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2013-03-24 06:40:44 PM
6 votes:
If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.
2013-03-24 06:47:38 PM
5 votes:
Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.
2013-03-24 06:45:22 PM
4 votes:

Wait this is news again, eh?


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to -re main-silent



For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. Schoolcraft's website looking for other cops to come forward is here. (41 minutes)Criminal Justice • Jobs/Employment • Police

/REALLY worth a listen
//pretty sure the unofficial quotas were mentioned in that too
2013-03-25 05:12:48 PM
3 votes:

jasnotron: dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

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So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?

Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fa ...


You're talking about people.

Not a demographic. Human beings.

If you wouldn't accept this behavior for you, your family, your friends, your neighbors and people who share your ethnic background and skin color - then don't farking accept it for other people.

Half the people in this farking thread saying Stop and Frisk is ok for minorities are the same people biatching about surveillance and drones in every other thread.

What goes around comes around. When they start treating white people like shiat, who do you think they practiced and perfected their methods on first?

Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.

And so are you.
2013-03-24 11:23:21 PM
3 votes:

destardi: Older black folk cross the street when they see black kids coming.

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One private citizen avoiding contact with another private citizen, based on race.

A representative of the government stopping someone and violating their fourth amendment rights, based on race.

Look really, really hard and maybe you can spot the difference.

UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE HOOD AS A WHITE PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING.

Well, I lived for a few years in Potrero Hill, and a few in the Western Addition, both in San Francisco and both "the hood".  And I'm white.  What I'm defending is somebody not having to deal with being hassled by the cops, day in and day out, for the color of their skin.

Maybe searching every young black male would reduce crime and save lives.  So would letting the cops bug every phone, or search any house or car at random, or executing every violent felon.  Doesn't make these morally right. I'm sure an authoritarian regime with no civil liberties could be close to crime-free.  That's what you're defending.
2013-03-24 07:24:15 PM
3 votes:
It doesn't matter what country you're in.  Young males in poor neighborhoods commit crimes are a disproportionately high rate.  Race doesn't make someone a criminal, but with so many young black males growing up in poverty it's hardly surprising that they would have more criminals in their midst and as a result attract the attentions of law enforcement.  The legacy of mistrust between blacks and the police due to their role in subjugating black people is also a factor here.
2013-03-24 07:06:09 PM
3 votes:

rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.


Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

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States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.
2013-03-24 06:52:29 PM
3 votes:
Looks like this is related to the Schoolcraft case.

This American Life had a great story on Schoolcraft a while back.

Schoolcraft was forced out of the NYPD for exposing the unjustifiable stop and frisks. And then they threw in him a mental ward to make everyone think he was crazy. What did he do that made people say he was crazy? Well, he recorded that, too. At about 44:30 on the link above.
2013-03-24 04:25:02 PM
3 votes:
Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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2013-03-25 07:10:43 AM
2 votes:
Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

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So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?
2013-03-24 11:27:47 PM
2 votes:

MisterRonbo: Maybe searching every young black male would reduce crime and save lives.  So would letting the cops bug every phone, or search any house or car at random, or executing every violent felon.  Doesn't make these morally right. I'm sure an authoritarian regime with no civil liberties could be close to crime-free.  That's what you're defending.


Another fundamental point all the, "blacks are all criminals," racists are ignoring is this : If the police focus on one group to constantly search without cause, then isn't that going to skew crime statistics? Of course you're going to think blacks are "more criminal" if the cops focus on arresting black people. Self fulfilling prophecy, self supporting statistics, racism is always idiotic.
2013-03-24 09:30:42 PM
2 votes:

TsukasaK: FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.


Also, as the closet (and overt) bigots here keep blatantly overlooking, we're not talking about people who are breaking the law. We're talking about stopping and searching people because they had a physical trait in common (sort of) with some other people who have broken the law in the past. Not all other people by any stretch, (plenty of white women break the law all the time,) but you know, just sort of like some criminals. Worst, this kind of profiling IS breaking the law. So it's bizarre to see people here trying to defend cops who are breaking the law by stopping people who aren't via the argument, "we have to obey the law." In short, those people are utter cretins.
2013-03-24 08:45:02 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?


Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.

Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.
2013-03-24 07:26:25 PM
2 votes:
"The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

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2013-03-24 07:01:14 PM
2 votes:

rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.


No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?
2013-03-24 06:53:13 PM
2 votes:

diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.


You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.
2013-03-24 06:49:19 PM
2 votes:

Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.


The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.
2013-03-24 06:42:44 PM
2 votes:
I always thought the right people were mostly rich old white males.
2013-03-24 06:06:25 PM
2 votes:
This just in: NYPD Prides itself on being corrupt and racist.

Also, they can't hit the broad side of a barn.
2013-03-26 05:38:48 PM
1 votes:
And NONE of what you said addresses my original premise of just being HUMAN.

Don't condone the ill treatment of others that you wouldn't accept for yourself.

How farking hard is that? Really?

I get that you probably don't see people of other colors as human, but really, get a farking clue already.
2013-03-26 05:20:06 PM
1 votes:

dletter: Hermione_Granger: jasnotron            2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM  
    
I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.

No it's not. That is blatantly wrong. Profiling is a very bad way to police any community and does not work.

We need to stop calling it "profiling" and "stop and frisk" and just call it what it is: Jim Crow. It's not the new Jim Crow. It's the same old "we will treat you differently based on your skin color" Jim Crow.

It was wrong in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900"s and it's wrong now. And may I remind you, it doesn't work. It only makes law abiding people, who would turn in the criminal elements or be more helpful to the police, distrustful and with good reason.

This system does not work.
It is not good policing.
It's just plain racist and wrong.

"Profiling" in your case is just stopping people because they fit a "description", for no reason other than to stop them.

Some people might also say "profiling" is like if there was a witness to a murder who said the person they saw was a "Black male around 5' 11"".... does that mean that them stopping black males around 5' 11" in the area of the crime is "profiling", any more than doing the same thing if they saw a 6' 4" white guy and stopping all of them?

But, you could just always have an "open case" with various descriptions you want to "profile", and then you are given your reason to "stop" people.  So, that delineation doesn't even really help if someone is determined to "profile" in general.


You are wrong. There is a difference between "racial profiling" which is looking for anyone black or latino and searching someone based on a set of known characteristics like a black male of approximate shade and height. Unless you think every black male is the same height and skin color - that would include everyone from Prince to Will Smith - from Kat Williams to Shaquille O'Neal.

You seem to think that the police only stop the men they're looking for. I'm telling you that they don't. They stop every black male and don't seem to give a shiat whether they have the right ones or not as long as they're stopping black men.

That is racist bullshiat. Period.
2013-03-26 03:22:13 AM
1 votes:

dready zim: You would do that if you were employed as a policeman?

Strange idea of the scope of the job. Sounds more like social work than police work.


Neither is managing a budget in the first place. But so long as we're ignoring the context of my reply I guess that's not important.

More importantly, I don't understand why you want to distinguish so clearly between police work and social work. Isn't the primary duty of a police officer to maintain social order? Don't we want the police to be a force for good in the community?
2013-03-26 03:05:08 AM
1 votes:

jasnotron: So you'd spend the budget limiting their first amendment rights ? Seriously their gangster rapper, screw anything that moves and then don't be a dad culture is the main problem.


"Their" culture? Did you give up your US citizenship? Because I'm pretty sure "their" culture is also "your" culture -- and therefore also your responsibility to fix. Outgrouping people and then blaming them for your problems is not a valid solution for any social problem.
2013-03-25 09:39:48 PM
1 votes:
Silly Jesus

In another post I address the constitutionality issue,  but you totally glossed over my point and explanation and jumped to some unrelated nonsense.

Fair enough. Kindly reiterate why targeting black people is justified. I'd normally use the search function to locate the post but your screen name appears well over a hundred times in this thread, so I don't feel like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Why do you emphasize institutionalized racism over culture?

Why do I emphasize institutionalized racism over culture? Because I don't believe that black people are anywhere near as stupid, short-sighted, and selfish as you like to make them out to be.  But hey, maybe that's because I'm not a racist.

It seems that we both agree that both factors contribute to the problem, we only differ on the degree to which each is a factor.  Institutionalized racism has been directed toward many other groups in our society and those communities have somehow overcome it.  I simply think that the lack of the ability to overcome it stems largely from a broken culture.

And that is because you're an overprivileged white guy who has never had to deal with institutionalized racism firsthand and would much rather place all the burden on the most powerless, marginalized people in society then (heaven forbid) raise a finger to make the tiniest difference by critically examining  institutions.

I really find it hard to believe that a guy who lives in a gated community knows anything about what blacks in the projects experience in their day to day lives. You know about as much about the day to day life of the average black person as a dolphin knows about mountain climbing.

You're selfish, and you are trying to justify your selfishness and lack of concern with the burdens of the poor and minorities with a smokescreen of steaming, self-serving, smug  bullshiat.
2013-03-25 08:32:28 PM
1 votes:
Silly Jesus

I wonder if its ever occurred to you that the high incarceration rate of black men (who statistically do FAR more time for the same crimes as white men) might maybe gee golly gosh have something to do with it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the draconian sentences imposed by the War on Drugs (which disproportionately target minorities) are the real problem?

Maybe you should stop scapegoating black people as being a bunch of mooches and calling for social programs to be undercut and look at the problems of institutionalized racism in our prison system?

Or is wrapping your brain around that too hard?
2013-03-25 04:51:46 PM
1 votes:
If you're going to profile people based on appearance, I think you should start here:

www.flyteblog.com

They tend to be white, older males and they are robbing the country blind and doing a hell of a lot more damage than any young, poor, urban black male.

"They want keep us busy focusing on our differences, white, black, religion etc in order to keep the middle class fighting with the poor so they can make off with all of the farking money."- George Carlin
2013-03-25 10:51:29 AM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Selective outrage is selective.

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One is a current member of the Klan, (yes, in the 21st century) and the other was a member of the Klan in the 1960's who gave up on that dumb sh*t in the early 80's (over 30 years ago).
There's a difference between what someone is now and what they used to be, kind of like what the republican party used to be (pro union, anti-racist, pro-worker) and what they are now.

Selective stupidity is selective.
2013-03-25 09:44:34 AM
1 votes:
Is stop and frisk unconstitutional? Yes.
Do cops do things all the time that they aren't supposed to do?
Are civil liberties so important that they should be preserved even if people commit crimes? Yes.
Do young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime? Yes.

Not sure what that makes me. A racist anti-authoritarian Libertarian realist?
2013-03-25 09:11:43 AM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.


Remind me again which states still require pre-clearance under section 5 of the voting rights act because of the number of times they tried to keep those uppity Negros from voting?  Is it all hillbilly redneck southern states + the equally hillbilly redneck state of Alaska?  It IS!?

You don't say...
2013-03-25 08:57:32 AM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?


"Statistics" cannot be racist. How they are used is what can make them racist.
Unfortunately we have people in this country, many of them on FARK, many of them in this thread, some even using the name "Silly Jesus", who would choose to use these numbers to "prove" either the inferiority of "the other" or superiority of the group to which they believe they belong.

These people also tend to use those numbers in a vacuum... it's called "cherry-picking". Without the numbers relating to other factors in the matrix, such as high school drop out rates, under and unemployment, single parenthood, poverty, incarceration rates by police who specifically target them (as in this article), types of crimes accused of and committed by and a whole host of other social factors, any statistics which might show that one group or another is more "criminal" are meaningless.

But they will be cited anyway, with a screeching howl of "See! See! It's their fault!" and an accusatory finger waved in the general direction of the group which the amateur statistician is trying to accuse.

Like a gun, the numbers are a tool. Some people use them to plink targets in a cornfield, and some use them to shoot up an elementary school.

Yes, I answered a known troll, but it had to be said.
2013-03-25 08:39:51 AM
1 votes:
Should have just said "people who look like gang bangers".  Would have accomplished the same thing.

Im not jumping on board to support racism or anything, but we dont really know enough specifics to make a judgement call here.  It could be that on that particular block almost all violent crime is perpetrated by young blacks.  They could have been working with information on specific threats or from actual local demographics.  Its hard to say.

I just think stereotyping gets a bad wrap.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

Sounds like the bigger issue here is NYPD's policy of frisking people without cause or warrant.  Attack that, and this problem goes away... and not just for one racial group.
2013-03-25 08:32:08 AM
1 votes:

dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

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So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?


Why should there be a minimum number of arrests?

What would I do?  I would stop and search only those persons who gave me probable cause to do so. But then, I give a damn about the Constitution, and the rights of citizens, whereas most authoritarians do not.
I'd also not do DUI checkpoints, because I disagree with the Supreme Court ruling that there's a 4th Amendment exception for drunk driving, just like a disagree with you that there's a 4th Amendment exception for young black men.
2013-03-25 07:38:37 AM
1 votes:

dready zim: So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.


Racist, schmasist.  Randomly stopping people is un-American.  Unless there's reasonable suspicion that I'm up to no good, it is none of the government's God damned business where I'm going or what I'm doing.

"Listen, son", said the man with the gun, "there's room for you inside."

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

You don't have a problem with "a minimum number of stops *and* arrests"?
2013-03-25 05:07:13 AM
1 votes:

Yaxe: So, how many Farkers, when buying their homes, tell their RE agent, " I want to live in a more ethnically diverse neighborhood"?

Truth be told, there's something bitterely ironic about decrying racism from our entirely white neighborhoods.


I live in a mixed neighborhood, and see no negatives from this.  The negative comes out of homogenous and poor neighborhoods, that develop their own counterculture. (Black, white, doesn't matter)
2013-03-25 03:41:21 AM
1 votes:
So, how many Farkers, when buying their homes, tell their RE agent, " I want to live in a more ethnically diverse neighborhood"?

Truth be told, there's something bitterely ironic about decrying racism from our entirely white neighborhoods.
2013-03-25 02:15:32 AM
1 votes:

diaphoresis: If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


I think you mean if it weren't for long entrenched and ongoing bigotry that denies minorities the same opportunities to obtain a job that pays a living wage, crime would be cut by 67%.

Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.
2013-03-25 01:07:59 AM
1 votes:

chrylis: The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.


Let's counter that with facts and intelligently presented ideas : "MisterRonbo:Add in that the people most likely to be convicted are the ones who have to rely on a public defender.  And the people who are going to risk prison by selling drugs are going to be poor, and the racists don't want to admit that the correlation between race and poverty is largely due to a history of discrimination."

But no, chrylis is right, if the police make it procedure to focus their attention on "black people" and then more black people end up in prison, that's all because of, "liberals." Oh, wait, no, chrylis is just a whining imbecile. 

You know, in a way this is good to see. The idiocy that is modern conservatism, rather than trying to figure out what's wrong with being dishonest bigots, are doubling down and trying to act "proud" of it. That'll help get rid of these idiots that much more quickly.
2013-03-25 12:31:36 AM
1 votes:

VendorXeno: Another fundamental point all the, "blacks are all criminals," racists are ignoring is this : If the police focus on one group to constantly search without cause, then isn't that going to skew crime statistics? Of course you're going to think blacks are "more criminal" if the cops focus on arresting black people. Self fulfilling prophecy, self supporting statistics, racism is always idiotic.


Add in that the people most likely to be convicted are the ones who have to rely on a public defender.  And the people who are going to risk prison by selling drugs are going to be poor, and the racists don't want to admit that the correlation between race and poverty is largely due to a history of discrimination.
2013-03-24 10:37:45 PM
1 votes:
Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.
2013-03-24 10:26:12 PM
1 votes:

Lee Jackson Beauregard: ) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.


Also, it was never a "wing" of the DNP. That's one of the dumbest farking things I've ever read. The original KKK was founded in the Confederacy. Subsequent groups had some southern members affiliated with the DNP, which here in the south is often still fairly right wing. But leave it to a conservative to combine ignorance, stupidity and irrationality to try and argue that since, "someone affiliated with a group I don't like was racist decades ago, it should allow me to ignore people I identify with being racist right now!"
2013-03-24 10:10:30 PM
1 votes:
shotglasss (farkied: Has had way too many shotglasses):  Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.

1) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.
2) That's a DRINK! for "teh KKK was teh Demonrats hurr durr" and a DRINK! for "Democrat party gosh that Rush Lamebrain is so clever!"
2013-03-24 10:03:10 PM
1 votes:

shotglasss: Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.


Oh, we're going to pretend that the Southern Strategy never happened now, are we?
2013-03-24 09:31:20 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.

Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.


It's not as unlikely a scenario as you might think. About the only place left one has any guaranteed 4th Amendment rights is in one's house, and to a great extent, one's business. The crimes cops arrest ANYONE for are crimes they can see. So if you smoke dope outside you get busted for it; do it at home, not so much. If people could commit bank fraud out on the street, I guess they could be arrested for it; but it's kind of tough to do. Since bank fraud or insider trading needs computers and phones and lots of paper, it has to be done inside where nobody can see it.

It's worth noting that one of the most successful counterfeiters in recent history was a black ex-gangster, who'd done time for robbery, who had a whole setup in his home in Lawndale (not the best of all LA areas). But he never got caught until the Secret Service finally tracked him down...because it was all inside. So just being black, or even a black criminal, isn't a guarantee that cops are going to be all over you.
2013-03-24 09:26:24 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: Acharne: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

If you arrested 40 retired white women and 10 black men, the mugshot roundup would be 80% white. What exactly was YOUR point? Police arrest who they want to arrest.

Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?


Your phrasing is a bit awkward but essentially covers it. The police look harder at black people, and the results of that are more black arrestees. I'm not saying black people don't commit crimes, of course they do, they are people. I certainly see a bias though, and much profiling. I don't know where you live, but where I live if you are native, you get looked three times. If you're white, maybe half a glance. Cops do that shiat, you can't ignore it.
2013-03-24 09:23:46 PM
1 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.


Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.
2013-03-24 09:22:25 PM
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: Except for that little bit about the KKK was formed by Democrats


And Republicans actually used to be a party of small government and reasonable policies. What's your point?

Smeggy Smurf: and continues to be filled with Democrats.


Oh, you're just making shiat up wholesale then. Shoulda known.
2013-03-24 09:13:27 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Just pointing out that if you don't control your youth, the rest of society will do so for you.


Classic racism. This portrays the black community as some kind of separate and unified entity that isn't being "responsible," enough to defend ah illegal policy of harassing people without any basis for suspecting them of criminal activity. The only question is whether you're saying something this stupid because you're genuinely a bigoted idiot or because you're just a pitiful asshole trying to troll strangers online because you are stupid and like to piss people off by acting like an asshole. Either way, you're way, way too farking stupid to spend another second interacting with, ever. Blocked, moron.
2013-03-24 09:06:27 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: redmid17: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

Would love to hear your opinion on the right to assemble peacefully in Selma in 1965.

Hi my name is apple, and while I am not an orange, per se, I would TOTALLY juice the fark out of that sexy orb.


1965 is less an orb and more a porcupine. Prosecuting joints is like beating a toddler because it can't form complete sentences to your liking.
2013-03-24 09:00:38 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.


Would love to hear your opinion on the right to assemble peacefully in Selma in 1965.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 08:56:13 PM
1 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.


Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.
2013-03-24 08:52:35 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

White collar crime can't really compare to this topic.  Those are much more complex cases with greater legal hurdles and has much more to do with money and power than race...if it has anything to do with race at all, which I doubt.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.
You answered your own question...the cops are in the problem areas because they are problem areas...as in criminal areas.
Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.
The white kids that I know/knew who smoke pot did it in their frat house etc.  The black folks who get caught smoking pot that I read about in the paper tend to do it while driving around in a car with no taillights and an expired tag or while standing on a street corner.  So, yeah, I guess it's racist that there are more cops driving down the street or walking the sidewalk than sitting in a private residence.
2013-03-24 08:40:29 PM
1 votes:

ginkor: Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.


Let me guess, white America's fault?
2013-03-24 08:16:50 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

Seriously. I would much, much rather be a black person arrested in Podunk, Mississippi than any farking state in the north east.


PA leads it IMHO.

Lsherm: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

I've found New Jersey is a scary place for racists, mainly because people don't even try to hide it.

Granted, I live in Richmond, VA and there are crazy amounts of racists here, but they attempt to hide it behind some kind of code.  My racist neighbor (he's 82) went to The Citadel graduation last year and he was complaining that half the class "didn't even look American" (read: minority).  A racist from Jersey would be like "did you see how many n*****s and chinks they had at that graduation?"


Southerners have better manners and pride themselves on social graces.
2013-03-24 08:05:02 PM
1 votes:

Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts


That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.
2013-03-24 07:59:14 PM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.

This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.


I dont know what to make of it. I mean, the highest numbers of hate groups are in California and Florida, both blue states. But i wouldnt start to build an arguemtn around something as meaningless as a "hate map." Mostly because I dont know what qualifies as a "hate group" these days. The CDC says I'm a rapist because I've had sex with a girld who has had a drink. Since she had a drink, she cant give consent, thus makign me a rapist.


The important thing is that you are the real victim here.
2013-03-24 07:57:30 PM
1 votes:
This is hardly news.
BAZINGA!
I'm from Mississippi and everyone there knows that racism is much more rampant in the northern cities and states.
BAZINGA!
/Carpetbaggers living in the south are generally much more racist than those people born there.
BAZINGA!
2013-03-24 07:51:36 PM
1 votes:

mjbok: If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.


The Bronx is hardly "the capital of understanding and forward thinking."

/Here's another hint: Times Square is a tourist trap that only 'tards from flyover country care about.
2013-03-24 07:37:37 PM
1 votes:

freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.


As an eastern european, I find your concept of hating each other over color "quaint".
2013-03-24 07:31:12 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.


pictures.mastermarf.com

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.
2013-03-24 07:28:50 PM
1 votes:
Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?
2013-03-24 07:16:09 PM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.


I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?


I'll put it this way: My arab friend grew up in the Midwest and went to college in Texas. He currently lives in central VA. He feels comfortable jsut about everywhere but the deep south. He doesn't even like to get out of his car to fill up his gas tank in MS, northern LA, and AR. Obviously anecdote =/= data but it's been worse for him in the south than the NE, MW, or anywhere else in the country. It's not like it was easy going after 9/11 either.
2013-03-24 07:11:03 PM
1 votes:

JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.


I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?
2013-03-24 07:09:47 PM
1 votes:
When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?
2013-03-24 07:06:38 PM
1 votes:

m00: Interesting to see what's stronger on fark... cop hate, or black-people hate.


Farkers love black cops.

assets.nydailynews.com
m00
2013-03-24 07:06:37 PM
1 votes:
Also, if the cop were smart he just would have used one of the many different aliases society uses to avoid saying "black males aged 14-21" when that's what they really mean.

...urban youth...
...likely obama voter...
...gang banger...

etc.
2013-03-24 07:02:03 PM
1 votes:

JohnnyC
diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.


No, it's not, in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast. But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived. Shallow and intellectually lazy, but a good effort indeed, it works on a lot of people living in your neck of the woods
2013-03-24 06:58:11 PM
1 votes:

mjbok: it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking


You have never actually been to NY have you.
2013-03-24 06:52:03 PM
1 votes:

diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.


Seriously. I would much, much rather be a black person arrested in Podunk, Mississippi than any farking state in the north east.
2013-03-24 06:50:41 PM
1 votes:
d) all of the above.

Where is the obvious tag anyways?
2013-03-24 05:15:41 PM
1 votes:
Too bad his supervisor didn't have a physics degree. He could have started with "Assume a spherical criminal..."
2013-03-24 04:14:50 PM
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With the way New York is, I'm pretty sure everyone poor is a criminal at all times. Way too many laws and King Bloomberg keeps trying to pass more.
2013-03-24 03:32:51 PM
1 votes:
can we get his name and address and send him a lot of pizzas?
just this once?
 
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