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(Huffington Post)   Hey, 90 percent of Americans, what are you complaining about? Your incomes have gone up nearly $60. Sure, that's over forty years, but still   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 38
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2013-03-26 01:25:24 AM  
6 votes:
This is not a Democrat/Republican problem.

This is a "how our economic and political system is structured" problem. Corporations do not exist to make money for employees, they exist to make money for "shareholders" and owners. Lower level employees are thought of as disposable and are offered as little money as practical, and no stake in the company itself (sometimes a token stake).

Additionally, land is all owned, and no-one has a right to a place to live, so the most of the poor start out with nothing. Rent serves as a constant drain on income which prevents the accumulation of wealth.  The rent being too damn high and lack of owned property is a central, not marginal, part of the problem of wealth and income inequality.The rent issue extents to other forms of private capital. Ownership of the means of production gives one a way to constantly accumulate capital. No ownership, no means of self-sufficiency. The worker becomes dependent on the employer.

Marx was fundamentally right about the problems of capitalism but fundamentally wrong about the solutions.

I say, Basic Income and Distributism!
2013-03-25 08:17:25 PM  
6 votes:

netizencain: Sgygus: We all need to keep voting the Republicans into office.  Look at the benefits we are reaping!

Over the past 40 years, the Senate has been controlled by the Democrats 13 out of 22 times.
The House has been controlled by the Democrats 15 out of 22 times

 Democrats have had a majority of the power in Congress over the past 40 years.  So unless you're going to spout off about filibusters and what not, it just doesn't matter who you vote for.


And every time the Republicans get a foot hold they do damage that takes multiple sessions to fix thanks to things like compound interest and wars.

But keep sucking Reagan's cock. I'm sure something will trickle down on you.
2013-03-26 01:02:31 AM  
5 votes:

evil saltine: That's adjusted for inflation. Why would wages be expected to grow faster than inflation?


Productivity increases by an average of 2.9 percent per year in the U.S.  The average worker is producing twice what he did forty years ago.  Should he not be sharing in the extra wealth he is creating?

/we all know where that extra wealth is going ... all of it
2013-03-26 12:38:02 AM  
4 votes:

Great Janitor: Oh, an article about class differences.  Is there any economic system out there where there is no haves and have nots and has hot running water and medicine?


For fark's sake, no one is arguing that hard work shouldn't be rewarded.  I really don't know why you guys keep believing that those of us who criticize the wealth in equality in this country somehow want to plunge it head first into Stalinism.  Quite honestly, the voting trends in this country indicate that the 'OMG Soshulizm' sales pitch is running on fumes.

Furthermore, there are examples available of first world countries that do a much better job in this regard than we do; we're not talking about political abstractions anymore like we were in the 1920s.  See:

upload.wikimedia.org
2013-03-26 12:01:22 AM  
4 votes:
Sooner or later the people paying the wages better realize that pushing down incomes and sending jobs overseas is only going to result in them having no one to sell their goods and services to.
2013-03-25 11:45:36 PM  
4 votes:
We need to get big business out of government and put them back on a leash again.
2013-03-25 05:54:24 PM  
4 votes:

Sgygus: We all need to keep voting the Republicans into office.  Look at the benefits we are reaping!


Over the past 40 years, the Senate has been controlled by the Democrats 13 out of 22 times.
The House has been controlled by the Democrats 15 out of 22 times

 Democrats have had a majority of the power in Congress over the past 40 years.  So unless you're going to spout off about filibusters and what not, it just doesn't matter who you vote for.
2013-03-25 11:44:09 PM  
3 votes:
2013-03-25 11:43:11 PM  
3 votes:
LOL at everyone who tries to blame politics.

Its corporate GREED.  They pay workers crap bc ppl are desperate for jobs...money concentrated at the top.

Very simple.
2013-03-26 02:50:45 AM  
2 votes:

evil saltine: That's adjusted for inflation. Why would wages be expected to grow faster than inflation?


Because GDP has been rising higher than inflation. Because incomes for the upper strata of the tax base have been rising higher than inflation. Value has been added to the economy of the last 40 years. But none of those gains has made it to the very people that made that growth possible.

In fact, when you consider what your dollar buys, purchasing power has been all but diluted because of the massive spike in housing, education, energy, and health care prices. Which all have been growing at several times the rate of inflation over the past 40 years.
2013-03-26 01:53:32 AM  
2 votes:
A very big story that the media seems to be overlooking is the plummeting birth rates in industrialized countries.  The whole multiply-and-foul-the-Earth mentality seems to be dying out.  The biggest reason is the rising educational levels of women; when they realize they can have a career, being a human Pez dispenser loses its appeal.  Even in the US, the rate just fell below the replacement level of 2.1 kids per woman, even with a huge influx of Hispanic immigrants.  About the only people I know who have more than 2 kids are on welfare; most of the so-called middle-class families I know have both husband and wife working to maintain their precarious economic position and they're just too stressed out to have more than one or two kids...
2013-03-26 12:02:32 AM  
2 votes:
That's adjusted for inflation. Why would wages be expected to grow faster than inflation?
2013-03-26 12:01:09 AM  
2 votes:
We should just let the hyper-rich have ALL THE MONEY. Then we could simply live off their largesse. Maybe they would be generous enough to feed my family for a while if I agree to allow them to hunt me for sport.
2013-03-25 11:38:45 PM  
2 votes:
www.bartcop.com

Oblig
2013-03-25 11:31:46 PM  
2 votes:
Obamashmobama

Look farktards -- the game is fixed. The tabl is rigged
The fixes are gaurding the henhouse.

They don't even care to hide it anymore.
Remember the "reforms" after the "Great Depression" -- conducted by the same people who caused it
The reforms after the "Housing Crises of '07" -- conducted by the same people who caused it.
Who created a Central Bank for America - the same people who cause the above.
Who took us off Gold? Look above.

Why does America pay debt on every dollar issued?
See above.

Who does the President of the US report to?
see above
2013-03-25 10:32:53 PM  
2 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: But the important thing is a President with daddy issues got to play with armymen.


I assume you're referring to Oedipus Tex?
2013-03-26 01:46:15 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: If you are making the same at that point, you are an unskilled worker and it is your own fault you never did anything to better yourself.


That's ridiculous and you're a fool if you think that's true. I've seen countless skilled workers let go and replaced with people making half the money. It's becoming more and more prevalent in the workforce.
2013-03-26 03:49:18 AM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Actually it used to be that as productivity went up so did wages,


www.irle.berkeley.edu

And then something changed.
2013-03-26 01:40:55 AM  
1 votes:
Simple solution:

STOP HAVING BABIES ALREADY.

Why inflict a lifetime of poverty on a kid?  Get a snip job and not only will you not have kids born into poverty, but what little money you do have can be spent on having a few luxuries in your life.  You might not be able to sail on a yacht, but at least you'll have a relatively stress-free life by not having kids.  Not only that, but in the long term, you're socking it to the rich--the rich need poor people far more than the poor need rich people.  The reason the 1% own 99% of everything is that they've relied upon the poor for millennia to keep popping out more kids than they (the poor) can afford to feed; show me a guy who's willing to toil in the shiat mines for a dollar a day, and I'll show you some schmuck who has 7 kids and a wife to feed back in some tin-roofed shack.
2013-03-26 01:07:24 AM  
1 votes:

Sgygus: evil saltine: That's adjusted for inflation. Why would wages be expected to grow faster than inflation?

Productivity increases by an average of 2.9 percent per year in the U.S.  The average worker is producing twice what he did forty years ago.  Should he not be sharing in the extra wealth he is creating?

/we all know where that extra wealth is going ... all of it


An average worker needs to work a mere 11 hours per week to produce as much as one working 40 hours per week in 1950.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/

So, wages should be 4x as much as they were then!  Or somethng.

/not how capitalism works
2013-03-26 12:22:51 AM  
1 votes:

Great Janitor: Oh, an article about class differences.  Is there any economic system out there where there is no haves and have nots and has hot running water and medicine?


Maybe we should get the "medicine" part right before we have that discussion.
2013-03-26 12:20:28 AM  
1 votes:

Great Janitor: What are the odds of going from poor to rich? I don't know. What I do know is that there are more first generation millionaires right now in the US than at any other time, and that the vast majority of millionaires are first generation.


That's what inflation does.  1 million in 1973 (going from the 40 years in TFA to most current 2012 data) is about 5 million today.  To compare millionaires in these generations of significant inflation is ludicrous.
2013-03-26 12:20:01 AM  
1 votes:

morg: I'm tired of hearing how poor I am. I was told there would be cake?


Or death.
2013-03-26 12:14:46 AM  
1 votes:

Forbidden Doughnut: The Pope of Manwich Village: Yet, Totino's Party Pizzas have remained at 5-for-$1 over the same time frame. I just don't see the problem here.

//crips crust

IIRC ( from my childhood), those have caraway seeds in them, making the pizza inedible for me.....no matter how poor & desperate I become....


Good news...they're not caraway seeds, they're pupa of rose chafer beetles.
2013-03-25 11:55:57 PM  
1 votes:
So? What are you going to do about it?
2013-03-25 11:49:14 PM  
1 votes:
Yep, tax the rich more. The government has more cronies at banks to bail out, more non means tested services for boomers to fund to buy votes, more drones to kill brown folks with, and more prisons.


Oh, you thought the taxes on the rich were going to poor people.

lol
2013-03-25 11:44:29 PM  
1 votes:

Sgygus: netizencain: it just doesn't matter who you vote for

So the political shift of the country to the right (since Reagan) is just in my imagination.

/I need to get my weather-vane cleaned
//not disagreeing with you about the lack of any genuine leftiness in the Democrats.


you mean the three terms for republicans and three terms for democrats?
yes, it is your imagination.
2013-03-25 11:43:38 PM  
1 votes:

generallyso: Simply: the country is in decline and there's no turning back.


Can you please give me a reference to when the Country was NOT in decline.
TIA!
2013-03-25 10:13:53 PM  
1 votes:
But the important thing is a President with daddy issues got to play with armymen.
2013-03-25 08:47:10 PM  
1 votes:
Well maybe if those 90% just pulled their bootstraps harder they'd be millionaires in no time! The wealth inequality is just showing how many lazy people there are. We need to give more tax breaks to the job creators cause they're the ones that are really suffering.
/Oh god I feel dirty from writing that.
2013-03-25 08:15:05 PM  
1 votes:
I willingly took a $10,000 pay cut. A hell of a lot less stress on a daily basis is well worth it.
2013-03-25 08:14:39 PM  
1 votes:

netizencain: Sgygus: We all need to keep voting the Republicans into office.  Look at the benefits we are reaping!

Over the past 40 years, the Senate has been controlled by the Democrats 13 out of 22 times.
The House has been controlled by the Democrats 15 out of 22 times

 Democrats have had a majority of the power in Congress over the past 40 years.  So unless you're going to spout off about filibusters and what not, it just doesn't matter who you vote for.


How about actually talking about the germane policies pushed, and laws passed, by party?  Or would that wash your red herring ashore in a frothy pile of seaweed...
2013-03-25 08:10:04 PM  
1 votes:

ourbigdumbmouth: Maybe the problem with the money IS the money!?!?

Seriously though, need to get share holders to put pressures on businesses to lessen the salary gap between top and bottom rung.

You can do this with taxes and guns.


Will guillotines work?
2013-03-25 06:55:32 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe the problem with the money IS the money!?!?

Seriously though, need to get share holders to put pressures on businesses to lessen the salary gap between top and bottom rung.

You can do this with taxes and guns.
2013-03-25 06:11:26 PM  
1 votes:

Sgygus: netizencain: it just doesn't matter who you vote for

So the political shift of the country to the right (since Reagan) is just in my imagination.

/I need to get my weather-vane cleaned
//not disagreeing with you about the lack of any genuine leftiness in the Democrats.


Actually since 88, it's been pretty split.  .
2013-03-25 06:02:00 PM  
1 votes:

netizencain: it just doesn't matter who you vote for


So the political shift of the country to the right (since Reagan) is just in my imagination.

/I need to get my weather-vane cleaned
//not disagreeing with you about the lack of any genuine leftiness in the Democrats.
2013-03-25 05:42:41 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks to tax increases, our income came DOWN since January.
2013-03-25 05:29:37 PM  
1 votes:
We all need to keep voting the Republicans into office.  Look at the benefits we are reaping!
 
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