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(Portland Press Herald)   John Kerry Can't believe that Iraq is allowing Iran to fly weapons to Syria through its airspace "after all the American People have done to liberate" Iraq from Hussein. Also wants to know why Iraq keeps hitting itself   (pressherald.com ) divider line
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2013-03-25 09:50:43 AM  
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2013-03-25 09:59:41 AM  
DRTFA, but if you upset the Sunni minority and power and let the Iran-friendly Shias take over, this is a natural consequence.

Kerry, you and the rest of your pro-Iraq war buddies really have nobody to blame but yourselves.
 
2013-03-25 10:01:36 AM  
The surge worked. McCAIN just wants Hagel to admit it. Why won't he admit it? Please ADMIT IT!
 
2013-03-25 11:00:44 AM  
Okay, but seriously, they need to stop now and obviate the need for a no-fly zone over Syria. This isn't hard math.
 
2013-03-25 11:02:55 AM  
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2013-03-25 11:02:56 AM  
didn't we give Iraq Hussein in the first place?

A friend likened that 'liberation' to infecting someone with AIDS, then 'curing' them with leeches, chemo and radio therapy, 20 years later. (but only after the faith healers gave up hope)
 
2013-03-25 11:03:10 AM  
I'd imagine, because sooner or later we're leaving, but Iran with its functional military and ties to the Shias in southern Iraq will still be right next door...
 
2013-03-25 11:05:31 AM  
They have AR-15s, which means it is impossible for out government to do anything to them.
 
2013-03-25 11:06:54 AM  
umm... Americans aren't being harmed by Iranian weapons in Syria. Syrians are. Subby and Iraq, you suck.
 
2013-03-25 11:08:03 AM  
it's their country...they can do as they wish.
 
2013-03-25 11:09:15 AM  
Well...he IS a politician, nobody ever accused them of an overabundance of intelligence.

Why for are you keep hitting yourslelf??

Potatoe is spelled POTATOE, ask Dan Quayle.

Poritishuns is smrt.
 
2013-03-25 11:09:17 AM  
Because the whole region is a shiathole with corrupt leaders and monarchs who hide behind the mysterious ways of "Islam" to brainwash their people into doing terrible things to each other and foreigners?

The sooner we can become energy-independent and leave the whole area to burn itself down the better.  It's way past time to force Europe and the rest of the world to pay their freight and worry about their own problems.  We have enough of our own.
 
2013-03-25 11:09:18 AM  
"Stop doing that or we'll come down there and 'liberate' the shiat out of you again"
 
2013-03-25 11:11:12 AM  

uttertosh: didn't we give Iraq Hussein in the first place?


And overthrew Iran's democracy back in the 1950s.

The last thing the GOP wants you to know is that every last drop of seething hatred the Shia have for Americans is tragically justified, and we've managed to piss off the Kurds and Sunni as well.  I doubt there's a faction left that we haven't double-crossed.  Ousting the dictator that oppressed them for so long doesn't really count for many points considering we installed the asshole in the first place.  The sad thing is that it's that very whitewashing that makes most Americans oblivious to the crimes their country committed.
 
2013-03-25 11:11:24 AM  

uttertosh: A friend likened that 'liberation' to infecting someone with AIDS, then 'curing' them with leeches, chemo and radio therapy, 20 years later. (but only after the faith healers gave up hope)


Except for the part he left out.

The only reason we needed to do anything with Iraq at all to begin with is because Iran went from being a major US ally in the region to a major enemy and one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism after Jimmy Carter all but handed it to the Ayatollah on a silver platter.

If that hadn't there would have never been an Iran-Iraq war, and thus we would never have had to support Saddam as people like to keep reminding us we did.

Without that power, Saddam could have never invaded Kuwait in the early 90s and there would have never been a first gulf war.

Subsequently, there would have never been a second gulf war.

You don't like what's happening in the middle east now concerning Iran/Iraq? Be sure and write Jimmy Carter a thank you note.
 
2013-03-25 11:12:36 AM  

randomjsa: If that hadn't there would have never been


If that hadn't happened...

/needs more coffee
 
2013-03-25 11:12:39 AM  
stir22: "it's their country...they can do as they wish. "

And Kerry's comments are no different than the coded threats we lob at any ally.

/ except Israel, natch
 
2013-03-25 11:14:09 AM  
Some friends of middle east heritage tell me this, and I believe them,
"Our people believe that if you [US] are stupid enough to give us a ton of free stuff, why would we refuse. It does not obligate us to align ourselves with you [US] in business, religion, or moral beliefs. We love your money, but we will always support our neighbors first."
 
2013-03-25 11:15:55 AM  

dragonchild: uttertosh: didn't we give Iraq Hussein in the first place?

And overthrew Iran's democracy back in the 1950s.

The last thing the GOP wants you to know is that every last drop of seething hatred the Shia have for Americans is tragically justified, and we've managed to piss off the Kurds and Sunni as well.  I doubt there's a faction left that we haven't double-crossed.  Ousting the dictator that oppressed them for so long doesn't really count for many points considering we installed the asshole in the first place.  The sad thing is that it's that very whitewashing that makes most Americans oblivious to the crimes their country committed.


When did John Kerry join the GOP?
 
2013-03-25 11:15:59 AM  

randomjsa: You don't like what's happening in the middle east now concerning Iran/Iraq? Be sure and write Jimmy Carter a thank you note.


SO basically what you're saying is we should have started liberatin' em when they first started gettin uppity instead of waitn till now?
 
2013-03-25 11:17:20 AM  
Yeah, and I'd like to know why John Kerry thought shooting 10 year old Vietnamese kids in the back was ok. He's welcome to explain that to us before gasbagging on about Iraq.
 
2013-03-25 11:19:20 AM  
This is the strangest greeting as a liberator I have ever seen
 
2013-03-25 11:20:45 AM  

unyon: DRTFA, but if you upset the Sunni minority and power and let the Iran-friendly Shias take over, this is a natural consequence.

Kerry, you and the rest of your pro-Iraq war buddies really have nobody to blame but yourselves.


Give him some credit.  He was against the war before he was for it.
 
2013-03-25 11:21:15 AM  
Kerry needs to work on his "surprised" face, he's not convincing me that this wasn't an under the table agreement.
 
2013-03-25 11:21:36 AM  

randomjsa: The only reason we needed to do anything with Iraq at all to begin with is because Iran went from being a major US ally in the region to a major enemy and one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism after Jimmy Carter all but handed it to the Ayatollah on a silver platter.


Which wouldn't have happened if we hadn't, in turn, helped remove the democratically elected leader of Iran and replaced him with The Shah. Had that happened, the theocratic take over is Iran would be FAR less likely.

So the fault, apparently, goes back farther than Carter.
 
2013-03-25 11:21:53 AM  
"after all the American People have done to liberate"

This phrase appears no where in the article, wtf subby.  If they believe the traffic is to arm the Assad regime then nothing in that article is the least bit out of line.
 
2013-03-25 11:24:36 AM  

randomjsa: You don't like what's happening in the middle east now concerning Iran/Iraq? Be sure and write Jimmy Carter a thank you note.


Read up on Operation Ajax and get back to me.  The Shah was an asshole and maybe replacing him with the Ayatollah wasn't much of an upgrade (and certainly not in national security interests), but the country had had it with the Shah and all of this could've been prevented if Churchill and Ike hadn't conspired to take a giant turd that forever shiat-stained any notion that America was pro-democracy and just stayed the fark away from the place.  It was a democracy FFS!  Ever since Ike & the Brits farked up Iran, that place has been one giant ongoing clusterfark.
 
2013-03-25 11:24:44 AM  
We are still not a friend of the enemy who's enemies we have killed, we just made him a stronger enemy.

And the remnant enemies are teaming up against us.
 
2013-03-25 11:25:36 AM  

randomjsa: Jimmy Carter all but handed it to the Ayatollah on a silver platter


Not this shiat again.
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2013-03-25 11:30:47 AM  

randomjsa: Except for the part he left out.

The only reason we needed to do anything with Iraq at all to begin with is because Iran went from being a major US ally in the region to a major enemy and one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism after Jimmy Carter all but handed it to the Ayatollah on a silver platter.


Except for the part you left out... where the US had been farking around with Iran's internal politics for almost a quarter of a century by the time Carter was in office, going all the way back to Eisenhower. The Us supported an increasingly brutal dictatorship under the Shah so that the Iranian people already had a seething hatred of the US before Carter came into office. It all came to a head while Carter was in there, but multiple administrations, both Republican and Democrat, share the blame for turning that country against the US.
 
2013-03-25 11:30:48 AM  

Ned Stark: When did John Kerry join the GOP?


When he decided to run for President.  At that point pretty much any distinction that could've been made between the parties was splitting hairs.  Kerry may be a Dem, but the narrative on the Middle East is set by the GOP.

At the federal level, the U.S. hasn't had a liberal party to vote for in at least a generation -- look at how countries like Finland or Iceland run things.  The stuff they do over there (to great effect, I might add -- healthier economies, better schools, etc.) can't even get proposed in the Beltway.  With the exception of a some social issues that (to be fair) do matter, the Dems pretty much follow the GOP on anything pertaining to economics or national security.
 
2013-03-25 11:31:36 AM  

dragonchild: randomjsa: You don't like what's happening in the middle east now concerning Iran/Iraq? Be sure and write Jimmy Carter a thank you note.

Read up on Operation Ajax and get back to me.  The Shah was an asshole and maybe replacing him with the Ayatollah wasn't much of an upgrade (and certainly not in national security interests), but the country had had it with the Shah and all of this could've been prevented if Churchill and Ike hadn't conspired to take a giant turd that forever shiat-stained any notion that America was pro-democracy and just stayed the fark away from the place.  It was a democracy FFS!  Ever since Ike & the Brits farked up Iran, that place has been one giant ongoing clusterfark.


Why is it every single time some enormity America has committed comes up its talked about like its THIS ONE THING staining a perfectly good record? It the isolated incident/overzealous staffer argument writ large.

Overthrowing a democracy because it voted wrong is in no sense out of character or unusual.
 
2013-03-25 11:31:43 AM  

computerguyUT: overabundance of intelligence


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2013-03-25 11:31:56 AM  

randomjsa: Without that power, Saddam could have never invaded Kuwait in the early 90s and there would have never been a first gulf war.

Subsequently, there would have never been a second gulf war.


Sorry, I missed the part where you told us why a second gulf war was necessary...
 
2013-03-25 11:32:50 AM  
Kerry is an idiot, just like the rest of Capitol Hill.
 
2013-03-25 11:33:03 AM  

way south: Kerry needs to work on his "surprised" face, he's not convincing me that this wasn't an under the table agreement.


www.crazyshit.com
He knows where to get it when he needs it.
 
2013-03-25 11:33:38 AM  

dragonchild: Ned Stark: When did John Kerry join the GOP?

When he decided to run for President.  At that point pretty much any distinction that could've been made between the parties was splitting hairs.  Kerry may be a Dem, but the narrative on the Middle East is set by the GOP.

At the federal level, the U.S. hasn't had a liberal party to vote for in at least a generation -- look at how countries like Finland or Iceland run things.  The stuff they do over there (to great effect, I might add -- healthier economies, better schools, etc.) can't even get proposed in the Beltway.  With the exception of a some social issues that (to be fair) do matter, the Dems pretty much follow the GOP on anything pertaining to economics or national security.


Both sides are the same, so hate the GOP.

Cute.
 
2013-03-25 11:34:26 AM  

randomjsa: You don't like what's happening in the middle east now concerning Iran/Iraq? Be sure and write Jimmy Carter Dwight D. Eisenhower a thank you note.


Don't forget to thank him for all the bananas too.

American foreign policy is unrelated to the American electoral process.
 
2013-03-25 11:35:15 AM  

Ned Stark: Why is it every single time some enormity America has committed comes up its talked about like its THIS ONE THING staining a perfectly good record?


I'm not making any sort of case that America's prior record was stellar, but the notion that America is in favor of installing democracy in the Middle East is, in particular, undermined when America is on record has having destroyed democracy in the Middle East.  I suppose I could bring up something like slavery, but it doesn't strike me as any more or less relevant than the Marshall Plan.  "Democracy in the Middle East", however, is a bona fide political platform.
 
2013-03-25 11:36:10 AM  
Just days after the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry confronted Baghdad for continuing to grant Iran access to its airspace and said Iraq's behavior was raising questions about its reliability as a partner.

We're invaders, not "partners," John. Just because we sent them all that cash on pallets years ago doesn't mean that they have to stay bought.
 
2013-03-25 11:36:53 AM  

Ned Stark: Both sides are the same, so hate the GOP. Cute.


I don't post to make you happy.
 
2013-03-25 11:43:45 AM  
I am sorry are you suggesting that Hillary did not leave the world a better place than when she found it .
We have the Arab Spring. I saw cool pics of Arab students tweeting and updating the FB pages.
Kerry just trying to get his name out.
 
2013-03-25 11:46:02 AM  

dragonchild: uttertosh: didn't we give Iraq Hussein in the first place?

And overthrew Iran's democracy back in the 1950s.

The last thing the GOP wants you to know is that every last drop of seething hatred the Shia have for Americans is tragically justified, and we've managed to piss off the Kurds and Sunni as well.  I doubt there's a faction left that we haven't double-crossed.  Ousting the dictator that oppressed them for so long doesn't really count for many points considering we installed the asshole in the first place.  The sad thing is that it's that very whitewashing that makes most Americans oblivious to the crimes their country committed.


We help overthrow the constitutional part of a constitutional monarchy and sided w/ the Royalists in the 50s.  The parliament and Royalists were already in a pissing contest, all Ajax really did was give the Royalist a little extra $$ and media.  The Latin American coups were far worse comparatively from a trashing democracy standpoint.  The real nasty thing is what the SAVAK did afterwards w/ training from the CIA.
 
2013-03-25 11:46:05 AM  
Because terrorists.

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2013-03-25 11:49:33 AM  
You mean shiate governments help eachother?   WTF?
 
2013-03-25 11:52:06 AM  

FARK rebel soldier: way south: Kerry needs to work on his "surprised" face, he's not convincing me that this wasn't an under the table agreement.

[www.crazyshiat.com image 374x478]
He knows where to get it when he needs it.


Whoa ... I had a great GIS, but you done won the prize!

Excellent
 
2013-03-25 11:54:24 AM  
In fairness to them, Bush's key "witness" was an Iranian agent.
 
2013-03-25 11:58:06 AM  

dragonchild: Ned Stark: Why is it every single time some enormity America has committed comes up its talked about like its THIS ONE THING staining a perfectly good record?

I'm not making any sort of case that America's prior record was stellar, but the notion that America is in favor of installing democracy in the Middle East is, in particular, undermined when America is on record has having destroyed democracy in the Middle East.  I suppose I could bring up something like slavery, but it doesn't strike me as any more or less relevant than the Marshall Plan.  "Democracy in the Middle East", however, is a bona fide political platform.


The issue, which continues to piss off the people in that region towards the US, remains the arrogant Divine Manifest Destiny justification that led our country into the mess in the first place.

We were pissed at the Shah because he was holding oil sales hostage over US interests. How dare those brown sand people interfere with our GOD given rights?! And so, over the last 40 or so years, we've meddled more in that region's political standing than the Scooby Gang.

We don't engender trust or friendship by continually attempting to force our belief structures on cultures that have neither asked for them, nor who ultimately suffer from the very structures we fiddle with.

We should really work on fixing our own shiat here before continuing to play the world's babysitter.
 
2013-03-25 12:06:13 PM  
fickenchucker: 

The sooner we can become energy-independent and leave the whole area to burn itself down the better.  It's way past time to force Europe and the rest of the world to pay their freight and worry about their own problems.  We have enough of our own.

So you're one of those people who think USA is protecting Europe.

Uh, from who?


In the existance of your farking country nothing has ever threatened Europe other than itself, and all USA has ever done was to pick sides.
 
2013-03-25 12:07:43 PM  
randomjsa:

You don't like what's happening in the middle east now concerning Iran/Iraq? Be sure and write Jimmy Carter British Petroleum (it used to be called the Anglo-Iranian Oil company and other big oil companies a thank you note.

Just get a standard copy of War is a Racket by Smedley Butler (two-time Medal of Honor awardee) and write in "crude oil" where it says "bananas".
 
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