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2013-03-25 12:17:38 PM

Joe Blowme: Rincewind53: Joe Blowme: Sovereignty, How does it work?

Nice response to facts there, Mr. Troll.

FACT: illegal means illegal... hows that asshat? The fact that he does not know how Sovereignty works negates his "facts"


So you're saying he should have applied to become a sovereign citizen?

/He might've if he'd spent those 8 years surfing the web instead of gaming.
 
2013-03-25 12:20:56 PM

Rincewind53: Joe Blowme: Rincewind53: Joe Blowme: Sovereignty, How does it work?

Nice response to facts there, Mr. Troll.

FACT: illegal means illegal... hows that asshat? The fact that he does not know how Sovereignty works negates his "facts"

Yes, because a 1-year-old knew about sovereignty when brought here by his parents.


You do know she is not 1 years old right? I dont think even FARK lets 1 year olds post, although with you posting they may have to rethink that policy.
 
2013-03-25 12:23:02 PM
ESZANJAY!  PFFFTH!


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Translation:  IMMIGRANTS!
 
2013-03-25 12:23:22 PM

Rincewind53: KimNorth: hy yes, yes I do have facts but I am not going to list them, but I will tell you how to find them. If I did you would know where I live and then you could find out who I am..maybe. Just ask someone who does work for your local city or one in a high illegal populated area. They will tell you the cost incurred if they feel they can be honest with you without getting the old you're racist left wing slap down.

Well, that's certainly the kind of paranoid response I'd expect from someone who's worried about illegal immigrants pouring grease down the drains.


I thought the same thing. I've heard a lot of 'crimes' attributed to immigrants, living in Phoenix, but "they're ruining our country by pouring grease down the drains and letting their pets breed out of control!" probably takes the cake as the most ridiculous and pointless argument ever.

Let me provide some anecdotal evidence: I was attending a sociology lecture at one of the local community colleges a few years ago. The audience was mostly Caucasian. Living in Arizona, the immigration issue is a hot-button topic. The professor asked the audience how many of them had worked in various types of jobs, ranging from farm labor to business administration. He then asked how many of them, if they were unemployed, would be willing to take a position as a farm laborer. About four people raised their hands.

"They took our jerbs!" only works when they're taking jobs that us 'privileged' Americans might actually take.
 
2013-03-25 12:23:24 PM

foxyshadis: Joe Blowme: Rincewind53: Joe Blowme: Sovereignty, How does it work?

Nice response to facts there, Mr. Troll.

FACT: illegal means illegal... hows that asshat? The fact that he does not know how Sovereignty works negates his "facts"

So you're saying he should have applied to become a sovereign citizen?

/He might've if he'd spent those 8 years surfing the web instead of gaming.


Ignorance of the law is not a legal defense
 
2013-03-25 12:25:29 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: "What do we do?!"

(•_•)
(•_•)Ɑ
(•_Ɑ)

"We die".


I laughed out loud.
 
2013-03-25 12:25:54 PM
Death is a primitive concept.  I prefer to think of them as battling evil in another dimension!

/DNRTFA, got nuthin'
 
2013-03-25 12:29:42 PM

Doc Daneeka: TFA: "At some point in the consultation, I learned that he played video games and, although I'm 41, that's an interest of mine," said Odrcic.

It's amusing how even gamers are still conditioned by society to believe that video games are really only for kids and young people.

There's always some kind of slightly embarrassed disclaimer.  "Yeah, I'm a mature, middle-aged adult, but I like video games anyway."

Adults are still reluctant to just say "I like video games," in the same way they might say "I like movies" or "I like this TV show."


There has been one big step: Games are now regarded more highly than animated TV, where before the moe-madness and MLP of late 2000s animation at least had a history of occasional maturity. Now it's games getting the indie cred that animation might have decades ago.

/Someday, NFL games will be televised broadcasts of Zombie Madden '33.
 
2013-03-25 12:40:44 PM

xaratherus: "They took our jerbs!" only works when they're taking jobs that us 'privileged' Americans might actually take.


Politicians are between a rock and a hard place, one they put themselves into. Ranchers, farmers, construction companies, people who hire gardeners and janitors, all donate lots of money to campaigns and all want the lowest possible price for ok service (and would rather complain about lousy service than actually pay more). Politicians need the funding and have to talk tough to people who actually have to vote them in. I'd wager most of the raids that have ever happened have been on people who supported the wrong political campaign, since there has never once been any widespread roundup of illegals, even though we proved we target a large ethnic group during the Japanese Internment.

It's mostly the public's fault for believing pandering commercials instead of actual records. It just proves that you can lie to all the people all the time, if they want to believe the lie.
 
2013-03-25 12:42:30 PM

foxyshadis: It just proves that you can lie to all the people all the time, if they want to believe the lie.


Hell, you can even build a business model out of that.

www.aim.org
 
2013-03-25 12:58:43 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: "What do we do?!"

(•_•)
(•_•)Ɑ
(•_Ɑ)

"We die".


Shouldn't it be:

(•_•)
(•_•)D
(•_)
 
2013-03-25 01:37:21 PM

Parthenogenetic: mekki: CSB/ When I was really little I used to play video games hoping that what happened in The Last Starfighter would happen to me. All I wanted was to do the Death Blossom maneuver once. Just once. /CSB out

Wonder why no one has made an updated video game version of The Last Starfight where you can do the Death Bloom maneuver. I would play the begezus out of that game.

Good news!

http://www.roguesynapse.com/games/last_starfighter.php


Windows only. Of course ... of course. No OSX or Linux port (yes yes, I know wine for linux- what's the equivalent for OSX?)
 
2013-03-25 01:43:24 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: So his family is going to be sent back now that we know where they are, right?


I wish.  He IS technically an adult on his own and we don't need any unscrupulous types like his parents adding to the pile.  They can perhaps use the skill sets acquired here and help rebuild the economy of their home country.

In other news, the Dems have secured their position for the next four or five presidencies until Greece is bailing us out of failed factories to build iPhones for the Chinese.  So we got that going for us...
 
2013-03-25 02:21:24 PM
"I wanted to go to school, but if I got a degree from a college or technical school, how would I get a job without citizenship?" he said. "I was scared. I was frozen. I didn't know what to do."

I dunno... become a citizen?
 
2013-03-25 02:21:29 PM

KrispyKritter: KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?

came here when he was one, parents were on some sort of visa which expired long ago. meanwhile he attended and graduated elementary & high schools.


Yet even thougb that happens in other countries, they still don't have de solis immigration laws.
 
2013-03-25 02:25:40 PM
everyone who is pissed off at this is ridiculous.

Family moves here with their kid, He's a year old. his parents raise him well, he goes to school graduates with honors and his biggest gripe is that he can't get a good job, so rather than turn to crime he does odd jobs here and there and plays video games.

he finally gets a job legally and now he's given grief.

People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.
 
2013-03-25 03:03:08 PM

grath: People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.


Yes, I'm sure none of the people complaining about illegal immigrants have never ever complained about welfare queens.  Completely opposite sides of the venn diagram, amirite?
 
2013-03-25 03:05:10 PM

foxyshadis: xaratherus: "They took our jerbs!" only works when they're taking jobs that us 'privileged' Americans might actually take.

Politicians are between a rock and a hard place, one they put themselves into. Ranchers, farmers, construction companies, people who hire gardeners and janitors, all donate lots of money to campaigns and all want the lowest possible price for ok service (and would rather complain about lousy service than actually pay more). Politicians need the funding and have to talk tough to people who actually have to vote them in. I'd wager most of the raids that have ever happened have been on people who supported the wrong political campaign, since there has never once been any widespread roundup of illegals, even though we proved we target a large ethnic group during the Japanese Internment.

It's mostly the public's fault for believing pandering commercials instead of actual records. It just proves that you can lie to all the people all the time, if they want to believe the lie.


Wizard's First Rule. People are stupid; people will believe a lie because they want it to be true, or because they are afraid it might be true.
 
2013-03-25 03:16:48 PM
Dey took our kills!

/kill-stealer!
 
2013-03-25 03:21:35 PM
Very nice.
 
2013-03-25 03:30:01 PM
Things have changed a lot since the 1980s.
s22.postimg.org
 
2013-03-25 04:08:21 PM

treesloth: Jim from Saint Paul: "What do we do?!"

(•_•)
(•_•)Ɑ
(•_Ɑ)

"We die".

Shouldn't it be:

(•_•)
(•_•)D
(•_Ɑ)


If it wasn't, it is now.
 
2013-03-25 04:55:23 PM

mekki: CSB/ When I was really little I used to play video games hoping that what happened in The Last Starfighter would happen to me. All I wanted was to do the Death Blossom maneuver once. Just once. /CSB out

Wonder why no one has made an updated video game version of The Last Starfight where you can do the Death Bloom maneuver. I would play the begezus out of that game.


You should totally Kickstart that crap.
 
2013-03-25 05:00:35 PM

foxyshadis: Thunderpipes: KrispyKritter: KimNorth: Did he not go to school or did he go on a stolen ss#? Did I miss that part?

came here when he was one, parents were on some sort of visa which expired long ago. meanwhile he attended and graduated elementary & high schools.

Think his family paid more in taxes than his schooling cost? Somehow I doubt it. How much money did his family send back to Mexico?

Because it would be so much more cost-effective for the community, the country, and humanity as a whole if he'd been forced to drop out and join a gang instead, along with the 45 years on the public dime eventually needed to house him.


Haven't you heard? It's the New Math: once the horse has escaped from the barn, the best response is to shoot it.
 
2013-03-25 05:10:45 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: KimNorth: Real Women Drink Akvavit: rkiller1: Dr Dreidel: Well, without the fear of deportation, he found 2 - TWO! - jobs (which means more tax revenue for Uncle Samchez) and bought a car (sales tax, plus licensure and registration), and now he has no time to play video games.

Reading (TFA) is fun(damental)!

My maths say a primary and seconadary education in the cheese state is around $5,000 per year, so 12 years x $5000 = $60,000.  I wonder if his family paid that much in taxes?  If they did, he can stay.

Since undocumented workers do not file tax returns to get their moneys back as that will lead to the whole "fake SS#/Green card" (if any) outing of said worker, they just may have paid for his edumacation, and then some. One of the first steps to legal residency for such types (after the hiring of the lawyer) is to file a tax return, which I assume is terrifying.

An illegal can file taxes, illegal immigrants are given an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).This year year millions of illegal immigrants will once again rake in billions of dollars  Did you know that illegal immigrants all over the United States are using a massive scam to receive tax refunds from the federal government that are often in excess of $10,000? It is estimated that 2 million illegal immigrants are filing fraudulent tax returns each year and that they are pulling in more than 4 billion dollars in tax refunds every year that they are not entitled to. They are doing this by abusing the additional child tax credit and the IRS knows all about it and yet they refuse to do anything to stop it.

I don't know whose derp you just C&P'd, but the ITIN is not given to undocumented aliens. It's given in lieu of a social security number for resident aliens who are here legally under various programs. The only way someone would have one and not be legally able to work in the US is if it was expired or stolen. They must be renewed every two years (IIRC), so I call BS on anyone ...


Treasury Report, 2011:  Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable (Tax) Credits  (PDF)

Audit was based on tax returns files with ITINs.
 
2013-03-25 05:27:50 PM
Wow, there was some truth to the comment up-thread.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants/

I did not expect that.
 
2013-03-25 05:28:00 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't know whose derp you just C&P'd, but the ITIN is not given to undocumented aliens. It's given in lieu of a social security number for resident aliens who are here legally under various programs. The only way someone would have one and not be legally able to work in the US is if it was expired or stolen. They must be renewed every two years (IIRC), so I call BS on anyone getting away with that kind of stuff for very long at all.


From IRS Publicatiion 1915 (Rev. 1-2012), p. 10:

Can I get an ITIN if I am an undocumented alien?

Yes,... If you are an undocumented alien and cannot get an SSN, you must get an ITIN for tax purposes.
 
2013-03-25 05:57:24 PM

xaratherus: Let me provide some anecdotal evidence: I was attending a sociology lecture at one of the local community colleges a few years ago. The audience was mostly Caucasian. Living in Arizona, the immigration issue is a hot-button topic. The professor asked the audience how many of them had worked in various types of jobs, ranging from farm labor to business administration. He then asked how many of them, if they were unemployed, would be willing to take a position as a farm laborer. About four people raised their hands.

"They took our jerbs!" only works when they're taking jobs that us 'privileged' Americans might actually take.


meh, the problem with that is that those jobs traditionally don't pay what they're worth because skeevy employers traditionally hire illegal immigrants willing to work for shiatty pay, and because the government pays welfare to people even if the refuse to work those jobs.

Round up all the illegals and pay rates will skyrocket since all the employers will be competing to hire the 4 guys who raised their hands.
Then you cut off the dole so those unemployed bums have no choice go and take that small-but-conscionable pay to do those jobs.

Bam, finally an all American underclass for once.
 
2013-03-25 06:53:42 PM

LovingTeacher: if they have an above-board job


You should learn what above-board means. It doesn't mean illegally hiring people. That's not above-board.
 
2013-03-25 10:18:48 PM
When I was in high school, I had a friend from Ghana, basically living under her parents' visas.  As soon as she was 18, she applied for citizenship.  I can still vividly remember how excited she was on the day that she received word that her papers had all been approved and she was officially an American.

Key lesson to take away from this?  It's not that hard to apply for and attain citizenship, so long as you don't sneak around avoiding the government.
 
2013-03-25 10:41:03 PM

HotWingAgenda: When I was in high school, I had a friend from Ghana, basically living under her parents' visas.  As soon as she was 18, she applied for citizenship.  I can still vividly remember how excited she was on the day that she received word that her papers had all been approved and she was officially an American.

Key lesson to take away from this?  It's not that hard to apply for and attain citizenship, so long as you don't sneak around avoiding the government.


Which is fine, when daddy and mommy don't cross the border illegally when you're 2 and never tell you until you apply for a job, as happened to my best friend's wife.
 
2013-03-25 11:18:11 PM

nickerj1: TFA: "I wanted to go to school, but if I got a degree from a college or technical school, how would I get a job without citizenship?" he said.

With a work visa? Just a wild guess.


It's extremely difficult to get a visa that allows you to live and work in the US. You need to have skills that are in short supply and have an employer willing to petition on your behalf. If you are just an ordinary person working an ordinary job in the UK or Spain or wherever you have no chance at all of ever immigrating to the US.
 
2013-03-25 11:22:25 PM

HotWingAgenda: When I was in high school, I had a friend from Ghana, basically living under her parents' visas.  As soon as she was 18, she applied for citizenship.  I can still vividly remember how excited she was on the day that she received word that her papers had all been approved and she was officially an American.

Key lesson to take away from this?  It's not that hard to apply for and attain citizenship, so long as you don't sneak around avoiding the government.


You need a green card for 5 years before you can get citizenship.  Do you know how hard it is for some people to get a green card?  It's not an easy thing to just become an American.  Your friend was very lucky.
 
2013-03-25 11:31:28 PM

kg2095: nickerj1: TFA: "I wanted to go to school, but if I got a degree from a college or technical school, how would I get a job without citizenship?" he said.

With a work visa? Just a wild guess.

It's extremely difficult to get a visa that allows you to live and work in the US. You need to have skills that are in short supply and have an employer willing to petition on your behalf. If you are just an ordinary person working an ordinary job in the UK or Spain or wherever you have no chance at all of ever immigrating to the US.


It is comparatively easy for a foreign student to get a Practical Training (F-1) visa that would allow him to work temporarily in the US. From there, an H1 visa becomes a bit more accessible as an employer can claim the employee as especially trained and qualified for the position. And from there, permanent residence is the next step and maybe the hardest.
 
2013-03-26 12:35:41 AM

grath: everyone who is pissed off at this is ridiculous.

Family moves here with their kid, He's a year old. his parents raise him well, he goes to school graduates with honors and his biggest gripe is that he can't get a good job, so rather than turn to crime he does odd jobs here and there and plays video games.

he finally gets a job legally and now he's given grief.

People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.


Mary Sue is a freeloading biatch who should be sent back to Northern Europe.
/There, I said it.
 
2013-03-26 12:46:12 AM

Dust: Love the story, but DACA is not citizenship, or even a direct path to citizenship.


Deport his law-breaking ass.
 
2013-03-26 01:14:40 AM

rkiller1: grath: everyone who is pissed off at this is ridiculous.

Family moves here with their kid, He's a year old. his parents raise him well, he goes to school graduates with honors and his biggest gripe is that he can't get a good job, so rather than turn to crime he does odd jobs here and there and plays video games.

he finally gets a job legally and now he's given grief.

People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.

Mary Sue is a freeloading biatch who should be sent back to Northern Europe.
/There, I said it.


More like sent to Iraq and Afghanistan.  They need an influx of people to replace all the people that have been killed by war, y'know.
 
2013-03-26 02:44:49 AM
Man, people treat a remedial englsh course and a 3rd rate civics test like it's harder than "Are you smarter than a 5th grader" in this country.
 
2013-03-26 02:57:07 AM
As someone who works for immigration I'm getting a kick out these replies.


/trolling headline was trolling
 
2013-03-26 04:07:01 AM

serial_crusher: grath: People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.

Yes, I'm sure none of the people complaining about illegal immigrants have never ever complained about welfare queens.  Completely opposite sides of the venn diagram, amirite?


i personally KNOW a welfare queen that complains about this sort of thing happening.

I pointed out the hypocrisy and she straight up said "well I'm american so it doesn't count"
I called her a waste and a drain on society as a whole and haven't spoken to her since.
 
2013-03-26 05:20:17 PM

grath: serial_crusher: grath: People sitting here claiming that his family didn't pay enough in taxes? what about Mary sue with 7 kids on welfare? she can't get a job because she has 'stress' so she's on disability. There is no way she's paying her kids way for school, yet you don't say anything about her.

Yes, I'm sure none of the people complaining about illegal immigrants have never ever complained about welfare queens.  Completely opposite sides of the venn diagram, amirite?

i personally KNOW a welfare queen that complains about this sort of thing happening.

I pointed out the hypocrisy and she straight up said "well I'm american so it doesn't count"
I called her a waste and a drain on society as a whole and haven't spoken to her since.


You should drop a dime on her ass.  I did it to my neighbor that was "handicapped" yet had no problem hauling their bike bumpily down the stairs for a fun ride at 5am. They moved back to Arizona to game the system there.   Also dropped a dime on the scumbag ID stealing freaks that I met over ebay and strung them along until it was all done.  They did happen to be illegals.  Mexico and Guatemala can split the bill on my wife's car that was hit by a vanload of em making an illegal (non-ironic) turn.  Cops thought it was too much of a hassle to process all 12 of them as did our insurance company so here we are still paying for some stupid crap that should have never happened 6 years later.  Real cool.  Perhaps my absolute all time fave was the lil Detrizzle piece of shizzle and his shiat fam that got moved in and proceeded to set up shop moving stolen car parts in the middle of the night (as well as the bar-closing coke run of 11-3am to come bumping bass home), buy and default on a restaurant to launder the money that was funneled in by a black only tax assist center.  This was all supported by a "rebuild black detroit" business loan that are the plaintiffs.  Lot going on there, but waiting for it to go from civil to criminal.  Pretty funny and didn't have to do a thing but complain once to the staff about the coke stuff and apparently there was plenty of other shiate they were privy to.  It is funny to read the court docs and watch bank accounts change for payment as the credit ponzi scheme crumbles.  He has made it as low as credit union, so next months payments will be that Montel Williams credit card or Bazooka Joe gum comics lol.  Just so nice to see after looking at the collection of $50,000+ cars that kept showing up in their collection.  They are proper ghetto though so assets are all probably hidden in minor children's names under the care of some auntie so no one can ever take it without a bunch of difficulty.  Good times.
 
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