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2013-03-27 02:00:34 AM  

lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.

Gun safes really hurt your mpg.


And if you need to use it in the event of a break-in, what good is it locked up in a safe?
 
2013-03-27 03:01:03 AM  

Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.

Gun safes really hurt your mpg.

And if you need to use it in the event of a break-in, what good is it locked up in a safe?


Ahh, so you are being a smartass.  The big heavy gun safe under your floor is for your completely unneeded assault weapons and such. You put your burgler shootin' gun in one of these:

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Or, you know, on your nightstand if you taught your kids not to play with guns.
 
2013-03-27 03:13:17 AM  

lewismarktwo: Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.

Gun safes really hurt your mpg.

And if you need to use it in the event of a break-in, what good is it locked up in a safe?

Ahh, so you are being a smartass.  The big heavy gun safe under your floor is for your completely unneeded assault weapons and such. You put your burgler shootin' gun in one of these:


Actually, I really wasn't. I was considering the balance between personal safety and home protection. That box with the finger outlines, does it actually do a fingerprint identification? Because that's pretty awesome if it does.

Or, you know, on your nightstand if you taught your kids not to play with guns.

That's still pretty risky, as kids do stupid things all the time. But even if you don't have kids, if you leave it lying on your nightstand, someone could break in and use it against you.
 
2013-03-27 04:43:07 AM  

Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:


That's still pretty risky, as kids do stupid things all the time. But even if you don't have kids, if you leave it lying on your nightstand, someone could break in and use it against you.


It's all about camouflage...
 
2013-03-27 09:47:45 AM  

Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.


Well like Lewis said, at home I can lock up my guns in a safe. I don't keep them ALL locked up, I have a shotgun and a .40 within easy access, and I have no young kids to worry about. Also cars are broken into much more often. I've had two cars broken into in the last 5 years. Never had a home invasion. The dogs might have something to do with that. (Also you can't keep a dog in your car all the time. The animal people hate that, plus also poop) And cars move around. Sometimes they are in worse areas than others. If someone breaks into my car, at best they'll get a locked GPS and a couple of Metallica CDs.
If they try break into my house (assuming I'm not home to add buckshot to the equation) they'll have to deal with doors that are better secured, 2 dogs that will eat their face (and one that will bring them toys), and they still have to root around until they find two unsecured guns that are not in plain sight. Cars are quick snatch n grabs. Not so much with houses.
Now of course they could always blast the doors off the hinges, shoot the dogs, and use a torch to cut into the safe. Nothing is 100% secure, and if they want it bad enough, they'll get it. But I'm just trying to keep your average thief from getting a free killing tool.
 
2013-03-28 02:07:40 AM  

MythDragon: they still have to root around until they find two unsecured guns that are not in plain sight.


MythDragon: But I'm just trying to keep your average thief from getting a free killing tool.


My point is that if the guns are unsecured, a burglar could find them, and use them against you or somebody else.
 
2013-03-28 08:26:44 AM  

Abacus9: MythDragon: they still have to root around until they find two unsecured guns that are not in plain sight.

MythDragon: But I'm just trying to keep your average thief from getting a free killing tool.

My point is that if the guns are unsecured, a burglar could find them, and use them against you or somebody else.


At this point, I can only assume you are being argumentative  simply for the sake of being argumentative. But I shall adress it any way.

-I carry a gun on my person instead of leaving one in my car, so that it is always under my direct control.
-Houses are much more secure than cars. The 'unsecured' gun in my house is secured behind a locked door, several dogs, in another room behind a shut door, in a hidden location.
-Most of my firearms are in a safe. The ones I have for home defense are not, because that would defeat the purpose. There is a trade off where you have to accept less secure storage of a firearm for ease of access. Short of one of those hyperspace gun holsters in Ultraviolet, there is no perfect solution.
-There is no such thing as 'total security'. You have 'more secure' and 'less secure'. Your options range from storing your gun in the middle of the 7-11 parking lot off MLK blvd to storing it in the lowest vault of the Cheyenne Mountain complex. But if someone wants it badly enough, they WILL get it. Wether it takes simply picking it up off the street to a Chinese invasion with nuclear bunker busters, they WILL get in. Someone can break a window, reach into the middle console and take a gun. That's easy. They can kick in my door, shoot my dogs, go find the drawer I have my gun in, which is significantly less easy. They could do all the above, plus spent 30 minutes with a angle grider or 10 minutes with an acetylene torch and get into my safe, this is even harder, but do-able.
-Yes, given enough effort a person could take one or more of my firearms and use it agianst me or someone else. But they could just as easily steal one from someone else who takes less precautions or just break into a Goddamn pawnshop and smash the case open. Or just say 'fark it' and give T-Money (he works the corner of Jefferson and 5th)100 bucks for one that has the same legal status as one they'd steal anyway and not put themselves in danger of being caught in a break-in.
 
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