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(Daily Mail)   Bragging about your collection of Nazi memorabilia and calling the mayor "King Heeb" on Twitter is all in a day's work if you're: A) the Iranian dictator; B) an Aryan Brotherhood kingpin; C) FDNY Lieutenant   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 291
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2013-03-25 06:41:06 PM  
blog.zap2it.com
 
2013-03-25 06:48:00 PM  

BigNumber12: Lionel Mandrake: I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have actual examples?

You've been here a very long time. Are you serious? You've never seen a DM story roundly decried as yellow journalism?


Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not. Looks like this one is legit. Not sure why you feel the need to bust out your martyr complex over this one, but hey, here we are. In particular your knee-jerk rant about the NY Post was an unintentionally hilarious reaction. The Gothamist has an article with a little more background (ie. the NY Fire Department's Commissioner's own SON also just quit the EMS after a bunch of raicst tweets of his own were appraently unearthed). Is it that you're just identifying with him a little too much perhaps?

And as far as it not being newsworthy:
A. Welcome to Fark. Not everything posted here is strictly "newsworthy". That's how it is here.
B. A Fire Department official in one of the nation's largest cities being a massive racist who publicly made racist remarks about the citizens of the city AND the mayor himself is in itself certainly newsworthy in my opinion. I see that you disagree, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. You may want to consider that NYC's "stop and frisk" policy is being challenged in the courts right now, and so reports of blatant racism within the ranks of NYC's first responders right now are a little extra newsworthy then usual.
C. The NYC FD has a history of issues with racism and within the last few weeks just wanred everyone that they need to watch the racism in their social media accounts after the Fire Department Commissioner's son was recently outed with the same kind of racist crap.
 
2013-03-25 06:48:05 PM  

hobnail: [www.nypost.com image 300x300]


Goddammit. Who does he look like there? 90s rock/pop musician, what the hell was his name?

No, not Frank Black.
 
2013-03-25 06:48:24 PM  

Heathen: people still use "colored"???  Also people still use it and they are Canadian would it be "coloured"???


I'm pretty sure only Lieutenant Fatso and Uncle Ruckus use "colored". Oh and the NAACP.
/It would be hilarious if Lieutenant Fatso got a black lawyer who he promptly called some retarded 30's racial slur. Given what a dumbass he is, it's not that far-fetched.
"Hey, dirkey. Git that watermelon otta yer mouth and tell me where my mother****ing lawyer is."
"I am your lawyer."
"Oh dang-gumbit. Okay I apoligize fer that. I'm sure yer an upstanding colored person."
 
2013-03-25 06:50:37 PM  
and he wasn't saying 'I did something shiatty, I'm so sorry", he said "my life is ruined, I'm so sorry."
 
2013-03-25 06:54:45 PM  

danielscissorhands: I'm an Athiest, but technically I'm Jewish. Actually going to  my dad's for Passover tonight.

Anyway, when I was younger, I was so interested in reading about Nazis, that I bought the following Nazi magazine from the early 40s on Ebay. It was written by Dr Robert Ley (who cheated his death sentence by hanging himself by tying something to the base of his sink and leaning forward a nd manually strangling himself).

Here is what the magazine looked like.

Anyway, what made me feel really guilty, was that stuck inside the pages of the magazine I bought, was an envelope from Auschwitz, possibly the last letter ever sent by some poor soul.

On the outside of the envelope was written the following propoganda, by the Camp Kommandant: This is what it said  in German:

Concentration Camp Auschwitz
Mailing with camp prisoners is subjected to the following prescriptions:
  1. Every protective-custody-captive is allowed to send or to receive two letters or postcards from his relatives. Letters sent to prisoners must be written clearly and with ink, and must have a maximum of 15 lines per page. Only one piece of normal sized notepaper is permitted. Lined envelopes are not allowed. Including more than five 12 Pfg-stamps in the envelope is not allowed. Including everything else is forbidden will be seized. Postcards have 10 lines. It is not allowed to use photographs as postcards.
  2. It is permitted to send money to the prisoners.
  3. All consignments must carry the correct address, which means name, date of birth and number of the prisoner. If the address is not correct, the mail will either be returned to sender or destroyed.
  4. Newspapers are permitted, but can be ordered only via the postal service of the Concentration Camp Auschwitz.
  5. The sending of parcels is not allowed, because the prisoners can buy everything in the camp.
  6. Sending release from protective-custody requests to the camp board is useless.
  7. It is principally not permitted to talk with prisone ...



Interesting.

Here's an article talking about similar restrictions on mail at a different concentration camp:


"While the Japanese Americans were staying at the internment camps their mail was supervised. An article by the Topaz Times titled, "Instructions Released on Internee Mail," explained the process that the internees along with the internment camps took before sending their mail. All of the internees had to send their mail to New York with the title "Prisoner of war mail-free" at the upper right-hand corner. This new rule was established to censor what the Japanese Americans were allowed to say to either others in internment camps or others outside of the internment camps."


Of course Topaz (and the other US camps) were NOT Auschwitz - but the criteria for selecting who would be interned was similar (national origin /  race - whether men, women or children - and without regard to any crime committed or any overt "threat" to the Reich)

Not all that dissimilar, really.

Except that the war never made it to US soil, and the prisoners of the US weren't plagued with diseases such as typhus, and there were no mass executions (obviously).

And unlike the Germans, we won the war.

You can read more here - if you're interested.
 
2013-03-25 06:57:41 PM  
The Gothamist link with links to the background on the Commissioner's son who just got nailed by the same damn stupidity.

In this Metro.us link they mention that the NYFD just even tipped everyone off that they should be careful about their social media posts.

So if you're wondering who had it in for the poor widdle racist the answer is... nobody. He did this to himself. The FD Commissioner's son just recently got busted for the same thing, the FD warned everyone that they were checking social media..... and then this guy got caught when he failed to clean up his shiat - after being warned - after someone checked his Twitter. My guess is sinince the Commissioner's son just got busted not just the NYFD is looking, but all the journalists around there as well...
 
2013-03-25 06:58:36 PM  

victrin: Ugh, sometimes I hate my empathy. This guy is a total asshole who tried to be a counter-culture "internet tough guy" and got put in his place for a truly despicable mindset. I absolutely believe that he merits punishment because I also believe freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequence.

... However, knowing everything he did and is, I get a pang of such empathy and pity when I see a picture of a grown man crying like that; in such a way that he knows he's tarnished his professional credentials irreparably. He knows his way of life is essentially over. My brain knows he is reaping the rewards of his own efforts, but my heart feels awful for him. I am thankful that my brain ultimately wins out here, but I cannot feel any of the schadenfreude satisfaction here or a glib appreciation of karma. I see a bigoted pock mark on society, but I also see a broken man. I feel bad for him, and that disgusts me.


I think I'm one of the most empathetic people ever, and for some reason I can't help but get more than a little schadenfreude from this. He had "Bad Lieutenant" stitched to his jacket. He had a profile picture of Adolf Hitler. He admits he's a pervert. If you were female, or Jewish, non white, or dressed in a way this guy didn't like, would you really want to be unconscious and alone with him? I'm glad his own stupidity has gotten him out of his position of responsibility.

I feel bad that I can't feel bad for this guy, but I just can't feel bad for this guy. He's bawling like a baby because someone read his public, self-written tweets and confronted him with them in public.
 
2013-03-25 07:01:10 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: victrin: Ugh, sometimes I hate my empathy. This guy is a total asshole who tried to be a counter-culture "internet tough guy" and got put in his place for a truly despicable mindset. I absolutely believe that he merits punishment because I also believe freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequence.

... However, knowing everything he did and is, I get a pang of such empathy and pity when I see a picture of a grown man crying like that; in such a way that he knows he's tarnished his professional credentials irreparably. He knows his way of life is essentially over. My brain knows he is reaping the rewards of his own efforts, but my heart feels awful for him. I am thankful that my brain ultimately wins out here, but I cannot feel any of the schadenfreude satisfaction here or a glib appreciation of karma. I see a bigoted pock mark on society, but I also see a broken man. I feel bad for him, and that disgusts me.

I think I'm one of the most empathetic people ever, and for some reason I can't help but get more than a little schadenfreude from this. He had "Bad Lieutenant" stitched to his jacket. He had a profile picture of Adolf Hitler. He admits he's a pervert. If you were female, or Jewish, non white, or dressed in a way this guy didn't like, would you really want to be unconscious and alone with him? I'm glad his own stupidity has gotten him out of his position of responsibility.

I feel bad that I can't feel bad for this guy, but I just can't feel bad for this guy. He's bawling like a baby because someone read his public, self-written tweets and confronted him with them in public.


Yup, my reaction exactly. I'm usually pretty good with the empathy thing, but I can't summon any here.
 
2013-03-25 07:03:54 PM  

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year.


Eh, that's not actually much money in New York when you consider cost of living. That's just about enough to be middle class.
 
2013-03-25 07:04:05 PM  

victrin: Ugh, sometimes I hate my empathy. This guy is a total asshole who tried to be a counter-culture "internet tough guy" and got put in his place for a truly despicable mindset. I absolutely believe that he merits punishment because I also believe freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequence.

... However, knowing everything he did and is, I get a pang of such empathy and pity when I see a picture of a grown man crying like that; in such a way that he knows he's tarnished his professional credentials irreparably. He knows his way of life is essentially over. My brain knows he is reaping the rewards of his own efforts, but my heart feels awful for him. I am thankful that my brain ultimately wins out here, but I cannot feel any of the schadenfreude satisfaction here or a glib appreciation of karma. I see a bigoted pock mark on society, but I also see a broken man. I feel bad for him, and that disgusts me.


I think you're being a tad melodramatic.... Sure, he's a broken man today... but the man who he was yesterday was nothing to brag about.   This is a wakeup call, and who knows... if he uses it right, he can become a better person than he ever has been...

Look at Robert Downey Jr... he used to be a laughing stock druggie... Now, he's a sober, leading man in 2 franchises who commands 20 million a picture.
 
2013-03-25 07:05:28 PM  
Q+D

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-25 07:05:45 PM  

BigNumber12: Lionel Mandrake: BigNumber12: Are you serious? This is the most transparent character assassination I've seen in the "news" in a while. I wonder which influential person this guy offended, or was being blackmailed by.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x240]

It's inconceivable that someone would tweet something stupid!!

No - I'm grateful every single day for people who are stupid enough to tweet / status their crimes.

My whole point in commenting on this article is that the usual "Daily Fail is full of shiat" lynch mob is strangely silent on this particular article. Some informal version of chilling effects, I guess - nobody would dare question someone who's calling someone else a "Nazi." Guilt by association, you know.



Wow, how have I been here this long and not previously seen what a piece of shiat you are.

But do please keep defending Mr. Nazi and deflecting onto what site posted the TRUTH about a hateful racist.
 
2013-03-25 07:26:03 PM  

cubic_spleen: Oh, look: A fat, crying, racist authoritarian. In other words, a Republican.

/subspecies: Teabagger.
//14GOP88


Really? My first thought was that he worked with/for Al Sharpton.
 
2013-03-25 07:27:26 PM  
i348.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-25 07:30:10 PM  
Good Riddance. Idiots like that have no place in the Fire Service.

/sadly they're not that uncommon.
 
2013-03-25 07:32:06 PM  
*sigh*

Okay, sorry to have interrupted the feel-good fest. You may continue to foam at the mouth over the Nazi that the Media instructed you to be upset about.
 
2013-03-25 07:32:36 PM  

danielscissorhands: Gyrfalcon: danielscissorhands: I'm an Athiest, but technically I'm Jewish. Actually going to  my dad's for Passover tonight.

Anyway, when I was younger, I was so interested in reading about Nazis, that I bought the following Nazi magazine from the early 40s on Ebay. It was written by Dr Robert Ley (who cheated his death sentence by hanging himself by tying something to the base of his sink and leaning forward a nd manually strangling himself).

Here is what the magazine looked like.
 
Anyway, what made me feel really guilty, was that stuck inside the pages of the magazine I bought, was an envelope from Auschwitz, possibly the last letter ever sent by some poor soul.

On the outside of the envelope was written the following propoganda, by the Camp Kommandant: This is what it said  in German:

Concentration Camp Auschwitz
Mailing with camp prisoners is subjected to the following prescriptions:
  1. Every protective-custody-captive is allowed to send or to receive two letters or postcards from his relatives. Letters sent to prisoners must be written clearly and with ink, and must have a maximum of 15 lines per page. Only one piece of normal sized notepaper is permitted. Lined envelopes are not allowed. Including more than five 12 Pfg-stamps in the envelope is not allowed. Including everything else is forbidden will be seized. Postcards have 10 lines. It is not allowed to use photographs as postcards.
  2. It is permitted to send money to the prisoners.
  3. All consignments must carry the correct address, which means name, date of birth and number of the prisoner. If the address is not correct, the mail will either be returned to sender or destroyed.
  4. Newspapers are permitted, but can be ordered only via the postal service of the Concentration Camp Auschwitz.
  5. The sending of parcels is not allowed, because the prisoners can buy everything in the camp.
  6. Sending release from protective-custody requests to the camp board is useless.
  7. It is principally not ...


danielscissorhands: Hmm.. where is the Museum of Tolerance?


Really? Their site is here: http://www.museumoftolerance.com

They're located in Los Angeles, and while primarily dedicated to remembering the victims of the Holocaust, they also have other interesting exhibits related to hate-crimes and their aftermath. They're famous for the two entry doors marked "PREJUDICED" and "NOT PREJUDICED" and one of them is locked...

They would be quite interested to have both your magazine and the envelope, I'm sure. You should give them a call.
 
2013-03-25 07:33:22 PM  
What I don't get is the tears and bawling on the front stoop.
If you're going to do all that stuff, just admit it, apologize (or refuse to), and start rebuilding your life. No need to make things worse by doing that.

Anyway, who knows if this story is even true. DM is about as reliable a source of news as the National Enquirer.
 
2013-03-25 07:35:20 PM  

duenor: Anyway, who knows if this story is even true. DM is about as reliable a source of news as the National Enquirer.


Careful. Interrupting the Two Minutes Hate won't make you very popular in here.
 
2013-03-25 07:37:50 PM  

Amos Quito: danielscissorhands: I'm an Athiest, but technically I'm Jewish. Actually going to  my dad's for Passover tonight.


Interesting.

Here's an article talking about similar restrictions on mail at a different concentration camp:


"While the Japanese Americans were staying at the internment camps their mail was supervised. An article by the Topaz Times titled, "Instructions Released on Internee Mail," explained the process that the internees along with the internment camps took before sending their mail. All of the internees had to send their mail to New York with the title "Prisoner of war mail-free" at the upper right-hand corner. This new rule was established to censor what the Japanese Americans were allowed to say to either others in internment camps or others outside of the internment camps."


Of course Topaz (and the other US camps) were NOT Auschwitz - but the criteria for selecting who would be interned was similar (national origin /  race - whether men, women or children - and without regard to any crime committed or any overt "threat" to the Reich)

Not all that dissimilar, really.

Except that the war never made it to US soil, and the prisoners of the US weren't plagued with diseases such as typhus, and there were no mass executions (obviously).

And unlike the Germans, we won the war.


I believe you're being just a tad disingenuous.  US military/civilian mail was also censored so on that basis - censorship - are you suggesting the bases at which the soldiers were stationed were also concentration camps?  Of course, one could argue they were in the strictest sense of the word, because they were "concentrations" of troops.  But somehow I don't think that's the parallel you're trying to draw.  Did the US government start rounding up people of Japanese American origin before or after 7th December '41?

So actually yes, they were quite dissimilar.
 
2013-03-25 07:37:58 PM  

NostroZ: About time we get the haters out of public jobs.

If you hold a public position, be prepared to have your life examined!

It's obvious that New York has a problem respecting minorities;

FTA:
'He is not an isolated case,' retired veteran of the city EMS said of Dluhos. 'He's a symptom of a sick system. If you work in the city for police, fire or EMS and tell me you're surprised by this, you're a liar.'

Haters gonna hate (& then get fired)


This isn't even having his life examined. He basically made racist comments publicly and publicly aired his disdain for minorities. And yes, Twitter and Facebook are public forums. The guy is an idiot plain and simple.
 
2013-03-25 07:38:38 PM  

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year.


That's equvalent to roughly 50,000/year in Kansas City.  That is not unreasonable for an officer in the FD.
http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/
 
2013-03-25 07:38:47 PM  

BigNumber12: Careful. Interrupting the Two Minutes Hate won't make you very popular in here.


Don't let the fact that other news sources have been linked carrying the story in the thread stop you from defending the guy.
 
2013-03-25 07:40:14 PM  

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year.


studio apartment in New York is anywhere from 1500 to 3000 dollars a month, unfurnished.

This just in: People who work in high-cost of living areas make more.
 
2013-03-25 08:06:11 PM  

BigNumber12: duenor: Anyway, who knows if this story is even true. DM is about as reliable a source of news as the National Enquirer.

Careful. Interrupting the Two Minutes Hate won't make you very popular in here.


Not popular on Fark can quite possibly be taken as compliment. I don't mind being shunned by sanctimonious sheep.
 
2013-03-25 08:07:33 PM  

hardinparamedic: Sir-Marx-A-Lot: $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year. $93,000 a year.

A  studio apartment in New York is anywhere from 1500 to 3000 dollars a month, unfurnished.

This just in: People who work in high-cost of living areas make more.


Not in Staten Island.
 
2013-03-25 08:07:35 PM  

jigger: hobnail: [www.nypost.com image 300x300]

Goddammit. Who does he look like there? 90s rock/pop musician, what the hell was his name?

No, not Frank Black.


He's not a musician that I know of, but he looks a lot like Matt Pinfield.
 
2013-03-25 08:15:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: BigNumber12: Careful. Interrupting the Two Minutes Hate won't make you very popular in here.

Don't let the fact that other news sources have been linked carrying the story in the thread stop you from defending the guy.


I am going to need more than the Fail, CBS, the Post, channel 11 and Gawker.

If there was only a way to deep delete tweets.

What's that? There is?
 
2013-03-25 08:19:07 PM  

Moopy Mac: hardinparamedic: BigNumber12: Careful. Interrupting the Two Minutes Hate won't make you very popular in here.

Don't let the fact that other news sources have been linked carrying the story in the thread stop you from defending the guy.

I am going to need more than the Fail, CBS, the Post, channel 11 and Gawker.

If there was only a way to deep delete tweets.

What's that? There is?


That should say 'a way to read delete tweets'.
 
2013-03-25 08:34:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x942]

This is the funniest picture I've seen this week, possibly the whole month.

/Does his jacket really say "Bad Lieutenant"?!


The embroidered name really ties the fail together.
 
2013-03-25 08:52:09 PM  
My time machine. Let me show you it.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-25 09:08:33 PM  

CaptSS: cubic_spleen: Oh, look: A fat, crying, racist authoritarian. In other words, a Republican.

/subspecies: Teabagger.
//14GOP88

Want to know how I know you are a dick?


Whatever, Captain SchutzStaffel. I understand, with your user name, that you would be upset that I insulted an antisemite. Cry moar.
 
2013-03-25 09:10:13 PM  
I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.
 
2013-03-25 09:23:29 PM  

Moopy Mac: If there was only a way to deep delete tweets.


Does that prevent them from appearing on Tor?
 
2013-03-25 09:25:02 PM  

BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.


FYI - "I can't believe you guys are this wound up about a sensationalist Daily Mail article" != defending this moron
 
2013-03-25 09:36:49 PM  

BigNumber12: This is the most transparent character assassination I've seen in the "news" in a while.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-25 09:41:30 PM  

BigNumber12: BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.

FYI - "I can't believe you guys are this wound up about a sensationalist Daily Mail article" != defending this moron


And despite the fact that additional sources have been provided, you're still  incredibly concerned about this whole Daily Fail thing.  Even though you are defending him poorly and passive-aggressively,  you are still defending him.

Also I get it: you're the real victim in all of this.
 
2013-03-25 09:47:03 PM  

BigNumber12: Lionel Mandrake: I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have actual examples?

You've been here a very long time. Are you serious? You've never seen a DM story roundly decried as yellow journalism?


Here's a suggestion. Click on the DM article, go to the end of it & click on the link that says Read more:

That link will take you to the NY Post article, which DM used as their source.
 
2013-03-25 10:20:43 PM  

BigNumber12: Careful. Interrupting the Two Minutes Hate won't make you very popular in here.


What BigNumber12 might look like:

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-03-25 10:30:52 PM  
"King Heeb" is a glowing compliment compared to what I usually call the a-hole mayor of New York.

'Gimme back my Big Gulp, billionaire control freak!'
 
2013-03-25 10:32:40 PM  

OscarTamerz: When did Heeb replace Hymie among the democrat faithful l


Derp alert! Derp alert! Woo! Woo!
 
2013-03-25 10:43:16 PM  

BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.



While I certainly wouldn't defend this clown, at least he's not in a position to do appreciable damage to society, like Bloomberg.
 
ecl
2013-03-25 10:53:25 PM  
Amos Quito:(favorite: anti-semite)  BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.


While I certainly wouldn't defend this clown, at least he's not in a position to do appreciable damage to society, like Bloomberg.


You should get counseling.
 
2013-03-25 10:54:46 PM  

Amos Quito: BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.


While I certainly wouldn't defend this clown, at least he's not in a position to do appreciable damage to society, like Bloomberg.


Yes.  Something different is different.  Brilliant insight!
 
2013-03-25 10:55:30 PM  

ecl: Amos Quito:(favorite: anti-semite)  BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.


While I certainly wouldn't defend this clown, at least he's not in a position to do appreciable damage to society, like Bloomberg.

You should get counseling.


He's afraid his counselor might be a joo.
 
2013-03-25 10:58:06 PM  

BSABSVR: Amos Quito: BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.


While I certainly wouldn't defend this clown, at least he's not in a position to do appreciable damage to society, like Bloomberg.

Yes.  Something different is different.  Brilliant insight!


I think you missed his point.
 
ecl
2013-03-25 11:08:22 PM  

super_grass: BSABSVR: Amos Quito: BSABSVR: I don;t know if I should be heartened that this guy only has 4 defenders in this thread, or upset that he actually has 4 defenders.


While I certainly wouldn't defend this clown, at least he's not in a position to do appreciable damage to society, like Bloomberg.

Yes.  Something different is different.  Brilliant insight!

I think you missed his point.


He's a demented doofus?
 
2013-03-25 11:22:16 PM  

oldpickupguy: "King Heeb" is a glowing compliment compared to what I usually call the a-hole mayor of New York.

'Gimme back my Big Gulp, billionaire control freak!'


Unless he's legislating in texas, you should go and trade that big gulp in for a steaming mug of shut the fark up.
 
2013-03-25 11:27:11 PM  

ACunningPlan: Amos Quito: danielscissorhands: I'm an Athiest, but technically I'm Jewish. Actually going to  my dad's for Passover tonight.

Interesting.

Here's an article talking about similar restrictions on mail at a different concentration camp:


"While the Japanese Americans were staying at the internment camps their mail was supervised. An article by the Topaz Times titled, "Instructions Released on Internee Mail," explained the process that the internees along with the internment camps took before sending their mail. All of the internees had to send their mail to New York with the title "Prisoner of war mail-free" at the upper right-hand corner. This new rule was established to censor what the Japanese Americans were allowed to say to either others in internment camps or others outside of the internment camps."


Of course Topaz (and the other US camps) were NOT Auschwitz - but the criteria for selecting who would be interned was similar (national origin /  race - whether men, women or children - and without regard to any crime committed or any overt "threat" to the Reich)

Not all that dissimilar, really.

Except that the war never made it to US soil, and the prisoners of the US weren't plagued with diseases such as typhus, and there were no mass executions (obviously).

And unlike the Germans, we won the war.



ACunningPlan:  I believe you're being just a tad disingenuous.  US military/civilian mail was also censored so on that basis - censorship - are you suggesting the bases at which the soldiers were stationed were also concentration camps?


No, but as I was comparing mail censorship in Auschwitz to that in US concentration camps, and you extended that comparison to US military bases, I can only assume that you are trying to compare US military bases to Auschwitz.

Is that so?


ACunningPlan:  Of course, one could argue they were in the strictest sense of the word, because they were "concentrations" of troops.


One could, but it would certainly be a fatuous argument.


ACunningPlan: But somehow I don't think that's the parallel you're trying to draw.  Did the US government start rounding up people of Japanese American origin before or after 7th December '41?


The US government began laying the groundwork for the internment of US citizens/ residents of Japanese descent as early as 1939:

From Wiki:

"In 1939 through 1941, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) compiled the Custodial Detention Index (CDI) on citizens, enemy aliens and foreign nationals, citing national security. On June 28, 1940, the Alien Registration Act was passed. Among many other loyalty regulations, Section 31 required the registration and fingerprinting of all aliens older than 14, and Section 35 required aliens to report any change of address within five days. In the subsequent months, nearly five million foreign nationals registered at post offices around the country."


ACunningPlan: So actually yes, they were quite dissimilar.


Again, the original comparison was WRT mail restriction/ censorship in the two concentration camp systems.

As to the camps themselves, under BOTH both systems, they initially were put in place under the guise of "national security" interests, allegedly for the purpose of isolating and sequestering persons (or rather, classes of people) that the respective governments claimed were hostile or subversive, or presented an imminent or potential threat to national security. The primary differences in between the two were in the scale, the scope and the outcome, NOT in the alleged intent.

I should think that excusing or diminishing that which was done to the Japanese by the Americans would be every bit as reckless as ignoring that which was done to the "guests" of the Nazis (and others).

The Holocaust was a terrible thing - a black mark on humanity.

God forbid that we should fail to learn from such events.

Wouldn't you agree?
 
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