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(Newsweek)   Nerds, start your boners: Game of Thrones season 3 is even better than the first two seasons   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 216
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2013-03-26 12:10:30 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Here's the rub - this thread is about GoT the TV series, not GoT the book series. Therefore things from the books that would spoil the TV series should be left out of discussion. Go start a thread about the books if you want to spoil other stuff.


Its the same story. Like as in the show has been spoiled for years now. Seriously -- everyone now knows its based off a book thats been out for awhile. If you dont want spoilers stay out of discussion threads.

The TV show is based off the books -- That asshole GRRM spoiled the show for me freaking ages ago. If you want to watch the show watch the show -- don't wander your idiot ass around the internet complaining in threads that you shouldn't be in if you really wanted to keep it a surprise.

Besides -- to spoil the story it would have to be going somewhere.

Teufelaffe: "Jon loves Ygritte and so he might have been truly happy. Not one couple in a century has that chance, no matter what the story books say. And so I think no man in a century will suffer as greatly as he will."


More like "Goddamnit what have i gotten myself into now? Well i guess i can kill her off and eventually make Jon act like he hasn't learned a damn thing over the last 4 books...." Grrm makes people suffer not because he likes to... But because it seems to be the only way he can make the story compelling.  He's great at giving his readers that slight hint of hope -- thats what draws you -- the want for something better for these characters... But Grrm doesn't have anything better for these characters.

Why? The same reason LOST had a shiatty ending. Write the ending first. dont get 5 books or seasons in and then admit you got befuddled after the second episode.

In grrms own words: I had no idea it would go so 'Narnia' That should give you a clue as to how well put together the GoT story line is. Not very.
 
2013-03-26 12:11:08 AM  
An army of TV critics get to see the first 4 episodes of season 3, and not one of them has the courtesy to UL them to P2P.

Remind me again why we let TV critics live.
 
2013-03-26 12:17:44 AM  
I just want to know when Cersei and Daenerys are going to fark.
 
2013-03-26 12:21:51 AM  
LectertheChef: I just want to know when Cerseiand Sansa and Daenerys are going to fark.

fixed for me...
 
2013-03-26 12:31:28 AM  

mikefinch: LectertheChef: I just want to know when Cerseiand Sansa and Daenerys are going to fark.

fixed for me...


I don't know, Sansa's a bit too submissive. With Cersei and Daenerys, there'd be a lot more potential for rough stuff, as they fight for dominance. Wrestling, slapping, pulling hair, tearing clothes. Sansa'd probably just sit in a corner masturbating until the other two determined who was the top. Though if you're going more the sapphic orgy route, you should also include Doreah, the woman who taught Daenerys how to fark.
 
2013-03-26 12:33:18 AM  
LectertheChef:

Good, thorough analysis.  You've convinced me with your argument.
 
2013-03-26 12:39:12 AM  
Is Book 3 where GRRM becomes obsessed with the See You Next Tuesday word or derivations thereof, or is that Book 4?
 
2013-03-26 12:43:58 AM  
LectertheChef:

Idk - I always figured the blondes would be fiery and angry and they would toss her back and forth laughing while she winced and whimpered at their torments...  Like they would just go at each other and let little submissive sansa touch herself in the corner.  Yeah right. They would look at her like a toy. I like your direction -- i just don't think they would let her off so easy.

\Lots of whimpering...
\\Some tying up for sure...
 
2013-03-26 01:16:15 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Robb married Jeyne to protect her honor, something in line with his character.


I thought Robb married her because Starks are dumbasses. Clearly, Robb is Ned's dumbass son.

And for all the yammer about who Jon Snow's parents are... "You know nothing, Jon Snow". I rest my case.

/you know why I cheer for the Lannisters, besides incest being best? The Starks are dumbasses, and Mary Sue Targaryen is an annoying biatch.
 
2013-03-26 01:21:11 AM  

Techhell: Old Man Winter: exick: Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.

What he said.

Seriously? Huh. Book 3 is where I stopped reading the series since it started to pull a Wheel of Time. "We've had two books to create a large group of primary characters, but for this book we're going to focus on this whole other group of secondary characters! Woohoo!" Sure, it was well written and had some great scenes, but I dropped the WoT for the same reason - book after book where new character after new character is introduced while old characters and main characters were pushed aside. Also didn't help that there was a what, 5 year lag between books 3 and 4? Has book 5 come out yet? *does a quick Wiki search, finds that yes indeed book 5 came out... 6 years after book 4.*

/Once the series is done, I'll pick it up again and read it start to finish.


I think you're confusing Book 4 with Book 3. There are only two new POV characters in Book 3, Jamie and Sam, both of whom were established in Book 1.

I would agree that the problem with Book 4 -- which lead to it being split into two books -- was the unnecessary inclusions of characters from Dorne and the Iron Islands, as well as Brienne's rather uninteresting POV chapters taking up about 17% of the book. All of this could have happened of screen.
 
2013-03-26 01:22:59 AM  

legion_of_doo: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Robb married Jeyne to protect her honor, something in line with his character.

I thought Robb married her because Starks are dumbasses. Clearly, Robb is Ned's dumbass son.

And for all the yammer about who Jon Snow's parents are... "You know nothing, Jon Snow". I rest my case.

/you know why I cheer for the Lannisters, besides incest being best? The Starks are dumbasses, and Mary Sue Targaryen is an annoying biatch.


Rob marry's out of love. In the game of thrones you don't marry for love -- you marry to gain a claim on land. The Starks just don't understand how the game of thrones is played.
 
2013-03-26 01:26:41 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: big_pth: There are several scenes parts of ASOS that SHOULD be jaw dropping.  The Plaza of Pride.  The duel between a dog and a lightning lord, the duel between a stubborn wench and a man in chains, the snake vaulting the mountain.  the king of giants in a tunnel of ice.  And of course, what should be the final scene of season 4.

Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now?  I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season.


The statute of limitations has expired. I've seen interviews with the cast where they've all but revealed what happens and discussing it vis-a-vis.

And given what the season's likely cliffhanger will be, I expect a lot of the people who didn't read the books to just give in and lookup what happens next.
 
2013-03-26 01:28:49 AM  

nocturnal001: Echidnaguy: big_pth: There are several scenes parts of ASOS that SHOULD be jaw dropping.  The Plaza of Pride.  The duel between a dog and a lightning lord, the duel between a stubborn wench and a man in chains, the snake vaulting the mountain.  the king of giants in a tunnel of ice.  And of course, what should be the final scene of season 4.

Looks like TRW is going to be episode nine actually, according to the episode titles.

Given that 1-9 was Ned getting whacked and 2-9 was Blackwater, this makes sense.

TRW will blow people's minds if they haven't read the books. I was shocked.

SoS is best of the series.


Yup, I got the anticipated "hmm...I'm not sure this is going to end well" and then the OMFG!!! texts from a friend who is reading SoS right now. And I'll be watching the series with another friend who decided to not to read the books until after seeing the show. I love living vicariously through the unspoiled.
 
2013-03-26 01:36:16 AM  

legion_of_doo: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Robb married Jeyne to protect her honor, something in line with his character.

I thought Robb married her because Starks are dumbasses. Clearly, Robb is Ned's dumbass son.

And for all the yammer about who Jon Snow's parents are... "You know nothing, Jon Snow". I rest my case.

/you know why I cheer for the Lannisters, besides incest being best? The Starks are dumbasses, and Mary Sue Targaryen is an annoying biatch.


I always thought the Starks were there to show what happens when you try to apply honor to politics, they just get ran over.  I saw it as a parallel to why modern politicians are all scumbags.

Of course you'd rather have Ned in charge, but the sociopaths and egotists chewed him up, spit him out, and install a sadist because it suits their needs the best.  Meanwhile some other groups of narcisists aren't happy that some jackoff is occupying the position they should be in becuase they are obviously god's gift to the world. They then decide to go kill thousands of lives and burn half the kingdom to the ground because they DESERVE to fark with everyone's lives for their own benefit.  Just farking with the lives of the people in their corner of the kingdom isn't good enough for such enlightened gods like themselves.
 
2013-03-26 02:29:04 AM  

jocutus: God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now? I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season.

Here's my personal spoiler guide:

Threads about the Show: No spoilers about stuff that hasn't aired yet.  Once it's aired, discuss. Optional: spoiler warning for the first week or so.  I even try to avoid saying stuff like "Can't Wait till X fights Y!" since it tells people that X and Y are not in danger, at least until they meet.

Threads about the Books: Anything goes.

It's common courtesy.


Thanks for your imposition of rules on what we may and may not talk about, friend. Please accept my humble "f*ck yourself" in gratitude.
 
2013-03-26 02:44:39 AM  
Are people really complaining about spoilers in a thread about a show that has already been recorded, edited, interviewed to death and will debut in a week?

Did the thought  "I want to be surprised so I shall not click on that link" evar appear in your brain about the content of that link before you clicked on it?

/dumbasses
 
2013-03-26 02:45:07 AM  

FuManchu7: legion_of_doo: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Robb married Jeyne to protect her honor, something in line with his character.

I thought Robb married her because Starks are dumbasses. Clearly, Robb is Ned's dumbass son.

And for all the yammer about who Jon Snow's parents are... "You know nothing, Jon Snow". I rest my case.

/you know why I cheer for the Lannisters, besides incest being best? The Starks are dumbasses, and Mary Sue Targaryen is an annoying biatch.

I always thought the Starks were there to show what happens when you try to apply honor to politics, they just get ran over.  I saw it as a parallel to why modern politicians are all scumbags.

Of course you'd rather have Ned in charge, but the sociopaths and egotists chewed him up, spit him out, and install a sadist because it suits their needs the best.  Meanwhile some other groups of narcisists aren't happy that some jackoff is occupying the position they should be in becuase they are obviously god's gift to the world. They then decide to go kill thousands of lives and burn half the kingdom to the ground because they DESERVE to fark with everyone's lives for their own benefit.  Just farking with the lives of the people in their corner of the kingdom isn't good enough for such enlightened gods like themselves.


Well the series isn't over yet. The final book in the series is or was supposed to be called 'A Time for Wolves'.

Whats that quote...the arc of history bends towards justice?
 
2013-03-26 02:59:38 AM  

redmond24: Well the series isn't over yet. The final book in the series is or was supposed to be called 'A Time for Wolves'.

Whats that quote...the arc of history bends towards justice?


A quick search indicated the final title will be A Dream of Spring.  Given the path of the books I've read so far, I imagine few will get a happy ending.  The "final" king may just be the last of the nobility left alive in the entire realm.
 
2013-03-26 04:10:14 AM  

FuManchu7: redmond24: Well the series isn't over yet. The final book in the series is or was supposed to be called 'A Time for Wolves'.

Whats that quote...the arc of history bends towards justice?

A quick search indicated the final title will be A Dream of Spring.  Given the path of the books I've read so far, I imagine few will get a happy ending.  The "final" king may just be the last of the nobility left alive in the entire realm.


Given the paths of the books so far I wonder if any of the original characters will live to the end.
 
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2013-03-26 04:12:48 AM  
Man I was worried the show was going to choke this season.
 
2013-03-26 05:18:05 AM  

FuManchu7: A quick search indicated the final title will be A Dream of Spring. Given the path of the books I've read so far, I imagine few will get a happy ending. The "final" king may just be the last of the nobility left alive in the entire realm.


The last book will be titled:

GRRM choked to death today on a large smoked ham. Experts believe an only slightly chewed mass of ham became lodged in the authors throat during his vigorous love making to said large smoked ham. His epic work "A Song of Ice and Fire" will go unfinished as the partial manuscript found under his bloated corpse consisted of little other than graphic descriptions of sex at and a Food Network tv schedule.
 
2013-03-26 05:45:53 AM  
 
2013-03-26 06:59:56 AM  
MEH

I'm edgy because I kill off main characters.

Only thing I like about this show is the ample amounts of boobage.
 
2013-03-26 07:05:42 AM  

fozziewazzi: Hickory-smoked: I'm really not fond of replacing Robb's relationship with Jayne Westerling with "Talisa Maegyr."

That being said, Oona Chaplin is really hot.

The book doesn't goes into how Robb and Jeyne met, except in recollection.  He just suddenly shows up with her like she was war booty or something.  I think the writers made a call that this made Robb look impulsive, selfish and unsympathetic, which is what they don't want given what happens to him shortly afterwards.


I suspect you're correct on the reasoning and, given the show has a different audience, I won't second guess the decision too much.

Still, in the context of the book, I felt those implied flaws humanized Robb a bit.  In a world populated largely with deeply damaged (in a fairly believable way) people, his character felt a little two dimensional by comparison.  Granted, he was a secondary character, so dwelling on his faults would have left little time to establish any positive attributes.
 
2013-03-26 07:09:06 AM  
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't season 3 only the first half of Storm of Swords? Depending on where the leave it off it could be an excellent season or completely terrible but leading up to a season 4 that is concentrated awesome.
 
2013-03-26 07:18:16 AM  

Egoy3k: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't season 3 only the first half of Storm of Swords? Depending on where the leave it off it could be an excellent season or completely terrible but leading up to a season 4 that is concentrated awesome.


That's what I heard.  May just wait for the last episode, then pick it up again in Season 4.
 
2013-03-26 07:36:14 AM  

FuManchu7: I always thought the Starks were there to show what happens when you try to apply honor to politics, they just get ran over. I saw it as a parallel to why modern politicians are all scumbags.


I've maintained that Vlad the Impaler would've been TRW'ed by GRRM halfway into the first book out of spite, which goes to show that GRRM is more "realistic" than. . . uh. . . reality?

Sure Vlad was eventually assassinated (three decades after his first reign), but he was given an epic shiat hand from the word go and still went a LOT farther IRL than any Stark in Westeros.  He took on the hostile incumbent nobility (sound familiar?) and survived exile (sound familiar?), betrayal (sound familiar?) and invasion (sound effin' familiar yet?). . . oh yeah, all while holding off the VASTLY stronger Ottoman Empire from his backwater kingdom (oh wait shiat not even the Starks had to deal with that).  He even ruled as King for a few years -- how's that for winning a "Game of Thrones"?  His name was subjected to such an intense and sustained smear campaign that it's associated with fictional horror to this day.  His enemies loathed him.

The moral of the story is that the Starks don't lose because they're honorable; they lose because they're dumb -- and what grinds my gears is that GRRM doesn't really make a strong distinction between the two.  That's what "edgy" means these days.  GRRM's on the same wavelength as Spaceballs here.  Vlad was ruthless but he was also an educated populist who risked and eventually lost his life protecting his kingdom from a political situation so hostile it'd made GRRM cream his pants.  Second, unlike SoIaF, reality does in fact resolve.  Vlad did not spend his adulthood touring the countryside; when he returned from exile he opened an epic can of wupass on the boyars.  Joffrey wouldn't have survived Vlad's wrath any longer than the time it would've taken him to cross the room and put a sword through his head.  And somehow Tyrion is cool because he slapped the King?
 
2013-03-26 07:57:48 AM  

Egoy3k: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't season 3 only the first half of Storm of Swords? Depending on where the leave it off it could be an excellent season or completely terrible but leading up to a season 4 that is concentrated awesome.


i would predict the seasons will end with respective weddings.
 
2013-03-26 07:59:58 AM  
Finally started watching this and I'm halfway through season 2 after starting it on Saturday.  I have no clue how you guys can only do one episode a week.  I feel like I'll have to wait til the season's over otherwise I'll go mad in between episodes.  Season 2 is so much better than 1.
 
2013-03-26 08:01:28 AM  

angrycrank: nocturnal001: Echidnaguy: big_pth: There are several scenes parts of ASOS that SHOULD be jaw dropping.  The Plaza of Pride.  The duel between a dog and a lightning lord, the duel between a stubborn wench and a man in chains, the snake vaulting the mountain.  the king of giants in a tunnel of ice.  And of course, what should be the final scene of season 4.

Looks like TRW is going to be episode nine actually, according to the episode titles.

Given that 1-9 was Ned getting whacked and 2-9 was Blackwater, this makes sense.

TRW will blow people's minds if they haven't read the books. I was shocked.

SoS is best of the series.

Yup, I got the anticipated "hmm...I'm not sure this is going to end well" and then the OMFG!!! texts from a friend who is reading SoS right now. And I'll be watching the series with another friend who decided to not to read the books until after seeing the show. I love living vicariously through the unspoiled.


It was a tough call for me.  I had not heard much about the series until I started watching season 1.  Finally wound up getting the books but would have been happy either way.
 
2013-03-26 08:02:09 AM  

Father_Jack: Egoy3k: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't season 3 only the first half of Storm of Swords? Depending on where the leave it off it could be an excellent season or completely terrible but leading up to a season 4 that is concentrated awesome.

i would predict the seasons will end with respective weddings.


Yeah if that is how season 4 ends then ends book sales will jump dramatically.
 
2013-03-26 08:04:24 AM  

Egoy3k: Father_Jack: Egoy3k: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't season 3 only the first half of Storm of Swords? Depending on where the leave it off it could be an excellent season or completely terrible but leading up to a season 4 that is concentrated awesome.

i would predict the seasons will end with respective weddings.

Yeah if that is how season 4 ends then ends book sales will jump dramatically.


although, the Wall^s events at the end of SoS are also pretty good place to stop at.

i just wish snow had a better haircut.

and Robb and Theon's northern English accents make me wet. And im not even a woman nor gay.
 
2013-03-26 08:10:33 AM  

jocutus: God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now? I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season.

Here's my personal spoiler guide:

Threads about the Show: No spoilers about stuff that hasn't aired yet.  Once it's aired, discuss. Optional: spoiler warning for the first week or so.  I even try to avoid saying stuff like "Can't Wait till X fights Y!" since it tells people that X and Y are not in danger, at least until they meet.

Threads about the Books: Anything goes.

It's common courtesy.


What about threads about the show and how it compares to the books?  Because that's what every GOT threads anywhere turns into.
 
2013-03-26 08:13:30 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: fozziewazzi: Hickory-smoked: I'm really not fond of replacing Robb's relationship with Jayne Westerling with "Talisa Maegyr."

That being said, Oona Chaplin is really hot.

The book doesn't goes into how Robb and Jeyne met, except in recollection.  He just suddenly shows up with her like she was war booty or something.  I think the writers made a call that this made Robb look impulsive, selfish and unsympathetic, which is what they don't want given what happens to him shortly afterwards.

I still think they could have written it better. Robb married Jeyne to protect her honor, something in line with his character. The change in the tv series makes it seem like he was just some young horny kid who let his dick do all the talking. And it ultimately underscores Tywin's role in all of it unless they still tie that together.

My other issues with season 2 were the underscoring of Tyrion's role in he battle, Catlyn letting Jamie go for no reason, and Arya's role in her escape reduced.


Yeah I was really disappointed with how PG-13 Arya's character is on the show.
 
2013-03-26 08:13:50 AM  

sirbissel: Eh, nose missing, a scar on the face... same thing.


Goes well with the brown hair and same colored eyes.
 
2013-03-26 08:24:14 AM  
As someone who never read the books but enjoys the hell outta the show, I don't mind the "spoilers". As someone up thread pointed out, they've kinda been around for awhile. Not to mention wiki and teh Google. And every one of my friends have read them and there's usually lots of discussion after an episode about the differences between book and show.
I think the only time knowing a spoiler effected my enjoyment was "He's been dead all along" when I saw 'The 6th Sense' the first time.

/Snape killed Dumbledore
//The woman and her kids are the ghosts
///His cop friend is trying to help him get closure
////Verbal Kent is Kaiser Soze
 
2013-03-26 08:31:18 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now?  I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season


I'm assuming that will be the season finale since they are only doing half of book 3 this season.
 
2013-03-26 08:33:39 AM  

mikefinch: Besides -- to spoil the story it would have to be going somewhere.


Very much this. I read the first book and I liked it, the second I liked because it still had that "new book series" feeling to it, the third was fine (stop introducing characters only to kill them off already, and we do not need to know the motivation of every single secondary character of you have a 100 of them), book 4 sucked. A lot of people are running around doing nothing, the only people who have a clear goal (beyond "go there, kill that") get 50 pages between them and then we hear that if we want to hear more about the actually interesting people we need to wait years for the next book? No way, screw you GRRM. I am done with your series.

Challenge: pick the 8 most important people in the book and try to explain what they are doing and why they are doing it. For bonus points you get to explain what steps they have taken to reach their ultimate goal.

I'll give you a hint on the last part: wandering about doing nothing very much for a few hundred pages and maybe go blind because they drank some drugged milk (apart from Jon Snow and Daenerys the only person who actually does something interesting yet one of the persons we hear least about).
 
2013-03-26 08:55:41 AM  

DerAppie: mikefinch: Besides -- to spoil the story it would have to be going somewhere.

Very much this. I read the first book and I liked it, the second I liked because it still had that "new book series" feeling to it, the third was fine (stop introducing characters only to kill them off already, and we do not need to know the motivation of every single secondary character of you have a 100 of them), book 4 sucked. A lot of people are running around doing nothing, the only people who have a clear goal (beyond "go there, kill that") get 50 pages between them and then we hear that if we want to hear more about the actually interesting people we need to wait years for the next book? No way, screw you GRRM. I am done with your series.

Challenge: pick the 8 most important people in the book and try to explain what they are doing and why they are doing it. For bonus points you get to explain what steps they have taken to reach their ultimate goal.

I'll give you a hint on the last part: wandering about doing nothing very much for a few hundred pages and maybe go blind because they drank some drugged milk (apart from Jon Snow and Daenerys the only person who actually does something interesting yet one of the persons we hear least about).


Agreed.  If Martin is smart he'll never finish the series because it'll be a disappointing mess.  I like the world he's created but he needs some serious help with writing and pacing.
 
2013-03-26 09:09:18 AM  

DerAppie: Challenge: pick the 8 most important people in the book and try to explain what they are doing and why they are doing it.


FTFY.  You don't even need to go that far.

SoIaF's most distinctive characteristic is its own undoing; it suffers from waaaaay too much parity (or more accurately, inaction).  It's not the number of characters that cripple it so much as lack of a single meaningful one.  Who's the most important character?  Is it Tyrion?  His "victory" is mostly treading water in a cesspool without drowning or getting overwhelmed by the stench.  Slapping the King may have been emotionally satisfying but it doesn't bring Westeros so much as an inch closer to political stability.  Is it Dany?  She's not even in Westeros.  Is it Jon Snow?  He finally started getting desperate in DoD but he was summarily given GRRM's ol' "this is what happens to sympathetic characters if they get proactive" treatment.  Is it the Stark children?  They've been so excruciatingly passive that even by the end of the fifth book I'd argue the late Ned is still more relevant than all of them combined.  Anyone else?  The reward for playing is getting killed off if you upset GRRM's carefully cultivated balance of power.  After four thousand pages, there's yet to be any sort of victory by anyone that can't be completely undone a couple hundred pages later (the most plausible explanation for why Dany is still alive is her utter irrelevance to Westeros).  Any crypto-bastard that bites it just gets replaced by another crypto-bastard.  Some real-life badass like the aforementioned Vlad, or Hannibal or Subutai, would have a goddamn meteorite snuff him out in a smoking crater of deus ex machina if GRRM couldn't find some other way of killing off the nuisance.  It's like GRRM is severely allergic to closure or something.

It seems inevitable that any doorstop fantasy will be compared to the ultimate predecessor, but while LotR was very much a team effort it had a clear-cut protagonist.  The story got plodding at times but not only did it finish (in record time compared to SoIaF I might add), Frodo never lost his forward momentum for more than a few relatively brief moments.  The journey transformed him from a warm-hearted trust fund baby to a wallowing PTSD wreck, but that was the sacrifice he made to reach the end.
 
2013-03-26 09:30:02 AM  
Little Finger. The answer is always Little Finger. Who drives the plot? Who is the most important character? Who's the only character that is "winning"?

This doesn't bode well for who?
 
2013-03-26 09:34:40 AM  

UtopianDevil: God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now?  I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season

I'm assuming that will be the season finale since they are only doing half of book 3 this season.


I think that's too near the end of the book though, isn't it?  Because immediately afterwards you get the moon door, which should be the end to season 4.
 
2013-03-26 09:51:21 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Who's the only character that is "winning"?


except he can't get the one "thing" he wants.

sorry only halfway through season two, but he doesn't seem to be winning there.  Then again owning that whore house would be like always winning if it were me.
 
2013-03-26 09:51:51 AM  

Techhell: Old Man Winter: exick: Book 3 is by far the most kickass of the series, so this shocks me not.

What he said.

Seriously? Huh. Book 3 is where I stopped reading the series since it started to pull a Wheel of Time. "We've had two books to create a large group of primary characters, but for this book we're going to focus on this whole other group of secondary characters! Woohoo!" Sure, it was well written and had some great scenes, but I dropped the WoT for the same reason - book after book where new character after new character is introduced while old characters and main characters were pushed aside. Also didn't help that there was a what, 5 year lag between books 3 and 4? Has book 5 come out yet? *does a quick Wiki search, finds that yes indeed book 5 came out... 6 years after book 4.*

/Once the series is done, I'll pick it up again and read it start to finish.


Ok good, go away then.
 
2013-03-26 10:02:43 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: UtopianDevil: God Is My Co-Pirate: Can we get a ruling on spoilers since the book has been out for, what, 12 years now?  I guess better safe than sorry. I'm looking forward to the black amethysts and pigeon pie myself. Don't know if that'll be in this season

I'm assuming that will be the season finale since they are only doing half of book 3 this season.

I think that's too near the end of the book though, isn't it?  Because immediately afterwards you get the moon door, which should be the end to season 4.


You may be right, it's been a while since I read it. Hmm, wonder what point they will pick to stop the season....
 
2013-03-26 10:04:23 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Little Finger. The answer is always Little Finger. Who drives the plot? Who is the most important character? Who's the only character that is "winning"?

This doesn't bode well for who?


I would include Varys along with littlefinger. they both have far more going on than meets the eye and are sneaky enough to manipulate the events without anyone even knowing that they're the ones pulling the strings.

I'm not sure if littlefinger survives the story but i have a pretty good feeling that Varys will be hanging around when everything shakes out.
 
2013-03-26 10:06:34 AM  
More  Emilia Clarke naked. Make it happen.
 
2013-03-26 10:12:08 AM  

mikefinch: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Here's the rub - this thread is about GoT the TV series, not GoT the book series. Therefore things from the books that would spoil the TV series should be left out of discussion. Go start a thread about the books if you want to spoil other stuff.

Its the same story. Like as in the show has been spoiled for years now. Seriously -- everyone now knows its based off a book thats been out for awhile. If you dont want spoilers stay out of discussion threads.

The TV show is based off the books -- That asshole GRRM spoiled the show for me freaking ages ago. If you want to watch the show watch the show -- don't wander your idiot ass around the internet complaining in threads that you shouldn't be in if you really wanted to keep it a surprise.

Besides -- to spoil the story it would have to be going somewhere.

Teufelaffe: "Jon loves Ygritte and so he might have been truly happy. Not one couple in a century has that chance, no matter what the story books say. And so I think no man in a century will suffer as greatly as he will."

More like "Goddamnit what have i gotten myself into now? Well i guess i can kill her off and eventually make Jon act like he hasn't learned a damn thing over the last 4 books...." Grrm makes people suffer not because he likes to... But because it seems to be the only way he can make the story compelling.  He's great at giving his readers that slight hint of hope -- thats what draws you -- the want for something better for these characters... But Grrm doesn't have anything better for these characters.

Why? The same reason LOST had a shiatty ending. Write the ending first. dont get 5 books or seasons in and then admit you got befuddled after the second episode.

In grrms own words: I had no idea it would go so 'Narnia' That should give you a clue as to how well put together the GoT story line is. Not very.


Except that he already knows how it is going to end, and has already told the writers for the show in case he dies or something.  Damn, do you even read anything about the show you seem to complain so much about?
 
2013-03-26 10:18:06 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Little Finger. The answer is always Little Finger. Who drives the plot? Who is the most important character? Who's the only character that is "winning"?

This doesn't bode well for who?


Little Finger is winning, yes, but its not a zero sum game in westeros now is it. There are a few people who, by the end of book 5, are clearly winning, and yeah he's one of them. but there are others too. Then there are a number of key characters who's destinys are obscured and its not so easy to say how theyll shaek out, and there are still others who begin to take shape as key facilitators of other characters, and once they fulfill the role theyre being groomed for, theyll probably be killed. And finally there are those who are absolutely freakin' DOOMED.

Really, to me, the only character whose destiny in the greater story arc is unclear is Arya. I have no idea what RR has in store for her. Virtually everyone else who is a POV protagonist that isnt a Lannister i can see a way how they will all come together and potentially live in harmony in a new westeros order, from Dani to Jon to Bran to Sansa to ... well basically everyone who's not trying to kill them. But arya's fate is not even partially clear, the way i think the Stark children's is.
 
2013-03-26 10:27:32 AM  

Kimpak: MEH

I'm edgy because I kill off main characters.

Only thing I like about this show is the ample amounts of boobage.


MEH.

I'm edgy because I just throw a bunch of boobs into my show.
 
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