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(Ars Technica)   The FAA is starting to fold on using electronic devices during plane takeoffs and landings   (arstechnica.com) divider line 110
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2013-03-25 07:13:55 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: RickN99: TheShavingofOccam123: W C Feels: Calmamity: As long as cell phones remain verboten.

Or, conversely, as long as knives remain allowed and the rules are further loosened so I can stab any motherfu*ker on their phone next to me.

Well, there is the slight (documented) problem with a DVD player throwing the navigation system off by 30 degrees, but hey, what's a continent or two between friends.

There was a PBS documentary about the crash of a commercial airliner in South America. The plane basically came apart at high altitude. The passengers all ended up naked and dead among the jungle trees.

When the flight was reconstructed using recovered black boxes, it turns out the plane had dual bank indicators. You could set them to A following B, B following A or independent. They were set to A following B. Only problem was B was malfunctioning.

They ended up crashing due to a 2 or 3 degree bank that wasn't even there. The pilots would correct then the indicators would give another bad reading, the pilots would correct....

Was that the one where the pilots over-corrected and ending up rolling the plane?

Yep. The graphical flight reconstruction on the documentary broke my heart.


Holy crap, I thought I was the only one who remembered seeing that.
 
2013-03-25 07:37:00 PM  
When this finally becomes legal, are any of you liars going to come back here and admit you were full of shiat with your asinine garbage about how it really is dangerous, and we just didn't know what we were talking about?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
 
2013-03-25 07:53:58 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: TheShavingofOccam123: RickN99: TheShavingofOccam123: W C Feels: Calmamity: As long as cell phones remain verboten.

Or, conversely, as long as knives remain allowed and the rules are further loosened so I can stab any motherfu*ker on their phone next to me.

Well, there is the slight (documented) problem with a DVD player throwing the navigation system off by 30 degrees, but hey, what's a continent or two between friends.

There was a PBS documentary about the crash of a commercial airliner in South America. The plane basically came apart at high altitude. The passengers all ended up naked and dead among the jungle trees.

When the flight was reconstructed using recovered black boxes, it turns out the plane had dual bank indicators. You could set them to A following B, B following A or independent. They were set to A following B. Only problem was B was malfunctioning.

They ended up crashing due to a 2 or 3 degree bank that wasn't even there. The pilots would correct then the indicators would give another bad reading, the pilots would correct....

Was that the one where the pilots over-corrected and ending up rolling the plane?

Yep. The graphical flight reconstruction on the documentary broke my heart.

Holy crap, I thought I was the only one who remembered seeing that.


The Mysterious Crash of Flight 201. Nova 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Airlines_Flight_201
 
2013-03-25 08:31:16 PM  
What did we do before cell phones?
I know grown men who wouldn't turn theirs off, if their life depended on it.
 
2013-03-25 09:45:11 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Beowoolfie: The best apparent fix is to put a little cellphone "tower" inside the cabin, so all the phones stay on low power and don't interfere with the ground towers.

One problem with that is trying to cover all of the possible bands and technologies, particularly if you consider international travellers. Even on plain GSM you have phones that speak various combinations of 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. 3G adds at least 1700/2100, LTE adds a pile more. Any phone that isn't compatible with the on-board cell is going to continue shouting at the ground.


An excellent point. I suppose it's still cheaper and simpler than reengineering the whole cell system, but it isn't elegant.
 
2013-03-25 11:29:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The Mysterious Crash of Flight 201. Nova 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Airlines_Flight_201


They also can't recreate the Air France crash in simulators - the Brazil to Europe flight that went down because, in part, frozen Pitot tubes.
 
2013-03-26 09:00:41 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Beowoolfie: The best apparent fix is to put a little cellphone "tower" inside the cabin, so all the phones stay on low power and don't interfere with the ground towers.

One problem with that is trying to cover all of the possible bands and technologies, particularly if you consider international travellers. Even on plain GSM you have phones that speak various combinations of 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. 3G adds at least 1700/2100, LTE adds a pile more. Any phone that isn't compatible with the on-board cell is going to continue shouting at the ground.


4G isn't necessary. As long as your offering a 2G signal the phones should be fine. I wonder if its possible to offer a data only service with support from the providers. So that people can text and surf but can't talk except for 911.
 
2013-03-26 10:48:27 AM  
Everyone knows that the reason the plane crashed in PA on 911 isn't because the passengers broke into the cockpit, it's because they were all on their cell phones.
 
2013-03-26 04:06:27 PM  

buzzcut73: Calmamity: As long as cell phones remain verboten.

Or, conversely, as long as knives remain allowed and the rules are further loosened so I can stab any motherfu*ker on their phone next to me.

This. I can't imagine being stuck in a tube with 150 or more other people, half of which are so important and vital to national secuirty/the economy/their company that they have to be in constant contact.

Its one thing when you're somewhere that you can tune it out for a few minutes and leave, but a 6 hour transcon? That would suck.


Not....*****how*****......*lostcarriersignal*....cellphones....****wo r k***** roaming
 
2013-03-26 04:12:11 PM  

stewbert: When this finally becomes legal, are any of you liars going to come back here and admit you were full of shiat with your asinine garbage about how it really is dangerous, and we just didn't know what we were talking about?

Yeah, I didn't think so.


We'll need that list of names of these liars, Francis.  We will track them down and give them the option of confessing or us beating the shiate out of them.  Got that list handy?
 
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