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(Riverfront Times)   The worst part about driving in snow is when you accidentally hit another car and the driver shoots you a bunch of times   (blogs.riverfronttimes.com) divider line 57
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2013-03-25 08:49:44 PM  
Ah yes, another responsible gun owner.
 
2013-03-25 08:54:10 PM  
To be fair, I get mad when the temperature drops below 50F.  *shrug*

cold biatches = mad biatches
 
2013-03-25 08:55:02 PM  
An armed society is a polite society
 
2013-03-25 08:55:47 PM  
FTA:Suspect:44-year old black female.

Color me shocked.  Another "responsible gun owner" indeed.
 
2013-03-25 08:56:28 PM  
It sounds like she way overreacted to his leaving the scene of an accident.
 
2013-03-25 08:59:54 PM  
Is there such thing as a MLK road that isn't in the ghetto?
 
2013-03-25 09:00:05 PM  
Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.
 
2013-03-25 09:01:40 PM  
After reading the article, I could almost take her side.  He hit-and-ran-and-ran
 
2013-03-25 09:01:50 PM  
I take that as a no . You don't accept my apoligy.
 
2013-03-25 09:02:33 PM  

jaytkay: Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.


The fark? We all Jack be Nimble now that we carry candlesticks with us?
 
2013-03-25 09:09:13 PM  

jaytkay: Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.


I know I can't turn my lights on or off without a gun. /homersimpson
 
2013-03-25 09:09:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: jaytkay: Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.

The fark? We all Jack be Nimble now that we carry candlesticks with us?


I prefer the lead pipe or wrench... has more heft
 
2013-03-25 09:09:40 PM  
How many people are currently driving around with a loaded gun in their vehicle?
 
2013-03-25 09:11:03 PM  
He left the scene of the accident without exchanging info.

AverageAmericanGuy: jaytkay: Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.

The fark? We all Jack be Nimble now that we carry candlesticks with us?


Nah, I find if much easier to just use my four thousand pound car to ram people.
 
2013-03-25 09:13:14 PM  

noitsnot: After reading the article, I could almost take her side.  He hit-and-ran-and-ran


Come on, man. If you're in an accident on MLK in any city, you don't stop.
 
2013-03-25 09:21:05 PM  

blacksho89: noitsnot: After reading the article, I could almost take her side.  He hit-and-ran-and-ran

Come on, man. If you're in an accident on MLK in any city, you don't stop.


Cuz no insurance and stuff.

/Has insurance
//Has guns
///Still uses slashies
 
2013-03-25 09:25:35 PM  
I feel like Stand Your Ground applies here. A car can be pretty dangerous...maybe not as dangerous as a 17 year old kids skittle-fueled fists, but still.
 
2013-03-25 09:27:24 PM  
She was  this close to Zimmermanning him. They'll be a next time, lady, never fear.
 
2013-03-25 09:29:33 PM  

jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society


If everyone involved in this incident had been carrying AR-15s this tragedy could have been averted.
 
2013-03-25 09:32:42 PM  

Jack Kerouac: blacksho89: noitsnot: After reading the article, I could almost take her side.  He hit-and-ran-and-ran

Come on, man. If you're in an accident on MLK in any city, you don't stop.

Cuz no insurance and stuff.

/Has insurance
//Has guns
///Still uses slashies


No, man - it's cuz, if you on Martin Luther King Blvd - there's some violence goin' on.  RUN!!!!  RUN!!!!
 
2013-03-25 09:36:22 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Is there such thing as a MLK road that isn't in the ghetto?


One borders San Francisco's Golden Gate Park.
 
2013-03-25 09:37:09 PM  

iron de havilland: jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society

If everyone involved in this incident had been carrying AR-15s this tragedy could have been averted.


If everyone involved in this incident had been driving AWD's this tragedy could have been averted.
 
2013-03-25 09:39:01 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Is there such thing as a MLK road that isn't in the ghetto?


No, it's federal law to let you know not to stop there when traveling in unfamiliar cities. Seems to be a good system.
 
2013-03-25 09:42:26 PM  

willfullyobscure: She was  this close to Zimmermanning him. They'll be a next time, lady, never fear.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-25 10:05:02 PM  

USP .45: willfullyobscure: She was  this close to Zimmermanning him. They'll be a next time, lady, never fear.

[i.imgur.com image 556x611]


Wow, he has a bloody lip.

A real man would punch somebody back for that.

What did that guy do?
 
2013-03-25 10:09:23 PM  

jaytkay: USP .45: willfullyobscure: She was  this close to Zimmermanning him. They'll be a next time, lady, never fear.

[i.imgur.com image 556x611]

Wow, he has a bloody lip.

A real man would punch somebody back for that.

What did that guy do?


Stood his ground, my man. He stood his ground.
 
2013-03-25 10:11:31 PM  
A gun thread? On Fark?? NOW I've seen everything!
 
2013-03-25 10:18:31 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Is there such thing as a MLK road that isn't in the ghetto?


No.
 
2013-03-25 10:31:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Is there such thing as a MLK road that isn't in the ghetto?


Where are you?

Martin Luther King Blvd.

Run!!!


(maybe take refuge at Lincoln High School)
 
2013-03-25 10:31:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Is there such thing as a MLK road that isn't in the ghetto?


The one in Seattle isn't exactly ghetto but I wouldn't walk around there while white
 
2013-03-25 10:34:50 PM  
Never mind that. Check out what's at the bottom of the page.

"UFO Religion Seeks Topless Women for Missouri Rally"

/Probably NSFW
 
2013-03-25 10:38:27 PM  

jaytkay: Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.


I've been inspired by Russian car cam videos where someone gets hit/gets pissed off at a bad driver and they go to town on that driver's car with a baseball bat. I'm a little apprehensive of actually doing it though because I have a lot of rage built up with stupid drivers.

In the last 5 days (just the highlights)...

- I've been sideswiped by a girl on her cellphone. Merged into me with a car she just bought ($1,900 damage to my car)
- A truck in front of me pulled up to a red light, looked both ways, and then drove through the light while it was still red. Further down the road he would move over and take up both lanes if a car was turning in front of him. This action would force people over outside the lane they were traveling in. He also wasn't using turn signals anywhere as we made our way through town.
- Someone pulled out of a parking lot without looking in the direction I was coming from and I had just enough time to come to a screeching halt
- There was a red light at a stop light that was covered in snow,  but the green/yellow lights weren't covered and also weren't lit up. The guy in front of me decided he would drive straight through anyways at 45 mph. Even though there was cross traffic (since the East/Westbound road had the green light) Us being North bound had a red light at that time. He came inches from getting t-boned.
- Multiple issues at 4 ways stops, the worst is tied between 2 guys. One that gunned it across the 4 way out of turn as I approached the middle. The other instance was a guy that pulled up after me and started to slow down but then drove through. What was his rush? I don't know but he stopped at the car wash 2 blocks down the road from that 4 way.

I used to love driving but in the last 2 years of living in this new town I've come to loathe it.
 
2013-03-25 10:41:33 PM  

GonadtheBarbarian: FTA:Suspect:44-year old black female.

Color me shocked.  Another "responsible gun owner" indeed.


To be fair, after my car got rear-ended and totaled last summer and the ensuing PITA that it was (plus the literal pain in my neck), I'd be tempted to react this way if it ever happens again... still owe three grand on the replacement. Apparently you should take the insurance payout and be grateful, god forbid you buy the same kind of car and try to get the jackhole to cover the difference.

/bitter
 
2013-03-25 10:48:18 PM  
Oh, I should add before people get on my case about me somehow causing the accident... I was stopped and waiting for oncoming opposing traffic to pass me so I could get on the highway. Dude barreled right in to me with no warning and knocked me (almost) into said oncoming traffic. Then he tried to get out of the piddly ticket they issued for 'following too closely', even though he was no where near me when I stopped. You better believe I testified against him.
 
2013-03-25 11:12:07 PM  

ladyfortuna: Oh, I should add before people get on my case about me somehow causing the accident... I was stopped and waiting for oncoming opposing traffic to pass me so I could get on the highway. Dude barreled right in to me with no warning and knocked me (almost) into said oncoming traffic. Then he tried to get out of the piddly ticket they issued for 'following too closely', even though he was no where near me when I stopped. You better believe I testified against him.


I've been rear ended in a similar manner. On a hwy through town at a stop light, the guy that ran into me totaled his truck, he hit me with enough force to push me into the vehicle in front of me, and that force carried both of us into the car in front of him. The driver claimed he dropped some work tools in the floorboard and tried to pick them up. (he had a farking passenger that could have done that)

I took what the insurance offered although I thought about taking it up with a lawyer. We ended up getting them to pay $9k for repairs, the medical expenses, $3.5k for my whiplash, and $400 for my wife's concussion, our children didn't get anything. One thing I've learned from this accident is to never play down your injuries if you are the victim in a car wreck with injuries.
 
2013-03-25 11:12:40 PM  

twfeline: How many people are currently driving around with a loaded gun in their vehicle?


I do.

/legally.
//haven't shot anyone
 
2013-03-25 11:37:23 PM  
The ass shouldn't have been tailgating.  He couldn't brake in time, and then tried to leave the scene.  I'd want to shoot that asshole tailgater, too.  Learn how to drive in the snow.
 
HBK
2013-03-25 11:47:24 PM  

twfeline: How many people are currently driving around with a loaded gun in their vehicle?


You don't want to know.
 
2013-03-25 11:52:49 PM  

jaytkay: USP .45: willfullyobscure: She was  this close to Zimmermanning him. They'll be a next time, lady, never fear.

[i.imgur.com image 556x611]

Wow, he has a bloody lip.

A real man would punch somebody back for that.

What did that guy do?


Please tell me more about the honorable nature of street fights.
 
2013-03-26 12:14:33 AM  

USP .45: Please tell me more about the honorable nature of street fights.


Which part? The part where you are man enough to punch somebody back? Or the one where you are wise enough to leave?
 
2013-03-26 02:08:56 AM  

USP .45: jaytkay: USP .45: willfullyobscure: She was  this close to Zimmermanning him. They'll be a next time, lady, never fear.

[i.imgur.com image 556x611]

Wow, he has a bloody lip.

A real man would punch somebody back for that.

What did that guy do?

Please tell me more about the honorable nature of street fights.


It's a good thing Zimmerman had that gun on him, or else that Martin guy might still be alive.
 
2013-03-26 02:53:07 AM  

miniflea: jaytkay: Non-story. This is not about guns.

If she had no handgun, she would have shattered his windshield with her purse or maybe a candlestick.

I know I can't turn my lights on or off without a gun. /homersimpson


Now I now how God must feel if he had a gun!
 
2013-03-26 03:57:21 AM  

Tenatra: ladyfortuna: Oh, I should add before people get on my case about me somehow causing the accident... I was stopped and waiting for oncoming opposing traffic to pass me so I could get on the highway. Dude barreled right in to me with no warning and knocked me (almost) into said oncoming traffic. Then he tried to get out of the piddly ticket they issued for 'following too closely', even though he was no where near me when I stopped. You better believe I testified against him.

I've been rear ended in a similar manner. On a hwy through town at a stop light, the guy that ran into me totaled his truck, he hit me with enough force to push me into the vehicle in front of me, and that force carried both of us into the car in front of him. The driver claimed he dropped some work tools in the floorboard and tried to pick them up. (he had a farking passenger that could have done that)

I took what the insurance offered although I thought about taking it up with a lawyer. We ended up getting them to pay $9k for repairs, the medical expenses, $3.5k for my whiplash, and $400 for my wife's concussion, our children didn't get anything. One thing I've learned from this accident is to never play down your injuries if you are the victim in a car wreck with injuries.


Unfortunately NY is a 'no fault' insurance state, meaning my insurance paid for everything immediate, and then went after his. Also this meant that there was no extra settlement for vehicle price differences, which is AWESOME in the post-cash-for-clunkers world where a nice used car costs as much as it did four years ago, if not MORE. I consulted with a lawyer I'd actually interviewed with for a job, which was really nice of them since they remembered me, but they confirmed what I'd researched ahead of time. le sigh.

If your representatives vote in favor of 'no fault' insurance laws, VOTE THEM OUT.

/end advice
 
2013-03-26 04:17:31 AM  

jaytkay: Which part? The part where you are man enough to punch somebody back? Or the one where you are wise enough to leave?


The iPhone Owner's Guide to Street Fighting p12
 
2013-03-26 04:22:02 AM  

ladyfortuna: Unfortunately NY is a 'no fault' insurance state, meaning my insurance paid for everything immediate, and then went after his


Wow! I was not aware that such nonsense existed. I live in Missouri so I've had the luxury of dealing with everything at fault wise. Does that mean your insurance premiums will go up regardless of who caused the accident? That also seems like it would be a pain in the ass if you have a great insurance company and the other person has a shady one. I've been involved in 3 accidents here but my insurance company only knows of the first one since I called them to ask about what I should do. They documented it but that was it. The other two I've dealt directly with the at fault person's insurance co. now that I know the ropes.

/After the most recent accident I was involved in I've been interested in investing in a dash + rear cam just to back up my side of the story for police and insurance purposes.
 
2013-03-26 07:47:49 AM  

Tenatra: ladyfortuna: Unfortunately NY is a 'no fault' insurance state, meaning my insurance paid for everything immediate, and then went after his

Wow! I was not aware that such nonsense existed. I live in Missouri so I've had the luxury of dealing with everything at fault wise. Does that mean your insurance premiums will go up regardless of who caused the accident? That also seems like it would be a pain in the ass if you have a great insurance company and the other person has a shady one. I've been involved in 3 accidents here but my insurance company only knows of the first one since I called them to ask about what I should do. They documented it but that was it. The other two I've dealt directly with the at fault person's insurance co. now that I know the ropes.

/After the most recent accident I was involved in I've been interested in investing in a dash + rear cam just to back up my side of the story for police and insurance purposes.


Actually, no-fault is OK - just OK - if you have a good company and the other driver has a shady one. That's the ONLY time it's just OK. It's expensive, and you are left with the necessity of suing your OWN insurance company if they rip you off.
Colorado went to "at fault" 10 years ago. Never been happier.
 
2013-03-26 07:52:51 AM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline: How many people are currently driving around with a loaded gun in their vehicle?

I do.

/legally.
//haven't shot anyone


Me too. Unless I am going to/from work (military base), I usually have a gun on me. I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

Have never shot anyone in anger.
 
2013-03-26 04:26:39 PM  
Fortunately, no, the insurance premiums don't go up just because you were in an accident. Someone mentioned recently they thought all the claims I've made in the last year would do that (it's BIZARRE how many things have happened to my vehicles lately). I just paid my insurance for the next six months, and it was about the same, possibly cheaper even. State Farm is pretty good as long as you keep a clean record.
 
2013-03-27 12:46:44 AM  

MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.


How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.
 
2013-03-27 01:52:49 AM  

Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.


Gun safes really hurt your mpg.
 
2013-03-27 02:00:34 AM  

lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.

Gun safes really hurt your mpg.


And if you need to use it in the event of a break-in, what good is it locked up in a safe?
 
2013-03-27 03:01:03 AM  

Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.

Gun safes really hurt your mpg.

And if you need to use it in the event of a break-in, what good is it locked up in a safe?


Ahh, so you are being a smartass.  The big heavy gun safe under your floor is for your completely unneeded assault weapons and such. You put your burgler shootin' gun in one of these:

ecx.images-amazon.com

Or, you know, on your nightstand if you taught your kids not to play with guns.
 
2013-03-27 03:13:17 AM  

lewismarktwo: Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.

Gun safes really hurt your mpg.

And if you need to use it in the event of a break-in, what good is it locked up in a safe?

Ahh, so you are being a smartass.  The big heavy gun safe under your floor is for your completely unneeded assault weapons and such. You put your burgler shootin' gun in one of these:


Actually, I really wasn't. I was considering the balance between personal safety and home protection. That box with the finger outlines, does it actually do a fingerprint identification? Because that's pretty awesome if it does.

Or, you know, on your nightstand if you taught your kids not to play with guns.

That's still pretty risky, as kids do stupid things all the time. But even if you don't have kids, if you leave it lying on your nightstand, someone could break in and use it against you.
 
2013-03-27 04:43:07 AM  

Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: lewismarktwo: Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:


That's still pretty risky, as kids do stupid things all the time. But even if you don't have kids, if you leave it lying on your nightstand, someone could break in and use it against you.


It's all about camouflage...
 
2013-03-27 09:47:45 AM  

Abacus9: MythDragon: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: twfeline:

 I don't have a 'car gun', as I think it would be irresponsible to leave a gun in there where someone could break in and take it.

How is this different from leaving a gun in your house where someone could break in and steal it?

/Not being a smartass, seriously wondering the difference.


Well like Lewis said, at home I can lock up my guns in a safe. I don't keep them ALL locked up, I have a shotgun and a .40 within easy access, and I have no young kids to worry about. Also cars are broken into much more often. I've had two cars broken into in the last 5 years. Never had a home invasion. The dogs might have something to do with that. (Also you can't keep a dog in your car all the time. The animal people hate that, plus also poop) And cars move around. Sometimes they are in worse areas than others. If someone breaks into my car, at best they'll get a locked GPS and a couple of Metallica CDs.
If they try break into my house (assuming I'm not home to add buckshot to the equation) they'll have to deal with doors that are better secured, 2 dogs that will eat their face (and one that will bring them toys), and they still have to root around until they find two unsecured guns that are not in plain sight. Cars are quick snatch n grabs. Not so much with houses.
Now of course they could always blast the doors off the hinges, shoot the dogs, and use a torch to cut into the safe. Nothing is 100% secure, and if they want it bad enough, they'll get it. But I'm just trying to keep your average thief from getting a free killing tool.
 
2013-03-28 02:07:40 AM  

MythDragon: they still have to root around until they find two unsecured guns that are not in plain sight.


MythDragon: But I'm just trying to keep your average thief from getting a free killing tool.


My point is that if the guns are unsecured, a burglar could find them, and use them against you or somebody else.
 
2013-03-28 08:26:44 AM  

Abacus9: MythDragon: they still have to root around until they find two unsecured guns that are not in plain sight.

MythDragon: But I'm just trying to keep your average thief from getting a free killing tool.

My point is that if the guns are unsecured, a burglar could find them, and use them against you or somebody else.


At this point, I can only assume you are being argumentative  simply for the sake of being argumentative. But I shall adress it any way.

-I carry a gun on my person instead of leaving one in my car, so that it is always under my direct control.
-Houses are much more secure than cars. The 'unsecured' gun in my house is secured behind a locked door, several dogs, in another room behind a shut door, in a hidden location.
-Most of my firearms are in a safe. The ones I have for home defense are not, because that would defeat the purpose. There is a trade off where you have to accept less secure storage of a firearm for ease of access. Short of one of those hyperspace gun holsters in Ultraviolet, there is no perfect solution.
-There is no such thing as 'total security'. You have 'more secure' and 'less secure'. Your options range from storing your gun in the middle of the 7-11 parking lot off MLK blvd to storing it in the lowest vault of the Cheyenne Mountain complex. But if someone wants it badly enough, they WILL get it. Wether it takes simply picking it up off the street to a Chinese invasion with nuclear bunker busters, they WILL get in. Someone can break a window, reach into the middle console and take a gun. That's easy. They can kick in my door, shoot my dogs, go find the drawer I have my gun in, which is significantly less easy. They could do all the above, plus spent 30 minutes with a angle grider or 10 minutes with an acetylene torch and get into my safe, this is even harder, but do-able.
-Yes, given enough effort a person could take one or more of my firearms and use it agianst me or someone else. But they could just as easily steal one from someone else who takes less precautions or just break into a Goddamn pawnshop and smash the case open. Or just say 'fark it' and give T-Money (he works the corner of Jefferson and 5th)100 bucks for one that has the same legal status as one they'd steal anyway and not put themselves in danger of being caught in a break-in.
 
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