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(Yahoo)   What exactly is a Latino? Even the Pope doesn't know, and he's supposed to be one   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 140
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2013-03-25 08:03:01 AM
Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?
 
2013-03-25 08:05:37 AM
He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.
 
2013-03-25 08:08:21 AM

dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?


It's sideways from a neutrino
 
2013-03-25 08:09:03 AM
I'll need to see his tats before making an official call.
 
2013-03-25 08:09:06 AM
I submitted this with a better headline
 
2013-03-25 08:11:15 AM
Nazis who fled to Argentina are as Latino as the Pope.
 
2013-03-25 08:15:28 AM

Sybarite: I'll need to see his tats before making an official call.


*plays repel card*
 
2013-03-25 08:15:46 AM

flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino


Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".
 
2013-03-25 08:19:21 AM

Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.


Didn't they used to speak Latin in Rome?
 
2013-03-25 08:27:14 AM
I wish I had paid more attention to latin in school so I could understand this issue.
 
2013-03-25 08:47:48 AM
So basically it then boils down to whether other people from Latin America consider people from Argentina to be Latino. And from the comments in the article, it sounds like many people who call themselves Latino do not.
 
2013-03-25 08:48:50 AM

ADHD Librarian: I wish I had paid more attention to latin in school so I could understand this issue.


Ignorantia lingua latīna non excusat
 
2013-03-25 08:51:10 AM

dittybopper: flucto: dittybopper: Isn't a latino one of the six types of leptons?

It's sideways from a neutrino

Ah, yes, the "Neutral Ones".  They hang out with the Pros while the Elected Ones circle around.

/Tron means "Dude".


Thank you Venus.
 
2013-03-25 08:54:35 AM

ADHD Librarian: I wish I had paid more attention to latin in school so I could understand this issue.


Tu Stultus Es?

I KEED
 
2013-03-25 09:00:20 AM
Of course he isn't, he has never lived in the US.

/understand this is kind of a blurry term, but that's the stated position of my hispanic inlaws
//they don't consider themselves Latinos either, being dispersed between Mexico, Spain and Canada
 
2013-03-25 09:11:39 AM
And I'm an American Indian because I was born in the US.
 
2013-03-25 09:12:11 AM
Is it a miserable little pile of secrets?  After all, a Latino is a man.
 
2013-03-25 09:14:45 AM

costermonger: hispanic inlaws


Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage. It's not exactly something to be proud of unless you are really racist. Latino just means of Latin American descent which can include native peoples and doesn't distinguish between ethnic origins.

See also why Mexican women don't shave their legs.
 
2013-03-25 09:17:44 AM
The Pope speaks Latin. He's a Latino. Why is that so hard?
 
2013-03-25 09:21:33 AM

vernonFL: The Pope speaks Latin. He's a Latino. Why is that so hard?


In Canuckistan he'd be referred to as "Latinophone" (whether he has a phone or not).
 
2013-03-25 09:28:04 AM
Italians, Latinos, it's all the same.
 
2013-03-25 09:30:07 AM

ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage.


I dunno man, we really don't use any of these terms in Canada; I was going by the different terms they were using to differentiate between what was and wasn't latino.

To be honest, they were arguing about it and I was just enjoying the food & drinks.

/by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels
 
2013-03-25 09:30:41 AM

WorldCitizen: So basically it then boils down to whether other people from Latin America consider people from Argentina to be Latino. And from the comments in the article, it sounds like many people who call themselves Latino do not.


I'd say it also matters what the other Cardinals consider him.  Because I have a feeling they picked this guy since they saw him as the child of Italian expats, so he is Italian and thus no problems.  But they're happy to present him as a Latino.  Basically a ploy to get credit for electing a non European pope, but not actually having to bite the bullet and elect a Latino or sub Saharan African.
 
2013-03-25 09:32:28 AM
"Italo-compatible". I hate it when I bring a brand new Pope home from the store and he won't plug into my Italian popesocket.
 
2013-03-25 09:34:46 AM
A "Latino" is an offensive term to someone who's "Hispanic"

/Like me.

//Now I'm done.
 
2013-03-25 09:36:25 AM
Taco-flavored breakfast cereal?
 
2013-03-25 09:37:44 AM
The Pope is not a ploy! He's a Latino and his name is Francis.

Seriously, though, doesn't matter that his parents are immigrants, he was born there, lived the culture, and spoke the language. He is as Argentinian as Osvaldo Pugliese.
 
2013-03-25 09:38:06 AM
He's still white. Who cares where he comes from. Wake me up when they have a REAL ethnic minority for a Pope.
 
2013-03-25 09:39:16 AM

Happy Hours: Gwendolyn: He's an Italian who grew up in Argentina. He's as Latino as I am.

Didn't they used to speak Latin in Rome?


Thanks Mr. Quayle.
 
2013-03-25 09:40:58 AM

costermonger: ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage.

I dunno man, we really don't use any of these terms in Canada; I was going by the different terms they were using to differentiate between what was and wasn't latino.

To be honest, they were arguing about it and I was just enjoying the food & drinks.

/by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels


It's very loaded here. In Mexico, Central, and South America, people go out of their way to indicate that they are "pure" Europeans. Women in Mexico don't shave their legs so they can prove they are not Indias. If you can't grow body hair, you are considered mestiza and therefore less valuable.
 
2013-03-25 09:42:09 AM

NEPAman: A "Latino" is an offensive term to someone who's "Hispanic"

/Like me.

//Now I'm done.


And there you are.
 
2013-03-25 09:43:34 AM

ginandbacon: Women in Mexico don't shave their legs so they can prove they are not Indias


Could be true, but I haven't observed this in any of the Mexican women I know; here or there.
 
2013-03-25 09:45:33 AM

MetryPapi:

Seriously, though, doesn't matter that his parents are immigrants, he was born there, lived the culture, and spoke the language. He is as Argentinian as Osvaldo Pugliese.


THIS ^^^^^^^^
 
2013-03-25 09:46:36 AM
Latino Heat!

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2013-03-25 09:46:39 AM

costermonger: Of course he isn't, he has never lived in the US.

/understand this is kind of a blurry term, but that's the stated position of my hispanic inlaws
//they don't consider themselves Latinos either, being dispersed between Mexico, Spain and Canada


I'll have to ask my cousin's husband about this.  His family tree goes back to Italy (a ways back), but he was born in Mexico and now lives in Colorado.

/His family did a good job teaching my cousin how to cook authentic Mexican
//great salsa at the last family reunion
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-25 09:47:32 AM
Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.
 
2013-03-25 09:47:57 AM
No true Scotsman Latino?

/give him the Sharpie test
 
2013-03-25 09:48:42 AM

catmandu: MetryPapi:

Seriously, though, doesn't matter that his parents are immigrants, he was born there, lived the culture, and spoke the language. He is as Argentinian as Osvaldo Pugliese.

THIS ^^^^^^^^


Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?
 
2013-03-25 09:49:57 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


So it language.
 
2013-03-25 09:50:11 AM

lack of warmth: /His family did a good job teaching my cousin how to cook authentic Mexican//great salsa at the last family reunion


My wife has a few good authentic dishes but I suspect my mother in law held back on the good stuff as a method of ensuring all the kids & significant others would show up on a regular basis for a family meal. And it works, I have to say.
 
2013-03-25 09:50:50 AM

mrlewish: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

So it language.


"is" damn it "is"
 
2013-03-25 09:51:25 AM
irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?
 
2013-03-25 09:52:52 AM
I find that the same people who want to exclude people of pure European heritage that were born in South America from calling themselves "Latino" also get upset with how Americans have claimed the title, "American" for themselves. Their argument is, by being from South America, they should have the right to be called, "Americans" too rather than "South Americans." Never mind the fact that again,  the people these "Latinos" exclude from calling themselves "Latinos" are often from Roman rooted cultures. You know, Romans. The original Latins.

/seriously, did I miss that day in history class where Caesar crossed the Rubicon into Lima?
//half Puerto Rican. Doesn't call herself Latino because I feel I should be wearing a toga when doing so
 
2013-03-25 09:53:49 AM
A "Latino" is anyone who self identifies as "Latino".  I, for example, am a German-Latino-American.

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2013-03-25 09:56:20 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?


I don't know, ask a European.  I'd assume that they'd call them by whatever country they're from.  I don't think there are too many African-Englishman or African-Germans running around.
 
2013-03-25 09:56:35 AM

ginandbacon: costermonger: ginandbacon: Hispanic is used to imply Spanish origins as a way to distinguish themselves from having any indigenous heritage.

I dunno man, we really don't use any of these terms in Canada; I was going by the different terms they were using to differentiate between what was and wasn't latino.

To be honest, they were arguing about it and I was just enjoying the food & drinks.

/by that definition, they  are hispanic; I was unaware it had more racial connotations than your standard ethnic labels

It's very loaded here. In Mexico, Central, and South America, people go out of their way to indicate that they are "pure" Europeans. Women in Mexico don't shave their legs so they can prove they are not Indias. If you can't grow body hair, you are considered mestiza and therefore less valuable.


I have worked in Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and Ecuador.  And I Colombian and Italian.

I have never run across any women in all my philandering who did not shave their legs, much less to prove they are European   They just say they are European, but still shave shave their legs.  And latin american women are a vain bunch.

They might have their supposed "coat of arms" hanging on the wall in the house, and the maid my cell them Patrona, but you can be damn sure they shave their legs.

The only hair legged gals I have seen are maids.  Plus, not all Europs are uber hairy.
 
2013-03-25 09:57:53 AM

d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.


Now cultural differences are fascinating and hold some real value.  No one culture is perfect and can learn some cool stuff from the others.

Like in my earlier post, I learned how much difference it makes to actually flame broil tomatoes and peppers before making salsa.  I don't think I taught them anything that weekend but I got a good cooking lesson.
 
2013-03-25 10:00:41 AM

mrlewish: mrlewish: d23: Race is a human construct.  It's meaningless.

So it language.

"is" damn it "is"


made a batter point the way it was ;-)

/Romani ite domum!
 
2013-03-25 10:01:47 AM

WippitGuud: irsquareamads:

Yet we call all black people in America "African-Americans" pretty much regardless of where they were actually born (US, Haiti, etc), so technically wouldn't he be an "Italian-Argentinian"?

What do they call black people in Europe?


Usually by their first name, except in formal occasion, where the surname is usually preceded with title.
 
2013-03-25 10:02:06 AM

mekki: I find that the same people who want to exclude people of pure European heritage that were born in South America from calling themselves "Latino" also get upset with how Americans have claimed the title, "American" for themselves. Their argument is, by being from South America, they should have the right to be called, "Americans" too rather than "South Americans." Never mind the fact that again,  the people these "Latinos" exclude from calling themselves "Latinos" are often from Roman rooted cultures. You know, Romans. The original Latins.

/seriously, did I miss that day in history class where Caesar crossed the Rubicon into Lima?
//half Puerto Rican. Doesn't call herself Latino because I feel I should be wearing a toga when doing so


I generally do not refer to myself as latino or hispanic but after having lived in Colombia on and off for the last 20 years, and worked in many South American countries I never heard this argument  that sounds like something a second generation US born liberal arts student would say.

South Americans figure they are Americans, as they are, but you never hear the word latino in South American because  they are mostly all latinos so they refer to each other by the country they are from.
 
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