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(Indiegogo)   Farker's non-profit is raising funds to build the best open source email client ever   (indiegogo.com ) divider line
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2013-03-25 03:10:04 PM  
I'm the Farker in question, and I'd be happy to answer any questions about Geary, Shotwell, or anything else.
 
2013-03-25 03:22:38 PM  
I'm raising funds to help my niece pay for college.  She got accepted into Cornell College... it's $44,000 a year.  How the hell can kids pay for college nowadays?
 
2013-03-25 03:35:51 PM  
Will it be compatible with Joe Biden's Trans Am?
 
2013-03-25 03:43:10 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Will it be compatible with Joe Biden's Trans Am?


Not if Biden spills beer all over the electronics.
 
2013-03-25 04:10:33 PM  
"We hope to make Geary the only email client you'll need."

Ok, while Shotwell is a rather nice piece of work, what on earth could you add to the local-client email scene? Will it connect well with Activesync, unlike every other *nix email client? Will it offer me the breezy archiving and instant search available in the cloud-only Gmail? Will it consume every piece of my system's resources until it becomes unstable like Evolution?

Neither your Kickstarter nor a quick Google really seem to answer this.
 
2013-03-25 04:21:48 PM  

palladiate: Ok, while Shotwell is a rather nice piece of work, what on earth could you add to the local-client email scene? Will it connect well with Activesync, unlike every other *nix email client? Will it offer me the breezy archiving and instant search available in the cloud-only Gmail? Will it consume every piece of my system's resources until it becomes unstable like Evolution?


To answer those one at a time:

...what on earth could you add to the local-client email scene?

There's a lot of new email clients out there that offer a lightweight conversation-based UI. Unfortunately these are all closed-source. We want to change that.

Will it connect well with Activesync, unlike every other *nix email client?

It's my understanding that ActiveSync is 100% proprietary and requires a license to use. That said, I believe MS has a new open protocol that recent versions of Exchange provides. This is how Evolution is able to connect to Exchange, for example.

Will it offer me the breezy archiving and instant search available in the cloud-only Gmail?

Yes. This is the main thing we feel most email clients lack today. We want to offer as-you-type searching (which would be faster than Gmail.)

Will it consume every piece of my system's resources until it becomes unstable like Evolution?

Yes and no. There's a bug in master right now that causes Geary to eat CPU, but we're already working on resolving that. We don't want to be one of those email clients.
 
2013-03-25 04:44:38 PM  

MrEricSir: To answer those one at a time:


Cool deal. ActiveSync has been basically unconstrainted to implement since the latest couple of versions. It's still patented, but they've documented and licensed the interface for open use. Basically I'd just love to see something kill Evolution, because it's a giant POS.

Good search is definitely a good start for local-client email.
 
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2013-03-25 05:01:26 PM  
"Conversation-based UI"?  There's no good reason for doing that to people...
 
2013-03-25 05:11:11 PM  
Better than Thunderbi---bwahahahaha, I couldn't even finish it.
 
2013-03-25 05:19:22 PM  
Does Geary have support for threaded conversations? Or are the emails individual?
 
2013-03-25 05:27:36 PM  

RexTalionis: Does Geary have support for threaded conversations? Or are the emails individual?


Geary (more or less) uses the same conversation model as Gmail. It's a "flat" list of all the messages in the conversation sorted by date. Unlike so many other IMAP client, Geary shows messages you sent as part of the conversation.

Come to think of it, that's the same way Fark threads work.
 
2013-03-25 06:35:35 PM  
What's the money going towards specifically? I mean, $100,000 is something I'd want to keep track of.
 
2013-03-25 06:37:40 PM  
I farking hate threaded conversations and software that forces me to use them. And I think people who try to force others to view email that way should be raped with a chainsaw. I really mean that.

Thunderbird does what I need it to do. Including, among other things, un-farking Gmail's retarded presentation. What are you people offering that Tbird does not?
 
2013-03-25 06:47:12 PM  

Sargun: What's the money going towards specifically? I mean, $100,000 is something I'd want to keep track of.


It's going toward the release of Geary 0.4. The specifics of what that entails are listed under "How we plan on using your contribution" on the IndieGoGo page.
 
2013-03-25 07:28:19 PM  
"People want to see their e-mail as conversations..."

NO. WE. DO. NOT.

This "conversation" crap is THE single thing that I HATE about mobile GMail.
 
2013-03-25 07:28:31 PM  
So here's the question:

How is your client better than Thunderbird?

It doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be better than Thunderbird, but you have to at least have an answer if you hope to get any funding.
 
2013-03-25 07:42:59 PM  

andrewagill: So here's the question:

How is your client better than Thunderbird?

It doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be better than Thunderbird, but you have to at least have an answer if you hope to get any funding.


For one thing Thunderbird hasn't been actively developed in some time. Mozilla provides only enough funding to fix bugs, that's about it. (Thunderbird's codebase is ancient and I wouldn't want to work on it either.)

What we want to bring to the table is a built-in conversation view, as-you-type search, better desktop integration, and a more modern UI.

Further down the road we'd also like to have built in GPG, cross platform support, and Exchange support.
 
2013-03-25 07:55:28 PM  
Everything I've seen and read says "We'll be just like Gmail, except on your PC and faster."
Yay. Don't care. If I want my email to be fast I can still fire up elm.

You know what I'd pay good money for? A mobile mail client that worked 100% exactly like Gmail's Android Client, including support for server side push, but without the misfeatures of Conversation view and whatever the hell makes K9 the crashiest thing I've ever seen.

Other than that, I really think Email is a solved problem for anyone clueful enough to step away from their ISP's lameass POP mail services.
 
2013-03-25 08:00:53 PM  

MrEricSir: Sargun: What's the money going towards specifically? I mean, $100,000 is something I'd want to keep track of.

It's going toward the release of Geary 0.4. The specifics of what that entails are listed under "How we plan on using your contribution" on the IndieGoGo page.



So it's only going to pay for three engineers to have this as their sole job?
 
2013-03-25 08:03:25 PM  

Sargun: MrEricSir: Sargun: What's the money going towards specifically? I mean, $100,000 is something I'd want to keep track of.

It's going toward the release of Geary 0.4. The specifics of what that entails are listed under "How we plan on using your contribution" on the IndieGoGo page.


So it's only going to pay for three engineers to have this as their sole job?


Yup. I mean, if this works out, maybe we can up the ante and hire more people. Or at least a summer intern.
 
2013-03-25 08:55:09 PM  

likefunbutnot: Yay. Don't care. If I want my email to be fast I can still fire up elm.


See, by the time I got into mail, I was already using PINE.

It took me quite a while to switch from PINE to Thunderbird.  By the time I left PINE, it had already become Alpine.

It's gonna take more than searching and conversation view to switch to anything else.

Don't get me wrong, Ever since Mozilla announced Thunderbird was moving to community development or whatever they're calling it these days, I've been looking for a replacement.  I'd love Geary to be my choice, but from what I've seen so far, I don't think it will be.

No offense, Mr. Eric, Sir.  I wish you and your project well, but I don't think I'll be switching to yours soon.
 
2013-03-25 09:22:03 PM  

andrewagill: No offense, Mr. Eric, Sir. I wish you and your project well, but I don't think I'll be switching to yours soon.


None taken! Geary ain't for everyone, and right now I'd only recommend it to early adopters.
 
2013-03-25 10:08:31 PM  
IMO the best thing that Gmail did was to get rid of farking folders. Combined with fast search, I spend about 1/10th as much time trying to organize my mail.

An email comes in with a sales inquiry about product X from customer A. Do I put it into the Sales folder, product-x folder, customer-a folder, some other goddam folder?

With gmail, I can just tag it with all three and then leave it in my inbox or put it into archive.. Fast search makes it mostly moot anyway since all I really care about is being able to find it later.
 
2013-03-26 06:13:47 AM  

likefunbutnot: Yay. Don't care. If I want my email to be fast I can still fire up elm.


It's not so fast if you have 22,000 messages in your inbox... like I have right now.
 
2013-03-26 07:11:38 AM  
Releasing as open source sounds great, but to what end is the open source-ness for? Are you expecting people to fork or improve the software?

How are you expecting to make money and stay in business?
 
2013-03-26 02:06:13 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Releasing as open source sounds great, but to what end is the open source-ness for? Are you expecting people to fork or improve the software?


It's open as in LPGL 2. We're not "expecting" people to fork or improve the software, but they usually do. Shotwell has already been forked by Canonical to work with Ubuntu Online Accounts, for example. Geary and Shotwell get a dozen or so patches a month from outside contributors -- in fact a huge chunk of the conversation viewer in Geary was written by an outside contributor.


How are you expecting to make money and stay in business?

We've been in business for four years, mostly supported by donations. We've done contract work, which can make money but it takes a significant amount of time away from our main projects.

Frankly we'd rather get donations from individuals; if there's a better model for community projects we have not seen it.
 
2013-03-26 02:10:18 PM  

MrEricSir: AverageAmericanGuy: Releasing as open source sounds great, but to what end is the open source-ness for? Are you expecting people to fork or improve the software?

It's open as in LPGL 2. We're not "expecting" people to fork or improve the software, but they usually do. Shotwell has already been forked by Canonical to work with Ubuntu Online Accounts, for example. Geary and Shotwell get a dozen or so patches a month from outside contributors -- in fact a huge chunk of the conversation viewer in Geary was written by an outside contributor.


How are you expecting to make money and stay in business?

We've been in business for four years, mostly supported by donations. We've done contract work, which can make money but it takes a significant amount of time away from our main projects.

Frankly we'd rather get donations from individuals; if there's a better model for community projects we have not seen it.


Interesting. Thanks for the response.
 
2013-03-26 02:21:23 PM  
DNRTFKS:

Will your client be an all-in-one destination for all things communications (Email, Calendar, Contacts, RSS, NNTP, etc), or are you going the "*nix route" of making one tool that does just one thing?

Will the project be multi-platform (Windows, *nix)?

Will the package be compiled (C++, C) or interpreted (Java, .Net)?
 
2013-03-26 03:45:31 PM  

plc5_250: Will your client be an all-in-one destination for all things communications (Email, Calendar, Contacts, RSS, NNTP, etc), or are you going the "*nix route" of making one tool that does just one thing?


Definitely the later. We'd like to integrate with other calendar and contact apps rather than build these ourselves.


Will the project be multi-platform (Windows, *nix)?

Will the package be compiled (C++, C) or interpreted (Java, .Net)?


Geary is currently Linux only, but platform ports are not out of the question. Geary is written 100% in Vala, which looks like Java or C# but it compiles down to C and requires no runtime.
 
2013-03-26 06:32:04 PM  

MrEricSir: Geary is written 100% in Vala, which looks like Java or C# but it compiles down to C and requires no runtime.


Ooh!  I may have to look into that!
 
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