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(Newsweek)   Nerds, start your boners: Game of Thrones season 3 is even better than the first two seasons   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 29
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2013-03-25 05:51:18 PM  
4 votes:
Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.
2013-03-25 09:28:41 PM  
3 votes:
2013-03-26 02:10:57 PM  
2 votes:

Zoophagous: Book spoiler-ish....

I am most intrigued by Bran's story line. The other plots seem to have an obvious resolution to them, not Bran's. I suspect bran's special ability may end up intertwined with Dany's dragons.

Oh and my money is on Dany and Jon Snow being married at the end of the books. Yes I know what happened to Jon in Dance With Dragons. But as we have seen that hasn't prevent other characters from continuing in the story. Just makes sense to me, House Stark and House Targerain (sp?) together on the Iron Throne. Plus Jon and Dany seem to be very similar and the most noble, likable characters for me.


Arya is going to end up as a vengeance driven ninja riding around on a half crazed direwolf the size of a horse. Which sounds pretty damn awesome when you think about it.
2013-03-26 09:09:18 AM  
2 votes:

DerAppie: Challenge: pick the 8 most important people in the book and try to explain what they are doing and why they are doing it.


FTFY.  You don't even need to go that far.

SoIaF's most distinctive characteristic is its own undoing; it suffers from waaaaay too much parity (or more accurately, inaction).  It's not the number of characters that cripple it so much as lack of a single meaningful one.  Who's the most important character?  Is it Tyrion?  His "victory" is mostly treading water in a cesspool without drowning or getting overwhelmed by the stench.  Slapping the King may have been emotionally satisfying but it doesn't bring Westeros so much as an inch closer to political stability.  Is it Dany?  She's not even in Westeros.  Is it Jon Snow?  He finally started getting desperate in DoD but he was summarily given GRRM's ol' "this is what happens to sympathetic characters if they get proactive" treatment.  Is it the Stark children?  They've been so excruciatingly passive that even by the end of the fifth book I'd argue the late Ned is still more relevant than all of them combined.  Anyone else?  The reward for playing is getting killed off if you upset GRRM's carefully cultivated balance of power.  After four thousand pages, there's yet to be any sort of victory by anyone that can't be completely undone a couple hundred pages later (the most plausible explanation for why Dany is still alive is her utter irrelevance to Westeros).  Any crypto-bastard that bites it just gets replaced by another crypto-bastard.  Some real-life badass like the aforementioned Vlad, or Hannibal or Subutai, would have a goddamn meteorite snuff him out in a smoking crater of deus ex machina if GRRM couldn't find some other way of killing off the nuisance.  It's like GRRM is severely allergic to closure or something.

It seems inevitable that any doorstop fantasy will be compared to the ultimate predecessor, but while LotR was very much a team effort it had a clear-cut protagonist.  The story got plodding at times but not only did it finish (in record time compared to SoIaF I might add), Frodo never lost his forward momentum for more than a few relatively brief moments.  The journey transformed him from a warm-hearted trust fund baby to a wallowing PTSD wreck, but that was the sacrifice he made to reach the end.
2013-03-26 07:36:14 AM  
2 votes:

FuManchu7: I always thought the Starks were there to show what happens when you try to apply honor to politics, they just get ran over. I saw it as a parallel to why modern politicians are all scumbags.


I've maintained that Vlad the Impaler would've been TRW'ed by GRRM halfway into the first book out of spite, which goes to show that GRRM is more "realistic" than. . . uh. . . reality?

Sure Vlad was eventually assassinated (three decades after his first reign), but he was given an epic shiat hand from the word go and still went a LOT farther IRL than any Stark in Westeros.  He took on the hostile incumbent nobility (sound familiar?) and survived exile (sound familiar?), betrayal (sound familiar?) and invasion (sound effin' familiar yet?). . . oh yeah, all while holding off the VASTLY stronger Ottoman Empire from his backwater kingdom (oh wait shiat not even the Starks had to deal with that).  He even ruled as King for a few years -- how's that for winning a "Game of Thrones"?  His name was subjected to such an intense and sustained smear campaign that it's associated with fictional horror to this day.  His enemies loathed him.

The moral of the story is that the Starks don't lose because they're honorable; they lose because they're dumb -- and what grinds my gears is that GRRM doesn't really make a strong distinction between the two.  That's what "edgy" means these days.  GRRM's on the same wavelength as Spaceballs here.  Vlad was ruthless but he was also an educated populist who risked and eventually lost his life protecting his kingdom from a political situation so hostile it'd made GRRM cream his pants.  Second, unlike SoIaF, reality does in fact resolve.  Vlad did not spend his adulthood touring the countryside; when he returned from exile he opened an epic can of wupass on the boyars.  Joffrey wouldn't have survived Vlad's wrath any longer than the time it would've taken him to cross the room and put a sword through his head.  And somehow Tyrion is cool because he slapped the King?
2013-03-25 10:27:59 PM  
2 votes:

Techhell: Old Man Winter: exick: Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.

What he said.

Seriously? Huh. Book 3 is where I stopped reading the series since it started to pull a Wheel of Time. "We've had two books to create a large group of primary characters, but for this book we're going to focus on this whole other group of secondary characters! Woohoo!" Sure, it was well written and had some great scenes, but I dropped the WoT for the same reason - book after book where new character after new character is introduced while old characters and main characters were pushed aside. Also didn't help that there was a what, 5 year lag between books 3 and 4? Has book 5 come out yet? *does a quick Wiki search, finds that yes indeed book 5 came out... 6 years after book 4.*

/Once the series is done, I'll pick it up again and read it start to finish.


Then you should read the Malazan Book of the Fallen series.  10 excellent books(same size as WoT or ASoIaF) in about a decade.  Series done, complete.
2013-03-25 10:11:36 PM  
2 votes:
Do they give Danyres more reasons to get naked?
2013-03-25 09:59:43 PM  
2 votes:
Looking forward to it.

I preferred Feast of Crows myself. The "And then they break" story did it for me.

"The war of the Ninepenny Kings?" asked Hyle Hunt.
"So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war though. That it was."
2013-03-25 06:05:17 PM  
2 votes:

exick: Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.


What he said.
2013-03-26 03:23:03 PM  
1 votes:

bhcompy: meyerkev: dragonchild: bhcompy: She's very close to being a Robert Jordan female at this point.

I think I kind of get your point but can you elaborate?  The metaphor doesn't work for me because I avoided WoT due to its infamy, and the infamy is rather vague beyond sell-out rambling after the first few books.

Basically, in Books 5-11, you can skip reading any female characters who existed in earlier books and miss nothing.

Rand always is doing something.  Mat's usually being awesome comic relief.  Perrin at least has a story (though skip books 8-11).  It's slow and plodding, but it either advances the story or is Mat being awesome (or is as mentioned, Perrin).

And starting about book 5 or so, females do nothing.  The White Tower storyline takes too long (Starts in either 3 or 4, ends in Book farking 11), Elayne and Nynaeve get sent off on a sidequest and stay there for like 4 books, and then Nynaeve disappears (having a moment of awesome in Book 9 with Rand) and Elayne is off on another sidequest that takes way too long.

/Say what you will about Sanderson, he resolved the stupid sidequests, and paid off most of the big reveals quite well.

Yea, basically this.  Plus lots of repetitive menial tasks(justifiable for Arya given what she's doing, but still...).  We don't need to see Arya become a woman day by day, we need a montage.  And Syrio lives.


i would suggest that while Sanderson made Matt even funnier then Jordan, the resolution of those storylines would have come when they did, Sanderson or not. Books 12/13/14 remember were originally supposed to be one book (because Jordan realized he didn;t have time to bust out 2 or 3 more). So he left the notes and left the epilogue.

Sanderson didn't hurt obviously, yet IMO you can;t give credit to Sanderson for saying "Well, I am tired of this crap and galldarnitall i will resolve these storylines whether anyone likes it or not". Jordan was getting there.

YMMV on whether it should have taaken him that long to get there though of course.

/personally think books 7-8 could have been one book
//11-13 are nothing but plot point resolutions
///14, the finale, is awesome
2013-03-26 02:57:28 PM  
1 votes:

Gandalf_is_dead: I am looking for more worthwhile fantasy to take a peek at, any recommendations would be appreciated...


check out joe abercrombie
2013-03-26 02:28:32 PM  
1 votes:

Zoophagous: Oh and my money is on Dany and Jon Snow being married at the end of the books. Yes I know what happened to Jon in Dance With Dragons.


I think poor circulation runs in Jon's family. Dany's not going to care for his cold hands.
2013-03-26 01:26:08 PM  
1 votes:
Mrs BrianGriffin has a masters in medieval studies and devours books about the politics of that era and she tells me that this series (she has only watched the series, but not read the books) is far and away the most accurate depiction of what it was like, politically and life in general, back then. I don't know if that was Martin's intent or not, but the overall grim future for just about everyone, the need to constantly reposition yourself based on power changing hands so abruptly was commonplace. Alliances collapsed overnight all the time, power shifts were frequently dictated by brutality and loyalty was almost non-existent unless one was confident that the person you aligned yourself to would stay in power. And that was all just for those of noble birth...if you were a commoner, you simply were farked, period. If there is an overriding theme to the books (admittedly, I have only read 1-3 so far) it's that no one is ever "safe" in the same way that we interpret the word "safe." Personally, I love the series because it is unlike anything else I have ever seen, on TV or in cinema. Every episode, at best, contains about 3-5 minutes when the listener can somewhat relax, otherwise the entire hour is spent dreading what might happen to a character one cares about. Another thing about the series is how the majority of the characters are so damn complex. With a few exceptions, e.g. Joffrey, even wholly unsympathetic ones, e.g. Cersei, have moments when one feels pity for them. THAT is great writing, IMO.

I feel damn lucky to have lived in an era when I could see works like this one and LOTR come to fruition on the screen. I still cringe at previous attempts at fantasy through the years, such as the excruciatingly horrid takes on The Earthsea series, the Chronicles of Prydain (Disney's The Black Cauldron which was so utterly full of fail compared to the book), and others. I'll take what I can get if it continues to be of this caliber and not be bothered by a handful of nits to be picked.

/YMMV, of course.
2013-03-26 11:51:26 AM  
1 votes:
Why is a story that you can predict and characters that you completely understand desirable in a story? Why is a large cast of characters with conflicting goals, abilities and influences undesirable? I'm not goign to argu that A Song of Ice and Fire is the best series ever or anything, it has serious issues, but all the criticisms against it seem to assume freely that the books would be better if they followed some unwritten rulebook that woulds make the story unremarkable from any other fantasy series.

Characters can change, protagonists can come and go. The situation in Westeros is complete chaos and fortunes change from day to day. That's the nature of the books and to take that way would change the whole story. It seems that people are just upset because they need to choose how they feel about the characters and not be handed a clear protagonist to root for and a clear evil for the protagonist to vanquish.

Like I said the series isn't the best but it's rare when a book makes me feel guilty for liking a character like I did after we got to see more of Jamie Lannister. I'll keep reading.
2013-03-26 10:06:34 AM  
1 votes:
More  Emilia Clarke naked. Make it happen.
2013-03-26 08:33:39 AM  
1 votes:

mikefinch: Besides -- to spoil the story it would have to be going somewhere.


Very much this. I read the first book and I liked it, the second I liked because it still had that "new book series" feeling to it, the third was fine (stop introducing characters only to kill them off already, and we do not need to know the motivation of every single secondary character of you have a 100 of them), book 4 sucked. A lot of people are running around doing nothing, the only people who have a clear goal (beyond "go there, kill that") get 50 pages between them and then we hear that if we want to hear more about the actually interesting people we need to wait years for the next book? No way, screw you GRRM. I am done with your series.

Challenge: pick the 8 most important people in the book and try to explain what they are doing and why they are doing it. For bonus points you get to explain what steps they have taken to reach their ultimate goal.

I'll give you a hint on the last part: wandering about doing nothing very much for a few hundred pages and maybe go blind because they drank some drugged milk (apart from Jon Snow and Daenerys the only person who actually does something interesting yet one of the persons we hear least about).
2013-03-26 08:04:24 AM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: Father_Jack: Egoy3k: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't season 3 only the first half of Storm of Swords? Depending on where the leave it off it could be an excellent season or completely terrible but leading up to a season 4 that is concentrated awesome.

i would predict the seasons will end with respective weddings.

Yeah if that is how season 4 ends then ends book sales will jump dramatically.


although, the Wall^s events at the end of SoS are also pretty good place to stop at.

i just wish snow had a better haircut.

and Robb and Theon's northern English accents make me wet. And im not even a woman nor gay.
2013-03-26 06:59:56 AM  
1 votes:
MEH

I'm edgy because I kill off main characters.

Only thing I like about this show is the ample amounts of boobage.
2013-03-26 01:36:16 AM  
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Robb married Jeyne to protect her honor, something in line with his character.

I thought Robb married her because Starks are dumbasses. Clearly, Robb is Ned's dumbass son.

And for all the yammer about who Jon Snow's parents are... "You know nothing, Jon Snow". I rest my case.

/you know why I cheer for the Lannisters, besides incest being best? The Starks are dumbasses, and Mary Sue Targaryen is an annoying biatch.


I always thought the Starks were there to show what happens when you try to apply honor to politics, they just get ran over.  I saw it as a parallel to why modern politicians are all scumbags.

Of course you'd rather have Ned in charge, but the sociopaths and egotists chewed him up, spit him out, and install a sadist because it suits their needs the best.  Meanwhile some other groups of narcisists aren't happy that some jackoff is occupying the position they should be in becuase they are obviously god's gift to the world. They then decide to go kill thousands of lives and burn half the kingdom to the ground because they DESERVE to fark with everyone's lives for their own benefit.  Just farking with the lives of the people in their corner of the kingdom isn't good enough for such enlightened gods like themselves.
2013-03-26 01:28:49 AM  
1 votes:

nocturnal001: Echidnaguy: big_pth: There are several scenes parts of ASOS that SHOULD be jaw dropping.  The Plaza of Pride.  The duel between a dog and a lightning lord, the duel between a stubborn wench and a man in chains, the snake vaulting the mountain.  the king of giants in a tunnel of ice.  And of course, what should be the final scene of season 4.

Looks like TRW is going to be episode nine actually, according to the episode titles.

Given that 1-9 was Ned getting whacked and 2-9 was Blackwater, this makes sense.

TRW will blow people's minds if they haven't read the books. I was shocked.

SoS is best of the series.


Yup, I got the anticipated "hmm...I'm not sure this is going to end well" and then the OMFG!!! texts from a friend who is reading SoS right now. And I'll be watching the series with another friend who decided to not to read the books until after seeing the show. I love living vicariously through the unspoiled.
2013-03-26 12:21:51 AM  
1 votes:
LectertheChef: I just want to know when Cerseiand Sansa and Daenerys are going to fark.

fixed for me...
2013-03-25 11:16:42 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now? I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season.


Here's my personal spoiler guide:

Threads about the Show: No spoilers about stuff that hasn't aired yet.  Once it's aired, discuss. Optional: spoiler warning for the first week or so.  I even try to avoid saying stuff like "Can't Wait till X fights Y!" since it tells people that X and Y are not in danger, at least until they meet.

Threads about the Books: Anything goes.

It's common courtesy.
2013-03-25 10:42:11 PM  
1 votes:

Echidnaguy: big_pth: There are several scenes parts of ASOS that SHOULD be jaw dropping.  The Plaza of Pride.  The duel between a dog and a lightning lord, the duel between a stubborn wench and a man in chains, the snake vaulting the mountain.  the king of giants in a tunnel of ice.  And of course, what should be the final scene of season 4.

Looks like TRW is going to be episode nine actually, according to the episode titles.

Given that 1-9 was Ned getting whacked and 2-9 was Blackwater, this makes sense.


TRW will blow people's minds if they haven't read the books. I was shocked.

SoS is best of the series.
2013-03-25 10:38:31 PM  
1 votes:

meyerkev: God Is My Co-Pirate: big_pth: There are several scenes parts of ASOS that SHOULD be jaw dropping.   The Plaza of Pride.  The duel between a dog and a lightning lord, the duel between a stubborn wench and a man in chains, the snake vaulting the mountain.  the king of giants in a tunnel of ice.  And of course, what should be the final scene of season 4.

Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now?  I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season.

Given that there are a lot of people who haven't read the book, I'm calling for "hints only."  Bolded is perfect. Those who have read the books know exactly what he's talking about, those who wanting to be spoiled can Google, and those who haven't are still clueless.


fark off.

I'm not waiting 20 years for Captain 'buggered deadline' to finish his series so I can talk about it in a thread on the internet. The books have been out for years and years yet some how its ok for Mr. neckbeard butt farker to wander into a thread and biatch that i spoiled it?

If you havent read game of thrones yet and you don't want it to be spoiled and you are reading a game of thrones thread on the internet at this moment just go mangle your genitals with power tools now. Nobody needs people like you in the world. Honest to god anyone wandering in here while still wanting the surprise that comes with first time reading i suggest you go have an enema of molten lead. Do it now.
2013-03-25 10:34:59 PM  
1 votes:
I'm really not fond of replacing Robb's relationship with Jayne Westerling with "Talisa Maegyr."

That being said, Oona Chaplin is really hot.
2013-03-25 10:32:22 PM  
1 votes:

Techhell: Old Man Winter: exick: Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.

What he said.

Seriously? Huh. Book 3 is where I stopped reading the series since it started to pull a Wheel of Time. "We've had two books to create a large group of primary characters, but for this book we're going to focus on this whole other group of secondary characters! Woohoo!" Sure, it was well written and had some great scenes, but I dropped the WoT for the same reason - book after book where new character after new character is introduced while old characters and main characters were pushed aside. Also didn't help that there was a what, 5 year lag between books 3 and 4? Has book 5 come out yet? *does a quick Wiki search, finds that yes indeed book 5 came out... 6 years after book 4.*

/Once the series is done, I'll pick it up again and read it start to finish.


Martin regularly writes himself into corners and then struggles to figure out what to do with the characters that are languishing.  It's a lot easier to simply create new characters and storylines.
2013-03-25 10:03:08 PM  
1 votes:

Old Man Winter: exick: Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.

What he said.


Seriously? Huh. Book 3 is where I stopped reading the series since it started to pull a Wheel of Time. "We've had two books to create a large group of primary characters, but for this book we're going to focus on this whole other group of secondary characters! Woohoo!" Sure, it was well written and had some great scenes, but I dropped the WoT for the same reason - book after book where new character after new character is introduced while old characters and main characters were pushed aside. Also didn't help that there was a what, 5 year lag between books 3 and 4? Has book 5 come out yet? *does a quick Wiki search, finds that yes indeed book 5 came out... 6 years after book 4.*

/Once the series is done, I'll pick it up again and read it start to finish.
2013-03-25 09:53:36 PM  
1 votes:

Kyro: I hope half the main characters don't up and suddenly die in this season.


You're watching the wrong show for that.
2013-03-25 09:52:10 PM  
1 votes:
I hope half the main characters don't up and suddenly die in this season.
 
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