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2013-03-26 02:53:05 AM  

GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself.    Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

How about...ONE gun?   Why would that not be enough?

Are you assuming that one gun is suited to every situation? Do you expect people to do hunting with 9mm hand guns? Protect their families with bolt-action rifles? Why should people be restricted by how many weapons they can own? To satisfy your irrational fears?


You're the one who has to invent some "what if" scenario that someone is going to attack you or your family, not me.  Hence the "need" for an arsenal.

I don't think you have even the slightest idea of how R-Complex that resounds as.
 
2013-03-26 02:54:02 AM  

HBK: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself.    Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

How about...ONE gun?   Why would that not be enough?

Are you assuming that one gun is suited to every situation? Do you expect people to do hunting with 9mm hand guns? Protect their families with bolt-action rifles? Why should people be restricted by how many weapons they can own? To satisfy your irrational fears?

He's probably never seen a gun, so he probably doesn't understand the differences between the use for a shotgun and the use for a bolt-action rifle.  They both shoot bullets, right?


Don't patronize me.
 
HBK
2013-03-26 02:54:41 AM  

whidbey: You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

1) prove it
2) prove it
3) prove it

I'll only except APA citations.

So you just flat out deny it's happening.

M'kay.

Oh look. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.


They're your points, it's up to you to prove them.
 
2013-03-26 02:56:04 AM  

whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself.    Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

How about...ONE gun?   Why would that not be enough?

Are you assuming that one gun is suited to every situation? Do you expect people to do hunting with 9mm hand guns? Protect their families with bolt-action rifles? Why should people be restricted by how many weapons they can own? To satisfy your irrational fears?

You're the one who has to invent some "what if" scenario that someone is going to attack you or your family, not me.  Hence the "need" for an arsenal.

I don't think you have even the slightest idea of how R-Complex that resounds as.


It's not a "what if" scenario... wait, are you honestly denying that home invasions, rapes, muggins, and assaults never happen? Haha, this is great.
 
2013-03-26 02:56:15 AM  

whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.


First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise
 
2013-03-26 02:57:25 AM  

GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

1) prove it
2) prove it
3) prove it

I'll only except APA citations.

So you just flat out deny it's happening.

M'kay.

Oh look. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.

If it's so apparent, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding examples. Come on, this should be easy.


Take a farking look around. Every few years another Sandy Hook happens, yet gun nuts keep insisting "oh no everything's FINE. "

You don't want to admit that the NRA is a powerful entity that's holding back societal progress.  You have a fear of law enforcement. And you don't want to admit that gun manufacturers carry too much weight in this country and use the 2nd Amendment to keep profiting off selling arms.

At least be honest..
 
HBK
2013-03-26 02:57:27 AM  

whidbey: Don't patronize me.


No need. You make yourself look foolish without my help. I was merely explaining your handicap to the other poster.
 
2013-03-26 02:59:04 AM  

whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy



The NRA is the reason we still have any individual right to own guns in this country. You see that as bad, I see it as good, we don't live in your crime and violence free 21st century progressive utopia yet, and we won't get there because you and millions of others focus on the method of violence and not the cause. When we get there your derp-ass opinions might have some merit, but at this rate none of us here will live that long.
 
2013-03-26 02:59:18 AM  

Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise


No I don't.  They're opinions.  Opinions you clearly don't want to deal with.
 
2013-03-26 03:00:56 AM  

HBK: whidbey: Don't patronize me.

No need. You make yourself look foolish without my help. I was merely explaining your handicap to the other poster.


I don't need to see a gun to know what it is capable of.  Sorry you need to resort to personal attacks because someone doesn't share the zeal for gun ownership that you do.
 
2013-03-26 03:03:43 AM  

whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

1) prove it
2) prove it
3) prove it

I'll only except APA citations.

So you just flat out deny it's happening.

M'kay.

Oh look. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.

If it's so apparent, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding examples. Come on, this should be easy.

Take a farking look around. Every few years another Sandy Hook happens, yet gun nuts keep insisting "oh no everything's FINE. "

You don't want to admit that the NRA is a powerful entity that's holding back societal progress.  You have a fear of law enforcement. And you don't want to admit that gun manufacturers carry too much weight in this country and use the 2nd Amendment to keep profiting off selling arms.

At least be honest..


Gun deaths have been doing down for years, and mass shootings are a statistical anomaly. It would take over a decade for mass shooting to kill as many people as pools do (At the current trend at least). As for Law Enforcement? I'm not afraid of them, I don't even have a criminal record, not even a speeding ticket.

But honestly, this is just you deflecting so you don't have to provide any examples. It's okay, no ones going to hate you if you say "I don't have any"
 
2013-03-26 03:04:51 AM  
GUTSU:
Gun deaths have been doing down for years, and mass shootings are a statistical anomaly. It would take over a decade for mass shooting to kill as many people as pools do (At the current trend at least). As for Law Enforcement? I'm not afraid of them, I don't even have a criminal record, not even a speeding ticket.

But honestly, this is just you deflecting so you don't have to provide any examples. It's okay, no ones going to hate you if you say "I don't have any"


Pools in a single year, that is.
 
2013-03-26 03:05:40 AM  

whidbey: Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise

No I don't.  They're opinions.  Opinions you clearly don't want to deal with.


Then explain to me why am I under any obligation to address any of your subjective opinions. You're not even asking questions to be answered. You're simply stating whatever you think the reality is and expecting me to "answer" them. You're not even making sense. Hence my original comment: You're totally off the rails in this thread.

lol
 
HBK
2013-03-26 03:06:44 AM  

whidbey: Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely Elected legislators are responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
- Congratulations- You've obviously never been robbed/burglarized. Therefore your understanding of the prevalence of crime is myopic at best. As someone who has been burglarized, my view is different--and  better informed-- than yours.
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

- What do you think is the definition of "conflict of interest?" Where's the conflict? Domestic or international black markets? How do you think further regulation would affect either black market?

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise

No I don't.  They're opinions.  Opinions you clearly don't want to deal with.


I usually ignore uninformed posters, but you were begging for answers regarding your "opinions."
 
2013-03-26 03:07:26 AM  

Frank N Stein: You're totally off the rails in this thread.

lol



That's his comfort zone.
 
HBK
2013-03-26 03:08:26 AM  

whidbey: HBK: whidbey: Don't patronize me.

No need. You make yourself look foolish without my help. I was merely explaining your handicap to the other poster.

I don't need to see a gun to know what it is capable of.  Sorry you need to resort to personal attacks because someone doesn't share the zeal for gun ownership that you do.


Where was the personal attack? You admit that you have limited knowledge of firearms? That was the only claim I made in that post.
 
2013-03-26 03:12:01 AM  

GUTSU: You don't want to admit that the NRA is a powerful entity that's holding back societal progress.  You have a fear of law enforcement. And you don't want to admit that gun manufacturers carry too much weight in this country and use the 2nd Amendment to keep profiting off selling arms.

At least be honest..

Gun deaths have been doing down for years, and mass shootings are a statistical anomaly.


This is not a numbers game. If a Sandy Hook keeps happening every few years, there is a huge problem with the existing gun laws.

It would take over a decade for mass shooting to kill as many people as pools do (At the current trend at least). As for Law Enforcement? I'm not afraid of them, I don't even have a criminal record, not even a speeding ticket.

Then I would assume you would have no problem letting the police do the job of solving crimes, not you, or some other armed citizen's group.

But honestly, this is just you deflecting so you don't have to provide any examples. It's okay, no ones going to hate you if you say "I don't have any"

I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market


Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,
 
2013-03-26 03:14:14 AM  
Huh, was gonna log in through my PC this morning to mark Pedro here as a gun-nut/troll, but i see he's already marked as one. go figure.
 
HBK
2013-03-26 03:14:53 AM  

whidbey: I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,


Making up "points" that you perceive as the truth and asking people to answer them without providing any basis for your points is dishonest, intellectually lazy, and petulant.
 
2013-03-26 03:15:58 AM  

Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise

No I don't.  They're opinions.  Opinions you clearly don't want to deal with.

Then explain to me why am I under any obligation to address any of your subjective opinions. You're not even asking questions to be answered. You're simply stating whatever you think the reality is and expecting me to "answer" them. You're not even making sense. Hence my original comment: You're totally off the rails in this thread.

lol


Actually, failing to address any of those points just tells me how much you're unwilling to question our gun culture, or what keeps it in place.
 
2013-03-26 03:16:56 AM  

HBK: whidbey: I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,

Making up "points" that you perceive as the truth and asking people to answer them without providing any basis for your points is dishonest, intellectually lazy, and petulant.


I made nothing up.  Those 3 points are the elephants in the room here.
 
2013-03-26 03:18:30 AM  

HBK: You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely Elected legislators are responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
- Congratulations- You've obviously never been robbed/burglarized. Therefore your understanding of the prevalence of crime is myopic at best. As someone who has been burglarized, my view is different--and  better informed-- than yours.
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.
- What do you think is the definition of "conflict of interest?" Where's the conflict? Domestic or international black markets? How do you think further regulation would affect either black market?

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise

No I don't.  They're opinions.  Opinions you clearly don't want to deal with.

I usually ignore uninformed posters, but you were begging for answers regarding your "opinions."


Wow, another poster who's that much in the pocket of the NRA that he can't admit the kind of power they wield over lawmakers, per the 2nd Amendment fear factor.

Amazing.
 
HBK
2013-03-26 03:18:35 AM  

whidbey: HBK: whidbey: I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,

Making up "points" that you perceive as the truth and asking people to answer them without providing any basis for your points is dishonest, intellectually lazy, and petulant.

I made nothing up.  Those 3 points are the elephants in the room here.


Then why are you the only person in this thread making those arguments?
 
2013-03-26 03:20:24 AM  

HBK: whidbey: HBK: whidbey: I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,

Making up "points" that you perceive as the truth and asking people to answer them without providing any basis for your points is dishonest, intellectually lazy, and petulant.

I made nothing up.  Those 3 points are the elephants in the room here.

Then why are you the only person in this thread making those arguments?


Because no one else is?  

How about actually addressing them? Without making defensive patronizing personal attacks against the messenger? Is this even possible?
 
2013-03-26 03:21:24 AM  

whidbey: Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: whidbey: Frank N Stein: Whidbey, you're going off the rails here.

This is also not an argument.

You need to address the following:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

First you have to supply evidence for your claims before I can accept the premise

No I don't.  They're opinions.  Opinions you clearly don't want to deal with.

Then explain to me why am I under any obligation to address any of your subjective opinions. You're not even asking questions to be answered. You're simply stating whatever you think the reality is and expecting me to "answer" them. You're not even making sense. Hence my original comment: You're totally off the rails in this thread.

lol

Actually, failing to address any of those points just tells me how much you're unwilling to question our gun culture, or what keeps it in place.


I answered all three of your points.  Ignoring my response doesn't mean that there are no responses.
 
2013-03-26 03:21:28 AM  
whidbey:

Then I would assume you would have no problem letting the police do the job of solving crimes, not you, or some other armed citizen's group.

I never said I was going to solve any crimes, nor do I have a problem with the police doing their job. Incidentally they aren't obligated to protect individuals. If someone breaks into my house, I'm not going to wait the 30 minutes for the cops to arrive.

But honestly, this is just you deflecting so you don't have to provide any examples. It's okay, no ones going to hate you if you say "I don't have any"

I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,


You're making the claims, the burden of proof is on you my friend. If you believe so strongly that you are correct, you can prove your points.

This is not a numbers game. If a Sandy Hook keeps happening every few years, there is a huge problem with the existing gun laws.

So more kids dying in pools each year isn't important? Why aren't you crusading to ban inflatable/above ground/below ground pools?
 
2013-03-26 03:22:54 AM  

whidbey: Actually, failing to address any of those points just tells me how much you're unwilling to question our gun culture, or what keeps it in place.


I own a gun because I live in Chicago and I don't want to get shot in the head if someone were to break into my apartment while I'm home.

Is that an acceptable reason for my personal contribution on keeping the gun culture in its place?
 
2013-03-26 03:23:20 AM  

GUTSU: Why aren't you crusading to ban inflatable/above ground/below ground pools?



More like why are you so unwilling to debate the actual topic without resorting to comparative fallacies?
 
2013-03-26 03:23:34 AM  
The NRA suppressed research on gun violence.

Please, gun fellators, descant, if you will, on the benefits of suppressing statistical research.
 
HBK
2013-03-26 03:25:13 AM  

whidbey: HBK: whidbey: HBK: whidbey: I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,

Making up "points" that you perceive as the truth and asking people to answer them without providing any basis for your points is dishonest, intellectually lazy, and petulant.

I made nothing up.  Those 3 points are the elephants in the room here.

Then why are you the only person in this thread making those arguments?

Because no one else is?  

How about actually addressing them? Without making defensive patronizing personal attacks against the messenger? Is this even possible?


Well when you make an argument, the onus is on you to prove it. The onus is not on others to disprove it. When you can't understand this basic concept of rhetoric--and when you try to make arguments regarding topics of which you have little understanding--people are going to mock you for your lousy arguments and your arrogance.
 
2013-03-26 03:25:36 AM  

Frank N Stein: whidbey: Actually, failing to address any of those points just tells me how much you're unwilling to question our gun culture, or what keeps it in place.

I own a gun because I live in Chicago and I don't want to get shot in the head if someone were to break into my apartment while I'm home.

Is that an acceptable reason for my personal contribution on keeping the gun culture in its place?


I don't mind if you have a gun for protection.

I do mind if you support the NRA.  And when I asked you to address the grievances I have for that organization, your response is to claim such grievances don't exist.
 
2013-03-26 03:26:06 AM  

whidbey: GUTSU: Why aren't you crusading to ban inflatable/above ground/below ground pools?


More like why are you so unwilling to debate the actual topic without resorting to comparative fallacies?


What's that? More deflecting? More unwillingness to provide proof for his opinions? Are you even trying?
 
2013-03-26 03:26:28 AM  

James F. Campbell: The NRA suppressed research on gun violence.

Please, gun fellators, descant, if you will, on the benefits of suppressing statistical research.


You seem to feel strongly on the subject. Why don't you go door to door and convince gun owners to hand 'em over?
 
2013-03-26 03:27:48 AM  

whidbey: I do mind if you support the NRA. And when I asked you to address the grievances I have for that organization, your response is to claim such grievances don't exist.


Why do you expect me to answer your grievances towards the NRA? I'm not even a member.

Take your shiat up with the NRA.
 
2013-03-26 03:31:32 AM  

HBK: whidbey: HBK: whidbey: HBK: whidbey: I gave you 3 examples:

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy
2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country
3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

Address the points. Saying "nuh uh that shiat doesn't happen" is totally dishonest.,

Making up "points" that you perceive as the truth and asking people to answer them without providing any basis for your points is dishonest, intellectually lazy, and petulant.

I made nothing up.  Those 3 points are the elephants in the room here.

Then why are you the only person in this thread making those arguments?

Because no one else is?  

How about actually addressing them? Without making defensive patronizing personal attacks against the messenger? Is this even possible?

Well when you make an argument, the onus is on you to prove it. The onus is not on others to disprove it. When you can't understand this basic concept of rhetoric--and when you try to make arguments regarding topics of which you have little understanding--people are going to mock you for your lousy arguments and your arrogance.


Um, no.

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy

True or false  ?

2.  The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country


True or false ?

3.  Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

You really are going to make the argument that the US is NOT the world's biggest weapons manufacturer?  You really want me to Google this?

Also, bullying me does not negate anything I've stated here.
 
2013-03-26 03:32:54 AM  

Frank N Stein: whidbey: I do mind if you support the NRA. And when I asked you to address the grievances I have for that organization, your response is to claim such grievances don't exist.

Why do you expect me to answer your grievances towards the NRA? I'm not even a member.

Take your shiat up with the NRA.


What a totally chickenshiat response.  Just saying.

Hey, I've been more than patient in getting some honest responses.   Not going to happen, I guess.
 
2013-03-26 03:34:26 AM  

GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: Why aren't you crusading to ban inflatable/above ground/below ground pools?


More like why are you so unwilling to debate the actual topic without resorting to comparative fallacies?

What's that? More deflecting? More unwillingness to provide proof for his opinions? Are you even trying?


I haven't deflected anything.

I've yet to get an honest response out of 3 serious gun advocates here.  Nothing but personal attacks and projection.  What a huge surprise.
 
2013-03-26 03:36:50 AM  

James F. Campbell: The NRA suppressed research on gun violence.

Please, gun fellators, descant, if you will, on the benefits of suppressing statistical research.



Yeah why would they do that after Kellermann-like studies. We should surely publicly fund research where the researchers aren't required to release their data and disclose their methodology. Especially on these hot topics!
 
HBK
2013-03-26 03:38:38 AM  

whidbey: Um, no.

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy

True or false ?

2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country

True or false ?

3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

You really are going to make the argument that the US is NOT the world's biggest weapons manufacturer? You really want me to Google this?

Also, bullying me does not negate anything I've stated here.


I see. Not only are you ignorant about guns, you're also ignorant about basic advocacy.
 
2013-03-26 03:44:12 AM  

whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: Why aren't you crusading to ban inflatable/above ground/below ground pools?


More like why are you so unwilling to debate the actual topic without resorting to comparative fallacies?

What's that? More deflecting? More unwillingness to provide proof for his opinions? Are you even trying?

I haven't deflected anything.

I've yet to get an honest response out of 3 serious gun advocates here.  Nothing but personal attacks and projection.  What a huge surprise.


Haha, you're rich Whiddy!  I've just realized that you have to be a troll, no one could honestly think the equivalent of "POTATOS ARE BEST FOOD, TRUE OR FALSE" would get a serious answer. You tricked me, Frank N Stein, HBK, all of us into thinking you were that utterly moronic. I know you'll claim this as a "victory" just to keep up the facade, a troll of such magnitude would try and save some face after being outed after all. But nether the less, bravo! You did a bang-up job of being an imbecile incapable of proving a single thing you said!
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2013-03-26 03:46:28 AM  

Giltric: dave2198: pedrop357: dave2198: Giltric: LordJiro: pedrop357: LordJiro: pedrop357: JolobinSmokin: 
So can I have an RPG?

Yes. Destructive device as per the NFA. there is a 200$ tax stamp and background check needed per round and for the launcher though. You also need a certified explosives storage bunker.


Wat! That's an outrage! I shouldn't have to put up with gubment restrictions on my gawd-given right as an 'murican to bear arms!
 
2013-03-26 03:51:28 AM  

James F. Campbell: The NRA suppressed research on gun violence.

Please, gun fellators, descant, if you will, on the benefits of suppressing statistical research.


While suppressing gun research wasn't a good idea, i'd bet even money that msnbc is leaving out why the NRA and many elected officials wanted to do so in the first place. The studies were so fraught with methodological errors the original authors have been panned in peer review and the Kellerman study ratio has been changed at least 2-3 times (drastically so). The full data set wasn't even made available until many, many years later.

Banning the research altogether was an overreaction, but what was their was so laughably shoddy, yet people still believed it, that it never should have seen the light of day.
 
2013-03-26 03:54:40 AM  

muck1969: Giltric: dave2198: pedrop357: dave2198: Giltric: LordJiro: pedrop357: LordJiro: pedrop357: JolobinSmokin: 
So can I have an RPG?

Yes. Destructive device as per the NFA. there is a 200$ tax stamp and background check needed per round and for the launcher though. You also need a certified explosives storage bunker.

Wat! That's an outrage! I shouldn't have to put up with gubment restrictions on my gawd-given right as an 'murican to bear arms!


Just to let you know, you're profile is inaccurate. .50 cal rifles are perfectly legal to own and use in most places without any type of registration or tax. Anything above .50 caliber is regulated as a restricted device, and some states regulate it, but it's just a quick NICS check and a hefty pile of money to procure one.
 
2013-03-26 04:01:33 AM  

redmid17: Banning the research altogether was an overreaction, but what was there was so laughably shoddy, yet people still believed it, that it never should have seen the light of day.


People on fark still occasionally cite 43:1 as fact, even though Kellermann himself backed waaaaaay off that claim. But here we are with people like James F. Campbell wondering why the NRA opposed similar publicly-funded "research".
 
2013-03-26 04:05:13 AM  
We've been over this in the Michael Moore thread last night, gun control does not work. Why SHOULDN'T the NRA flex nuts right in the faces of parents who lost a child to a rampaging second amendment devotee? Remember, some slave owner who's idea of a weapon of mass destruction was a cannonball once said those who would trade essential liberty for short lived freedom deserve neither, so wtf guys.
 
2013-03-26 04:05:29 AM  

muck1969: Giltric: dave2198: pedrop357: dave2198: Giltric: LordJiro: pedrop357: LordJiro: pedrop357: JolobinSmokin:
So can I have an RPG?

Yes. Destructive device as per the NFA. there is a 200$ tax stamp and background check needed per round and for the launcher though. You also need a certified explosives storage bunker.

Wat! That's an outrage! I shouldn't have to put up with gubment restrictions on my gawd-given right as an 'murican to bear arms!


This always comes to mind when people say that:
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2013-03-26 04:18:41 AM  

HBK: whidbey: Um, no.

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy

True or false ?

2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country

True or false ?

3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market

You really are going to make the argument that the US is NOT the world's biggest weapons manufacturer? You really want me to Google this?

Also, bullying me does not negate anything I've stated here.

I see. Not only are you ignorant about guns, you're also ignorant about basic advocacy.


Um.,  this is the 3rd or 4th time you've refused to address the points?  I lose count.
 
2013-03-26 04:19:28 AM  
I've had it!

We need to pass a law to keep these rifles from associating, *especially* on the national level.
 
2013-03-26 04:19:56 AM  

GUTSU: Haha, you're rich Whiddy!


*plonk*
 
2013-03-26 04:24:19 AM  

whidbey: The need for home protection every product marketed by the advertising industry is seriously romanticized in this country


Choosy mothers choose Axe Body Spray.
 
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