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2013-03-25 10:55:01 AM
Another war sounds like a swell idea, can we invite Iran too?
 
2013-03-25 10:55:51 AM
US gets pyong and South Korea gets yang

Theres nothing else to bomb.
 
2013-03-25 10:56:48 AM
Meh. The North ain't doin' squat. Ain't gonna happen. And if it ain'tn't happenin', we ain't gonna roll North.
 
2013-03-25 10:58:13 AM
Forward observation post:

www.proprofs.com
 
2013-03-25 11:06:44 AM
Can't wait for the Chinese to tell us that this is merely provoking North Korea.
 
2013-03-25 11:07:15 AM
If anything, china would invade the north
 
2013-03-25 11:08:50 AM

soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north


That would be my plan. Just offer a few billion to China to roll south and turn Best Korea into a Best Buy factory.
 
2013-03-25 11:09:37 AM

soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north


i've read that alot here. why would china be the one to attack best korea?
would that benefit us (the U.S.) if we let them do it?
 
2013-03-25 11:11:44 AM

r1niceboy: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

That would be my plan. Just offer a few billion to China to roll south and turn Best Korea into a Best Buy factory.


I'll third that.  It would be much better to just pay China to take care of their wayward retarded child.
 
2013-03-25 11:12:16 AM
Didn't they watch that video?  We have to defend the HOMELAND!  Best Korea plans to ATTACK NEW YORK CITY!  Their Best Korean military will absolutely TROUNCE the US!
 
2013-03-25 11:13:22 AM

Citrate1007: Another war sounds like a swell idea, can we invite Iran too?


Iran and Syria will come in good time friend.  All in the bucket list of the US of A.

/lets just hope this isn't the whole bucket.
 
2013-03-25 11:14:56 AM

r1niceboy: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

That would be my plan. Just offer a few billion to China to roll south and turn Best Korea into a Best Buy factory.


From a U.S. perspective that would actually be pretty good. Sure China is commie, but they are NEVER unreasonable. You can talk to China, you can negotiate with China. They're happy to strike a mutually beneficial deal. Korean province of China would be pretty decent. But China doesn't want that. At this point, I'm not even sure worst Korea wants that. A little bit of extra land for the 3rd or 4th largest country by land mass in the world, but it comes with a built in humanitarian crisis, a brainwashed population unwilling to accept that their lies have fallen apart? No thanks. Who would want that?
 
2013-03-25 11:17:57 AM

Freakin Rican: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

i've read that alot here. why would china be the one to attack best korea?
would that benefit us (the U.S.) if we let them do it?


Don't be surprised if they've been thinking about it. They've already started re-writing history and claiming large parts of North Korea as having been part of China in the past - which is a gross distortion of the truth.
 
2013-03-25 11:18:57 AM
If China wants to protect its investment (American money) they are best to attack and nutralize Best Korea, this would be in their best interest to keep the region stable. After all their economy is mainly counterfeit dvds and knock offs of every electrionics there is.
 
2013-03-25 11:19:35 AM
Where I come from, we call that "Calling Dibs"
 
2013-03-25 11:21:57 AM
I think China may have a vested interest in preventing millions of Korean refugees, especially those that need to be re-programmed.  Given that a huge influx of desperate starving people who no longer have a functional government probably don't have an interest in existing laws, and crime rates are certain to skyrocket in eastern and northeastern China, as well as a food crisis and other such problems...China is probably not going to sit by and let NK become aggressive enough to warrant military intervention.
 
2013-03-25 11:22:22 AM

FatherChaos: Didn't they watch that video?  We have to defend the HOMELAND!  Best Korea plans to ATTACK NEW YORK CITY!  Their Best Korean military will absolutely TROUNCE the US!


Yes, our anti-aircraft batteries won't know what to do with paratroopers. I kinda feel story for those guys.
 
2013-03-25 11:26:24 AM

Freakin Rican: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

i've read that alot here. why would china be the one to attack best korea?
would that benefit us (the U.S.) if we let them do it?


Everything. NK is a dead market. Their economy can't afford squat. If China steam rolled NK, they open up a capitalist market for million of Chinese consumer goods, parts and military hardware. Plus, they'd heal tensions with South Korea, and set the stage for long term domination of the region. I'd have to agree. It's only a matter of time before China takes the step, unitlateraly, to aid the United States and the rest of the world by strategically moving against a backwards, third world, highly unstable military power. And China, my dear friend, is very very good at the long game.
 
2013-03-25 11:44:04 AM
Don't worry, Kim is prepared.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-25 11:44:49 AM

Freakin Rican: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

i've read that alot here. why would china be the one to attack best korea?
would that benefit us (the U.S.) if we let them do it?


This is an interesting question.  I guess the question to ask would be, if the North Korean government fell would China prefer the US to expand its influence in the region or would it prefer piss of South Korea and take control of the North.  Plenty of undesirable choices to choose from.
 
2013-03-25 11:47:28 AM
So out there, right now, there might be a US military pilot who will fly combat missions over Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and NK over the course of a career. That would be quite a career.
 
2013-03-25 11:49:20 AM
This is one case where America should be talking tough, lil Bush style tough.  Even if we have no intention of doing anything in that crappy part of the world, if the Chinese felt we were serious they would likely take action on NK.
 
2013-03-25 11:52:33 AM

Cream of Meat: This is one case where America should be talking tough, lil Bush style tough.  Even if we have no intention of doing anything in that crappy part of the world, if the Chinese felt we were serious they would likely take action on NK.


That would be the same lil' Bush that said we would absolutely NOT tolerate a nuclear NK? Then they did it anyway and *crickets*. Yeah, tough talk there. Now if Obama were to get tough on them in his own way, that would be different. Obama's got that calm about him, almost like Christopher Walken. He doesn't talk tough, he just kills whoever he wants. That's... somewhat troubling in some ways but he does tend to get results.
 
2013-03-25 11:53:23 AM
Start war war with US and South.
Get China to send in troop, equipment, and money.
Profit.
 
2013-03-25 11:53:42 AM
Meanwhile,  because of communism their children get to eat gras to try and stay alive
 
2013-03-25 11:54:54 AM

soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north


Came here to say that.

Mao era China stepped in on NK's side in the war at a time when China could little afford to be doing things like that.  However, their aversion to having a powerful Western influence (USA) on their border "forced" them to help out.  North Korea has continued to play the part of buffer since then, but if they do something that could majorly destabilize the region, I am fairly certain that China will "stabilize" it for them, perhaps even unilaterally, though I hope it would be with diplomatic consultation or similar heads-up before hand.

I think the best of all possible reactions to severe provocation from NK would be a pre-planned joint effort between the US and China.  I don't think it would be allowed that the US and SK go and "liberate" the North, but perhaps China could invade and topple the Kim regime - after the US officially huffs and puffs for a while, then an international aid and recovery effort could begin, perhaps with China helping to set up an officially not democratic, not capitalist government that could morph into exactly those things over time.

In fact, I think it would be foolish for the US and China to not already have such a secret plan in place to deal with NK.  I hope they do.  Unfortunately, I suspect the plan that *is* in place is between NK and China and just guarantees the status quo.
 
2013-03-25 12:00:43 PM
thanks for the answers guys. i always thought it was an interesting comment when i would read it. would the US allow that? how would it benefit that region? what would happen with the people? who now would feed them? would best korea become a sort of welfare state to china or would Worst korea absurb them and become one. just alot of interesting thoughts and questions arise from the subject. of course asking you guys i can get some great answers.
 
2013-03-25 12:04:15 PM
China already has a technique in place to manage extraterritorial "provinces". The SAR plan. Hong Kong and Macau are both SARs - Special Administrative Regions - and they maintain a veneer or autonomy well enough, especially in the money/trade sectors of public life. Hell, China has an internal version of this, the NEZ - New Economic Zones - which is where they make all out shiat. They're fenced off nations-within-nations, or more precisely, economies-within-economies.

Korea will just become on of these, if China "invades" (They'd probably just do it with Spec Ops teams 1st, propagandists 2nd. Hell, the best CoD in the gaming history would be playing as a Chinese Spec Ops goon, infiltrating NorKor to take control of their nukes against a ticking clock. Even though consoles are illegal in China.
 
2013-03-25 12:08:13 PM

RatOmeter: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

Came here to say that.

Mao era China stepped in on NK's side in the war at a time when China could little afford to be doing things like that.  However, their aversion to having a powerful Western influence (USA) on their border "forced" them to help out.  North Korea has continued to play the part of buffer since then, but if they do something that could majorly destabilize the region, I am fairly certain that China will "stabilize" it for them, perhaps even unilaterally, though I hope it would be with diplomatic consultation or similar heads-up before hand.

I think the best of all possible reactions to severe provocation from NK would be a pre-planned joint effort between the US and China.  I don't think it would be allowed that the US and SK go and "liberate" the North, but perhaps China could invade and topple the Kim regime - after the US officially huffs and puffs for a while, then an international aid and recovery effort could begin, perhaps with China helping to set up an officially not democratic, not capitalist government that could morph into exactly those things over time.

In fact, I think it would be foolish for the US and China to not already have such a secret plan in place to deal with NK.  I hope they do.  Unfortunately, I suspect the plan that *is* in place is between NK and China and just guarantees the status quo.


I suspect Kim would be removed in a coup shortly after it became apparent that war with the South and the United States was becoming inevitable.  There's no way China wouldn't sacrifice the Kim regime if the only other option was to start shooting at their biggest trading partner (the US).  That's bad for business typically.

If a coup happened you'd likely find the leaders to be make some fairly reasonable public statements internationally and they'd have close ties with Beijing.   Then the big job of reforming NK society and the economy starts without the Chinese having to take complete responsibility.  NK would still have a working government and infrastructure (to the extent that they have now anyway) and changes could be implemented by the internal government as opposed to imposed by an outside power.  They'd still have their buffer and client state, but without all the mad dog issues the current regime brings.
 
2013-03-25 12:08:46 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Meanwhile,  because of communism their children get to eat gras to try and stay alive


China is communist, their people don't eat grass to survive. Let's be clear here, while the rhetoric is vaguely communist, DPRK is purely despotism.
 
2013-03-25 12:09:25 PM
One more thing... if there is no more North Korea that the US needs to help protect the South against, there is (eventually) no more reason for the US to have a military presence on the peninsula.  China is not the same ideology led country it was in Mao's time, nor the same self-isolated country that it was then and before.  They are now a world power of undeniably capitalistic might and there should be no reason for them to fear a united, democratic, capitalistic Korea that has no American guns in sight.
 
2013-03-25 12:12:27 PM

RatOmeter: One more thing... if there is no more North Korea that the US needs to help protect the South against, there is (eventually) no more reason for the US to have a military presence on the peninsula.  China is not the same ideology led country it was in Mao's time, nor the same self-isolated country that it was then and before.  They are now a world power of undeniably capitalistic might and there should be no reason for them to fear a united, democratic, capitalistic Korea that has no American guns in sight.


Good point. Intervention is win-win, in this case. Besides, a China-influenced NKorea will help Beijing encircle their main rival in the area - Japan. With America out of SKorea, they can focus on Taiwan while browbeating the Japanese.

Too much Civ.
 
2013-03-25 12:13:36 PM

trackerbri: If a coup happened you'd likely find the leaders to be make some fairly reasonable public statements internationally and they'd have close ties with Beijing. Then the big job of reforming NK society and the economy starts without the Chinese having to take complete responsibility. NK would still have a working government and infrastructure (to the extent that they have now anyway) and changes could be implemented by the internal government as opposed to imposed by an outside power. They'd still have their buffer and client state, but without all the mad dog issues the current regime brings.


I think you've nailed it.
 
2013-03-25 12:27:01 PM

RatOmeter: One more thing... if there is no more North Korea that the US needs to help protect the South against, there is (eventually) no more reason for the US to have a military presence on the peninsula.  China is not the same ideology led country it was in Mao's time, nor the same self-isolated country that it was then and before.  They are now a world power of undeniably capitalistic might and there should be no reason for them to fear a united, democratic, capitalistic Korea that has no American guns in sight.


I don't see how China would fear that in the slightest. Who makes a better neighboring country? A despot with nothing but a pissant nuclear program, or a thriving industrial base like Worst Korea? The U.S. would absolutely close up shop there and hit the road. Everybody wins. Except, you know, those killed in the brief but possibly nasty war that it would take to get to that point.
 
2013-03-25 12:28:45 PM
We have a great chance to make a good example of NK. A low yield tactical nuclear attack on their nuclear development and testing facility, would send a strong message to Iran to knock it off.
 
2013-03-25 12:37:48 PM

Citrate1007: Another war sounds like a swell idea, can we invite Iran too?


This war never ended.

Myself, I'm cool with a limited joint response by South Korea and the U.S. against North Korea.

Enough of this North Korean bullshiat of sinking ships, shelling islands, sending influtration teams, murdering South Korean civilians and military personnel.

Take out some of their shiat instead of taking their little pricks now and then.

/Did two tours in Korea.
 
2013-03-25 12:43:19 PM

indarwinsshadow: And China, my dear friend, is very very good at the long game.


China is the best at the long game.
 
2013-03-25 12:45:28 PM
I think all of the main points were summarized above.

The only thing I'd add is this: the likelihood of war or invasion is dependent on how much Lil Kim believes the propaganda. No fact-based scenario ends well for Best Korea... Unless your "facts" include nonsense about divine guarantees for success, ethnocentric superiority complexes, and an intentional ignorance of the geopolitical map.

Countries don't often actively pick fights that they can't win. Lil Kim is. He's either very delusional or is the best goddamned super villain in American history. I'm banking on delusional.
 
2013-03-25 12:53:31 PM

vygramul: Meh. The North ain't doin' squat. Ain't gonna happen. And if it ain'tn't happenin', we ain't gonna roll North.


This. Calm the fark down everyone.
 
2013-03-25 01:02:50 PM
My friends and I have a saying..."Crazy always trumps brute strength."
 
2013-03-25 01:06:22 PM
It is about time we the west invited China to take control by any means necessary.
 
2013-03-25 01:07:05 PM

nekom: r1niceboy: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

That would be my plan. Just offer a few billion to China to roll south and turn Best Korea into a Best Buy factory.

From a U.S. perspective that would actually be pretty good. Sure China is commie, but they are NEVER unreasonable. You can talk to China, you can negotiate with China. They're happy to strike a mutually beneficial deal. Korean province of China would be pretty decent. But China doesn't want that. At this point, I'm not even sure worst Korea wants that. A little bit of extra land for the 3rd or 4th largest country by land mass in the world, but it comes with a built in humanitarian crisis, a brainwashed population unwilling to accept that their lies have fallen apart? No thanks. Who would want that?


China would probably wake up one fine day and find that it had absorbed 25,000,000 terrorists.
 
2013-03-25 01:07:49 PM
Like a kid who has been appeased over and over, NK will keep ratcheting up tensions until they get the cookie.

Sink a ship, shell a border town, et cetera.  Eventually they will get their way and we will have a year of no news until they want another cookie.
 
2013-03-25 01:12:23 PM

Gergesa: Freakin Rican: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

i've read that alot here. why would china be the one to attack best korea?
would that benefit us (the U.S.) if we let them do it?

This is an interesting question.  I guess the question to ask would be, if the North Korean government fell would China prefer the US to expand its influence in the region or would it prefer piss of South Korea and take control of the North.  Plenty of undesirable choices to choose from.


How about a joint caretaker government run by representatives from both South Korea and China? And set up a massive medical/education/food program funded by China, SK, Japan (who is at least partially responsible for the whole mess, anyway) and the US.

In other words, approach the whole issue like problem-solving adults.
 
2013-03-25 01:41:34 PM

nekom: Clemkadidlefark: Meanwhile,  because of communism their children get to eat gras to try and stay alive

China is communist, their people don't eat grass to survive. Let's be clear here, while the rhetoric is vaguely communist, DPRK is purely despotism.


Sigh. First, China is NOT Communist. If you know anything about Marxist theory you would know this. China is a totalitarian Socialist nation morphing rapidly into an authoritarian Corporate Socialist nation. Rather like, in fact, what the US is approaching from the other direction.

Modern industrial civilization is too complex, knowledge-based and "fast" to be managed efficiently by a massive centralized authority. The Socialist systems in the old USSR and China under Mao are cases in point: attempts to set prices and production quantities from "top-down" edicts all failed dismally. Allowing a market system to operate, where prices and production are set by aggregated supply/demand was eventually adopted by the USSR and the PRC. The natural progression of the new policies is, initially, government run "companies" where the local managers essentially act as owners; and finally, the actual emergence of privately owned companies, where the ownership interests also have policy input into the authoritarian centralized government.

In the United States and Western Europe, the process is basically the reverse. Government grows in scope and power and private interests, in self-defense and/or to gain competitive advantage, insert themselves into the decision-making processes.

Unless something massively changes, the end result may very well be a kind of Global Corporate Feudal State where political power is based on ownership shares. Viewed from a purely functional and amoral perspective, that actually makes as much or more sense than the current systems.
 
2013-03-25 01:46:29 PM

Freakin Rican: soupafi: If anything, china would invade the north

i've read that alot here. why would china be the one to attack best korea?
would that benefit us (the U.S.) if we let them do it?


Nah, China would be better off letting us waste our PetroDollars on North Korea.
They would just use insurgency to cost  mo billions and billions.
 
2013-03-25 02:03:01 PM

Medic Zero: vygramul: Meh. The North ain't doin' squat. Ain't gonna happen. And if it ain'tn't happenin', we ain't gonna roll North.

This. Calm the fark down everyone.


I never thought I'd get a "this" for a post that included "ain'tn't".
 
2013-03-25 02:17:32 PM
I think that NK is going to find that their troops and guns are facing the wrong direction and lined up on the wrong end of their country.
 
2013-03-25 02:18:52 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nekom: Clemkadidlefark: Meanwhile,  because of communism their children get to eat gras to try and stay alive

China is communist, their people don't eat grass to survive. Let's be clear here, while the rhetoric is vaguely communist, DPRK is purely despotism.

Sigh. First, China is NOT Communist. If you know anything about Marxist theory you would know this. China is a totalitarian Socialist nation morphing rapidly into an authoritarian Corporate Socialist nation. Rather like, in fact, what the US is approaching from the other direction.

Modern industrial civilization is too complex, knowledge-based and "fast" to be managed efficiently by a massive centralized authority. The Socialist systems in the old USSR and China under Mao are cases in point: attempts to set prices and production quantities from "top-down" edicts all failed dismally. Allowing a market system to operate, where prices and production are set by aggregated supply/demand was eventually adopted by the USSR and the PRC. The natural progression of the new policies is, initially, government run "companies" where the local managers essentially act as owners; and finally, the actual emergence of privately owned companies, where the ownership interests also have policy input into the authoritarian centralized government.

In the United States and Western Europe, the process is basically the reverse. Government grows in scope and power and private interests, in self-defense and/or to gain competitive advantage, insert themselves into the decision-making processes.

Unless something massively changes, the end result may very well be a kind of Global Corporate Feudal State where political power is based on ownership shares. Viewed from a purely functional and amoral perspective, that actually makes as much or more sense than the current systems.


/subscribes to newsletter
 
2013-03-25 02:24:26 PM
How are we going to possibly beat North Korea, when all we have to eat is coffee made of melted snow?
 
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