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(ABC)   Obama's campaign chief reflects on the "white knuckle" moments of 2012 like when he worried that Mitt Romney wouldn't say something stupi- or when they were concerned Gingrich might-or, okay, they knew the whole thing was a lock since Iowa   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 112
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2013-03-25 02:53:54 PM  
Michael Falcone: Looking ahead to 2016, do you think Republicans have a deeper bench to work with in terms of potential presidential candidates than the Democrats?

Jim Messina: I don't. I think their bench is problematic.

What?! How can you say that?!

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2013-03-25 02:53:57 PM  
I thought Romney and Ryan really took a chance courting the gay vote with America's Come Back team, but it turned out it didn't mean what I thought it meant.
 
2013-03-25 02:55:38 PM  

Antimatter: I always figured it was due to preparing to debate the Romney from the election so far, and not the guy who actually showed up, and basically advocated for completely different things.  Obama didn't know how to respond to the sudden shift in what Romney claimed to stand for.


I think it was a combination of this and Obama thinking that maybe he could slack a little and it wouldn't matter.... I think Flip-Flop Romney was the biggest factor, though...
 
2013-03-25 02:58:23 PM  

rtaylor92: One of the more punchable democrat faces I've ever seen

/democrat
//tell me I'm wrong


You're not wrong.
 
2013-03-25 02:59:35 PM  

Notabunny: Michael Falcone: Looking ahead to 2016, do you think Republicans have a deeper bench to work with in terms of potential presidential candidates than the Democrats?

Jim Messina: I don't. I think their bench is problematic.

What?! How can you say that?!

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They should throw out all statistics from that period in sports history. There were 5 brothers working in a factory somewhere during that time who would have busted these guys asses...while wearing their work clothes.
 
2013-03-25 03:02:23 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: For that matter, I didn't feel Romney did as bad as others thought in the next debates (except for the crushing "proceed, Governor" moment).


I dunno, the "horses and bayonets" comment from Obama was pretty damning too.  It really underscored that Romney failed to grasp the realities of modern military strategy (read: intelligence, SEALs, and drones).
 
2013-03-25 03:05:30 PM  

whistleridge: Funny, I seem to recall Nate Silver being the only barrier between liberals and mass suicide in the two weeks between the first debate and Joe Biden's utter annihilation of Paul Ryan. Does 'nearly killing ourselves en masse' not count as 'white knuckle' anymore?


And I seem to recall that time I was a swim suit model billionaire race car driver.
 
2013-03-25 03:12:12 PM  

Notabunny: Michael Falcone: Looking ahead to 2016, do you think Republicans have a deeper bench to work with in terms of potential presidential candidates than the Democrats?

Jim Messina: I don't. I think their bench is problematic.

What?! How can you say that?!

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Wow.  Is that a photo of some old-timey opponents of the Harlem Globetrotters?
 
2013-03-25 03:12:45 PM  

what_now: whistleridge: Funny, I seem to recall Nate Silver being the only barrier between liberals and mass suicide in the two weeks between the first debate and Joe Biden's utter annihilation of Paul Ryan. Does 'nearly killing ourselves en masse' not count as 'white knuckle' anymore?

And I seem to recall that time I was a swim suit model billionaire race car driver.


Danica?
 
2013-03-25 03:13:34 PM  

Lord_Baull: what_now: whistleridge: Funny, I seem to recall Nate Silver being the only barrier between liberals and mass suicide in the two weeks between the first debate and Joe Biden's utter annihilation of Paul Ryan. Does 'nearly killing ourselves en masse' not count as 'white knuckle' anymore?

And I seem to recall that time I was a swim suit model billionaire race car driver.

Danica?


Jerry. He drove so goddamn fast.
 
2013-03-25 03:16:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: enry: gingerjet: /and referencing Maddow does not help your argument

Explain

Maddow is gay like Silver and therefore not credible. Or something.


Gayness makes math and statistics uncomfortable, and do funny things just to get out of the room.
 
2013-03-25 03:17:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: That's not quite how I remember it. I recall quite a bit of criticism leveled against Obama.

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Wow. That comic really shows the sharp distinction between conservatives and liberals: liberals are capable of introspection.
 
2013-03-25 03:18:41 PM  
Graffito:  Separated at birth?

Yep.  He definitely looks like Doc Martin.
 
2013-03-25 03:19:37 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Lord_Baull: what_now: whistleridge: Funny, I seem to recall Nate Silver being the only barrier between liberals and mass suicide in the two weeks between the first debate and Joe Biden's utter annihilation of Paul Ryan. Does 'nearly killing ourselves en masse' not count as 'white knuckle' anymore?

And I seem to recall that time I was a swim suit model billionaire race car driver.

Danica?

Jerry. He drove so goddamn fast.


well he never won no checkered flag but he never did come in last
 
2013-03-25 03:21:31 PM  

GAT_00: Let's not pretend that the first debate wasn't a farkup of epic proportions.


I think it just looks like that because it was the first thing that Mitt didn't colossally fark up in the campaign, and the media jizzed itself with the opportunity to finally report that Mitt did something to actually help close the gap.  The amount of media buzz and the sheer intensity of GOP victory laps after that debate looked pretty absurd, given the unimportance of it.  Then when Obama beat Romney soundly in the second debate, the media played it off as a tie, because once again they couldn't bring themselves to admit that Mitt wasn't a real contender.  So what was the universe's most important watershed moment following the first debate became "meh, I think they both did okay" following the second.  Reality just takes a back seat when the country is in election-mode.
 
2013-03-25 03:22:24 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: the opposite of charity is justice: For that matter, I didn't feel Romney did as bad as others thought in the next debates (except for the crushing "proceed, Governor" moment).

I dunno, the "horses and bayonets" comment from Obama was pretty damning too.  It really underscored that Romney failed to grasp the realities of modern military strategy (read: intelligence, SEALs, and drones).


I think that I literally got up at that moment and started to do the crotch chop. It was done as far as I was concerned.
 
2013-03-25 03:25:57 PM  

Magorn: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Lord_Baull: what_now: whistleridge: Funny, I seem to recall Nate Silver being the only barrier between liberals and mass suicide in the two weeks between the first debate and Joe Biden's utter annihilation of Paul Ryan. Does 'nearly killing ourselves en masse' not count as 'white knuckle' anymore?

And I seem to recall that time I was a swim suit model billionaire race car driver.

Danica?

Jerry. He drove so goddamn fast.

well he never won no checkered flag but he never did come in last



Not looking forward to the swimsuit edition.
 
2013-03-25 03:39:43 PM  

what_now: whistleridge: Funny, I seem to recall Nate Silver being the only barrier between liberals and mass suicide in the two weeks between the first debate and Joe Biden's utter annihilation of Paul Ryan. Does 'nearly killing ourselves en masse' not count as 'white knuckle' anymore?

And I seem to recall that time I was a swim suit model billionaire race car driver.


A race car driver in denial?

Maybe I'm missing the joke, but the two weeks between the first debate and Biden saving the campaign were NOT good times to be an Obama supporter. I mean, isn't that the whole point behind the 'Give Joe the Bird' thing? His performance stopped the bleeding in the polls, and the 2nd and 3rd debates clinched the deal.

But for two long weeks, every non-Republican I know would have been in utter despair if it hadn't been for that little number on the right of Nate Silver's blog. And the relief when that number started to go up again was like nothing I have ever experienced.

It was, one might say, a white-knuckled two weeks.
 
2013-03-25 03:41:46 PM  

GAT_00: Go back and read that thread.  It's a couple thousands comments of "This isn't that bad, right?  This is still OK."


I can only speak for myself, but the only "excuse" I made for Obama that evening was the spat of spillover Syrian violence into Turkey, and the chance for that conflict to escalate quickly, the previous evening and day probably had him exhausted and his mind off the debate. I also indicated wonder if the Obama camp didn't expect Romney to do the Gish gallop on live national television.  Other than that, I outright admitted Obama was firmly beaten  in the immediate context of the debate itself.

Of course, I also made it clear I felt Obama was playing rope-a-dope, letting Romney overplay his hand and make appeals to the center he would be unable to reconcile with earlier statements, shoot himself in the foot with his own Gish gallop, and ultimately build expectation for himself he would be unable to meet in future debates. I also said to expect much stronger performances from Obama in the second and third debates once the tenor and rhythm of the debates was set.

Then again I also made it clear that even at Obama's  lowest numbers, the best that could be said for the Romney camp was it looked for about a week he  might have  a viable path to victory, if the stars aligned and the electoral math came down in  just the right way. The 2012 election was a lock from day one, and even the appearance of "white knuckle" moments is just a gracious acknowledgement of the half-assed effort made by the Republican candidates to challenge Obama, let alone win.
 
2013-03-25 03:42:10 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: the opposite of charity is justice: For that matter, I didn't feel Romney did as bad as others thought in the next debates (except for the crushing "proceed, Governor" moment).

I dunno, the "horses and bayonets" comment from Obama was pretty damning too.  It really underscored that Romney failed to grasp the realities of modern military strategy (read: intelligence, SEALs, and drones).


But then I had to hear a load of Tea Morons on facebook post pictures of bayonets. Like Romney, the reference and the context flew over their heads and right out their retarded little window.
 
2013-03-25 03:56:39 PM  

Lando Lincoln: enry: gingerjet: /and referencing Maddow does not help your argument

Explain

Because she's the libbiest lib that ever libbed a lib and therefore she's a poopyface and she's dumb and she looks like a man and I hate her.


She's openly in the tank for Obama, its no different than trying to point to Fox "News" about Republican performance.  Talking heads are biased, not that big a surprise

Obama sucked so bad at the 1st debate he dropped to 70% chance against an idiot who caused multiple international incidents and had a running mate that referred to welfare recipients as moochers.  Had Obama kept doing that poorly he would have continued to drop to the point that he would have lost.
 
2013-03-25 03:57:03 PM  

whistleridge: But for two long weeks, every non-Republican I know would have been in utter despair if it hadn't been for that little number on the right of Nate Silver's blog. And the relief when that number started to go up again was like nothing I have ever experienced.


Yeah, no. For non-Republicans who watched cable news and didn't know how to interpret polling data, sure they might've been worried if they'd only listened to talking heads.

In "reality", rock bottom for the Obama campaign was an aggregate Obama lead in Ohio  inside the margin of error. Without Ohio, Romney would have to clean-sweep every other swing state -- including the ones that had consistently polled outside the MoE for Obama -- and that was never, ever going to happen. Even  with Ohio, Romney would have had to win a commanding victory inside the swing states to pull 270 electoral votes which was  highly unlikely.

There's a reason every news network including Fox called the election for Obama as soon as Ohio was called, and that's it. The electoral math didn't, and never did even at his peak polling numbers, add up for Romney. The Weeners-debate "freefall" for the Obama campaign resulted in Romney having  a chance, however unlikely, of victory. Think about that.
 
2013-03-25 04:06:13 PM  
She's openly in the tank for Women's rights, Equal treatment of homosexuals under the law, and corporate accountability


Fixed.
 
2013-03-25 04:08:12 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: HMS_Blinkin: the opposite of charity is justice: For that matter, I didn't feel Romney did as bad as others thought in the next debates (except for the crushing "proceed, Governor" moment).

I dunno, the "horses and bayonets" comment from Obama was pretty damning too.  It really underscored that Romney failed to grasp the realities of modern military strategy (read: intelligence, SEALs, and drones).

I think that I literally got up at that moment and started to do the crotch chop. It was done as far as I was concerned.


I had some hardcore right winger veterans claim he was an idiot for the comment, because they had bayonets in iraq, and Obama was a moron for saying we had boats that sailed below the water.  Keep in mind, no navy vet woudl ever call a submarine a ship.  To these guys, boats were small vessels like bass boats, and navy vessels were universally ships.

I made sure to block all their posts after that one.  they seemed to think anecdote and personal experience dictated reality for the whole of the military.
 
2013-03-25 04:08:19 PM  
With friends like these the Republicans will be very lucky to have any kind of a future.

Connecticut Senators Send NRA Chief Wayne LaPierre A Scathing Letter About Robocalling Newtown Residents

"Robocalling members of the Newtown community to promote your agenda less than 100 days after the horrific shooting is absolutely beyond the pale," Murphy and Blumenthal wrote in the letter. "Again, we call on you to show some basic decency and cease and desist these calls."
 
2013-03-25 04:10:35 PM  
I always believed that the American people are not stupid enough to vote for Romney.

Just like they didn't vote for Bush.

Three times.
 
2013-03-25 04:12:14 PM  

hubiestubert: In all honesty, Romney's biggest enemy has been himself. For most of his career. He isn't a likable human being. He is fairly honest about him coming to the table to give folks stuff, and that is exactly what he has done. With UMaine.


This came up with my family awhile back, and I was trying to find any sort of public articles about his interactions with UMaine.  Do you have anything from then?
 
2013-03-25 04:14:13 PM  

that bosnian sniper: whistleridge: But for two long weeks, every non-Republican I know would have been in utter despair if it hadn't been for that little number on the right of Nate Silver's blog. And the relief when that number started to go up again was like nothing I have ever experienced.

Yeah, no. For non-Republicans who watched cable news and didn't know how to interpret polling data, sure they might've been worried if they'd only listened to talking heads.

In "reality", rock bottom for the Obama campaign was an aggregate Obama lead in Ohio  inside the margin of error. Without Ohio, Romney would have to clean-sweep every other swing state -- including the ones that had consistently polled outside the MoE for Obama -- and that was never, ever going to happen. Even  with Ohio, Romney would have had to win a commanding victory inside the swing states to pull 270 electoral votes which was  highly unlikely.

There's a reason every news network including Fox called the election for Obama as soon as Ohio was called, and that's it. The electoral math didn't, and never did even at his peak polling numbers, add up for Romney. The Weeners-debate "freefall" for the Obama campaign resulted in Romney having  a chance, however unlikely, of victory. Think about that.


What was depressing that even after all the fark ups Romney's campaign did that in an ideal world would have resulted him losing 100% even before the first debate, one bad debate by Obama gave concern that Romney had this won. It didnt make sense. It was talked about as if Obama mooned the audience during the debates or flipped everyone off that that it was such a disaster. By the way this was felt, you would think the first debate was Obama's tank or potatoe moment.

Sometimes it feels like trying any degree of going left in this country is like climbing a steep mountain: you need to constantly do well, always be on your toes and put in more effort . One stumble and all of a sudden the country votes GOP.
 
2013-03-25 04:17:28 PM  

GAT_00: BunkoSquad: That's weird, because journalists are interested in the truth and not just driving rating and selling cars, and they said all along it was going to be a really close race.

Let's not pretend that the first debate wasn't a farkup of epic proportions. Everyone was trying to whitewash during the entire debate that it wasn't that bad, and I was about the only one that called it right: up to a 4 point loss.


Romney pulled as far to the center as he possible could in that debate. He couldn't stay there without losing some of his base. It was a well-done debate on Romney's part, but that was his full salvo of 'acceptable'. He couldn't maintain it. It was a blip.
 
2013-03-25 04:19:09 PM  
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2013-03-25 04:20:29 PM  

NeverDrunk23: that bosnian sniper: whistleridge: But for two long weeks, every non-Republican I know would have been in utter despair if it hadn't been for that little number on the right of Nate Silver's blog. And the relief when that number started to go up again was like nothing I have ever experienced.

Yeah, no. For non-Republicans who watched cable news and didn't know how to interpret polling data, sure they might've been worried if they'd only listened to talking heads.

In "reality", rock bottom for the Obama campaign was an aggregate Obama lead in Ohio  inside the margin of error. Without Ohio, Romney would have to clean-sweep every other swing state -- including the ones that had consistently polled outside the MoE for Obama -- and that was never, ever going to happen. Even  with Ohio, Romney would have had to win a commanding victory inside the swing states to pull 270 electoral votes which was  highly unlikely.

There's a reason every news network including Fox called the election for Obama as soon as Ohio was called, and that's it. The electoral math didn't, and never did even at his peak polling numbers, add up for Romney. The Weeners-debate "freefall" for the Obama campaign resulted in Romney having  a chance, however unlikely, of victory. Think about that.

What was depressing that even after all the fark ups Romney's campaign did that in an ideal world would have resulted him losing 100% even before the first debate, one bad debate by Obama gave concern that Romney had this won. It didnt make sense. It was talked about as if Obama mooned the audience during the debates or flipped everyone off that that it was such a disaster. By the way this was felt, you would think the first debate was Obama's tank or potatoe moment.

Sometimes it feels like trying any degree of going left in this country is like climbing a steep mountain: you need to constantly do well, always be on your toes and put in more effort . One stumble and all of a sudden the country votes GOP.


It might help if there actually was going left and Obama had things to stand on like breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks or making a dent in wealth inequality. Part of the problem is that, in a vacuum, Obama and Romney are nearly damned indistinguishable from each other politically. Hell, their signature legislative achievements are the same thing.
 
2013-03-25 04:30:57 PM  

vharshyde: She's openly in the tank for Women's rights, Equal treatment of homosexuals under the law, and corporate accountability


Fixed.


Just because she for stuff you like doesn't mean she isn't a blatantly biased source for certain thing.  She's an editorial commentator, its her freaking job to be biased and pro-Obama is one of those thing
 
2013-03-25 04:37:38 PM  

ShadowKamui: She's openly in the tank for Obama, its no different than trying to point to Fox "News" about Republican performance.


No, it is. It really is.
 
2013-03-25 04:45:19 PM  

trotsky: HMS_Blinkin: the opposite of charity is justice: For that matter, I didn't feel Romney did as bad as others thought in the next debates (except for the crushing "proceed, Governor" moment).

I dunno, the "horses and bayonets" comment from Obama was pretty damning too.  It really underscored that Romney failed to grasp the realities of modern military strategy (read: intelligence, SEALs, and drones).

But then I had to hear a load of Tea Morons on facebook post pictures of bayonets. Like Romney, the reference and the context flew over their heads and right out their retarded little window.


What is the sound of a facebook posting, anyway?

I can pick out any number of things that are wrong with the tea party folks. They're willfully ignorant, and often totally unaware of how bigoted they sound. They don't seem to understand that my reverence for the flag means I don't turn it into a pair of shorts and leave skidmarks on the inside of it.

On the other hand, I've got a retarded relative. He can be challenging at times, but he always clears his plate at dinner, is friendly to strangers (people usually seem to understand), and he always wants to know how everyone is feeling. As many times as I've gotten angry with him for doing something that's annoyed me, I honestly can't think of a single time he's gotten mad at me.

To be perfectly honest, I find it a little offensive to have him compared to the average tea party activist, and I wish people wouldn't do so.
 
2013-03-25 04:53:42 PM  

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lol so awesome. I liked this guys predictions too, especially since he attacked Nate Silver in every thread. He stopped posting though out of shame.
 
2013-03-25 04:53:57 PM  

ShadowKamui: She's openly in the tank for Obama, its no different than trying to point to Fox "News" about Republican performance. Talking heads are biased, not that big a surprise


There is a gigantic difference between Maddow and say, someone like Krauthammer.

After the first debate, Maddow was highly critical of Obama.  shiat, even Bill Maher, who actually donated a million of his own dough, was highly critical of Obama.  I think the way he put it was "he looked like he took my million and spent it on weed".

Regardless of how in the tank Maddow and Bill Maher may be for Obama, they still chose to trust their eyes and ears and acknowledged that he just didn't do well in that debate.  It was that awful and yeah, he probably would not have been able to sustain many more performances like that.

FOX News, on the other hand, is just propaganda.  Nobody can deny that conversely, Biden handed Paul Ryan his ass on a platter, and instead of acknowledging and undeniably bad performance by Ryan, they blamed everyone and everything else.  One FOX commentator went as far as speculating that Biden's more pugnacious moments were an onset of dementia.  It was complete horseshiat.
 
2013-03-25 04:56:11 PM  
what_now:

I know, I know, Nate Silver is gay and his numbers are all retarded, but honestly the only thing that debate did was make Obama work harder. It was the "Crime. Boy I don't know" of the election season.

Thank you for the West Wing reference. If I recall, the remark was taken by President Bartlet to infer that his opponent was terribly tone-deaf on important issues. (Wasn't it uttered in reaction to some question about the assassination attempt?)
 
2013-03-25 05:00:51 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Thank you for the West Wing reference. If I recall, the remark was taken by President Bartlet to infer that his opponent was terribly tone-deaf on important issues. (Wasn't it uttered in reaction to some question about the assassination attempt?)


The President had just told Gov. Ritchie, his opponent, that the Secret Service agent guarding CJ had just been shot and killed when he walked into a Quik-e-mart robbery. "Crime. Boy, I don't know," was Ritchie's dumbass reaction.
 
2013-03-25 05:08:51 PM  
Thanks, Bunko. I stand corrected. I had forgotten about the other terrible shooting that hit close to home.
 
2013-03-25 05:18:12 PM  

ShadowKamui: She's an editorial commentator, its her freaking job to be biased and pro-Obama is one of those thing



Not exactly. I think a better comparison would be to pre-1992 Limbaugh -- someone with a definite viewpoint, aligned more or less with a particular political party and presidential ticket, without any noticeable influence in the highest levels of the party; but rather an obvious desire to move public opinion (and therefore the political party) in closer alignment with the way she thinks.

/and with fine cocktails instead of cigars
//and education well beyond a couple semesters of junior college
///and without Limbaugh's annoying habit of beating you over the head with a joke over and over and over and over
 
2013-03-25 05:25:27 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: GAT_00: BunkoSquad: That's weird, because journalists are interested in the truth and not just driving rating and selling cars, and they said all along it was going to be a really close race.

Let's not pretend that the first debate wasn't a farkup of epic proportions. Everyone was trying to whitewash during the entire debate that it wasn't that bad, and I was about the only one that called it right: up to a 4 point loss.

That's not quite how I remember it.  I recall quite a bit of criticism leveled against Obama.


What he said
 
2013-03-25 05:35:10 PM  
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2013-03-25 05:37:45 PM  

The WindowLicker: hubiestubert: In all honesty, Romney's biggest enemy has been himself. For most of his career. He isn't a likable human being. He is fairly honest about him coming to the table to give folks stuff, and that is exactly what he has done. With UMaine.

This came up with my family awhile back, and I was trying to find any sort of public articles about his interactions with UMaine.  Do you have anything from then?


He was on the Board back before he headed to Utah for the Olympics. I was in student government back in those days at UMF and had to attend a few events with the Board in tow. He was one of the folks who pulled for UMF's Michael Orrenduff to be Chancellor for the UMaine system, pro tem, and Iron Mike got the most no confidence votes from campuses in the history of the UMaine system. It was a very bad time for UMaine, and in part, because Iron Mike was pretty much in the tank for the Board entirely, and pretty much had given up on anything like the faculty or students. A lot of proposed buildings, none of which were necessary, but the got money to contractors. Stuff that got built was only for current need, which necessitated even larger outlays to expand down the road. It was a fairly bad period for the whole UMaine system. Everyone was pretty glad when Romney decided to bag it and head to Utah. His involvement wasn't constant--Board members aren't exactly held to sitting up in Maine constantly, but he led the charge on a lot of issues to get university money into hot little hands with building contracts, and in now the university related to their faculty. And students.

Oddly enough, this was about the same period when I was in school with Dean Chambers. Yes, Tubby McCrankypants. He was tangentially involved with student government with his American Spectator, which eventually lost funding from the university for violating a few bylaws for student organizations. He was always a sort of creepy douche, from the fasces on the logo of his Spectator, to the virulent and hawkish views for the Gulf War that he spewed on his show at WUMF, which I had to follow for a couple of seasons. Dean was always a sort of broken creature, and especially known for his love of Rush Limbaugh, and his inability to score with women, and thus his neigh palpable hatred of them. Then again, he was always sort of a fat kid, so it's at least understandable why he skewed that way...

Dean, of course, loved Mitt and his involvement. It was sort of embarrassing at events watching him slobber when he got to talk to the local movers and shakers. He also made meetings of the local GOP really uncomfortable at times. Almost as uncomfortable as watching him trying to chat up gals from the UMF dance troop while he was trying to interview them...
 
2013-03-25 05:39:48 PM  
The first debate is the only thing that created concern. After the second debate, things were back under control, and only Republicans and really, really scared liberals thought Romney/Ryan had a shot at winning.
 
2013-03-25 05:51:29 PM  

Jackpot777:


Oh man. Am I going to be associated with someone with GaryPDX-level infamy now?
 
2013-03-25 05:58:24 PM  

hubiestubert: In all honesty, Romney's biggest enemy has been himself.


You could say that about any candidate, especially George W. Bush.

Romeny's problem is that his campaign staff failed to anticipate what the attacks would be on Romney, specifically him being a plutocrat and his history at Bain. He got hit over and over again on these issues and never adequately responded.

The campaign also operated on gut rather than data, believing that the GOP hatred towards Obama was shared by Democrats and Independents to a much larger degree than any poll showed.

What should have they done differently? Clintonian triangulation. You can't beat an incumbent by being to the right/left of them on all issues. He needed to be on the left of Obama on one or two issues.
 
2013-03-25 05:59:04 PM  
The problem with Romney's first debate win was that it came from him literally flip-flopping on almost every issue he'd taken a stand on thus far.  He was trying to reinvent himself as a centrist on the debate stage.  And it totally shocked Obama, who was not expecting Romney to suddenly support rational decisions on anything.  So Romney came out of the debate looking very strong and people who didn't know him suddenly thought he was a calm, middle of the road candidate.

Unfortunately for Romney, he forgot about his rabid base, who quickly jumped on him for changing his mind on things, and to keep them (and his gravy train) going, he quickly "clarified" most of his positions.  It didn't much matter that he did this - the media was pouncing all over Obama and basically calling his election hopes dead in the water.

The big problem for Romney was that there were two more debates, and his side assumed people wouldn't watch them after the first.  They did...and Obama pointed out Romney's flip-flopping and exposed Romney's blatant anti-middle class positions.  And Romney blew a fuse.  He kept making error after error, some because he couldn't seem to stay on script, some because he was trying to mollify the extremists known as the Republican base.

But if you want the truth, Romney never really had a chance after the 47% video.  That was the end of his presidential dreams, because it exposed him for what he was, an out of touch plutocrat who had never had to work for anything in his life, and would cater only to the wealthy.  That video sank him more than anything else.  Without it, he might have pulled it out, but knocking out the incumbent isn't an easy job, especially when times are bad and everyone, even your own side, blames your party for causing all the problems.
 
2013-03-25 06:36:56 PM  

NateGrey: Jackpot777: [i301.photobucket.com image 750x574][i301.photobucket.com image 750x600]

lol so awesome. I liked this guys predictions too, especially since he attacked Nate Silver in every thread. He stopped posting though out of shame.


My guess is that he and a bunch of others stopped posting because the RNC and/or the Romney campaign stopped paying them to post.
 
2013-03-25 06:42:44 PM  

bronyaur1: NateGrey: Jackpot777: [i301.photobucket.com image 750x574][i301.photobucket.com image 750x600]

lol so awesome. I liked this guys predictions too, especially since he attacked Nate Silver in every thread. He stopped posting though out of shame.

My guess is that he and a bunch of others stopped posting because the RNC and/or the Romney campaign stopped paying them to post.


What's the end game for paid posts though? Converting farkers? If you confront anyone on their opinion, they're most likely to stand their ground or double down. Or was it meant as a beacon of hope to other conservatives? "See, there are a lot of us out there, stay the course."
 
2013-03-25 07:06:21 PM  

Decillion: What's the end game for paid posts though? Converting farkers? If you confront anyone on their opinion, they're most likely to stand their ground or double down. Or was it meant as a beacon of hope to other conservatives? "See, there are a lot of us out there, stay the course."


I think with Conservatives in particular, definitely the latter.  They're big on pretending even their most irrational positions - like opposition to gay marriage and birth control - are somehow held by the majority of Americans.
 
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