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2013-03-25 08:03:01 AM
Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?
 
2013-03-25 08:05:37 AM
He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.
 
2013-03-25 08:08:21 AM

dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?


It's sideways from a neutrino
 
2013-03-25 08:09:03 AM
I'll need to see his tats before making an official call.
 
2013-03-25 08:09:06 AM
I submitted this with a better headline
 
2013-03-25 08:11:15 AM
Nazis who fled to Argentina are as Latino as the Pope.
 
2013-03-25 08:15:28 AM

Sybarite: I'll need to see his tats before making an official call.


*plays repel card*
 
2013-03-25 08:15:46 AM

flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino


Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".
 
2013-03-25 08:19:21 AM

Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.


Didn't they used to speak Latin in Rome?
 
2013-03-25 08:27:14 AM
I wish I had paid more attention to latin in school so I could understand this issue.
 
2013-03-25 08:47:48 AM
So basically it then boils down to whether other people from Latin America consider people from Argentina to be Latino. And from the comments in the article, it sounds like many people who call themselves Latino do not.
 
2013-03-25 08:48:50 AM

ADHD Librarian: I wish I had paid more attention to latin in school so I could understand this issue.


Ignorantia lingua latīna non excusat
 
2013-03-25 08:51:10 AM

dittybopper: flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino

Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".


Thank you Venus.
 
2013-03-25 08:54:35 AM

ADHD Librarian: I wish I had paid more attention to latin in school so I could understand this issue.


Tu Stultus Es?

I KEED
 
2013-03-25 09:00:20 AM
Of course he isn't, he has never lived in the US.

/understand this is kind of a blurry term, but that's the stated position of my hispanic inlaws
//they don't consider themselves Latinos either, being dispersed between Mexico, Spain and Canada
 
2013-03-25 09:11:39 AM
And I'm an American Indian because I was born in the US.
 
2013-03-25 09:12:11 AM
Is it a miserable little pile of secrets?  After all, a Latino is a man.
 
2013-03-25 09:14:45 AM

costermonger: hispanic inlaws


Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage. It's not exactly something to be proud of unless you are really racist. Latino just means of Latin American descent which can include native peoples and doesn't distinguish between ethnic origins.

See also why Mexican women don't shave their legs.
 
2013-03-25 09:17:44 AM
The Pope speaks Latin. He's a Latino. Why is that so hard?
 
2013-03-25 09:21:33 AM

vernonFL: The Pope speaks Latin. He's a Latino. Why is that so hard?


In Canuckistan he'd be referred to as "Latinophone" (whether he has a phone or not).
 
2013-03-25 09:28:04 AM
Italians, Latinos, it's all the same.
 
2013-03-25 09:30:07 AM

ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage.


I dunno man, we really don't use any of these terms in Canada; I was going by the different terms they were using to differentiate between what was and wasn't latino.

To be honest, they were arguing about it and I was just enjoying the food & drinks.

/by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels
 
2013-03-25 09:30:41 AM

WorldCitizen: So basically it then boils down to whether other people from Latin America consider people from Argentina to be Latino. And from the comments in the article, it sounds like many people who call themselves Latino do not.


I'd say it also matters what the other Cardinals consider him.  Because I have a feeling they picked this guy since they saw him as the child of Italian expats, so he is Italian and thus no problems.  But they're happy to present him as a Latino.  Basically a ploy to get credit for electing a non European pope, but not actually having to bite the bullet and elect a Latino or sub Saharan African.
 
2013-03-25 09:32:28 AM
"Italo-compatible". I hate it when I bring a brand new Pope home from the store and he won't plug into my Italian popesocket.
 
2013-03-25 09:34:46 AM
A "Latino" is an offensive term to someone who's "Hispanic"

/Like me.

//Now I'm done.
 
2013-03-25 09:36:25 AM
Taco-flavored breakfast cereal?
 
2013-03-25 09:37:44 AM
The Pope is not a ploy! He's a Latino and his name is Francis.

Seriously, though, doesn't matter that his parents are immigrants, he was born there, lived the culture, and spoke the language. He is as Argentinian as Osvaldo Pugliese.
 
2013-03-25 09:38:06 AM
He's still white. Who cares where he comes from. Wake me up when they have a REAL ethnic minority for a Pope.
 
2013-03-25 09:39:16 AM

Happy Hours: Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.

Didn't they used to speak Latin in Rome?


Thanks Mr. Quayle.
 
2013-03-25 09:40:58 AM

costermonger: ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage.

I dunno man, we really don't use any of these terms in Canada; I was going by the different terms they were using to differentiate between what was and wasn't latino.

To be honest, they were arguing about it and I was just enjoying the food & drinks.

/by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels


It's very loaded here. In Mexico, Central, and South America, people go out of their way to indicate that they are "pure" Europeans. Women in Mexico don't shave their legs so they can prove they are not Indias. If you can't grow body hair, you are considered mestiza and therefore less valuable.
 
2013-03-25 09:42:09 AM

NEPAman: A "Latino" is an offensive term to someone who's "Hispanic"

/Like me.

//Now I'm done.


And there you are.
 
2013-03-25 09:43:34 AM

ginandbacon: Women in Mexico don't shave their legs so they can prove they are not Indias


Could be true, but I haven't observed this in any of the Mexican women I know; here or there.
 
2013-03-25 09:45:33 AM

MetryPapi:

Seriously, though, doesn't matter that his parents are immigrants, he was born there, lived the culture, and spoke the language. He is as Argentinian as Osvaldo Pugliese.


THIS ^^^^^^^^
 
2013-03-25 09:46:36 AM
Latino Heat!

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-25 09:46:39 AM

costermonger: Of course he isn't, he has never lived in the US.

/understand this is kind of a blurry term, but that's the stated position of my hispanic inlaws
//they don't consider themselves Latinos either, being dispersed between Mexico, Spain and Canada


I'll have to ask my cousin's husband about this.  His family tree goes back to Italy (a ways back), but he was born in Mexico and now lives in Colorado.

/His family did a good job teaching my cousin how to cook authentic Mexican
//great salsa at the last family reunion
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 09:47:32 AM
Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.
 
2013-03-25 09:47:57 AM
No true Scotsman Latino?

/give him the Sharpie test
 
2013-03-25 09:48:42 AM

catmandu: MetryPapi:

Seriously, though, doesn't matter that his parents are immigrants, he was born there, lived the culture, and spoke the language. He is as Argentinian as Osvaldo Pugliese.

THIS ^^^^^^^^


Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?
 
2013-03-25 09:49:57 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


So it language.
 
2013-03-25 09:50:11 AM

lack of warmth: /His family did a good job teaching my cousin how to cook authentic Mexican//great salsa at the last family reunion


My wife has a few good authentic dishes but I suspect my mother in law held back on the good stuff as a method of ensuring all the kids & significant others would show up on a regular basis for a family meal. And it works, I have to say.
 
2013-03-25 09:50:50 AM

mrlewish: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

So it language.


"is" damn it "is"
 
2013-03-25 09:51:25 AM
irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?
 
2013-03-25 09:52:52 AM
I find that the same people who want to exclude people of pure European heritage that were born in South America from calling themselves "Latino" also get upset with how Americans have claimed the title, "American" for themselves. Their argument is, by being from South America, they should have the right to be called, "Americans" too rather than "South Americans." Never mind the fact that again,  the people these "Latinos" exclude from calling themselves "Latinos" are often from Roman rooted cultures. You know, Romans. The original Latins.

/seriously, did I miss that day in history class where Caesar crossed the Rubicon into Lima?
//half Puerto Rican. Doesn't call herself Latino because I feel I should be wearing a toga when doing so
 
2013-03-25 09:53:49 AM
A "Latino" is anyone who self identifies as "Latino".  I, for example, am a German-Latino-American.

s23.postimg.org
 
2013-03-25 09:56:20 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?


I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.
 
2013-03-25 09:56:35 AM

ginandbacon: costermonger: ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage.

I dunno man, we really don't use any of these terms in Canada; I was going by the different terms they were using to differentiate between what was and wasn't latino.

To be honest, they were arguing about it and I was just enjoying the food & drinks.

/by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels

It's very loaded here. In Mexico, Central, and South America, people go out of their way to indicate that they are "pure" Europeans. Women in Mexico don't shave their legs so they can prove they are not Indias. If you can't grow body hair, you are considered mestiza and therefore less valuable.


I have worked in Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and Ecuador.  And I Colombian and Italian.

I have never run across any women in all my philandering who did not shave their legs, much less to prove they are European   They just say they are European, but still shave shave their legs.  And latin american women are a vain bunch.

They might have their supposed "coat of arms" hanging on the wall in the house, and the maid my cell them Patrona, but you can be damn sure they shave their legs.

The only hair legged gals I have seen are maids.  Plus, not all Europs are uber hairy.
 
2013-03-25 09:57:53 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


Now cultural differences are fascinating and hold some real value.  No one culture is perfect and can learn some cool stuff from the others.

Like in my earlier post, I learned how much difference it makes to actually flame broil tomatoes and peppers before making salsa.  I don't think I taught them anything that weekend but I got a good cooking lesson.
 
2013-03-25 10:00:41 AM

mrlewish: mrlewish: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

So it language.

"is" damn it "is"


made a batter point the way it was ;-)

/Romani ite domum!
 
2013-03-25 10:01:47 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?


Usually by their first name, except in formal occasion, where the surname is usually preceded with title.
 
2013-03-25 10:02:06 AM

mekki: I find that the same people who want to exclude people of pure European heritage that were born in South America from calling themselves "Latino" also get upset with how Americans have claimed the title, "American" for themselves. Their argument is, by being from South America, they should have the right to be called, "Americans" too rather than "South Americans." Never mind the fact that again,  the people these "Latinos" exclude from calling themselves "Latinos" are often from Roman rooted cultures. You know, Romans. The original Latins.

/seriously, did I miss that day in history class where Caesar crossed the Rubicon into Lima?
//half Puerto Rican. Doesn't call herself Latino because I feel I should be wearing a toga when doing so


I generally do not refer to myself as latino or hispanic but after having lived in Colombia on and off for the last 20 years, and worked in many South American countries I never heard this argument  that sounds like something a second generation US born liberal arts student would say.

South Americans figure they are Americans, as they are, but you never hear the word latino in South American because  they are mostly all latinos so they refer to each other by the country they are from.
 
2013-03-25 10:04:24 AM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-03-25 10:07:32 AM

NEPAman: A "Latino" is an offensive term to someone who's "Hispanic"

/Like me.

//Now I'm done.


You're all brown people to us.
 
2013-03-25 10:07:33 AM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but I did see this newly leaked photo of the Popemobile.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-03-25 10:08:08 AM
Latino
Chicano
Hispanic
TacoBell

No idea what they mean. Just that they're all browny people.
 
2013-03-25 10:08:52 AM

WippitGuud: What do they call black people in Europe?


Sicilian.
 
2013-03-25 10:10:41 AM

irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.


If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.
 
2013-03-25 10:12:40 AM
Just like African-American, it gives white people something to describe others in a manner that is as little derogatory as possible about people who's skin color is different and who speak a language they don't.
 
2013-03-25 10:16:55 AM

Slaxl: irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.

If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.


As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?
 
2013-03-25 10:17:51 AM

irsquareamads: Slaxl: irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.

If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.

As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?


FTFM
 
2013-03-25 10:19:17 AM
Oh! I know this one!

upload.wikimedia.org

/amirite?
 
2013-03-25 10:20:09 AM
I didn't realized Jonathan Pryce was the new pope.
 
2013-03-25 10:21:35 AM
I was born and raised in NYC to Argentine parents, and am currently living in Buenos Aires, so I'm getting a kick out of this 'debate'.
I think the '29 year old son of columbian immigrants' in the article is a complete idiot. I love how he's referenced like some sort of authority on all matters "Latino". He's probably never even stepped foot in South America.

Inasmuch as people here in Argentina are part of Latin America (which is what they call the continent), there's no doubt that anyone who is Argentine considers him or herself "Latino". I've confirmed this with my Argy girlfriend and several of my local friends.

With that said, they definitely do not see themselves on the same level as, say, Bolivians, Peruvians, Paraguayans, and other 'darker' countries. There is a lot of racism here against people of those countries very similar to the way Mexicans and "latinos" are viewed in the U.S.

So on the one hand, there is an overarching 'sameness' felt with other Latin American countries, and the citizens here view themselves as South Americans, whether or not their parents were born in Europe. But on the other hand, they DO feel that their European bloodline sets them apart from the 'lessor' countries in Latin America. They WOULD NOT consider the pope to be Italian, but rather an Argentine son of Italians, like such a huge portion of Argentina is. Bottom line is that the guy is as Argentine as can be, speaks spanish, drinks mate, eats asado, watches futbol, and is catholic.

Finally, to put it into perspective imagine if a U.S. cardinal like Timothy Dolan (Irish descent) was elected pope. I don't think there would be any debate about him being "American" or Irish.
 
2013-03-25 10:22:25 AM
Thread needs more Latina's
 
2013-03-25 10:23:52 AM
Like, it's just a tool of the man keeping us down! You see, he just divides us against ourselves and keeps us fighting so he can take everything we own, man. It's like the British Empire in Arabia; divide and control, dude. Divide and control.
 
2013-03-25 10:24:26 AM
The pope is not Latino, Subby. He's Italian.
 
2013-03-25 10:27:13 AM
It depends.  If I'm looking to get into college on a diversity grounds, I'm hispanic.  If I'm looking to apply for a rental in a white neighborhood, I'm white.

I think part of the reason there's sensitivity around this is that most hispanics don't have the option of 'passing' for white and so can't avoid racism and discrimination, and so they've intertwined that experience into the definition of being hispanic.  So when someone who looks Europeans claims to be hispanic you'll get everything from rolling eyes to outright hostility.
 
2013-03-25 10:28:45 AM
My apartment smells like cat food
 
2013-03-25 10:30:32 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:  What do they call black people in Europe?


Immigrants
 
2013-03-25 10:33:34 AM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: "Italo-compatible". I hate it when I bring a brand new Pope home from the store and he won't plug into my Italian popesocket.


Popesocket?  The tender young anus of an 11-to-13-year-old boy?
 
2013-03-25 10:33:43 AM

irsquareamads: As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?


Do you mean the "melting pot" concept thought up by Henry Ford when he made his employees dress in their native attire and jump into a large stage pot and come out wearing a suit?  I certainly hope not.

Think of people with multiple heritages as a metal alloy, each culture bringing its own element to the mix.  Now each element brings strengths and weaknesses that in the individual can make for a strong wonderful person.  A person that could shed the weaknesses but apply the various strengths to life and those around them.  That is how I see the melting pot of America working, when it is done right.  We do have some national successes with it, if people would stop using labels as a divider.

/I have a cultural backgrounds that aren't pleasant, but I use the strengths that they are known for.
 
2013-03-25 10:34:21 AM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: "Italo-compatible". I hate it when I bring a brand new Pope home from the store and he won't plug into my Italian popesocket.


Maybe your Italian popesocket is too old.
 
2013-03-25 10:35:08 AM
Latino is nothin but a mexican, round em up and ship em back home.
 
2013-03-25 10:36:34 AM
The voters of the ALMA awards (American Latino Media Arts) seem to think that Martin Sheen is Latino, since they gave him an award. Martin Sheen is part Spanish; his father is an immigrant from Spain. He has no connection to Latin America, but he's American and has ancestry from a country where the native language is Latin-derived, so I guess that's good enough. Except no ALMA awards have been given to Italian-Americans, French-Americans, Romanian-Americans, etc. So who the hell knows?
 
2013-03-25 10:36:37 AM

I agree with you: Latino is nothin but a mexican, round em up and ship em back home.


Where's that? Spain?
 
2013-03-25 10:39:12 AM

rkiller1: I agree with you: Latino is nothin but a mexican, round em up and ship em back home.

Where's that? Spain?


Texas.
 
2013-03-25 10:39:47 AM

lack of warmth: irsquareamads: As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?

Do you mean the "melting pot" concept thought up by Henry Ford when he made his employees dress in their native attire and jump into a large stage pot and come out wearing a suit?  I certainly hope not.

Think of people with multiple heritages as a metal alloy, each culture bringing its own element to the mix.  Now each element brings strengths and weaknesses that in the individual can make for a strong wonderful person.  A person that could shed the weaknesses but apply the various strengths to life and those around them.  That is how I see the melting pot of America working, when it is done right.  We do have some national successes with it, if people would stop using labels as a divider.

/I have a cultural backgrounds that aren't pleasant, but I use the strengths that they are known for.

No, i hadn't heard of that.  I was more thinking of the School House Rock version, or one similar to what you said.  Learning from other cultures is great, reminding them that they're another culture all the time with labels, not so great.
 
2013-03-25 10:40:53 AM

Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.


THIS
 
2013-03-25 10:41:09 AM
"Latino" and "Hispanic" are terms in common usage that tend to lose their meaning the closer you look at them. My old grad-school roommate was a perfect example of this.

The guy came from Chile, where his family has lived for over 250 years, and his name is Felipe'. So he speaks perfect Spanish, is culturally in sync with Chilean customs and traditions, etc.  So... Hispanic, right?

Not so fast. His last name is very English, he'd spent half his life in NJ, speaks English with no Spanish accent whatsoever, and is the dorkiest-looking white guy that ever ordered from LL Bean.  Think... republican David Byrne.

Hispanic? Latino? To this day, I have no idea whether he qualifies for either of these terms.
 
2013-03-25 10:41:42 AM
Geez, it couldn't be because of the SPANISH explorers, could it? hiSPANic, and all that. Don't they all speak SPANish, or some derivative, like Portuguese?

SPAIN. It's really not hard to imagine.
 
2013-03-25 10:45:49 AM
Another way to keep racism alive and well? I mean, how can we treat everyone equally if we cant classify everyone differently right?
 
2013-03-25 10:46:51 AM

Head_Shot: Don't they all speak SPANish, or some derivative, like Portuguese?


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-03-25 10:48:18 AM

dittybopper: flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino

Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".


Thanks for a non-turkey WKRP reference!
 
2013-03-25 10:48:45 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
Born in Panama.

/WHAR is birther movement?  WHAR!!!???!!!
 
2013-03-25 10:52:02 AM
He's not Latino. He's Italian. If my German and Italian parents moved to Mexico before I was born, that wouldn't make my heritage Mexican, even if I was born a citizen of Mexico.
 
2013-03-25 10:52:40 AM
The Argentinians think of themselves more as Italians than they do Hispanics because of the high
percentage of Italian immigrants who settled there.
 
2013-03-25 10:54:53 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


Also meaningless is saying that race is a human construct.

Additionally, try telling that to the non-West-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds.  If you can find him.

Any geneticist can look at someone's DNA and determine what continent a majority of their ancestors came from.  And this will roughly correspond to race.  I agree that most of the baggage that goes along with race is stupid and unnecessary, but to say it's something totally invented by modern society is more than a little naive.
 
2013-03-25 10:56:14 AM
A Latino is someone who speaks a Latin based language. Like French, or Portuguese.

A Hispanic is someone from the Isle of Hispaniola. 

A Chicano is, hell, something that was made up.  Like Kwanza.
 
2013-03-25 10:56:51 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?


Sub-Saharan Africa is called "Black Africa"
Rap, R&B, Jazz, etc are called "Black Music"
 
2013-03-25 10:56:59 AM

gfbabbitt: dittybopper: flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino

Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".

Thanks for a non-turkey WKRP reference!


As God is my witness, I though Latinos could fly.

/For those of you who've just tuned in, the Pinedale Shopping Mall has just been  bombed with live Pontiffs
 
2013-03-25 10:57:40 AM

Mr_Fabulous: "Latino" and "Hispanic" are terms in common usage that tend to lose their meaning the closer you look at them. My old grad-school roommate was a perfect example of this.

The guy came from Chile, where his family has lived for over 250 years, and his name is Felipe'. So he speaks perfect Spanish, is culturally in sync with Chilean customs and traditions, etc.  So... Hispanic, right?

Not so fast. His last name is very English, he'd spent half his life in NJ, speaks English with no Spanish accent whatsoever, and is the dorkiest-looking white guy that ever ordered from LL Bean.  Think... republican David Byrne.

Hispanic? Latino? To this day, I have no idea whether he qualifies for either of these terms.


His last name might be a problem but otherwise he could meet the diversity requirements at colleges, corporations and government agencies, and those institutions can claim they're meeting diversity requirements.

The problem is that darker skinned hispanics don't consider that progress.  The issue isn't national descent or culture, it's skin color and racial heritage, because that's where the discrimination really shows up.  So whenever anyone holds up a light-skinned, European-looking hispanic's accomplishment as progress, there's a a lot of scoffing and sneering within the hispanic community.  The darker skinned hispanic community anyway.
 
2013-03-25 10:58:01 AM
This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"
 
2013-03-25 11:03:13 AM

jaytkay: This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"


Sometimes it has a real effect though.  Like when someone describes themselves as an American Indian because their grandfather from 5 generations ago was 1/4 Cherokee, and now they can open up a tax free mega casino.  Or when that lily white, born in America non spanish-speaking high school grad takes a spot at a choice college because he's 'hispanic'.
 
2013-03-25 11:04:17 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


Then why do I want to bang Asian chicks so much?
 
2013-03-25 11:04:34 AM

Slaxl: irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.

If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.


I agree with you - it's more like that in Canada (except Quebec.) They always refer to themselves as "Canadian" before whatever other heritage they have. I think part of the problem is that in the USA, we do not really have our own culture, as we encourage everyone to retain their own culture when they come here, which does is inherently divisive. My heritage is German, Italian and French, and each of those countries has their own strong identity and culture. The world might see Germans as beer drinking, lederhosen and dirndl wearing people, but they view all Americans as Clark Griswold. What kind of culture is that? It's embarrassing.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 11:05:09 AM

thisiszombocom: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

Then why do I want to bang Asian chicks so much?


Crap.  This changes my whole perspective on life.  I want to bang Asian chicks too.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 11:06:04 AM

FLMountainMan: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

Also meaningless is saying that race is a human construct.

Additionally, try telling that to the non-West-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds.  If you can find him.

Any geneticist can look at someone's DNA and determine what continent a majority of their ancestors came from.  And this will roughly correspond to race.  I agree that most of the baggage that goes along with race is stupid and unnecessary, but to say it's something totally invented by modern society is more than a little naive.


Genetics doesn't equal race.
 
2013-03-25 11:11:57 AM
Duh, Latino is one of the search terms on our favorite porn sites to find a specific looking female.

It's also those people that do all the jobs Amerkuns are too lazy to do.

It said so on teh internets the other day, so it must be true.
 
2013-03-25 11:15:51 AM
My family lived in Cuba for many generations, though before that, all of them did come from Spain. Still, I consider myself "Cuban," not "Spanish." I'm white. I'm also hispanic/latina/whatever.

People who think you need to look like a stereotype to "count" are assholes. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, asian hispanics, native hispanics, and mixed-race hispanics.
 
2013-03-25 11:16:29 AM

jaytkay: This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"


fozziewazzi: Sometimes it has a real effect though.


99.9999% of the time it's simply people showing their xenophobia and racism.
 
2013-03-25 11:17:06 AM
Who gives a shiat?  I thought we were one world community, or some such.

Target marketing=racism.
 
2013-03-25 11:19:33 AM

bulok: He's still white. Who cares where he comes from. Wake me up when they have a REAL ethnic minority for a Pope.


You mean like white people? Or anyone who is not of Asian (if we include India) descent for that matter?

d23: Race is a human construct. It's meaningless.


You tell that to doctors who have found that the different "races", which don't really exist, have markedly different propensity for various ailments.

lack of warmth: Think of people with multiple heritages as a metal alloy, each culture bringing its own element to the mix.


Sure, if you actually were from a different country (or second generation, depending on how the person was raised). There is very little left of the culture of the people who first went to America 400 years ago. Or even the original culture of the people that went 200 years ago. There might be a small influence of the cultures of the people who cam 100 (or less) years ago but mostly the descendants will have adopted the dominant culture to greater or lesser extent.

Claiming that someone is "French-Spanish American" because they had a great grandfather who came from France and a grandmother came from Spain (and married a non-specified American) and had children raised in an environment which speaks neither French nor Spanish (for the most part) and does not have the French or Spanish cultural festivities, history and/or mannerisms doesn't make that person either French or Spanish. It simply makes them whatever culture they grew up in.
 
2013-03-25 11:20:31 AM
I already like this pope's style...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-25 11:20:40 AM
l1.yimg.com

O, et paene obliti, socius infantes: Booger!
 
xcv
2013-03-25 11:25:26 AM
It doesn't matter that he was born to Italian parents; the Pope is a trans-Latino: he has been presenting all his life as a Latino and he's clearly capable of passing as a Hispanic. His birth certificate says Argentina. Please use the pronouns and origin adjectives that he prefers.
 
2013-03-25 11:26:49 AM

computerguyUT: Duh, Latino is one of the search terms on our favorite porn sites to find a specific looking female.


You know the funny thing is that they won't use hispanic women that look European because then, what's the point?  But they will take women are aren't hispanic but 'look' like they are.  Hollywood and advertising agencies do the same thing.  So we have constant cultural re-enforcement of what a hispanic person is supposed to look like.  It would have been refreshing to say, have the Columbian wife on Modern Family be a blond, blue eyed woman.  I wonder if that would have worked.
 
2013-03-25 11:28:01 AM

fickenchucker: Who gives a shiat?  I thought we were one world community, or some such.

Target marketing=racism.


I'm lovin' it.

My second cousin once removed is from Columbia, but lives in Kenya.
When she comes back to stay in the USA (She's got dual citizenship) is she Latina? Or African American?
Or does her milkshake bring all the boys in the yard?
 
2013-03-25 11:36:28 AM

fozziewazzi: computerguyUT: Duh, Latino is one of the search terms on our favorite porn sites to find a specific looking female.

You know the funny thing is that they won't use hispanic women that look European because then, what's the point?  But they will take women are aren't hispanic but 'look' like they are.  Hollywood and advertising agencies do the same thing.  So we have constant cultural re-enforcement of what a hispanic person is supposed to look like.  It would have been refreshing to say, have the Columbian wife on Modern Family be a blond, blue eyed woman.  I wonder if that would have worked.


The woman who played bad-ass Latina Pvt. Vasquez in Aliens is actually a large-breasted Jewish woman who also played John Connor's foster mom in Terminator 2.
 
2013-03-25 11:37:34 AM

d23: FLMountainMan: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

Also meaningless is saying that race is a human construct.

Additionally, try telling that to the non-West-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds.  If you can find him.

Any geneticist can look at someone's DNA and determine what continent a majority of their ancestors came from.  And this will roughly correspond to race.  I agree that most of the baggage that goes along with race is stupid and unnecessary, but to say it's something totally invented by modern society is more than a little naive.

Genetics doesn't equal race.


Race = breed, even though everybody is a mutt to some extent.
 
2013-03-25 11:39:01 AM

vudukungfu: When she comes back to stay in the USA (She's got dual citizenship) is she Latina? Or African American?
Or does her milkshake bring all the boys in the yard?


We will need pictures to tell.
 
2013-03-25 12:22:43 PM

costermonger: /by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels


It doesn't.  My wife is Mexican and she and her family use that term all the time.

/everything on fark is racist
 
2013-03-25 12:46:04 PM

dittybopper: [l1.yimg.com image 630x415]

O, et paene obliti, socius infantes: Booger!


mimg.ugo.com

"OK, so you can say that, but you can say *********** ************ ***** *************************************"
 
2013-03-25 01:19:56 PM

Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.


Sure....

So the new Pope is down to Earth, humble, and well loved. Because his parents are Italian, he's definitely white.

Obama on the other hand, is ineffectual, can't decide how much cream to put in his coffee without a recent poll, and has let North Korea and Iran run completely out of control. So he's definitely not white.

I'm not saying that I see a pattern here, or that all of you are racist, bigoted scum. So let's just move on...
 
2013-03-25 01:21:59 PM
Sixth generation Brazilian born.  Is Mrs. Brady a latina?  By the Pope's definition, yes.

www.usmagazine.com
 
2013-03-25 01:31:24 PM
Two of my sisters are twins.  One pulls from my father's side of the family (dark skin, dark hair, native South American and Italian mix).  The other looks like my mother (Blonde, blue eyes, freckles, Dutch & Portuguese mix).  According to some people on this board, one of the twins is Latina, the other isn't.

/just another Brazilian
//White
///Latino
 
2013-03-25 01:37:23 PM
If you were born and grew up in a country, went to (in this case) Spanish-speaking school there, speak the language fluently and with a local accent, feel totally at home with the culture, etc, you're from that country.  It doesn't matter where your parents were born.  In this case, the Papa is Argentinean.

The only exception to this rule might be diplomatic families (or in the old days, British administrators in India), who obviously regard the posting as temporary and send their children to boarding schools in England or American schools at the foreign locations.  Here, the intention is clearly to have the kid raised culturally and linguistically as citizens of the parents' country.

My parents moved to Ireland before I was born.  I spent the first 21 years of my life there.  I haven't been there in >10 weeks in the last 30 years, but I'm Irish.

I used to work with a blond-haired blue-eyed guy with a totally English-sounding name.  His British parents moved to Mexico before he was born, and he stayed there until he was 25, attending local schools and university.  When I first met him, I asked him what nationality he considered himself to be.  He was surprised I asked:  Mexican, of course.

BTW, I don't consider the country of birth particularly key.  I you happened to be born in Venezuela and spent the first three weeks of your life there before your American parents returned to California, where you grew up, you're American, not Venezuelan.
 
2013-03-25 01:43:44 PM

fireclown: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 176x223]
Born in Panama.

/WHAR is birther movement?  WHAR!!!???!!!


as someone that was born overseas on a military base, please allow me to state the following:

[ahem]

you're an idiot.
 
2013-03-25 02:00:57 PM

jaytkay: jaytkay: This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"

fozziewazzi: Sometimes it has a real effect though.

99.9999% of the time it's simply people showing their xenophobia and racism.


Or people assigning themselves to a group for political or financial reasons.
/I live in 90210 and am proud of it
 
2013-03-25 02:10:54 PM
Mexican, chicano, hispanic, latino, it all means get off my lawn, and outta my country, you are stinking the place up somthing fierce
 
2013-03-25 02:34:35 PM
Really? No Sharpie eyebrow pics?
 
2013-03-25 02:44:04 PM
We're Mexican. Deal with it. Anyone speaking Spanish around a group of whiteys will always be defaulted to Mexican, so you might as well get used to it. You don't like it? Then stop speaking Mexican like a dayloboring beanjob and learn Amurrican.

We are Mexican. We are legion.
 
2013-03-25 02:52:43 PM
What do they call black people in Europe?

Irish?

/goin to hell for that... i just know it
 
2013-03-25 02:57:32 PM

Wittenberg Dropout: We're Mexican. Deal with it. Anyone speaking Spanish around a group of whiteys will always be defaulted to Mexican, so you might as well get used to it. You don't like it? Then stop speaking Mexican like a dayloboring beanjob and learn Amurrican.

We are Mexican. We are legion.


Which means you are on the West Coast but here on the East Coast we are a a healthy mix of all latin American countries.
 
2013-03-25 03:02:32 PM

theflatline: Wittenberg Dropout: We're Mexican. Deal with it. Anyone speaking Spanish around a group of whiteys will always be defaulted to Mexican, so you might as well get used to it. You don't like it? Then stop speaking Mexican like a dayloboring beanjob and learn Amurrican.

We are Mexican. We are legion.

Which means you are on the West Coast but here on the East Coast we are a a healthy mix of all latin American countries.


What? You think that cuz your right coast you'll be spared? Put it this way, the next Kurt Russell movie is going to be named: Escape From Trece.
 
2013-03-25 03:12:37 PM

ElizaDoolittle: If you were born and grew up in a country, went to (in this case) Spanish-speaking school there, speak the language fluently and with a local accent, feel totally at home with the culture, etc, you're from that country.  It doesn't matter where your parents were born.  In this case, the Papa is Argentinean.

The only exception to this rule might be diplomatic families (or in the old days, British administrators in India), who obviously regard the posting as temporary and send their children to boarding schools in England or American schools at the foreign locations.  Here, the intention is clearly to have the kid raised culturally and linguistically as citizens of the parents' country.

My parents moved to Ireland before I was born.  I spent the first 21 years of my life there.  I haven't been there in >10 weeks in the last 30 years, but I'm Irish.

I used to work with a blond-haired blue-eyed guy with a totally English-sounding name.  His British parents moved to Mexico before he was born, and he stayed there until he was 25, attending local schools and university.  When I first met him, I asked him what nationality he considered himself to be.  He was surprised I asked:  Mexican, of course.

BTW, I don't consider the country of birth particularly key.  I you happened to be born in Venezuela and spent the first three weeks of your life there before your American parents returned to California, where you grew up, you're American, not Venezuelan.


Actually in Argentina and in most of Latin America, unfortunately, blood lines are very important, dating back to Colonial days, and especially in Argentina where a lot of questionable immigration took place over the years(which you see in their absurd level of national pride.)  Plus,  they consider themselves to be the Europeans of Latin America.

Latin America is the last large bastion of the Churchs war chest and that is why the pope was chosen from Argentina, it is a shout out to the locals, but in reality it is about bloodline so Rome considers this "Papa"
to be one of them because of his heritage. It was a political move.  It allowed the papacy to continue to have a pure Italian bloodline while merely through a bone to the rest of the brown peoples.
 
2013-03-25 03:34:42 PM

DigitalCoffee: What do they call black people in Europe?

Irish?

/goin to hell for that... i just know it


assets.rollingstone.com

"We'll be down there with you, my fine fellow."
 
2013-03-25 03:45:30 PM

DigitalCoffee: What do they call black people in Europe?

Irish?

/goin to hell for that... i just know it


How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

/none.
 
2013-03-25 03:47:22 PM
Considering how much immigration there was from the late 1800s until after WW2, I think a good size chunk of South America might be more European than the US.
 
2013-03-25 04:47:26 PM
Given that all popes presumably speak actual *Latin* (as opposed to a Latin-derived language, like French/Spanish/Portuguese/Italian), wouldn't they all qualify?  Hell, by that standard they'd be among the *most* Latino people since the Romans.
 
2013-03-25 05:28:45 PM

vudukungfu: DigitalCoffee: What do they call black people in Europe?

Irish?

/goin to hell for that... i just know it

How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

/none.


heh heh
 
2013-03-25 07:05:19 PM

theflatline: Wittenberg Dropout: We're Mexican. Deal with it. Anyone speaking Spanish around a group of whiteys will always be defaulted to Mexican, so you might as well get used to it. You don't like it? Then stop speaking Mexican like a dayloboring beanjob and learn Amurrican.

We are Mexican. We are legion.

Which means you are on the West Coast but here on the East Coast we are a a healthy mix of all latin American countries.


In South FL, you're Cuban by default.  Especially if you're good looking!
 
2013-03-25 07:24:10 PM
I just realized:  this Pope speaks Latino!

Dan Quayle is vindicated. Well, except for thinking South Americans speak latin. And being a dumbass.

Did you know that his IQ is estimated at 110, which is nearly median for a college boy? Mind you, he should have spent less time golfing and more time doing his own homework instead of giving it to Marlyn, whose estimated IQ is much higher.

IQs may have risen a fair bit over the decades due to better obstretics, better pre-natal care, better nutrition, more stimulating environments, etc., but I suspect that the amount of real intelligence you get for your points has fallen victim to inflation, possibly grade inflation.

So it may be true that IQs are higher, but you need a proportionately higher IQ to hold your own against a high school drop-out of the 1950s. Some of them were dropping out at university level by today's standards!
 
2013-03-25 07:25:46 PM
Contrary to rumour, the Pope is not Ladino.

That would bring on the Apocalypse.
 
2013-03-25 07:39:19 PM

FLMountainMan: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

Also meaningless is saying that race is a human construct.

Additionally, try telling that to the non-WestEast-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds.  If you can find him.


FTFY. The best African runners come from a region of Kenya.

Any geneticist can look at someone's DNA and determine what continent a majority of their ancestors came from.  And this will roughly correspond to race.  I agree that most of the baggage that goes along with race is stupid and unnecessary, but to say it's something totally invented by modern society is more than a little naive.

Uh, a majority of all of our ancestors came from Africa, given that humanity comes from there.

give me doughnuts: Race = breed, even though everybody is a mutt to some extent.


Huh? "Breed" is a useful notion when talking about dogs, for example, where, through selective breeding, we have dogs that will instinctively herd, chase or retrieve animals. We've been training and breeding dogs for 10s of thousands of years for the characteristics we need.

The stupidest aspect of trying to classify people into races, of course, is the geographical and semantic arguments.

For example, Israel is in Asia. But lots of Israelis have recent European heritage. At what point do they become Asian?

I'm sure there've been articles on fark about a white South African with US citizenship getting into trouble for saying that he's African-American. Much Like Charlize Theron is, actually.

And given that Egypt straddles Africa and Asia, how does one classify an Egyptian?

/We've been getting around for tens of thousands of years; I can see of no need to define the concept of race unless you really like discriminating against people who look a bit different to you.
 
2013-03-25 07:53:21 PM

uttertosh: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

Usually by their first name, except in formal occasion, where the surname is usually preceded with title.


So much this!
Why Americans feel the need to hang onto a racial prefix confuses me.
CSB time? OK if you insist.

I lived near a base which had a lot of American servicemen working there. There were a couple of them who couldn't understand why we Aussies found it funny as fark to her them describe the local population of Somalian refugees as African-American Australians (they were African, but neither American nor Australian). This was topped as the funniest thing when one of the Contractors (of white Zimbabwean ancestry) told us of his time in America, where he was granted African American status on his college application because he was African (by Birth) and American (by naturalisation). Apparently some people had a problem with this.
 
2013-03-25 08:10:03 PM
FLMountainMan: ...try telling that to the non-West-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds. If you can find him.

Finding him is easy. Very easy, so easy in fact I can name him (them); Australian Patrick Johnson, Frenchman Christophe Lemaitre and Namibian Frankie Fredericks. Thus far I believe they are the three.
 
2013-03-25 08:19:32 PM

theflatline: ElizaDoolittle: If you were born and grew up in a country, went to (in this case) Spanish-speaking school there, speak the language fluently and with a local accent, feel totally at home with the culture, etc, you're from that country.  It doesn't matter where your parents were born.  In this case, the Papa is Argentinean.

The only exception to this rule might be diplomatic families (or in the old days, British administrators in India), who obviously regard the posting as temporary and send their children to boarding schools in England or American schools at the foreign locations.  Here, the intention is clearly to have the kid raised culturally and linguistically as citizens of the parents' country.

My parents moved to Ireland before I was born.  I spent the first 21 years of my life there.  I haven't been there in >10 weeks in the last 30 years, but I'm Irish.

I used to work with a blond-haired blue-eyed guy with a totally English-sounding name.  His British parents moved to Mexico before he was born, and he stayed there until he was 25, attending local schools and university.  When I first met him, I asked him what nationality he considered himself to be.  He was surprised I asked:  Mexican, of course.

BTW, I don't consider the country of birth particularly key.  I you happened to be born in Venezuela and spent the first three weeks of your life there before your American parents returned to California, where you grew up, you're American, not Venezuelan.

Actually in Argentina and in most of Latin America, unfortunately, blood lines are very important, dating back to Colonial days, and especially in Argentina where a lot of questionable immigration took place over the years(which you see in their absurd level of national pride.)  Plus,  they consider themselves to be the Europeans of Latin America.

Latin America is the last large bastion of the Churchs war chest and that is why the pope was chosen from Argentina, it is a shout out to the locals, but

in reality it is about bloodline so Rome considers this "Papa"
to be one of them because of his heritage. It was a political move.  It allowed the papacy to continue to have a pure Italian bloodline while merely through a bone to the rest of the brown peoples.


I stand by my statement that the new Pope is from Argentina.  He's 76; he has spent most of his life there, including his childhood years.  He is not from a rich family. The rich are (in my experience) more likely to stew over blood lines while the poor worry about food lines.  Per Wiki, his father was an Italian immigrant rail worker and his mother, born in Buenos Aires, was of Italian descent.  If he'd been born in the US of the same descent, nobody would seriously be calling him Italian.  Unless they came from a Polack or Irish neighborhood.  And any three random guys from those neighborhoods would be quite likely to wind up fighting in a US uniform.

I hear you about the brown people.  But I find it hard to believe that this Papa was elected because of his pure Italian bloodline.  He's not exactly from the Villa d'Este.

And I'm still not going to agree with him on women in the church, homosexuality, condoms in South Africa, birth control elsewhere, the existence of God, papal infallibility, etc.

P.S.  I'm finishing a renovation.  My contractor, who is Argentinean and not particularly "European" by appearance, couldn't stop beaming about the new pope being from his country.
 
2013-03-26 01:08:06 AM
Many prefer Latino because they feel it describes a more accurate mix of indigenous, African and European ancestry, instead of strictly European.

This.

/Latina
//speaks fluent Val
//sounds like a gabacha when she attempts to speak Spanish
 
2013-03-26 02:01:05 AM

ha-ha-guy: WorldCitizen: So basically it then boils down to whether other people from Latin America consider people from Argentina to be Latino. And from the comments in the article, it sounds like many people who call themselves Latino do not.

I'd say it also matters what the other Cardinals consider him.  Because I have a feeling they picked this guy since they saw him as the child of Italian expats, so he is Italian and thus no problems.  But they're happy to present him as a Latino.  Basically a ploy to get credit for electing a non European pope, but not actually having to bite the bullet and elect a Latino or sub Saharan African.


I agree.  There was a lot of speculation about whether or not the next Pope might be from SA or Africa, because let's face it, the Church is dying everyone except the third world and a brown pope would have been sure to sucker in a few more converts.

But they just weren't brave enough.  The found a way to claim they have a "non-white" pope whilst still having a bloody white Italian pope.  What a manipulative cop-out.  And the press have been totally happy to run with the PR line on it.
 
2013-03-26 02:07:48 AM
Latino = A person of mixed European Spanish and Central/South American Indian ancestry.

Sheesh don't they teach history anymore?
 
2013-03-26 01:18:54 PM

ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage. It's not exactly something to be proud of unless you are really racist. Latino just means of Latin American descent which can include native peoples and doesn't distinguish between ethnic origins.


Holy crap, I actually learned something on Fark.
 
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