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(NPR)   The real reason Americans are more accepting of homosexuals? Ellen DeGeneres   (npr.org) divider line 173
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2013-03-25 07:18:08 PM
Ryan, I don't ramble anymore. Although I do like that song Ramblin' Man by the Allman Brothers. At first I thought they were the Almond Brothers, which is great, since I like nuts, except for filberts, which is odd because I love Dilbert, because when you spend all day in a cubicle, you just gotta dance!
 
2013-03-25 07:50:47 PM
She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.
 
2013-03-25 07:59:51 PM

revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.


Indeed.  She was one of the first famous people who came out and kept their career.  I remember when it happened - I had been out for some time, and had dealt with some really heavy shiat because of it.  People liked Ellen, and when she came out, it demonstrated to middle America that someone they liked could be gay, and therefore it was okay to like gay folks.

Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation - but Ellen and Will & Grace (yeah, I know, but seriously) did the most good work for gay rights in popular culture.  For the first time, we were okay.

I'd love to meet Ellen.  Just to say thanks.
 
2013-03-25 08:12:41 PM
Wrong!

The correct answer is Ray Gillette.
 
2013-03-25 09:01:39 PM
I think Neil Patrick Harris could also get some thanks, from a male perspective.

Ellen came out way before him but he's probably the first gay dude I can think of that came out and people basically said "who gives a shiat?  I like him."

Didn't hurt his career at all.  And that's the way it farking should be.
 
2013-03-25 09:04:56 PM

The_Sponge: Wrong!

The correct answer is Ray Gillette.


uh, phrasing?
 
2013-03-25 09:25:37 PM
And the fact that a lot of us would love to come home to someone who looks like Portia.
 
2013-03-25 09:44:21 PM
I didn't like Ellen before she was gay
 
2013-03-25 09:45:26 PM
Are Americans so farking naive* that even one person during the 60's and 70's could not have realized that entertainers like Liberace, Paul Lynde, Ceasar Romero were gay?

/I know...the answer to that is always a resounding YES.
 
2013-03-25 09:50:04 PM
Our local TV station wouldn't play Ellen's "Coming Out" episode from her TV show. Because the Weatherman (who was a big draw for the station) complained to management.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puppy_Episode
 
2013-03-25 10:03:06 PM

The_Sponge: Wrong!

The correct answer is Ray Gillette.


"And whatever my equivalent of sploosh is. Which I guess is just sploosh. With semen."
 
2013-03-25 10:06:58 PM
You mean America discovering the lesbians weren't man hating monsters who wanted to bathe in the blood of virgins and convert their daughters to their wicked ways was a positive influence?

I, for one, am shocked.

Here's the thing: you know what homosexuals want? To have a life. To find someone they want to be with. To have a decent career. To be with friends and family. Maybe raise a dog. Join an amateur league. Bake some pies. Laugh. Goof off. Maybe even raise some kids one day. Maybe not. They want the exact same things you want. Including occasionally going to some risque club for some naughty dancing and get silly with their friends. To even maybe attend their local church. Maybe even join Rotary. Wash their cars on Sunday. Walk the dogs maybe in the park. Smooch their sweeties and canoodle at the point. They want the same damn things as everyone else. The only difference is that some folks get themselves all in a tizzy because they are "different."

Ellen showed folks that lesbians weren't scary or domineering or plotting to take over the world. Cripes, look at her wardrobe, does THAT look like anyone even a quarter as intimidating as say Martha Stewart? She came out, and folks realized, "Hey, she's pretty normal, and kinda funny and self deprecating, and her girlfriend is cute, and they seem happy." And that's pretty much what homosexuals want: to be normal. Nothing more. No special rights. Nothing more than to be normal. Just live their lives, and maybe have some laughs and some drinks, and point at the shenanigans of some folks who they think are funny, and to pick up friends when they fall down, and cuddle up with their sweetie, or have some hot monkey lovin' in the afternoon, but just like everyone else.
 
2013-03-25 10:17:11 PM
And the reason America was ready to elect Barack Obama President?

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2013-03-25 10:18:47 PM
Rosie O'Donnell (pre-going politically psycho) was one of the first major celebrity lesbians. She'd laugh, make a joke, and throw a koosh ball at the camera.

Ellen filled the void when Rosie went off the deep end.

/Ellen needs to throw more koosh balls at the camera
 
2013-03-25 10:18:54 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.

Indeed.  She was one of the first famous people who came out and kept their career.  I remember when it happened - I had been out for some time, and had dealt with some really heavy shiat because of it.  People liked Ellen, and when she came out, it demonstrated to middle America that someone they liked could be gay, and therefore it was okay to like gay folks.

Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation - but Ellen and Will & Grace (yeah, I know, but seriously) did the most good work for gay rights in popular culture.  For the first time, we were okay.

I'd love to meet Ellen.  Just to say thanks.


I would probably give that show more credit than damn near anything. I would also put "queer eye" high on that list as well.
 
2013-03-25 10:19:13 PM
Just wait until America finds out that Brad Pitt is gay and that Angelina Jolie was nothing but a beard the entire time.
 
2013-03-25 10:19:31 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I think Neil Patrick Harris could also get some thanks, from a male perspective.

Ellen came out way before him but he's probably the first gay dude I can think of that came out and people basically said "who gives a shiat?  I like him."

Didn't hurt his career at all.  And that's the way it farking should be.


I still think of NPH as straight for some reason.
 
2013-03-25 10:19:50 PM
I seem to remember Elton John coming out long before then, and people still loved him and his music. He didn't really suffer any backlash from coming out. Then again, I was quite young, so maybe I wasn't aware.
 
2013-03-25 10:20:48 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Are Americans so farking naive* that even one person during the 60's and 70's could not have realized that entertainers like Liberace, Paul Lynde, Ceasar Romero were gay?


Had no idea.
 
2013-03-25 10:20:49 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.

Indeed.  She was one of the first famous people who came out and kept their career.  I remember when it happened - I had been out for some time, and had dealt with some really heavy shiat because of it.  People liked Ellen, and when she came out, it demonstrated to middle America that someone they liked could be gay, and therefore it was okay to like gay folks.

Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation - but Ellen and Will & Grace (yeah, I know, but seriously) did the most good work for gay rights in popular culture.  For the first time, we were okay.

I'd love to meet Ellen.  Just to say thanks.


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2013-03-25 10:22:59 PM
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2013-03-25 10:23:30 PM

Atomic Spunk: I seem to remember Elton John coming out long before then, and people still loved him and his music. He didn't really suffer any backlash from coming out. Then again, I was quite young, so maybe I wasn't aware.


Didn't Melissa Etheridge come out before Ellen as well?
 
2013-03-25 10:23:32 PM

FreetardoRivera: AdolfOliverPanties: I think Neil Patrick Harris could also get some thanks, from a male perspective.

Ellen came out way before him but he's probably the first gay dude I can think of that came out and people basically said "who gives a shiat?  I like him."

Didn't hurt his career at all.  And that's the way it farking should be.

I still think of NPH as straight for some reason.


Because the roles he plays are practically parodies of heterosexuality.
 
2013-03-25 10:24:19 PM

hubiestubert: Ellen showed folks that lesbians weren't scary or domineering or plotting to take over the world.


And could be as annoying as any straight girl.
 
2013-03-25 10:25:18 PM
bloviatingzeppelin.net
 
2013-03-25 10:25:22 PM
No love for Robin Bartlett, who played the lesbian sister on Mad About You?

/Secret crush!
 
2013-03-25 10:25:47 PM
She could have a better last name.
 
2013-03-25 10:25:52 PM
Huh, it didn't seem like a big deal wt the time, but I was only 14.
 
2013-03-25 10:25:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I didn't like Ellen before she was gay


This
 
2013-03-25 10:25:58 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Are Americans so farking naive* that even one person during the 60's and 70's could not have realized that entertainers like Liberace, Paul Lynde, Ceasar Romero were gay?


One of the more amusing segments of the movie "Good Night and Good Luck" was the interview Murrow had with Liberace where Murrow asked about "settling down and starting a family". I'm assuming David Strathairn played it very similarly to the clips on file, where Murrow was all like "yeah right" but had to play it straight to not shatter the illusions of Middle America.
 
2013-03-25 10:26:29 PM
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2013-03-25 10:26:45 PM
Ellen Degenerate.

//j
//k
 
2013-03-25 10:27:11 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope:
Not to minimize the brave people who were out pre-Stonewall, or before the Regan years, or even in my generation

Well of course not... without them forcing people to acknowledge gays really existed, it would be hard for anyone to "come out", let alone a celebrity.

Frankly, as a privileged straight guy with an anti-authoritarian streak, the story of Stonewall is one that I just LOVE: people viewed as a sad joke at best by society stood up and said "I will not be shiat on any more!".  And the world became a slightly better place for everyone, including me.
 
2013-03-25 10:27:27 PM

John Buck 41: Didn't Melissa Etheridge come out before Ellen as well?


She's nowhere near the safe, happy, nonthreatening "everygirl" persona that Ellen is.
 
2013-03-25 10:28:14 PM
I guess the article isn't referring to me... It's never mattered to me if someone was homosexual or not. The one exclusion to that is as it regards to a woman I was interested in. If she wasn't interested in guys, that mattered to me because I didn't want to chase after someone who wasn't interested in my gender. Ellen had absolutely nothing to do with that. I've never actually liked her very much... not that I disliked her, just that she was supposed to be a comedian and I didn't really find her all that funny. After she came out as being gay it seemed that's all she was about, which was even more boring than her comedy was.
 
2013-03-25 10:28:32 PM
Americans more accepting of homosexuals? Than who? shiate Muslims? Call me when gay marriage is legal in all fifty states and people stop trying to pray the gay away.
 
2013-03-25 10:31:01 PM
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2013-03-25 10:31:44 PM

jim32rr: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I didn't like Ellen before she was gay

This


That
 
2013-03-25 10:32:10 PM
Ellen is obnoxious. where I grew up there was gay people just like everywhere else. i never gave a shiat what consenting adults did with their privates.
 
2013-03-25 10:32:24 PM

revrendjim: She really did a good deed by putting herself out there. It took guts back then and I respect her for that. Now when someone comes out it's like "so?" but when she did it was still a big deal.


Really?  Because I remember "I'm gay, but I'm going to continue as normal, not degenerate into an entire show about how I'm gay" -> "Hey, did I mention I was homosexual lately" every five minutes for a year -> I stop watching the show.

I mean, it probably was an important thing that no one cared and all it was was annoying us about something we didn't care about, but it's an indicator, not a driver.  Not feeling the Hero there, or much risk involved.  Having trendy personality stuff going on is pretty much your job as a talk show host.

//Regarding entertainment personalities as the primary role models for gay folk is insulting roughly on a level of regarding sports people as the primary role models for black people.  i.e. pretty damned insulting.  I assure you that gay people can actually contribute to society, too, I've seen it, there were plenty in my undergrad for engineering.
 
2013-03-25 10:32:34 PM
Naw, you're just slow as a country to adopt progressive or new ideas.

Everything progressive or liberal or novel in America has to start at the bottom and bubble its way up through the bossy kindergarten kids who tell their parents what's right and wrong, the urban youth tribes, cartoonists, municipalities and counties, then progressive States, starting in Calfornia or New York or somewhere. Then it gets to the State legislature level and eventually the Republicans in Congress cave and start picking on the next minority on their list of hated minorities, or somebody makes a new kid's cartoon or toy and they go crazy abou commies and preverts making kid's cartoons or toys to corrupt young minds.

I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals. Shudder. It must be a minority so universally loathed that even liberals make jokes about them with impunity. Appalachians? Lavians? Or maybe the Government is finally ready to admit that they've been selling people as snack food to the purple people eaters from Zeta ridiculous in the Gramschean Quadrant.

Then we'll see real prejudice as the aliens start the long climb from driving cabs to being everyday people.

Yep. That's probably it. They're going to unleash the aliens on us like in the movie MIB IV.
 
2013-03-25 10:34:07 PM
Random sexually ambiguous post mentioning Melissa Ethernet so there.....
 
2013-03-25 10:34:20 PM

brantgoose: I hate to think, though, who's on that list after homosexuals


Atheists
 
2013-03-25 10:36:00 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Huh, it didn't seem like a big deal wt the time, but I was only 14.


I was 17 and from what I recall, the big deal wasn't so much that she came out but that she used her show as a vehicle for it (somewhat, wiki says she was on Oprah first talking about it) - and the biggest deal was really how the network treated it as 'adult' material with a warning before the episode and everything. It was pretty pathetic on their part, in my opinion.
 
2013-03-25 10:36:09 PM

brantgoose: Naw, you're just slow as a country to adopt progressive or new ideas.


Well yeah.  This place was founded by a bunch of people so uptight they got kicked out of England for fark's sake.  Takes a while to bounce back from something like that.
 
2013-03-25 10:36:20 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Are Americans so farking naive* that even one person during the 60's and 70's could not have realized that entertainers like Liberace, Paul Lynde, Ceasar Romero were gay?

/I know...the answer to that is always a resounding YES.


Well, it's more of the idea that while it was known, it was not openly discussed and the attitude of the media at the time was to not push the point.

People who didn't like it could just deny it since it was never officially stated.  It was this strange limbo they existed in, many people knew it, but they could never admit it.

It's kind of hard to understand now, in 2013, but in 1973 it was a lot different.
 
2013-03-25 10:36:29 PM

Atomic Spunk: I seem to remember Elton John coming out long before then, and people still loved him and his music. He didn't really suffer any backlash from coming out. Then again, I was quite young, so maybe I wasn't aware.


There's a weird dichotomy among the entertainment arts. Theater people are all assumed to be gay and promiscuous, no exceptions. Movie stars are expected to be as straight as an arrow. Musicians are allowed to be bisexual or just Hedonists (and thanks to Freddie Mercury, didn't even have to be a fairy). Stand-up comedy is still pretty masculine so straightness is still a plus, though Ellen and Margaret Cho kind of broke both down, whatever you think of their acts.
 
2013-03-25 10:36:46 PM

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SOOOO gay.
 
2013-03-25 10:37:16 PM

K3rmy: Just wait until America finds out that Brad Pitt is gay and that Angelina Jolie was nothing but a beard the entire time.


Keep the dream alive, straight dudes. Don't let it die. You should be so lucky that all of the great looking, sexy actors and musicians are gay. Not half. Bisexual, maybe. All politicians are bisexual and most actors. Musicians are just too stoned to remember.
 
2013-03-25 10:38:55 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I think Neil Patrick Harris could also get some thanks, from a male perspective.

Ellen came out way before him but he's probably the first gay dude I can think of that came out and people basically said "who gives a shiat?  I like him."

Didn't hurt his career at all.  And that's the way it farking should be.


Was that before or after heroic Gandalf was played by an openly gay man, and audiences loved him?

granted, Ellen still was there first.
 
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