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2013-03-25 10:04:24 AM
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2013-03-25 10:07:32 AM

NEPAman: A "Latino" is an offensive term to someone who's "Hispanic"

/Like me.

//Now I'm done.


You're all brown people to us.
 
2013-03-25 10:07:33 AM
I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but I did see this newly leaked photo of the Popemobile.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-03-25 10:08:08 AM
Latino
Chicano
Hispanic
TacoBell

No idea what they mean. Just that they're all browny people.
 
2013-03-25 10:08:52 AM

WippitGuud: What do they call black people in Europe?


Sicilian.
 
2013-03-25 10:10:41 AM

irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.


If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.
 
2013-03-25 10:12:40 AM
Just like African-American, it gives white people something to describe others in a manner that is as little derogatory as possible about people who's skin color is different and who speak a language they don't.
 
2013-03-25 10:16:55 AM

Slaxl: irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.

If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.


As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?
 
2013-03-25 10:17:51 AM

irsquareamads: Slaxl: irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.

If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.

As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?


FTFM
 
2013-03-25 10:19:17 AM
Oh! I know this one!

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/amirite?
 
2013-03-25 10:20:09 AM
I didn't realized Jonathan Pryce was the new pope.
 
2013-03-25 10:21:35 AM
I was born and raised in NYC to Argentine parents, and am currently living in Buenos Aires, so I'm getting a kick out of this 'debate'.
I think the '29 year old son of columbian immigrants' in the article is a complete idiot. I love how he's referenced like some sort of authority on all matters "Latino". He's probably never even stepped foot in South America.

Inasmuch as people here in Argentina are part of Latin America (which is what they call the continent), there's no doubt that anyone who is Argentine considers him or herself "Latino". I've confirmed this with my Argy girlfriend and several of my local friends.

With that said, they definitely do not see themselves on the same level as, say, Bolivians, Peruvians, Paraguayans, and other 'darker' countries. There is a lot of racism here against people of those countries very similar to the way Mexicans and "latinos" are viewed in the U.S.

So on the one hand, there is an overarching 'sameness' felt with other Latin American countries, and the citizens here view themselves as South Americans, whether or not their parents were born in Europe. But on the other hand, they DO feel that their European bloodline sets them apart from the 'lessor' countries in Latin America. They WOULD NOT consider the pope to be Italian, but rather an Argentine son of Italians, like such a huge portion of Argentina is. Bottom line is that the guy is as Argentine as can be, speaks spanish, drinks mate, eats asado, watches futbol, and is catholic.

Finally, to put it into perspective imagine if a U.S. cardinal like Timothy Dolan (Irish descent) was elected pope. I don't think there would be any debate about him being "American" or Irish.
 
2013-03-25 10:22:25 AM
Thread needs more Latina's
 
2013-03-25 10:23:52 AM
Like, it's just a tool of the man keeping us down! You see, he just divides us against ourselves and keeps us fighting so he can take everything we own, man. It's like the British Empire in Arabia; divide and control, dude. Divide and control.
 
2013-03-25 10:24:26 AM
The pope is not Latino, Subby. He's Italian.
 
2013-03-25 10:27:13 AM
It depends.  If I'm looking to get into college on a diversity grounds, I'm hispanic.  If I'm looking to apply for a rental in a white neighborhood, I'm white.

I think part of the reason there's sensitivity around this is that most hispanics don't have the option of 'passing' for white and so can't avoid racism and discrimination, and so they've intertwined that experience into the definition of being hispanic.  So when someone who looks Europeans claims to be hispanic you'll get everything from rolling eyes to outright hostility.
 
2013-03-25 10:28:45 AM
My apartment smells like cat food
 
2013-03-25 10:30:32 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:  What do they call black people in Europe?


Immigrants
 
2013-03-25 10:33:34 AM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: "Italo-compatible". I hate it when I bring a brand new Pope home from the store and he won't plug into my Italian popesocket.


Popesocket?  The tender young anus of an 11-to-13-year-old boy?
 
2013-03-25 10:33:43 AM

irsquareamads: As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?


Do you mean the "melting pot" concept thought up by Henry Ford when he made his employees dress in their native attire and jump into a large stage pot and come out wearing a suit?  I certainly hope not.

Think of people with multiple heritages as a metal alloy, each culture bringing its own element to the mix.  Now each element brings strengths and weaknesses that in the individual can make for a strong wonderful person.  A person that could shed the weaknesses but apply the various strengths to life and those around them.  That is how I see the melting pot of America working, when it is done right.  We do have some national successes with it, if people would stop using labels as a divider.

/I have a cultural backgrounds that aren't pleasant, but I use the strengths that they are known for.
 
2013-03-25 10:34:21 AM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: "Italo-compatible". I hate it when I bring a brand new Pope home from the store and he won't plug into my Italian popesocket.


Maybe your Italian popesocket is too old.
 
2013-03-25 10:35:08 AM
Latino is nothin but a mexican, round em up and ship em back home.
 
2013-03-25 10:36:34 AM
The voters of the ALMA awards (American Latino Media Arts) seem to think that Martin Sheen is Latino, since they gave him an award. Martin Sheen is part Spanish; his father is an immigrant from Spain. He has no connection to Latin America, but he's American and has ancestry from a country where the native language is Latin-derived, so I guess that's good enough. Except no ALMA awards have been given to Italian-Americans, French-Americans, Romanian-Americans, etc. So who the hell knows?
 
2013-03-25 10:36:37 AM

I agree with you: Latino is nothin but a mexican, round em up and ship em back home.


Where's that? Spain?
 
2013-03-25 10:39:12 AM

rkiller1: I agree with you: Latino is nothin but a mexican, round em up and ship em back home.

Where's that? Spain?


Texas.
 
2013-03-25 10:39:47 AM

lack of warmth: irsquareamads: As a Welsh decending part Cherokee-American who has a daughter who is Welsh-German-French-part Cherokee-American daughter, I absolutely agree, the country labels are stupid and dividing.  What ever happened to the "melting pot" concept?

Do you mean the "melting pot" concept thought up by Henry Ford when he made his employees dress in their native attire and jump into a large stage pot and come out wearing a suit?  I certainly hope not.

Think of people with multiple heritages as a metal alloy, each culture bringing its own element to the mix.  Now each element brings strengths and weaknesses that in the individual can make for a strong wonderful person.  A person that could shed the weaknesses but apply the various strengths to life and those around them.  That is how I see the melting pot of America working, when it is done right.  We do have some national successes with it, if people would stop using labels as a divider.

/I have a cultural backgrounds that aren't pleasant, but I use the strengths that they are known for.

No, i hadn't heard of that.  I was more thinking of the School House Rock version, or one similar to what you said.  Learning from other cultures is great, reminding them that they're another culture all the time with labels, not so great.
 
2013-03-25 10:40:53 AM

Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.


THIS
 
2013-03-25 10:41:09 AM
"Latino" and "Hispanic" are terms in common usage that tend to lose their meaning the closer you look at them. My old grad-school roommate was a perfect example of this.

The guy came from Chile, where his family has lived for over 250 years, and his name is Felipe'. So he speaks perfect Spanish, is culturally in sync with Chilean customs and traditions, etc.  So... Hispanic, right?

Not so fast. His last name is very English, he'd spent half his life in NJ, speaks English with no Spanish accent whatsoever, and is the dorkiest-looking white guy that ever ordered from LL Bean.  Think... republican David Byrne.

Hispanic? Latino? To this day, I have no idea whether he qualifies for either of these terms.
 
2013-03-25 10:41:42 AM
Geez, it couldn't be because of the SPANISH explorers, could it? hiSPANic, and all that. Don't they all speak SPANish, or some derivative, like Portuguese?

SPAIN. It's really not hard to imagine.
 
2013-03-25 10:45:49 AM
Another way to keep racism alive and well? I mean, how can we treat everyone equally if we cant classify everyone differently right?
 
2013-03-25 10:46:51 AM

Head_Shot: Don't they all speak SPANish, or some derivative, like Portuguese?


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-03-25 10:48:18 AM

dittybopper: flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino

Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".


Thanks for a non-turkey WKRP reference!
 
2013-03-25 10:48:45 AM
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Born in Panama.

/WHAR is birther movement?  WHAR!!!???!!!
 
2013-03-25 10:52:02 AM
He's not Latino. He's Italian. If my German and Italian parents moved to Mexico before I was born, that wouldn't make my heritage Mexican, even if I was born a citizen of Mexico.
 
2013-03-25 10:52:40 AM
The Argentinians think of themselves more as Italians than they do Hispanics because of the high
percentage of Italian immigrants who settled there.
 
2013-03-25 10:54:53 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


Also meaningless is saying that race is a human construct.

Additionally, try telling that to the non-West-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds.  If you can find him.

Any geneticist can look at someone's DNA and determine what continent a majority of their ancestors came from.  And this will roughly correspond to race.  I agree that most of the baggage that goes along with race is stupid and unnecessary, but to say it's something totally invented by modern society is more than a little naive.
 
2013-03-25 10:56:14 AM
A Latino is someone who speaks a Latin based language. Like French, or Portuguese.

A Hispanic is someone from the Isle of Hispaniola. 

A Chicano is, hell, something that was made up.  Like Kwanza.
 
2013-03-25 10:56:51 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?


Sub-Saharan Africa is called "Black Africa"
Rap, R&B, Jazz, etc are called "Black Music"
 
2013-03-25 10:56:59 AM

gfbabbitt: dittybopper: flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino

Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".

Thanks for a non-turkey WKRP reference!


As God is my witness, I though Latinos could fly.

/For those of you who've just tuned in, the Pinedale Shopping Mall has just been  bombed with live Pontiffs
 
2013-03-25 10:57:40 AM

Mr_Fabulous: "Latino" and "Hispanic" are terms in common usage that tend to lose their meaning the closer you look at them. My old grad-school roommate was a perfect example of this.

The guy came from Chile, where his family has lived for over 250 years, and his name is Felipe'. So he speaks perfect Spanish, is culturally in sync with Chilean customs and traditions, etc.  So... Hispanic, right?

Not so fast. His last name is very English, he'd spent half his life in NJ, speaks English with no Spanish accent whatsoever, and is the dorkiest-looking white guy that ever ordered from LL Bean.  Think... republican David Byrne.

Hispanic? Latino? To this day, I have no idea whether he qualifies for either of these terms.


His last name might be a problem but otherwise he could meet the diversity requirements at colleges, corporations and government agencies, and those institutions can claim they're meeting diversity requirements.

The problem is that darker skinned hispanics don't consider that progress.  The issue isn't national descent or culture, it's skin color and racial heritage, because that's where the discrimination really shows up.  So whenever anyone holds up a light-skinned, European-looking hispanic's accomplishment as progress, there's a a lot of scoffing and sneering within the hispanic community.  The darker skinned hispanic community anyway.
 
2013-03-25 10:58:01 AM
This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"
 
2013-03-25 11:03:13 AM

jaytkay: This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"


Sometimes it has a real effect though.  Like when someone describes themselves as an American Indian because their grandfather from 5 generations ago was 1/4 Cherokee, and now they can open up a tax free mega casino.  Or when that lily white, born in America non spanish-speaking high school grad takes a spot at a choice college because he's 'hispanic'.
 
2013-03-25 11:04:17 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


Then why do I want to bang Asian chicks so much?
 
2013-03-25 11:04:34 AM

Slaxl: irsquareamads: WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?

I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.

If we're discussing their nationality we call them British, if we're discussing the colour of their skin we call them black, or whatever.  If we're discussing their heritage we will sometimes use Afro-Caribbean, if they are from that area, otherwise it's African, or if more information is known, then the specific country they came from. You won't get Kenyan-English, or Afro-Londonese, either they're British, or they're Congolese.

I personally think calling people Italian-American, African-American, etc, is just a needless barrier to further integration. Everyone should just be American and embrace that, not the past divisions that keep hate alive.

Anyway, the pope is Latino if Latino means someone from Latin America. If he's Italian then he just has a further claim to the Latin part.


I agree with you - it's more like that in Canada (except Quebec.) They always refer to themselves as "Canadian" before whatever other heritage they have. I think part of the problem is that in the USA, we do not really have our own culture, as we encourage everyone to retain their own culture when they come here, which does is inherently divisive. My heritage is German, Italian and French, and each of those countries has their own strong identity and culture. The world might see Germans as beer drinking, lederhosen and dirndl wearing people, but they view all Americans as Clark Griswold. What kind of culture is that? It's embarrassing.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 11:05:09 AM

thisiszombocom: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

Then why do I want to bang Asian chicks so much?


Crap.  This changes my whole perspective on life.  I want to bang Asian chicks too.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 11:06:04 AM

FLMountainMan: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

Also meaningless is saying that race is a human construct.

Additionally, try telling that to the non-West-African who has ever run the 100 meter dash in less than ten seconds.  If you can find him.

Any geneticist can look at someone's DNA and determine what continent a majority of their ancestors came from.  And this will roughly correspond to race.  I agree that most of the baggage that goes along with race is stupid and unnecessary, but to say it's something totally invented by modern society is more than a little naive.


Genetics doesn't equal race.
 
2013-03-25 11:11:57 AM
Duh, Latino is one of the search terms on our favorite porn sites to find a specific looking female.

It's also those people that do all the jobs Amerkuns are too lazy to do.

It said so on teh internets the other day, so it must be true.
 
2013-03-25 11:15:51 AM
My family lived in Cuba for many generations, though before that, all of them did come from Spain. Still, I consider myself "Cuban," not "Spanish." I'm white. I'm also hispanic/latina/whatever.

People who think you need to look like a stereotype to "count" are assholes. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, asian hispanics, native hispanics, and mixed-race hispanics.
 
2013-03-25 11:16:29 AM

jaytkay: This thread: "It is very important that people describe themselves only in ways I approve"


fozziewazzi: Sometimes it has a real effect though.


99.9999% of the time it's simply people showing their xenophobia and racism.
 
2013-03-25 11:17:06 AM
Who gives a shiat?  I thought we were one world community, or some such.

Target marketing=racism.
 
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