*sigh*

So this is a new standard unit? How many volkswagon beetles is that?

Thank God this monster is off the street.

/Our tax dollars at work!

Lesson: Don't steal from the U.S. Government. Unless your title has "The Honorable" in it... Then, it's expected.

So it wasn't just me who thought the Steubenville rapist sentence was almost comically light?

Ehhh, I don't really understand the utility of comparing possible punishments for different crimes in different states.

Meatballs are very important in NY.

If it's legitimate meatball theft, the female body has a way to shut that whole thing down.

The Aristocrats!

or something...

Did she pee on them too like they did?

Ok. So theft AND possession of stolen property? What the fark that sounds like she is just being charged twice for a $10 bag of meatballs.

Inflammatory headline aside. Stealing is one of the first crimes that should be looked at more severely. If the person needs to steal from the employer, they are scum. She probably did this countless other times without any repercussions, so now that she is caught, the punishment should be higher to take into account  all the times she got away with it.

But no one goes to jail for the malfeasance that led to the 2008 economic collapse.

Gifted Many Few: Inflammatory headline aside. Stealing is one of the first crimes that should be looked at more severely. If the person needs to steal from the employer, they are scum. She probably did this countless other times without any repercussions, so now that she is caught, the punishment should be higher to take into account  all the times she got away with it.

So, when I was at my last job, I should be held accountable for all the paper clips, pens, post its, calculators, staplers, staples, hole punchers, rubber stamps, and everything else that I took from the job that the apparently never missed?

/Janitor, what can you bring this company that others can't?
//The fax machine from my last employer.

If this jail term was laid end-to-end, it would be longer than ten football fields.

The maximum sentence one faces is not often doled out and most defendants plea to the charges to get less than the maximum or stay out of jail/prison altogether in exchange for not taking up time by going to trial.  I guarantee the rapists "faced" more than they got, but their setence was what the judge deemed appropriate upon conviction.  This lady will probably just end up on probation if convicted, unless she has a history of stealing.

What's the conversion to Rhode Islands?

She's going to Juvie?

vygramul: Are people REALLY going to ignore the fact that the rapists are children, and then compare their sentences to adult sentences?

I think the rapists should DIAF, but this kind of argument is just stupid.

So you think children should die in a fire?

No means NO.     If a juvenile rapes a meatball, it needs punished.

I don't know how different states handle raping a whole bag, but the point is the same.

Great Janitor: So, when I was at my last job, I should be held accountable for all the paper clips, pens, post its, calculators, staplers, staples, hole punchers, rubber stamps, and everything else that I took from the job that the apparently never missed?

Oh they were missed. But the supply people have to work in theft when they order things. It's sad that companies know that they have thieves working for them and they need to adjust pricing and ordering because of it. We used to have someone here, who was always going to the supply room for ink. After a few months, someone realized he didn't even have a printer. Where did the ink go? They let him quietly leave because of his position, but after he was gone, theft decreased considerably.

Gracious... A minimum-wage worker steals some frozen food and gets a harsher sentence in a worse place than two star football players who RAPED A TEENAGER? Go fetch my outrage stick, boy.

There is definitely no possible way this can be right. I get that the thief lied, but at least she didn't post her entire crime on Facebook and then pretend in front of a jury and the media that she didn't do it. As someone with a degree in criminal justice, I'm tired of heparin about the inequalities of the justice system. In my jurisdiction theft of that amount of goods would lead to maybe a month in the county (parish, since I'm in Louisiana) jail or a token fine. But because this was at West Point and therefore a federal crime--three years in prison.

My outrage, it is spent.

Oh FFS. They were minors and charged as minors. Therefore treated as minors. The law makes a legal distinction between adult and kids for a goddamn good reason.

If you want to compare it to something to be truly outraged about compare it to the bankers who didn't face anything for laundering money to drug cartels.

vygramul: Are people REALLY going to ignore the fact that the rapists are children, and then compare their sentences to adult sentences?

I think the rapists should DIAF, but this kind of argument is just stupid.

They were anything but children. They're 17 years old--old enough to be tried for murder, and for damned sure old enough to know you should not rape or molest a teenage girl against her will and then peeing on her, all the while recording it with the intention to post it online.*

*In most jurisdictions that qualifies as production, possession, and distribution of child porrbography. Is Ohio different on that?

At least she didn't share copyrighted material on the internet. That would get her a sentence as long as if she killed someone.

Warlordtrooper: Oh FFS. They were minors and charged as minors. Therefore treated as minors. The law makes a legal distinction between adult and kids for a goddamn good reason.

If you want to compare it to something to be truly outraged about compare it to the bankers who didn't face anything for laundering money to drug cartels.

Sorry, but that comparison won't fit my narrative of pernicious, patriarchical sexism keeping down American women.

I'm sure I could do something with the bankers; they're mostly dudes, but comparing the housekeeper to rapists is just a better fit for my feminist agenda.

Gifted Many Few: Great Janitor: So, when I was at my last job, I should be held accountable for all the paper clips, pens, post its, calculators, staplers, staples, hole punchers, rubber stamps, and everything else that I took from the job that the apparently never missed?

Oh they were missed. But the supply people have to work in theft when they order things. It's sad that companies know that they have thieves working for them and they need to adjust pricing and ordering because of it...

This.  Whenever I ordered paper for our printer, I always had to allow for the guy that would grab 2 reams from the new case on his way out the door that evening coontil he finally retired).

/why would you need roughly a ream of paper per week at home?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: So you think children should die in a fire?

I'm not the person who you're asking, but I'll bite.

Depends.  If they gang-raped a girl for six hours, urinated on her, captured it on video and in photos, then distributed the images to the world while boasting of their exploits, and the only reason you call them "children" is because they haven't yet reached an arbitrary birthday after which we declare them to instantly be "adults", then yes, they should DIAF no matter who they are, in my opinion.

Obviously sentences vary from State to State.

In our state a juvenile driving with no license ran over a dog and killed it.     She got 200 hours community service.    Oh, and I forgot to mention she also ran over and killed the man walking the dog  too.

Father of 3 etc... etc...

If you can run over people and kill them while doing something illegal (and you know it is), then personally I think that a few football players getting rapey on a girl and not have to go to jail.
And that would apply to a meatball thief.

/she said she was sorry.    Good enough for court.   Next case.

THX 1138: The_Gallant_Gallstone: So you think children should die in a fire?

I'm not the person who you're asking, but I'll bite.

Depends.  If they gang-raped a girl for six hours, urinated on her, captured it on video and in photos, then distributed the images to the world while boasting of their exploits, and the only reason you call them "children" is because they haven't yet reached an arbitrary birthday after which we declare them to instantly be "adults", then yes, they should DIAF no matter who they are, in my opinion.

Then you would agree they should be allowed to drink smoke gamble enlist vote etc.

...those meatballs were asking for it.

THX 1138: The_Gallant_Gallstone: So you think children should die in a fire?

I'm not the person who you're asking, but I'll bite.

Depends.  If they gang-raped a girl for six hours, urinated on her, captured it on video and in photos, then distributed the images to the world while boasting of their exploits, and the only reason you call them "children" is because they haven't yet reached an arbitrary birthday after which we declare them to instantly be "adults", then yes, they should DIAF no matter who they are, in my opinion.

Ageed

She was trying to stockpile meatballs of mass destruction (if you eat 3 of those belly bombers, there will be mass destruction).

How about we see what she actually gets sentenced to first. The 1-year terms are the maximum penalty for a Class A misdemeanor in NY, the minimum could be a small fine or suspended sentence.  People very rarely get the maximum sentence for first offenses for minor crimes, and even then the  the sentences would likely be concurrent.

/IANAL

UtileDysfunktion: Gifted Many Few: Great Janitor: So, when I was at my last job, I should be held accountable for all the paper clips, pens, post its, calculators, staplers, staples, hole punchers, rubber stamps, and everything else that I took from the job that the apparently never missed?

Oh they were missed. But the supply people have to work in theft when they order things. It's sad that companies know that they have thieves working for them and they need to adjust pricing and ordering because of it...

This.  Whenever I ordered paper for our printer, I always had to allow for the guy that would grab 2 reams from the new case on his way out the door that evening coontil he finally retired).

/why would you need roughly a ream of paper per week at home?

When I was doing it, I had a home based business, and used my previous employer to help fund my home based business via what I could take from the office.

Warlordtrooper: Then you would agree they should be allowed to drink smoke gamble enlist vote etc.

Not sure why you'd make that assumption at all.   Those privileges have nothing to do with my opinion that they should DIAF.

Phil McKraken: But no one goes to jail for the malfeasance that led to the 2008 economic collapse.

Mostly because people were sent to jail for trying to prevent the malfeasance that led to the 2008 financial collapse, and these prisoners might demand new trials (or, gawd forbid, be acquitted) just because they turned out to be correct.

/they were bankers, too
//you're not going to show the mob you've whipped into an anti-banker frenzy that you're soft on bankers, are you?

We've become the last French Monarchy.  Stealing loaves of bread and getting life sentences sort of thing.
So what would they do if she'd raped someone or killed someone?
You can only execute a person once (just a short fyi there).

THX 1138: Not sure why you'd make that assumption at all. Those privileges have nothing to do with my opinion that they should DIAF.

I think his point is that if you are enough of an adult to be executed for your actions, then you are enough of an adult to drink, smoke, and vote.

So why was the housekeeper charged as a minor?

doglover: Employees are not thieves. They are employees. When they take things like office supplies, it's a perk and everyone does it. I mean really, next you're gonna tell me you don't take the occasional robe from a hotel when you stay.

Never. That goes for towels, soaps, the stationary. I take with me what I brought. Nothing more. I can buy things that I need, I don't have to steal. Taking office supplies is not a perk. It is theft, plain and simple.

Warlordtrooper: Oh FFS. They were minors and charged as minors. Therefore treated as minors. The law makes a legal distinction between adult and kids for a goddamn good reason.

If you want to compare it to something to be truly outraged about compare it to the bankers who didn't face anything for laundering money to drug cartels.

They gang raped another person for hours and posted about it.  They were 17 years old, they were adults.  They should have been tried as adults then left in juvie till they turned 18 then transferred to a "normal" prison for another 10-15 years like anyone else would have gotten.  Just being under that magical age of 18 doesn't mean you can do whatever the hell you want.

If you have any 16 year old kids better tell them to start raping people because they won't get in any trouble they are minors.

doglover: Employees are not thieves. They are employees. When they take things like office supplies, it's a perk and everyone does it. I mean really, next you're gonna tell me you don't take the occasional robe from a hotel when you stay.

Is there official guidance on how far you should go before you leave "perk country"?

Is there a maximum cash value we should consider?  No one at my office cares if I take home a $1.99 box of paper clips, but I might have a problem if I try to stea.... I mean "take" a laptop.

Let's say the maximum acceptable amount of appropriation is $10 a week.

What if I create an intricate network of fake bills and funnel them to my buddy who works in accounts payable, who then cuts checks to the fictitious businesses I created and then we split the proceeds 50-50?  Would that be okay as long as we keep the fake invoices at or under $10 a week?