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2013-03-25 09:54:00 AM  
Or Chrome.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 10:29:21 AM  
Browsers have lied about identity for over a decade because we still don't have capital punishment for web site administrators who use the user-agent header.
 
2013-03-25 11:04:57 AM  
There's no greater joy in life than having your workflow interrupted 17 times a day so that your browser can install its latest update.
 
2013-03-25 11:06:03 AM  
If it weren't for Microsoft's extreme arrogance they would have threw in the towel years ago on IE.
 
2013-03-25 11:14:59 AM  

MayoSlather: If it weren't for Microsoft's extreme arrogance they would have threw in the towel years ago on IE.


That and some of our government's legacy systems use IE6.

If MS has decided to not be pricks about standards and a few other things, IE wouldn't need a shiatpile of hacks and fixes to "make it work" like FF/Chrome do. If MS wasn't "convinced" that their standards are better than the W3C's (spoiler: they're not), and they'd instead made an MS browser that wasn't the bane of site-producers' lives, IE8, 9, 10, 11 (11? WTF, 10's not even out yet, and 9 just dropped like 6mos ago!) might not be seen as the coming of the apocalypse.

// does IE still have a vomit-inducing 40-some% of the US market share?
 
2013-03-25 11:19:39 AM  
WebKit has been using the words "like Gecko" for a long time now. It's more akin to lying and pretending to be Chrome/Safari than it is lying and pretending to be Firefox.

The word "Trident" is still in there, so most UA sniffers will probably catch that.

However the letters "MSIE" are not there, and "IE" is there instead. I think a lot of sniffers look explicitly for MSIE, so that's probably the change that will throw the existing UA sniffers off the most.
 
2013-03-25 11:20:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: (11? WTF, 10's not even out yet, and 9 just dropped like 6mos ago!)


IE10 was shipped with Windows 8 and is Windows 8 only.
 
2013-03-25 11:21:39 AM  
I can sometimes gather up some sympathy for Microsoft, at least for the people who work there. But on the issue of the pain that IE has given web developers for many years, I have nothing but contempt for them.
 
2013-03-25 11:23:31 AM  
I used to be a firefox fan, but their habit of disabling shiat 'for my own good' without asking me has soured me on em somewhat. I know what I'm doing, I don't need you nannying me.
 
2013-03-25 11:27:49 AM  

jonny_q: Dr Dreidel: (11? WTF, 10's not even out yet, and 9 just dropped like 6mos ago!)

IE10 was shipped with Windows 8 and is Windows 8 only.


It was just released to Microsoft update for Windows 7 a few weeks ago.
 
2013-03-25 11:33:23 AM  

jonny_q: Dr Dreidel: (11? WTF, 10's not even out yet, and 9 just dropped like 6mos ago!)

IE10 was shipped with Windows 8 and is Windows 8 only.


Well, I stand corrected.

// dubstep
// "and it feels like I am just too close to-"
// shutupshutUPSHUTUP
 
2013-03-25 11:33:36 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // does IE still have a vomit-inducing 40-some% of the US market share?


IIRC, Chrome has the largest market share now, but I could be wrong.
 
2013-03-25 11:33:58 AM  

7KQ201_McKittrick: I can sometimes gather up some sympathy for Microsoft


youmustbenewhere.jpg
 
2013-03-25 11:42:31 AM  
I was just on a website earlier today that can only be accessed with Internet Explorer 7 or 8.

The sad thing is, it's the Wisconsin State health care website.
 
2013-03-25 11:57:13 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I was just on a website earlier today that can only be accessed with Internet Explorer 7 or 8.

The sad thing is, it's the Wisconsin State health care website.


That is sad. Even the Canadian Revenue Agency (think IRS) supports us Firefox users. Move to Canada, we also have good cheese. Oh, and free health care, hurrah!
 
2013-03-25 12:05:08 PM  

WhippingBoy: There's no greater joy in life than having your workflow interrupted 17 times a day so that your browser can install its latest update.


No sh*t. That's why I quit using Firefox a while back.
 
2013-03-25 12:07:42 PM  

Dr Dreidel: That and some of our government's legacy systems use IE6.


It's only within the last few months at work that IE 7 has been made available to install at work. Oddly enough, FF 10 is also available.
 
2013-03-25 12:12:02 PM  

xanadian: IIRC, Chrome has the largest market share now, but I could be wrong.


Depends whose numbers you use.  I've seen IE recently listed with a share as high as 55%, and others having Chrome leading around 40ish%.
 
2013-03-25 12:14:09 PM  
I'm not saying get off my lawn, but how about reversing the trend for more and more extreme web sites, I'm going back to featuring content over presentation? maybe make it easier for a browser to read a website, not harder.
 
2013-03-25 12:16:15 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: Vodka Zombie: I was just on a website earlier today that can only be accessed with Internet Explorer 7 or 8.

The sad thing is, it's the Wisconsin State health care website.

That is sad. Even the Canadian Revenue Agency (think IRS) supports us Firefox users. Move to Canada, we also have good cheese. Oh, and free health care, hurrah!


I wish I could.  I'd love to live up there.
 
2013-03-25 12:18:35 PM  
If firefox or chrome knew how to embed an activex control IE would die really fast.  It's the only reason that IE is used at all.
 
2013-03-25 12:27:07 PM  

xanadian: Or Chrome.


Or matxthon
 
2013-03-25 12:29:36 PM  
Instead of trying to figure out what browser user has and what works best with it, website developers should just use Flash for everything. Problem solved.
 
2013-03-25 12:38:58 PM  

finnished: Instead of trying to figure out what browser user has and what works best with it, website developers should just use Flash for everything. Problem solved.


i.imgur.com

Frowns on your shenanigans
 
2013-03-25 12:39:04 PM  

theresnothinglft: If firefox or chrome knew how to embed an activex control IE would die really fast.  It's the only reason that IE is used at all.


False. Nobody uses that crap. It has everything to do with what comes with Windows.
 
2013-03-25 12:39:35 PM  
I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST TOO CLOSE TO LOVE YOU

wub wub wub wub wub wub wub

/will perennially be linked with IE for me
 
2013-03-25 12:50:17 PM  

xanadian: Or Chrome.


No.
 
2013-03-25 12:50:17 PM  

kettir: I'm not saying get off my lawn, but how about reversing the trend for more and more extreme web sites, I'm going back to featuring content over presentation? maybe make it easier for a browser to read a website, not harder.


No shiat.  I don't need to find out the hard way my version of Flash is a week too old.

Vodka Zombie: I was just on a website earlier today that can only be accessed with Internet Explorer 7 or 8.


Yeah my work's website backdoor doesn't support FF, so whenever I want to log in and change something, I have to use IE.  Not that I'm super-anti IE, I'm just no longer in the habit of using it.

vudukungfu: xanadian: Or Chrome.  Or matxthon


I tried to migrate to Chrome, but of all the browsers you'd expect to have great media playback, it is the worst.
I only discovered Maxthon the other day, looking for something better than IE6 to use on a junky ol' 2kPro machine at work.  From what I read, it sorta uses's IE's guts, so I guess it's like a shell of some sort.  It worked pretty well.
 
2013-03-25 01:12:57 PM  
webspace.webring.com
The only browser I'll ever need.
 
2013-03-25 01:14:57 PM  

23FPB23: It worked pretty well.


I got turned on to it by the big sister of a kid who was in my boyscout troop back in the 70s on facebook.
I got hit by a bad chunk of warez and the only browser unaffected was Maxthon.
 
2013-03-25 01:45:43 PM  
Between .NET drones who shouldn't be programming in the first place, and hipster web designers who still spell Micro$oft with a dollar sign, there is no one browser that handles every site.
 
2013-03-25 01:49:24 PM  

MightyPez: jonny_q: Dr Dreidel: (11? WTF, 10's not even out yet, and 9 just dropped like 6mos ago!)

IE10 was shipped with Windows 8 and is Windows 8 only.

It was just released to Microsoft update for Windows 7 a few weeks.


And ever since I had emergency call after emergency call about it breaking someone's old javascript code and placement of objects on pages. IE10 has been nothing but a pain in the arse for people on Windows 7 that I work with.
 
2013-03-25 01:55:56 PM  

limeyfellow: MightyPez: jonny_q: Dr Dreidel: (11? WTF, 10's not even out yet, and 9 just dropped like 6mos ago!)

IE10 was shipped with Windows 8 and is Windows 8 only.

It was just released to Microsoft update for Windows 7 a few weeks.

And ever since I had emergency call after emergency call about it breaking someone's old javascript code and placement of objects on pages. IE10 has been nothing but a pain in the arse for people on Windows 7 that I work with.


Yeah, I certainly wouldn't want to be a web developer ina  shop that decided to roll out 10.

/We are still on 8 for the foreseeable future
 
2013-03-25 02:32:25 PM  

blue_2501: theresnothinglft: If firefox or chrome knew how to embed an activex control IE would die really fast.  It's the only reason that IE is used at all.

False. Nobody uses that crap. It has everything to do with what comes with Windows.


I think Group Policy, has something to do with why Business prefer using IE.
 
2013-03-25 02:38:33 PM  
We tend to buy from vendors who provide us systems that only work with IE.

It's maddening.
 
2013-03-25 03:14:54 PM  
Yeah, Opera has been doing this since Noah was a boy. Big deal.
 
2013-03-25 03:17:29 PM  
You kids and your fancy-pants "browsers." Back in my day we telneted into webservers and typed the headers manually, then parse the results in our minds.

And we liked it that way.
 
2013-03-25 03:42:25 PM  

blue_2501: False. Nobody uses that crap. It has everything to do with what comes with Windows.


Sarcastic, delusional, or blissfully ignorant?
 
2013-03-25 03:43:07 PM  

overfienduglar: blue_2501: theresnothinglft: If firefox or chrome knew how to embed an activex control IE would die really fast.  It's the only reason that IE is used at all.

False. Nobody uses that crap. It has everything to do with what comes with Windows.

I think Group Policy, has something to do with why Business prefer using IE.


Well the only reason I ever used it was because of a media server that only had an activex control to view its content.  That and every IP security camera that I used at my old job.  At the new one... i only used IE to install Firefox.
 
2013-03-25 04:00:07 PM  
MICROSOFT CHANGES ITS USER AGENT STRING TO "IE LIKE GECKO" OMG THE SKY IS FALLING
 
2013-03-25 04:02:57 PM  
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (none of your damned business; just give it me)
 
2013-03-25 04:03:57 PM  
Madbassist1: I used to be a firefox fan, but their habit of disabling shiat 'for my own good' without asking me has soured me on em somewhat. I know what I'm doing, I don't need you nannying me.

I disabled their ability to disable things, and all was right with the world once again.

BUT, I swear, there needs to be a "Pro" version of all software, for the people who know what the hell they're doing.

// I have a presentation laptop that I use at work, sometimes I have to run IE to visit some internal site that's IE specific. IE always warns about plugins potentially slowing the browser down.

The problem is, there's only one plugin installed ... and the only options the dialogue gives you is "Don't Disable" and "Ask me later", and they both do the same damn thing.
 
2013-03-25 04:23:54 PM  
Hate to say it, but FF is getting close to jumping the shark. With so many flash and silverlight errors and memory leaks, it's getting to windows-level-troubleshooting.

//that being said, still a FF user for a couple more versions most likely
 
2013-03-25 04:27:34 PM  
I stopped using Firefox cause it wouldn't support Illyriad for me anymore, and i'm farking addicted to that game. Chrome has no problem with it.
 
2013-03-25 04:35:34 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-25 06:14:57 PM  
xanadian * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-03-25 11:33:36 AM Dr Dreidel: // does IE still have a vomit-inducing 40-some% of the US market share? IIRC, Chrome has the largest market share now, but I could be wrong.
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It's down to 40% now?! Nice.
 
2013-03-25 06:56:55 PM  
Somaticasual,
Hate to say it, but FF is getting close to jumping the shark. With so many flash and silverlight errors and memory leaks, it's getting to windows-level-troubleshooting.
//that being said, still a FF user for a couple more versions most likely


I don't disagree with you that so many people are using it, it is closer to becoming nearly as unsafe as internet explorer. And running flash on it is a pain in the ass. Probably best to go to something a bit more obscure for general surfing.

But why TF would you run silverlight on firefox?

finnished: Instead of trying to figure out what browser user has and what works best with it, website developers should just use Flash for everything. Problem solved.

AS some who has to do most of work in a browser based app that is flash dependent, very bad idea.
 
2013-03-25 07:03:27 PM  
If websites did feature detection instead of browser sniffing, stupid things like this wouldn't be necessary.

Or, you know, all browsers could implement html the same way.
 
2013-03-25 07:38:15 PM  
So, they are finally giving up on embrace-extend-extinguish when it comes to web standards?

Sounds great, but I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-03-25 07:50:21 PM  

Enemabag Jones: But why TF would you run silverlight on firefox?


Netflix.
 
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