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2013-03-25 10:39:11 PM  

theorellior: John Buck 41: Didn't Melissa Etheridge come out before Ellen as well?

She's nowhere near the safe, happy, nonthreatening "everygirl" persona that Ellen is.


Well...yeah. Didn't make that claim, though. Someone mentioned Elton John and I thought of her.
 
2013-03-25 10:39:44 PM  
Was it really because of Ellen? Or was it because people were shamed, mocked, and publicly humiliated until they were compelled to accept a lifestyle they didn't understand? Just asking.
 
2013-03-25 10:40:21 PM  
brantgoose:

I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals. Shudder. It must be a minority so universally loathed that even liberals make jokes about them with impunity. Appalachians? Lavians? Or maybe the Government is finally ready to admit that they've been selling people as snack food to the purple people eaters from Zeta ridiculous in the Gramschean Quadrant

If these things are cyclical then maybe we'll go back to hating the Irish.
 
2013-03-25 10:40:41 PM  
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2013-03-25 10:40:49 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And the reason America was ready to elect Barack Obama President?

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Shouldn't that be a picture of G W Bush instead?  A pic of McCain would have been acceptable too.
 
2013-03-25 10:41:20 PM  

whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists


Carnies
 
2013-03-25 10:41:54 PM  

coachwdb: [smhttp.14409.nexcesscdn.net image 640x350]


Thats the gayest thing I've seen..And I saw a guy suck a cock once.
 
2013-03-25 10:42:08 PM  

eepapapee: whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists

Carnies


The Dutch
 
2013-03-25 10:43:31 PM  

Jim_Callahan: revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.

Really?  Because I remember "I'm gay, but I'm going to continue as normal, not degenerate into an entire show about how I'm gay" -> "Hey, did I mention I was homosexual lately" every five minutes for a year -> I stop watching the show.

I mean, it probably was an important thing that no one cared and all it was was annoying us about something we didn't care about, but it's an indicator, not a driver.  Not feeling the Hero there, or much risk involved.  Having trendy personality stuff going on is pretty much your job as a talk show host.

//Regarding entertainment personalities as the primary role models for gay folk is insulting roughly on a level of regarding sports people as the primary role models for black people.  i.e. pretty damned insulting.  I assure you that gay people can actually contribute to society, too, I've seen it, there were plenty in my undergrad for engineering.


The article isn't saying what you're objecting to.
 
2013-03-25 10:43:52 PM  

whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists


Furries.

Then Otherkin
Then Turtlelovers.
 
2013-03-25 10:45:22 PM  
www.madameandme.com
 
2013-03-25 10:45:49 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Was it really because of Ellen? Or was it because people were shamed, mocked, and publicly humiliated until they were compelled to accept a lifestyle they didn't understand? Just asking.


Awww, poor baby. Show us exactly where your butt hurts.
 
2013-03-25 10:46:04 PM  
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2013-03-25 10:46:12 PM  

biatchqueen: whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists

Furries.

Then Otherkin
Then Turtlelovers.


Mets fans.
 
2013-03-25 10:46:41 PM  
www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2013-03-25 10:49:40 PM  
coachwdb

After chasing sunsets, one of life's simple jooooys
 
2013-03-25 10:49:57 PM  
Everyone knows it was because of Rob Halford
 
2013-03-25 10:50:29 PM  
It is because of ellen I was finally able to admit that I love the cock.
 
2013-03-25 10:50:37 PM  
More accepting?  Sure.  Accepted, absolutely not.  I could go on and on with sob stories, both my own and others, but the truth is, a lot of people really thrive on making life miserable for others and treating random folks like trash in the gutter.  Not all homosexuals live in the gay paradises you see on TV, most of us are not wealthy enough to "earn" the acceptance that celebrities have access to.  Not all of us have the means to move out of the towns and neighborhoods filled with prejudiced bigots, or the opportunities to change jobs just because of the uncomfortable work environment filled with offensive gay "jokes" and harassment concerning sexual orientation.
 
2013-03-25 10:51:13 PM  
She acts awfully juvenile for a,what, 55 year old woman. I loved her in that silly comedy series about a bookstore. As a talkshow host, not so much. She just seems fawning, a quality I abhor in anyone. Gay here....prefer homo myself.
 
2013-03-25 10:51:39 PM  

whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists


Transgendered folks. Especially the ones that have a hard time passing. I have a friend who is about to start hormone replacement therapy. She's terrified and relieved at the same time.

// When she told me the news, I answered back,"Tits or GTFO"
/// Massive LOLs
 
2013-03-25 10:52:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.

Indeed.  She was one of the first famous people who came out and kept their career.  I remember when it happened - I had been out for some time, and had dealt with some really heavy shiat because of it.  People liked Ellen, and when she came out, it demonstrated to middle America that someone they liked could be gay, and therefore it was okay to like gay folks.

Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation - but Ellen and Will & Grace (yeah, I know, but seriously) did the most good work for gay rights in popular culture.  For the first time, we were okay.

I'd love to meet Ellen.  Just to say thanks.


She had a lull immediately after coming out. Her sitcom only lasted another season and for a few years she was only in the spotlight as Anne Heche's girlfriend. Her talk show was a come-back. She was pretty much a has-been when that show started.
 
2013-03-25 10:54:38 PM  

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Now imagine them having butt sex...
 
2013-03-25 10:55:11 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: biatchqueen: whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists

Furries.

Then Otherkin
Then Turtlelovers.

Mets fans.


Representing Queens.
 
2013-03-25 10:55:12 PM  
It makes sense.  She'd always been herself before she told people and she's still herself now.

I'd rather listen to someone talk who just chills and goes with the flow while getting the point across.
 
2013-03-25 10:56:24 PM  

whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists


Nah, I think we resoundingly proved that pedophiles were the next group to be demonized, far beyond the ones who deserved it, to the point that parents worry that every man and all female teachers are pedophiles and the sex offender list is like a secret extra-judicial way to punish anyone we don't like and keep them from ever having a productive life again.

Zoophiles/bestialists are shaping up to be the next set. Wait until Florida passes a "Fido offender list" law.
 
2013-03-25 10:57:16 PM  
Chunky Pumpkinhead: Everyone knows it was because of Rob Halford

though he came out in '98 you'd be a fool to not spot his gayness right off the bat
 
2013-03-25 10:59:24 PM  
I just can't really imagine any situation where I would measurably care if someone else was gay or not.
 
2013-03-25 11:00:07 PM  
foxyshadis: Zoophiles/bestialists are shaping up to be the next set. Wait until Florida passes a "Fido offender list" law.

Florida only recently outlawed bestiality. Don't hold your breath for that list.
 
2013-03-25 11:02:45 PM  

coachwdb: [tomcruisetopgun.jpg]


Since you bring that up...

/you can ride my tail anytime
 
2013-03-25 11:02:51 PM  
How can you believe me when I told you that I loved you when you know I've been a lesbian all my life?
 
2013-03-25 11:02:57 PM  

hubiestubert: You mean America discovering the lesbians weren't man hating monsters who wanted to bathe in the blood of virgins and convert their daughters to their wicked ways was a positive influence?

I, for one, am shocked.

Here's the thing: you know what homosexuals want? To have a life. To find someone they want to be with. To have a decent career. To be with friends and family. Maybe raise a dog. Join an amateur league. Bake some pies. Laugh. Goof off. Maybe even raise some kids one day. Maybe not. They want the exact same things you want. Including occasionally going to some risque club for some naughty dancing and get silly with their friends. To even maybe attend their local church. Maybe even join Rotary. Wash their cars on Sunday. Walk the dogs maybe in the park. Smooch their sweeties and canoodle at the point. They want the same damn things as everyone else. The only difference is that some folks get themselves all in a tizzy because they are "different."

Ellen showed folks that lesbians weren't scary or domineering or plotting to take over the world. Cripes, look at her wardrobe, does THAT look like anyone even a quarter as intimidating as say Martha Stewart? She came out, and folks realized, "Hey, she's pretty normal, and kinda funny and self deprecating, and her girlfriend is cute, and they seem happy." And that's pretty much what homosexuals want: to be normal. Nothing more. No special rights. Nothing more than to be normal. Just live their lives, and maybe have some laughs and some drinks, and point at the shenanigans of some folks who they think are funny, and to pick up friends when they fall down, and cuddle up with their sweetie, or have some hot monkey lovin' in the afternoon, but just like everyone else.


Well said, sir, well said.
/I think we're done here.
//well, probably not
 
2013-03-25 11:05:34 PM  
The Dyke America Likes?

/Seriously, grow up.
 
2013-03-25 11:06:32 PM  

Propain_az: It is because of ellen I was finally able to admit that I love the cock.


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2013-03-25 11:06:40 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I think Neil Patrick Harris could also get some thanks, from a male perspective.

Ellen came out way before him but he's probably the first gay dude I can think of that came out and people basically said "who gives a shiat?  I like him."

Didn't hurt his career at all.  And that's the way it farking should be.


I'm a big fan of NPH, but by the time he came out, the country's attitudes were already shifting in favor of gay rights (if not gay marriage yet); when Ellen came out, there was a huge shiatstorm in the media, and the show lost ratings steadily after she came out.  It wasn't until five years later that she got back into the mainstream.  NPH on the other hand came out in the middle of a career resurgence (after the Harold & Kumar movies and HIMYM), and that if anything helped his career because of the widespread support.
 
2013-03-25 11:08:22 PM  

Tellingthem: eepapapee: whatshisname: brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals

Atheists

Carnies

The Dutch


Robots
 
2013-03-25 11:08:30 PM  
Oh bullshiat subtard. Some people are "accepting" because we aren't narrow minded bigots.
 
2013-03-25 11:09:21 PM  

No Such Agency: Benevolent Misanthrope:
Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation

Well of course not... without them forcing people to acknowledge gays really existed, it would be hard for anyone to "come out", let alone a celebrity.

Frankly, as a privileged straight guy with an anti-authoritarian streak, the story of Stonewall is one that I just LOVE: people viewed as a sad joke at best by society stood up and said "I will not be shiat on any more!".  And the world became a slightly better place for everyone, including me.


Stonewall was before my time, but as a sheltered religious right kid with an activist streak, seeing late 80s/early 90s groups like Act Up and Queer Nation with their very in-your-face style of activism resonated with me. Sure, everybody around me was insisting that being gay was some horrible affliction that shouldn't be spoken about above a whisper, but then I'd see people on the news who were refusing to go away and insisted that the rest of the population just deal with it.
 
2013-03-25 11:09:46 PM  

germ78: coachwdb: [tomcruisetopgun.jpg]

Since you bring that up...

/you can ride my tail anytime


Thank you for that, I hadn't seen it.
 
2013-03-25 11:12:50 PM  
I don't remember when Elton John became the Second Queen of England, but he deserves a little credit.
 
2013-03-25 11:13:08 PM  

Cream of Meat: Benevolent Misanthrope: revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.

Indeed.  She was one of the first famous people who came out and kept their career.  I remember when it happened - I had been out for some time, and had dealt with some really heavy shiat because of it.  People liked Ellen, and when she came out, it demonstrated to middle America that someone they liked could be gay, and therefore it was okay to like gay folks.

Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation - but Ellen and Will & Grace (yeah, I know, but seriously) did the most good work for gay rights in popular culture.  For the first time, we were okay.

I'd love to meet Ellen.  Just to say thanks.

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Yep, Amanda Bearse wins.  She's also at least just as funny as Ellen, and has an amazing sense of humor about the whole thing.
 
2013-03-25 11:14:39 PM  
Peter North FTW

(yes...look it up)
 
2013-03-25 11:15:19 PM  

taxandspend: TrojanRabbit: Benevolent Misanthrope: revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.

Indeed.  She was one of the first famous people who came out and kept their career.  I remember when it happened - I had been out for some time, and had dealt with some really heavy shiat because of it.  People liked Ellen, and when she came out, it demonstrated to middle America that someone they liked could be gay, and therefore it was okay to like gay folks.

Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation - but Ellen and Will & Grace (yeah, I know, but seriously) did the most good work for gay rights in popular culture.  For the first time, we were okay.

I'd love to meet Ellen.  Just to say thanks.

She had a lull immediately after coming out. Her sitcom only lasted another season and for a few years she was only in the spotlight as Anne Heche's girlfriend. Her talk show was a come-back. She was pretty much a has-been when that show started.

Nine! It was her hosting of the Emmy's right after 9/11 that really got the ball rolling again on her career, even after her second sitcom failed.


Also, everybody forgets now but her sitcom was on the downswing already when she came out, and the writing never really found its footing again after she came out. The writers didn't really know what to do as far as story lines involving an out primetime character and it stopped being funny.
 
2013-03-25 11:15:33 PM  
My big takeaway from this thread is the reminders of just how many successful openly gay and lesbian entertainers there were before Ellen.  And sadness at what could have been, for Freddie Mercury and Queen, if the world had been less hostile back in his time.
 
2013-03-25 11:18:48 PM  
I remember being amused by the shock some felt when she came out. I knew the minute I saw her she was gay. I knew by 14 my cute sister who always had guys chasing her was a lesbian. I could spot a gay man a mile away by 18 (whether you straight men realize it or not, you all do the quick up and down appraisal upon a first meeting - gay men do not) I have finely tuned gaydar. I knew Ellen was gay when she played a receptionist on a short-lived sitcom based out of a realty office way back when.

My sister had no dramatic coming out. Her loving family met her female friends and treated them graciously. We just kinda knew, and shrugged "Oh well, as long as she is happy". She didn't wake up one day and decide to be a lesbian. She is as God made her and we love her. If Ellen opens some minds and hearts through her awesome personality, right on!
 
2013-03-25 11:21:33 PM  

HotWingAgenda: My big takeaway from this thread is the reminders of just how many successful openly gay and lesbian entertainers there were before Ellen.  And sadness at what could have been, for Freddie Mercury and Queen, if the world had been less hostile back in his time.


For people in general, if AIDS (aka GRID) had been confronted more aggressively with federal research funds by Reagan.
 
2013-03-25 11:22:12 PM  
My vote goes for "AIDS."

At least, that seemed to be the turning point in my small corner of the world, from what I can remember. You really couldn't discuss one without the other for quite a while there. AIDS was a horrifying new thing, and it probably did a lot to humanize the gay community to those of us who had no connection to it otherwise. (I was a 10 year old kid living out in the desert in Utah. The endless parade of magazine photos depicting gay men dying of AIDS is about all I knew of them or their lifestyle, at the time.)

It also had a way of bringing homophobia out into the open, in a way that it could be looked at and discussed in a critical way. Stupidity like that can really only survive when nobody actually talks about it. I remember being horrified by the ugliness of what came spilling out of the mouths of people I otherwise respected.
 
2013-03-25 11:22:53 PM  
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2013-03-25 11:23:06 PM  
There are no hommasexshuls where I live and I am getting dern tired of hearing about them.  No news on CNN right now so all they talk about are the hommasexshuls.
Ellen's humor is puerile at best.
She looks like it too.
 
2013-03-25 11:26:24 PM  

foxyshadis: Zoophiles/bestialists are shaping up to be the next set. Wait until Florida passes a "Fido offender list" law.


Considering bestiality is a no-no in the bible (Exodus 22:19) and pretty much looked down upon by 99% of the population, I'm surprised alcohol was banned (then lifted) before bestiality was ever banned.
 
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