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(JSOnline)   Undocumented immigrant uses video game account to gain citizenship. This is not a repeat from The Last Starfighter   (jsonline.com) divider line 63
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2013-03-25 08:10:20 AM  
7 votes:
Love the story, but DACA is not citizenship, or even a direct path to citizenship.
2013-03-25 10:47:55 AM  
4 votes:
Undocumented ILLEGAL immigrant uses video game account to gain citizenship.

FTFS
2013-03-25 09:54:48 AM  
4 votes:
It's so nice to see that people can be rewarded for breaking the law...Good job Mr. Munoz...
2013-03-25 09:37:13 AM  
4 votes:
You mean illegal alien?
2013-03-25 10:49:53 AM  
3 votes:
So if my parents rob a bank when im little i get to keep all the ill-gotten gains right? After all it wasnt my fault and you cant take anything away.
2013-03-25 10:07:39 AM  
3 votes:

KrispyKritter: KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?

came here when he was one, parents were on some sort of visa which expired long ago. meanwhile he attended and graduated elementary & high schools.


Think his family paid more in taxes than his schooling cost? Somehow I doubt it. How much money did his family send back to Mexico?
2013-03-25 07:56:30 AM  
3 votes:
Up to your old Excalibur tricks again, eh, Centauri?
2013-03-25 02:21:24 PM  
2 votes:
"I wanted to go to school, but if I got a degree from a college or technical school, how would I get a job without citizenship?" he said. "I was scared. I was frozen. I didn't know what to do."

I dunno... become a citizen?
2013-03-25 11:57:00 AM  
2 votes:
can we please use the correct terminology. It's "illegal alien" NOT "undocumented worker".  Remember, they're here ILLEGALLY!!
2013-03-25 11:51:49 AM  
2 votes:
"What do we do?!"

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"We die".
2013-03-25 11:01:47 AM  
2 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: rkiller1: Dr Dreidel: Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!

My maths say a primary and seconadary education in the cheese state is around $5,000 per year, so 12 years x $5000 = $60,000.  I wonder if his family paid that much in taxes?  If they did, he can stay.

Since undocumented workers do not file tax returns to get their moneys back as that will lead to the whole "fake SS#/Green card" (if any) outing of said worker, they just may have paid for his edumacation, and then some. One of the first steps to legal residency for such types (after the hiring of the lawyer) is to file a tax return, which I assume is terrifying.


An illegal can file taxes, illegal immigrants are given an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).This year year millions of illegal immigrants will once again rake in billions of dollars  Did you know that illegal immigrants all over the United States are using a massive scam to receive tax refunds from the federal government that are often in excess of $10,000? It is estimated that 2 million illegal immigrants are filing fraudulent tax returns each year and that they are pulling in more than 4 billion dollars in tax refunds every year that they are not entitled to. They are doing this by abusing the additional child tax credit and the IRS knows all about it and yet they refuse to do anything to stop it.
2013-03-25 10:59:33 AM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: KrispyKritter: KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?

came here when he was one, parents were on some sort of visa which expired long ago. meanwhile he attended and graduated elementary & high schools.

Think his family paid more in taxes than his schooling cost? Somehow I doubt it. How much money did his family send back to Mexico?


Actually most illegal immigrants put more tax revenue into the system than legal residents because taxes are taken out of their paychecks if they have an above-board job and they never get the refunds for fear of being detected. As to sending money back to Mexico, they earned it shouldn't they be the ones to decide when and where to spend it? Or is that only for us white folks?
2013-03-25 10:59:12 AM  
2 votes:

Richard C Stanford: The last star fighter? What the hell is that? Isn't it that animated rip-off of Star Wars?


You shut your mouth when you're talking about one of the greatest 80s movies of all time. OF ALL TIME.
2013-03-25 10:56:40 AM  
2 votes:

Fizpez: Joe Blowme: So if my parents rob a bank when im little i get to keep all the ill-gotten gains right? After all it wasnt my fault and you cant take anything away.

Well using your analogy and the stunning logic displayed by some people in this thread it would be BETTER to take the money away, make a nice little pile and then set it on fire.

The kid's education has already been paid for - it's actually in our best interest to keep him working here and paying taxes.


If I neglect to pay taxes most of my life, should I get a free pass? Was he filing his federal income taxes, and paying in? You know how many billions of untaxed dollars are sent back home from these people?

If nothing else, I would expect some sanity about the tax evasion of illegals. People sure want to nail Americans who cheat on taxes.
2013-03-25 10:14:47 AM  
2 votes:
Still hot....

www.magweb.com
2013-03-25 10:10:51 AM  
2 votes:

nickerj1: TFA: "I wanted to go to school, but if I got a degree from a college or technical school, how would I get a job without citizenship?" he said.

With a work visa? Just a wild guess.


Sadly, that's not how work visas work.
2013-03-25 10:08:00 AM  
2 votes:

KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?


You didn't used to need a SS# to attend primary school in California. He's about the same age as my son, and I didn't need to provide one to enroll him. So since the article dude started school in Cali, chances are they would have just sent for his transcripts from Cali when he enrolled in Milwaukee after third grade.

Also, a fake alien registration number is easier to get and pass off as genuine. A lot of people don't know what a green card looks like, so they can buy a copy of someone's card, and even if it's obviously fake to someone who has seen them before (such as not having the right thumb print - HUGE giveaway), the dude or dudette behind the counter at the local rundown elementary school is either not going to know or not going to care.
2013-03-25 10:06:17 AM  
2 votes:

KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?


You don't need a ss# to attend elementary, middle, or high school. All you need is residence within the school district. The Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that denying basic education to children because of the actions of their parents is unconstitutional.
2013-03-25 09:51:16 AM  
2 votes:
"undocumented"  -  oh geesh, not this garbage again.

That is like saying a thief is an "undocumented owner"
2013-03-25 09:48:06 AM  
2 votes:
So he went to school but has not worked in all that time???? SURE........
2013-03-25 09:47:35 AM  
2 votes:

Gifted Many Few: So he spent all his time being lazy and playing video games? Sounds like a great addition to our bloated and entitled workforce. Maybe he can get himself a sweet union position just so he can do less work than playing video games


Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!
2013-03-25 09:47:26 AM  
2 votes:

Ebenator: Am I alone in thinking that Centari was really annoying and that bringing him back at the end was just pandering to the audience?


I watched it recently, I don't think it was pandering, I think it was setting up for the sequel that never was.  It wouldn't surprise me if the original draft had him and Xur die, but a rewrite kept them around for a possible sequel.
2013-03-25 09:46:22 AM  
2 votes:
Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?
2013-03-25 09:42:19 AM  
2 votes:
So he spent all his time being lazy and playing video games? Sounds like a great addition to our bloated and entitled workforce. Maybe he can get himself a sweet union position just so he can do less work than playing video games
2013-03-25 09:39:41 AM  
2 votes:
Am I alone in thinking that Centari was really annoying and that bringing him back at the end was just pandering to the audience?
2013-03-25 09:38:08 AM  
2 votes:
Maybe they should have renewed their visa; then they'd be here legally.

/ he took 'er jobs!
2013-03-25 09:32:34 AM  
2 votes:
So his family is going to be sent back now that we know where they are, right?
2013-03-25 09:32:09 AM  
2 votes:

Dust: Love the story, but DACA is not citizenship, or even a direct path to citizenship.


Exactly. Headline is completely misleading.
2013-03-25 09:20:26 AM  
2 votes:
That scene when the guy takes his face off for the first time - freaked me the f*ck out as a kid.
2013-03-26 05:20:17 PM  
1 votes:

grath: serial_crusher: grath: People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.

Yes, I'm sure none of the people complaining about illegal immigrants have never ever complained about welfare queens.  Completely opposite sides of the venn diagram, amirite?

i personally KNOW a welfare queen that complains about this sort of thing happening.

I pointed out the hypocrisy and she straight up said "well I'm american so it doesn't count"
I called her a waste and a drain on society as a whole and haven't spoken to her since.


You should drop a dime on her ass.  I did it to my neighbor that was "handicapped" yet had no problem hauling their bike bumpily down the stairs for a fun ride at 5am. They moved back to Arizona to game the system there.   Also dropped a dime on the scumbag ID stealing freaks that I met over ebay and strung them along until it was all done.  They did happen to be illegals.  Mexico and Guatemala can split the bill on my wife's car that was hit by a vanload of em making an illegal (non-ironic) turn.  Cops thought it was too much of a hassle to process all 12 of them as did our insurance company so here we are still paying for some stupid crap that should have never happened 6 years later.  Real cool.  Perhaps my absolute all time fave was the lil Detrizzle piece of shizzle and his shiat fam that got moved in and proceeded to set up shop moving stolen car parts in the middle of the night (as well as the bar-closing coke run of 11-3am to come bumping bass home), buy and default on a restaurant to launder the money that was funneled in by a black only tax assist center.  This was all supported by a "rebuild black detroit" business loan that are the plaintiffs.  Lot going on there, but waiting for it to go from civil to criminal.  Pretty funny and didn't have to do a thing but complain once to the staff about the coke stuff and apparently there was plenty of other shiate they were privy to.  It is funny to read the court docs and watch bank accounts change for payment as the credit ponzi scheme crumbles.  He has made it as low as credit union, so next months payments will be that Montel Williams credit card or Bazooka Joe gum comics lol.  Just so nice to see after looking at the collection of $50,000+ cars that kept showing up in their collection.  They are proper ghetto though so assets are all probably hidden in minor children's names under the care of some auntie so no one can ever take it without a bunch of difficulty.  Good times.
2013-03-26 12:35:41 AM  
1 votes:

grath: everyone who is pissed off at this is ridiculous.

Family moves here with their kid, He's a year old. his parents raise him well, he goes to school graduates with honors and his biggest gripe is that he can't get a good job, so rather than turn to crime he does odd jobs here and there and plays video games.

he finally gets a job legally and now he's given grief.

People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.


Mary Sue is a freeloading biatch who should be sent back to Northern Europe.
/There, I said it.
2013-03-25 10:18:48 PM  
1 votes:
When I was in high school, I had a friend from Ghana, basically living under her parents' visas.  As soon as she was 18, she applied for citizenship.  I can still vividly remember how excited she was on the day that she received word that her papers had all been approved and she was officially an American.

Key lesson to take away from this?  It's not that hard to apply for and attain citizenship, so long as you don't sneak around avoiding the government.
2013-03-25 05:57:24 PM  
1 votes:

xaratherus: Let me provide some anecdotal evidence: I was attending a sociology lecture at one of the local community colleges a few years ago. The audience was mostly Caucasian. Living in Arizona, the immigration issue is a hot-button topic. The professor asked the audience how many of them had worked in various types of jobs, ranging from farm labor to business administration. He then asked how many of them, if they were unemployed, would be willing to take a position as a farm laborer. About four people raised their hands.

"They took our jerbs!" only works when they're taking jobs that us 'privileged' Americans might actually take.


meh, the problem with that is that those jobs traditionally don't pay what they're worth because skeevy employers traditionally hire illegal immigrants willing to work for shiatty pay, and because the government pays welfare to people even if the refuse to work those jobs.

Round up all the illegals and pay rates will skyrocket since all the employers will be competing to hire the 4 guys who raised their hands.
Then you cut off the dole so those unemployed bums have no choice go and take that small-but-conscionable pay to do those jobs.

Bam, finally an all American underclass for once.
2013-03-25 05:10:45 PM  
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: KimNorth: Real Women Drink Akvavit: rkiller1: Dr Dreidel: Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!

My maths say a primary and seconadary education in the cheese state is around $5,000 per year, so 12 years x $5000 = $60,000.  I wonder if his family paid that much in taxes?  If they did, he can stay.

Since undocumented workers do not file tax returns to get their moneys back as that will lead to the whole "fake SS#/Green card" (if any) outing of said worker, they just may have paid for his edumacation, and then some. One of the first steps to legal residency for such types (after the hiring of the lawyer) is to file a tax return, which I assume is terrifying.

An illegal can file taxes, illegal immigrants are given an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).This year year millions of illegal immigrants will once again rake in billions of dollars  Did you know that illegal immigrants all over the United States are using a massive scam to receive tax refunds from the federal government that are often in excess of $10,000? It is estimated that 2 million illegal immigrants are filing fraudulent tax returns each year and that they are pulling in more than 4 billion dollars in tax refunds every year that they are not entitled to. They are doing this by abusing the additional child tax credit and the IRS knows all about it and yet they refuse to do anything to stop it.

I don't know whose derp you just C&P'd, but the ITIN is not given to undocumented aliens. It's given in lieu of a social security number for resident aliens who are here legally under various programs. The only way someone would have one and not be legally able to work in the US is if it was expired or stolen. They must be renewed every two years (IIRC), so I call BS on anyone ...


Treasury Report, 2011:  Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable (Tax) Credits  (PDF)

Audit was based on tax returns files with ITINs.
2013-03-25 03:03:08 PM  
1 votes:

grath: People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.


Yes, I'm sure none of the people complaining about illegal immigrants have never ever complained about welfare queens.  Completely opposite sides of the venn diagram, amirite?
2013-03-25 01:37:21 PM  
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: mekki: CSB/ When I was really little I used to play video games hoping that what happened in The Last Starfighter would happen to me. All I wanted was to do the Death Blossom maneuver once. Just once. /CSB out

Wonder why no one has made an updated video game version of The Last Starfight where you can do the Death Bloom maneuver. I would play the begezus out of that game.

Good news!

http://www.roguesynapse.com/games/last_starfighter.php


Windows only. Of course ... of course. No OSX or Linux port (yes yes, I know wine for linux- what's the equivalent for OSX?)
2013-03-25 12:25:54 PM  
1 votes:
Death is a primitive concept.  I prefer to think of them as battling evil in another dimension!

/DNRTFA, got nuthin'
2013-03-25 12:23:24 PM  
1 votes:

foxyshadis: Joe Blowme: Rincewind53: Joe Blowme: Sovereignty, How does it work?

Nice response to facts there, Mr. Troll.

FACT: illegal means illegal... hows that asshat? The fact that he does not know how Sovereignty works negates his "facts"

So you're saying he should have applied to become a sovereign citizen?

/He might've if he'd spent those 8 years surfing the web instead of gaming.


Ignorance of the law is not a legal defense
2013-03-25 12:15:45 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: KrispyKritter: KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?

came here when he was one, parents were on some sort of visa which expired long ago. meanwhile he attended and graduated elementary & high schools.

Think his family paid more in taxes than his schooling cost? Somehow I doubt it. How much money did his family send back to Mexico?


Because it would be so much more cost-effective for the community, the country, and humanity as a whole if he'd been forced to drop out and join a gang instead, along with the 45 years on the public dime eventually needed to house him.
2013-03-25 12:15:20 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Rincewind53: Joe Blowme: Sovereignty, How does it work?

Nice response to facts there, Mr. Troll.

FACT: illegal means illegal... hows that asshat? The fact that he does not know how Sovereignty works negates his "facts"


Yes, because a 1-year-old knew about sovereignty when brought here by his parents.
2013-03-25 11:59:04 AM  
1 votes:

KimNorth: hy yes, yes I do have facts but I am not going to list them, but I will tell you how to find them. If I did you would know where I live and then you could find out who I am..maybe. Just ask someone who does work for your local city or one in a high illegal populated area. They will tell you the cost incurred if they feel they can be honest with you without getting the old you're racist left wing slap down.


Well, that's certainly the kind of paranoid response I'd expect from someone who's worried about illegal immigrants pouring grease down the drains.
2013-03-25 11:35:41 AM  
1 votes:

KimNorth: They also cost communities more in tax money for cost on animal control, sewage back up, etc.. as they do not spay or neuter and do not understand to not pour grease down sewage gutters or cooking grease down sinks where the city has to go and pump the lines at the street in these areas.  The cost of education, policing, duel languages, social services on and on so just stop it!


Got a detailed economic analysis to back up your assertions? Don't forget, most of them pay local taxes as well, contribute to local business, pay local sales taxes, etc....

And.... wow, illegal immigrants don't spay or neuter their pets and pour grease down the drains? Umm... painting with a remarkably specific brush there, aren't you?
2013-03-25 11:34:38 AM  
1 votes:

KimNorth: I know and I call BS on anyone who says there are 12 to 30 million illegal immigrants running around this Country unchecked! AS IF! Impossible I tell you!


Who are not filing tax returns with your fictional "ITIN for illegals". Could be. I don't exactly ask people's immigration status when I meet them. It's just as rude as asking their religion or how much they weigh.
2013-03-25 11:32:49 AM  
1 votes:
Submitter, you're either a troll or retarded for linking this bleeding-heart screed. How exactly is this "Spiffy"? That a foreign scofflaw whose family never gave a single damn about this country until all the money appeared here from the efforts of MY ancestors is finding a way to game the system and undermine the principles by which we've built this country into the world's greatest force? Hey I know: to express my disdain, I'll take a crap all over your sidewalk and lawn - but wait, you'll have an illegal hispanic landscaper there in an hour, won't you - and that's the whole point, isn't it? To import a new lower class, with lower expectations, so you and your ilk can continue taking advantage of them because the lower-middle class in America got just a bit too smart during the 90's, didn't they, and now you're out of people to oppress. What a perverse way to rape your own country. Screw you pal, you should just move to Mexico if you love them so f*cking much.
2013-03-25 11:27:30 AM  
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: KimNorth: Real Women Drink Akvavit: rkiller1: Dr Dreidel: Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!

My maths say a primary and seconadary education in the cheese state is around $5,000 per year, so 12 years x $5000 = $60,000.  I wonder if his family paid that much in taxes?  If they did, he can stay.

Since undocumented workers do not file tax returns to get their moneys back as that will lead to the whole "fake SS#/Green card" (if any) outing of said worker, they just may have paid for his edumacation, and then some. One of the first steps to legal residency for such types (after the hiring of the lawyer) is to file a tax return, which I assume is terrifying.

An illegal can file taxes, illegal immigrants are given an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).This year year millions of illegal immigrants will once again rake in billions of dollars  Did you know that illegal immigrants all over the United States are using a massive scam to receive tax refunds from the federal government that are often in excess of $10,000? It is estimated that 2 million illegal immigrants are filing fraudulent tax returns each year and that they are pulling in more than 4 billion dollars in tax refunds every year that they are not entitled to. They are doing this by abusing the additional child tax credit and the IRS knows all about it and yet they refuse to do anything to stop it.

I don't know whose derp you just C&P'd, but the ITIN is not given to undocumented aliens. It's given in lieu of a social security number for resident aliens who are here legally under various programs. The only way someone would have one and not be legally able to work in the US is if it was expired or stolen. They must be renewed every two years (IIRC), so I call BS on anyone ...


Sovereignty, How does it work?
2013-03-25 11:24:34 AM  
1 votes:

tom baker's scarf: Joe Blowme: So if my parents rob a bank when im little i get to keep all the ill-gotten gains right? After all it wasnt my fault and you cant take anything away.

No. If the Feds can prove the money you have was the money your parents stole you lose the money and probably anything they can prove your parents bought with said money post robbery. What we don't do is punish the kid in jail for the crimes of the parents.


that is what deportation is for, same thing if the parents bought a house with stolen money, they would not let the kid stay in he house because "its not his fault" right?
2013-03-25 11:24:26 AM  
1 votes:

KimNorth: Real Women Drink Akvavit: rkiller1: Dr Dreidel: Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!

My maths say a primary and seconadary education in the cheese state is around $5,000 per year, so 12 years x $5000 = $60,000.  I wonder if his family paid that much in taxes?  If they did, he can stay.

Since undocumented workers do not file tax returns to get their moneys back as that will lead to the whole "fake SS#/Green card" (if any) outing of said worker, they just may have paid for his edumacation, and then some. One of the first steps to legal residency for such types (after the hiring of the lawyer) is to file a tax return, which I assume is terrifying.

An illegal can file taxes, illegal immigrants are given an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).This year year millions of illegal immigrants will once again rake in billions of dollars  Did you know that illegal immigrants all over the United States are using a massive scam to receive tax refunds from the federal government that are often in excess of $10,000? It is estimated that 2 million illegal immigrants are filing fraudulent tax returns each year and that they are pulling in more than 4 billion dollars in tax refunds every year that they are not entitled to. They are doing this by abusing the additional child tax credit and the IRS knows all about it and yet they refuse to do anything to stop it.


I don't know whose derp you just C&P'd, but the ITIN is not given to undocumented aliens. It's given in lieu of a social security number for resident aliens who are here legally under various programs. The only way someone would have one and not be legally able to work in the US is if it was expired or stolen. They must be renewed every two years (IIRC), so I call BS on anyone getting away with that kind of stuff for very long at all.

As far as "it is estimated", pfffft! I say, PFFFFFT! It is estimated that a large portion of anti-immigrant derpage ignores the fact immigrants are also people and the amount fraudulently claiming things on their taxes they are not entitled to is most likely the same as the real 'murkins - also people - who consider tax evasion a type of national sport. People are people and the "hands off my moneys, ebil gubermint!" tax fraudin' people will be that way no matter where they were born.
2013-03-25 11:20:22 AM  
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: Rincewind53: "The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers. "

Indeed.

I once read a study on how much worse off the Social Security system would be if not for undocumented immigrants.

They usually have the payroll taxes taken out of their pay like everyone else, but since they are using a fake SSN, they are never able to claim those benefits.  Moreover, the immigrant population tends to be younger and more working-age than the American public at large (indeed, that's why they migrated, to find work), so they have a higher percentage of people paying into the system than the general population.

In effect, since they usually pay taxes, but can't claim refunds or benefits, they are effectively providing a free subsidy to the system.


Doc Daneeka: Rincewind53: "The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers. "

Indeed.

I once read a study on how much worse off the Social Security system would be if not for undocumented immigrants.

They usually have the payroll taxes taken out of their pay like everyone else, but since they are using a fake SSN, they are never able to claim those benefits.  Moreover, the immigrant population tends to be younger and more working-age than the American public at large (indeed, that's why they migrated, to find work), so they have a higher percentage of people paying into the system than the general population.

In effect, since they usually pay taxes, but can't claim refunds or benefits, they are effectively providing a free subsidy to the system.


The IRS want's everyone legal or not to file taxes so they give illegal immigrants an   Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) millions file each year for their tax refund.
2013-03-25 11:12:33 AM  
1 votes:

Rincewind53: "The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers. "


Indeed.

I once read a study on how much worse off the Social Security system would be if not for undocumented immigrants.

They usually have the payroll taxes taken out of their pay like everyone else, but since they are using a fake SSN, they are never able to claim those benefits.  Moreover, the immigrant population tends to be younger and more working-age than the American public at large (indeed, that's why they migrated, to find work), so they have a higher percentage of people paying into the system than the general population.

In effect, since they usually pay taxes, but can't claim refunds or benefits, they are effectively providing a free subsidy to the system.
2013-03-25 11:04:03 AM  
1 votes:
Great story. Misty-eyed. Good on him... Layabout to having 2 jobs, working 7 days a week. Our immigration system has sucked for so long, I'm glad it's finally on the cusp of improving.
2013-03-25 10:54:40 AM  
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Joe Blowme: So if my parents rob a bank when im little i get to keep all the ill-gotten gains right? After all it wasnt my fault and you cant take anything away.


No. If the Feds can prove the money you have was the money your parents stole you lose the money and probably anything they can prove your parents bought with said money post robbery. What we don't do is punish the kid in jail for the crimes of the parents.
2013-03-25 10:48:37 AM  
1 votes:
Once he graduated instead of being bummed about not being able to go to college legally couldn't he have just applied for citizenship once he turned 18? He sounds smart, he'd probably do better on the test then most of the right-wing nut jobs who would want to see him deported even though he wasn't in the US under his own accord.
2013-03-25 10:32:01 AM  
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TFA: "At some point in the consultation, I learned that he played video games and, although I'm 41, that's an interest of mine," said Odrcic.

It's amusing how even gamers are still conditioned by society to believe that video games are really only for kids and young people.

There's always some kind of slightly embarrassed disclaimer.  "Yeah, I'm a mature, middle-aged adult, but I like video games anyway."

Adults are still reluctant to just say "I like video games," in the same way they might say "I like movies" or "I like this TV show."
2013-03-25 10:25:56 AM  
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Dr Dreidel: Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!


My maths say a primary and seconadary education in the cheese state is around $5,000 per year, so 12 years x $5000 = $60,000.  I wonder if his family paid that much in taxes?  If they did, he can stay.
2013-03-25 10:11:44 AM  
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Great Janitor: Ebenator: Am I alone in thinking that Centari was really annoying and that bringing him back at the end was just pandering to the audience?

I watched it recently, I don't think it was pandering, I think it was setting up for the sequel that never was.  It wouldn't surprise me if the original draft had him and Xur die, but a rewrite kept them around for a possible sequel.


Wish they had made one, I love that movie. I had a big model (1/72 scale IIRC) of the Gunstar. Cat knocked it off the top of a bookshelf, It was destroyed, was in more pieces than before assembly.
2013-03-25 09:56:18 AM  
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Jim_Callahan: You'd think the farking pregnancy woulda maybe tipped them off a bit, but whatever.


Nothing clues them in - NOTHING. My mom was in the US for her vacation (she wanted to go to Disneyland!) and ended up going into labor early. So there I am, laying in the NICU in SoCal and she's dividing her time between hovering as close to me as allowed and being overly polite with immigration officials and lawyers and embassy dudes and.... Well, I'm in my 40's now and mom is legal now (dad died some years back), but she did tell me once she got really mad because "they" accused her of intentionally going into labor so she could stay in the US, far, far from home.

/she didn't make it to Disneyland first, either
//dammit so much!
2013-03-25 09:55:16 AM  
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Parthenogenetic: mekki: CSB/ When I was really little I used to play video games hoping that what happened in The Last Starfighter would happen to me. All I wanted was to do the Death Blossom maneuver once. Just once. /CSB out

Wonder why no one has made an updated video game version of The Last Starfight where you can do the Death Bloom maneuver. I would play the begezus out of that game.

Good news!

http://www.roguesynapse.com/games/last_starfighter.php


I was hoping for modern graphics. That and the arcade game doesn't do the Death Blossom or the kid in the movie would have known about it already.
2013-03-25 09:52:15 AM  
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You know, after college I had a few months of downtime waiting for a security clearance before I started working for the government, so I spent it much like this guy did, mooching off my parents and laying about the house.  It was so maddeningly boring that I went and got a civilian job to pass the time, found out I liked it and stayed there.  I cannot even imagine this guy doing that shiat for 8 years.  I'd have been on the first plane back to Mexico if I was him.
I guess the fact that he managed to stick it through says something about his determination and employability.
2013-03-25 09:50:08 AM  
1 votes:
Terrific. I'm about to get killed a million miles from nowhere with a gung-ho iguana who tells me to relax.
2013-03-25 09:47:32 AM  
1 votes:

mekki: CSB/ When I was really little I used to play video games hoping that what happened in The Last Starfighter would happen to me. All I wanted was to do the Death Blossom maneuver once. Just once. /CSB out

Wonder why no one has made an updated video game version of The Last Starfight where you can do the Death Bloom maneuver. I would play the begezus out of that game.


Good news!

http://www.roguesynapse.com/games/last_starfighter.php
2013-03-25 09:39:56 AM  
1 votes:
CSB/ When I was really little I used to play video games hoping that what happened in The Last Starfighter would happen to me. All I wanted was to do the Death Blossom maneuver once. Just once. /CSB out

Wonder why no one has made an updated video game version of The Last Starfight where you can do the Death Bloom maneuver. I would play the begezus out of that game.
2013-03-25 09:32:18 AM  
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Muñoz now has a driver's license. He bought a car. He went out and found not one, but two jobs. He works at a factory and on his days off works at a restaurant. "I work seven days a week, but that's OK because I'm saving money to go to school and help my family," he said.

i13.photobucket.com
2013-03-25 09:31:29 AM  
1 votes:
Prime example of why the immigrant debate is so much more than "they took our jerbs!" He was a 1-year-old boy who didn't decide to move to another country... Legally or not.
 
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