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(Gothamist)   Cop secretly records his supervisor ordering him to assume young black men are criminals in a) rural Georgia b) small town in Mississippi c) the Bronx   (gothamist.com) divider line 318
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2013-03-24 03:32:51 PM
can we get his name and address and send him a lot of pizzas?
just this once?
 
2013-03-24 03:39:12 PM
Shocking.  Truly.  Wait, wait, let me put on my shocked face.

::rolleyes::
 
2013-03-24 03:56:53 PM
He should have just said stop and frisk any male teenager and the policy would have been just about as effective. Teenage males are assholes and its society's job to keep them in line. We used to have rituals that did the job..... war games, tests of strength and endurance, vision questions, and the like that helped to keep the worst in check.
 
2013-03-24 04:14:50 PM
With the way New York is, I'm pretty sure everyone poor is a criminal at all times. Way too many laws and King Bloomberg keeps trying to pass more.
 
2013-03-24 04:25:02 PM
Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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2013-03-24 05:15:41 PM
Too bad his supervisor didn't have a physics degree. He could have started with "Assume a spherical criminal..."
 
2013-03-24 05:34:03 PM

Snarfangel: Too bad his supervisor didn't have a physics degree. He could have started with "Assume a spherical criminal..."


LOL!
 
2013-03-24 06:06:25 PM
This just in: NYPD Prides itself on being corrupt and racist.

Also, they can't hit the broad side of a barn.
 
2013-03-24 06:38:31 PM
There's a hold up in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
There's a scout troop short a child,
Kruschev's due at Idlewild
Car 54, Where Are You?
 
2013-03-24 06:38:31 PM
If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.
 
2013-03-24 06:40:44 PM

Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Sandusky cops? Racist? Don't you know what goes down at Cedar Point? Dems' be fightin' words!

/kidding
//honestly, truly kidding
///gotta love the "courage" of some people when it comes to self portraits
 
2013-03-24 06:40:44 PM
If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.
 
2013-03-24 06:42:44 PM
I always thought the right people were mostly rich old white males.
 
2013-03-24 06:43:26 PM
To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts
 
2013-03-24 06:44:30 PM

Arthur Jumbles: He should have just said stop and frisk any male teenager and the policy would have been just about as effective. Teenage males are assholes and its society's job to keep them in line. We used to have rituals that did the job..... war games, tests of strength and endurance, vision questions, and the like that helped to keep the worst in check.


I could go along with this.  Might as well frisk any girls with them that open their mouths.

/We have to stop these yutes in their tracks
 
2013-03-24 06:44:43 PM

hardinparamedic: This just in: NYPD Prides itself on being corrupt and racist.

Also, they can't hit the broad side of a barn.


To be fair, there aren't too many barns in the NYPD patrol areas. They can hit innocent bystanders at a decent clip though.

/also not surprised by the NYPD here
//stop and frisk is tied with enhanced pat downs for my least favorite government method
 
2013-03-24 06:45:22 PM

Wait this is news again, eh?


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to -re main-silent



For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. Schoolcraft's website looking for other cops to come forward is here. (41 minutes)Criminal Justice • Jobs/Employment • Police

/REALLY worth a listen
//pretty sure the unofficial quotas were mentioned in that too
 
2013-03-24 06:47:38 PM
Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.
 
2013-03-24 06:48:28 PM
Wait we found the one good cop who refuses to violate civil rights and records his supervisor telling him to do just that?

Dude is going to show up dead after falling down the stairs onto a knife and accidentally shooting himself 20 times.
 
2013-03-24 06:49:19 PM

Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.


The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.
 
2013-03-24 06:50:18 PM
So much for the thin blue line. I'm all in favor of what McCormack did, but if he wants to continue working as a cop going forward, I imagine he'll have a tough time.
 
2013-03-24 06:50:41 PM
d) all of the above.

Where is the obvious tag anyways?
 
2013-03-24 06:51:48 PM
Playing the odds.
 
2013-03-24 06:52:03 PM

diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.


Seriously. I would much, much rather be a black person arrested in Podunk, Mississippi than any farking state in the north east.
 
2013-03-24 06:52:29 PM
Looks like this is related to the Schoolcraft case.

This American Life had a great story on Schoolcraft a while back.

Schoolcraft was forced out of the NYPD for exposing the unjustifiable stop and frisks. And then they threw in him a mental ward to make everyone think he was crazy. What did he do that made people say he was crazy? Well, he recorded that, too. At about 44:30 on the link above.
 
2013-03-24 06:52:56 PM

Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.


Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.
 
2013-03-24 06:53:13 PM

diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.


You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.
 
2013-03-24 06:53:30 PM

diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.


Visit St. Joseph, Michigan... after visiting Benton Harbor, Michigan (right next to each other), The one is the whitest city in Michigan, the other is the darkest. And the whitest city is one of the homes of that well-known bastion of racial harmony and cooperation, the Michigan Militia.
 
2013-03-24 06:54:30 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wait this is news again, eh?
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to -re main-silent

For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. Schoolcraft's website looking for other cops to come forward is here. (41 minutes)Criminal Justice • Jobs/Employment • Police

/REALLY worth a listen
//pretty sure the unofficial quotas were mentioned in that too


Shakes tiny fist.

Then

www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-03-24 06:55:15 PM

JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.


Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.
 
2013-03-24 06:56:06 PM

JohnnyC: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.


I think Antartica might be the exception that proves the rule, but you're definitely correct with regards to places naturally populated by humans.
 
2013-03-24 06:58:11 PM

mjbok: it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking


You have never actually been to NY have you.
 
2013-03-24 06:59:38 PM

diaphoresis: If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


Pretty much this. Less time in your drum circles, more time researching statistics and crime data.
 
2013-03-24 07:00:29 PM
What is the problem? Anyone with a brain has no problem figuring out who commits most crimes in America. It's really sad, but the truth isn't always easy to handle. It would be nice if the police could determine which kids are being raised without a strong father figure and parents who don't have a job. Lock these people up before they have a chance to breed!
 
2013-03-24 07:01:14 PM

rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.


No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?
 
m00
2013-03-24 07:02:01 PM
Interesting to see what's stronger on fark... cop hate, or black-people hate.
 
2013-03-24 07:02:03 PM

JohnnyC
diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.


No, it's not, in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast. But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived. Shallow and intellectually lazy, but a good effort indeed, it works on a lot of people living in your neck of the woods
 
2013-03-24 07:04:46 PM

rjkline: What is the problem? Anyone with a brain has no problem figuring out who commits most crimes in America. It's really sad, but the truth isn't always easy to handle. It would be nice if the police could determine which kids are being raised without a strong father figure and parents who don't have a job. Lock these people up before they have a chance to breed!


then 75% of the black population would be locked up then.
 
2013-03-24 07:05:41 PM

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.


I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.
 
2013-03-24 07:05:46 PM
young black men are criminals in a) rural Georgia b) small town in Mississippi c) the Bronx

Trick question. They are criminals everywhere.
 
2013-03-24 07:06:09 PM

rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.


Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

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States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.
 
m00
2013-03-24 07:06:37 PM
Also, if the cop were smart he just would have used one of the many different aliases society uses to avoid saying "black males aged 14-21" when that's what they really mean.

...urban youth...
...likely obama voter...
...gang banger...

etc.
 
2013-03-24 07:06:38 PM

m00: Interesting to see what's stronger on fark... cop hate, or black-people hate.


Farkers love black cops.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-03-24 07:08:28 PM

JohnnyC: rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.

No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?


You sound angry so I'm gonna go play somewhere else now.  Please enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
/Added to ignore.
 
2013-03-24 07:09:18 PM

JohnnyC: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.


Granted.. but I did learn about a vicious circle of racism up there.. whites complain more about blacks, blacks complain more about Hispanics (according to some: because they are making blacks into 3rd class citizens.. wtf?!), and Hispanics complain more about whites because they feel they are real americans even though they don't have green cards.

It took me about 2 weeks in and around Detroit to get this kind of 'man on the street' opinions.. Honestly, I can't follow the thought process for ANYONE'S opinion in the area.
 
2013-03-24 07:09:47 PM
When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?
 
2013-03-24 07:10:36 PM

mjbok: If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.


Bear in mind that the stories about these scandals are actually getting a huge amount of play in media targeting New Yorkers who are interested in New York, so that's probably not a particularly accurate assessment.

Essentially, all the cool people have simply decided not to tell Ohio where the party is.

/ Kidding.
// Sort of.
 
2013-03-24 07:10:44 PM

Elegy: rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

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States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.


Please normalize for % of population
 
2013-03-24 07:11:03 PM

JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.


I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?
 
2013-03-24 07:11:07 PM

m00: Also, if the cop were smart he just would have used one of the many different aliases society uses to avoid saying "black males aged 14-21" when that's what they really mean.

...urban youth...
...likely obama voter...
...gang banger...

etc.


Canadians..
 
2013-03-24 07:11:23 PM
Looks like someone's been reading FBI crime statistics again. Shame, shame.
 
2013-03-24 07:11:28 PM

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.


This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.
 
2013-03-24 07:12:52 PM

diaphoresis: Granted.. but I did learn about a vicious circle of racism up there.. whites complain more about blacks, blacks complain more about Hispanics (according to some: because they are making blacks into 3rd class citizens.. wtf?!), and Hispanics complain more about whites because they feel they are real americans even though they don't have green cards.

It took me about 2 weeks in and around Detroit to get this kind of 'man on the street' opinions.. Honestly, I can't follow the thought process for ANYONE'S opinion in the area.


All I really know about Michigan is that a guy I was in business with in Chicago for a while used to tell some pretty insane stories about him and his buddies getting into brawls with Chaldean gangs. Where do they fit into this?
 
2013-03-24 07:16:09 PM

Gdalescrboz: JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.


I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?


I'll put it this way: My arab friend grew up in the Midwest and went to college in Texas. He currently lives in central VA. He feels comfortable jsut about everywhere but the deep south. He doesn't even like to get out of his car to fill up his gas tank in MS, northern LA, and AR. Obviously anecdote =/= data but it's been worse for him in the south than the NE, MW, or anywhere else in the country. It's not like it was easy going after 9/11 either.
 
2013-03-24 07:16:20 PM

JohnnyC: rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.

No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?


Are you aware of the definition of racism?

Do you believe that statistics (or the use thereof) fall into that category?
 
2013-03-24 07:17:25 PM

rkiller1: JohnnyC: rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.

No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?

You sound angry so I'm gonna go play somewhere else now.  Please enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
/Added to ignore.


Hahahah! Must have touched a nerve with that one...

Gdalescrboz: I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?


Feel free to call whatever you like. Arguing from your gut is apparently not a good idea for you since it hasn't brought you to a correct assumption yet, but okay. Also, nice strawman you're trying to build there.
 
2013-03-24 07:21:16 PM

JohnnyC: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.


Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

/wife is a descendant of a mixed marriage
//A grandpa of hers was a British slave that immigrated to the US
 
2013-03-24 07:21:53 PM

namatad: can we get his name and address and send him a lot of pizzas?
just this once?


What, exactly, did the pizza places around him ever do to you?
 
2013-03-24 07:22:04 PM

Elegy: rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

[i.imgur.com image 300x219]

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.


Well, duh.  My town hadn't had a murder in 25 years before some black dude from Milwaukee killed his girlfriend here.
 
2013-03-24 07:24:15 PM
It doesn't matter what country you're in.  Young males in poor neighborhoods commit crimes are a disproportionately high rate.  Race doesn't make someone a criminal, but with so many young black males growing up in poverty it's hardly surprising that they would have more criminals in their midst and as a result attract the attentions of law enforcement.  The legacy of mistrust between blacks and the police due to their role in subjugating black people is also a factor here.
 
2013-03-24 07:26:25 PM
"The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

entertainnow.net
 
2013-03-24 07:28:39 PM
Young black men are not the criminals. It is clearly middle aged white women who are committing these acts.
 
2013-03-24 07:28:50 PM
Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?
 
2013-03-24 07:30:41 PM

Hokkaido_Crying: "The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

[entertainnow.net image 700x392]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-24 07:31:12 PM

Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.


pictures.mastermarf.com

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.
 
2013-03-24 07:31:18 PM

Takeshi6400: It doesn't matter what country you're in.  Young males in poor neighborhoods commit crimes are a disproportionately high rate.  Race doesn't make someone a criminal, but with so many young black males growing up in poverty it's hardly surprising that they would have more criminals in their midst and as a result attract the attentions of law enforcement.  The legacy of mistrust between blacks and the police due to their role in subjugating black people is also a factor here.


It's not just poverty, it's also culture.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:05 PM

namatad: can we get his name and address and send him a lot of pizzas?
just this once?


My thought.

He also said that he told some teens whom he'd been ordered to issue a bogus summons, "they should take my name down and if they sue, they could use me as a witness."

Holy shiat, an honest and brave cop. Clearly the world will be ending soon.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:21 PM

1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?


We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:37 PM

lack of warmth: Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.


Yeah... that happens sometimes (you find out someone is racist that you really didn't think of that way). I'm a mutt... mix of many races. My wife and I don't have any limitations about what we would allow in our home from our kids when it comes to relationships/etc. They'll be with whomever they are with... it really isn't up for us to decide. Besides... we don't ever want there to be a situation where our kids feel like they would need to hide things from us. I'm sure they will anyway on some level... but the less of that the better.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:56 PM

Hokkaido_Crying: "The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

[entertainnow.net image 700x392]


He said he was nice to the chief.  Did what he said.  Chief wouldn't help him arrest criminals.  Last heard muttering, "fark you Jobu, I'll do it myself" as he walked to his squad car.
 
2013-03-24 07:34:59 PM

1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?


re:re:fwd:re: FBI CRIME STATISTICS
 
2013-03-24 07:35:46 PM

rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.


I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.
 
2013-03-24 07:37:37 PM

freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.


As an eastern european, I find your concept of hating each other over color "quaint".
 
2013-03-24 07:38:44 PM

JohnnyC: lack of warmth: Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

Yeah... that happens sometimes (you find out someone is racist that you really didn't think of that way). I'm a mutt... mix of many races. My wife and I don't have any limitations about what we would allow in our home from our kids when it comes to relationships/etc. They'll be with whomever they are with... it really isn't up for us to decide. Besides... we don't ever want there to be a situation where our kids feel like they would need to hide things from us. I'm sure they will anyway on some level... but the less of that the better.


AHEM.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

"Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!

Black ass momma, (black ass momma), white ass daddy, (white ass daddy)!

Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!"
 
2013-03-24 07:41:35 PM

freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.


2045, baby. That's when it's predicted white people will be a minority in the US.
 
2013-03-24 07:41:54 PM

hardinparamedic: JohnnyC: lack of warmth: Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

Yeah... that happens sometimes (you find out someone is racist that you really didn't think of that way). I'm a mutt... mix of many races. My wife and I don't have any limitations about what we would allow in our home from our kids when it comes to relationships/etc. They'll be with whomever they are with... it really isn't up for us to decide. Besides... we don't ever want there to be a situation where our kids feel like they would need to hide things from us. I'm sure they will anyway on some level... but the less of that the better.

AHEM.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 180x195]

"Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!

Black ass momma, (black ass momma), white ass daddy, (white ass daddy)!

Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!"


"Well you/re black...ish. What's the word for it Lana, you freaked out when I said quadroon!"

/best comedy on TV
 
2013-03-24 07:45:09 PM

fusillade762: 2045, baby. That's when it's predicted white people will be a minority in the US.


Then my grandkids can get into Harvard on a minority status. Cool.
/Who am I kidding, the Supreme Court will move the goalposts before then.
 
2013-03-24 07:46:09 PM

hardinparamedic: AHEM.


Haha... I farking love Archer. That show is incredible. :D
 
2013-03-24 07:46:27 PM

fusillade762: freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.

2045, baby. That's when it's predicted white people will be a minority in the US.


This is awesome. In a world where minorities are the new majority, the men of the new minority will seem exotic and dangerous.

/ Once you go white... something that rhymes with white happens.
// Then again, I'll be 60. I should probably just buy a motorcycle.
 
2013-03-24 07:48:38 PM
Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.
 
2013-03-24 07:49:46 PM

BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.


Que?
 
2013-03-24 07:51:36 PM

mjbok: If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.


The Bronx is hardly "the capital of understanding and forward thinking."

/Here's another hint: Times Square is a tourist trap that only 'tards from flyover country care about.
 
2013-03-24 07:53:17 PM

Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?


You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.
 
2013-03-24 07:54:06 PM

lack of warmth: Arthur Jumbles: He should have just said stop and frisk any male teenager and the policy would have been just about as effective. Teenage males are assholes and its society's job to keep them in line. We used to have rituals that did the job..... war games, tests of strength and endurance, vision questions, and the like that helped to keep the worst in check.

I could go along with this.  Might as well frisk any girls with them that open their mouths.

/We have to stop these yutes in their tracks



Uh... did you say "yutes"?
 
2013-03-24 07:54:11 PM

hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.



Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.


Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.
 
2013-03-24 07:55:37 PM

Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.


You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.
 
2013-03-24 07:55:55 PM

JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.

This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.


I dont know what to make of it. I mean, the highest numbers of hate groups are in California and Florida, both blue states. But i wouldnt start to build an arguemtn around something as meaningless as a "hate map." Mostly because I dont know what qualifies as a "hate group" these days. The CDC says I'm a rapist because I've had sex with a girld who has had a drink. Since she had a drink, she cant give consent, thus makign me a rapist.
 
2013-03-24 07:57:30 PM
This is hardly news.
BAZINGA!
I'm from Mississippi and everyone there knows that racism is much more rampant in the northern cities and states.
BAZINGA!
/Carpetbaggers living in the south are generally much more racist than those people born there.
BAZINGA!
 
2013-03-24 07:58:43 PM

redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

 
2013-03-24 07:59:05 PM

BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?

You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.


Derpy derpy derrrr
 
2013-03-24 07:59:14 PM

Gdalescrboz: JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.

This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.


I dont know what to make of it. I mean, the highest numbers of hate groups are in California and Florida, both blue states. But i wouldnt start to build an arguemtn around something as meaningless as a "hate map." Mostly because I dont know what qualifies as a "hate group" these days. The CDC says I'm a rapist because I've had sex with a girld who has had a drink. Since she had a drink, she cant give consent, thus makign me a rapist.


The important thing is that you are the real victim here.
 
2013-03-24 08:01:11 PM
Gdalescrboz: I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?

Feel free to call whatever you like. Arguing from your gut is apparently not a good idea for you since it hasn't brought you to a correct assumption yet, but okay. Also, nice strawman you're trying to build there.


JohnnyC:
You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.


You were saying somethign about "arguing from your gut?"
 
2013-03-24 08:01:20 PM

Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?

You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.

Derpy derpy derrrr


Sterling rebuttal. I would apologize for touching a nerve, but I'm not sorry.
 
2013-03-24 08:03:08 PM

BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?

You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.

Derpy derpy derrrr

Sterling rebuttal. I would apologize for touching a nerve, but I'm not sorry.


Hurrrrr Durrrr
 
2013-03-24 08:05:02 PM

Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts


That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.
 
2013-03-24 08:05:31 PM
A Farker from the South points and laughs as uppity Farkers from the Coasts & Northern states assume that most people  are racists in a) rural Georgia b) small town in Mississippi c) the Bronx
 
2013-03-24 08:06:13 PM

redmid17: You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.


Well off the top of my head, the South has the highest black % of population.
 
2013-03-24 08:06:43 PM

redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.


Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.
 
2013-03-24 08:07:34 PM

rkiller1: Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?


Not really institutional racism, but the 10 most segregated cities in the US are almost exclusively in the North, with the exception of LA.
 
2013-03-24 08:09:46 PM

Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.


I was just bringing up a point someone else brought up to you that you neglected to address. The per 100K also doesn't adjust for the percentage of population, but I'm sure you know that.
 
2013-03-24 08:12:28 PM

diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.


I've found New Jersey is a scary place for racists, mainly because people don't even try to hide it.

Granted, I live in Richmond, VA and there are crazy amounts of racists here, but they attempt to hide it behind some kind of code.  My racist neighbor (he's 82) went to The Citadel graduation last year and he was complaining that half the class "didn't even look American" (read: minority).  A racist from Jersey would be like "did you see how many n*****s and chinks they had at that graduation?"
 
2013-03-24 08:14:43 PM

dickfreckle: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.


That's exactly what it means.  With limited resources, doesn't it make sense to direct them where they are most likely to garner results?  Or should they equally focus on girl scouts because fairness?
 
2013-03-24 08:15:01 PM

Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.
 
2013-03-24 08:16:50 PM

Elegy: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

Seriously. I would much, much rather be a black person arrested in Podunk, Mississippi than any farking state in the north east.


PA leads it IMHO.

Lsherm: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

I've found New Jersey is a scary place for racists, mainly because people don't even try to hide it.

Granted, I live in Richmond, VA and there are crazy amounts of racists here, but they attempt to hide it behind some kind of code.  My racist neighbor (he's 82) went to The Citadel graduation last year and he was complaining that half the class "didn't even look American" (read: minority).  A racist from Jersey would be like "did you see how many n*****s and chinks they had at that graduation?"


Southerners have better manners and pride themselves on social graces.
 
2013-03-24 08:17:15 PM

redmid17: I was just bringing up a point someone else brought up to you that you neglected to address. The per 100K also doesn't adjust for the percentage of population, but I'm sure you know that.


...what? Farking numbers, how do they work?
 
Slu
2013-03-24 08:19:06 PM

mjbok: If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.


Not sure a federal lawsuit qualifies as meh status, but whatever.

Also, way to derail the thread. This thread should be about hating cops, which is something everyone in all parts of the country can agree on.
 
2013-03-24 08:20:47 PM
The racist in me wants to say this is awesome.  The cop hater in me, wants the cop to be fired for being racist.  I am so confused.
 
2013-03-24 08:22:18 PM

Silly Jesus: dickfreckle: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.

That's exactly what it means.  With limited resources, doesn't it make sense to direct them where they are most likely to garner results?  Or should they equally focus on girl scouts because fairness?

Silly Jesus: dickfreckle: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.

That's exactly what it means.  With limited resources, doesn't it make sense to direct them where they are most likely to garner results?  Or should they equally focus on girl scouts because fairness?


So they should concentrate their efforts on males, 15-35 years? OK by me. Any individuals in that group have to give up their presumption of equal treatment under the law - it's their fault for belonging to a group of criminals.
 
2013-03-24 08:24:45 PM
The triangles are coming next.
 
2013-03-24 08:24:46 PM
I've not lived in the South, so I have no clue how it compares, but my suspicion is that while overt racism may be worse in some areas of the country, institutional racism occupies a pretty narrow spectrum (e.g. somewhere between pretty bad and really bad, rather than between not too bad and apartheid) wherever it exists.
 
2013-03-24 08:25:59 PM

jso2897: Silly Jesus: dickfreckle: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.

That's exactly what it means.  With limited resources, doesn't it make sense to direct them where they are most likely to garner results?  Or should they equally focus on girl scouts because fairness?
Silly Jesus: dickfreckle: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.

That's exactly what it means.  With limited resources, doesn't it make sense to direct them where they are most likely to garner results?  Or should they equally focus on girl sco ...


Um, ok.

Farkied:  Potato
 
2013-03-24 08:26:09 PM

Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts


If you arrested 40 retired white women and 10 black men, the mugshot roundup would be 80% white. What exactly was YOUR point? Police arrest who they want to arrest.
 
2013-03-24 08:26:49 PM

The Angry Hand of God: The racist in me wants to say this is awesome.  The cop hater in me, wants the cop to be fired for being racist.  I am so confused.


Turn on America's funniest Home Videos, and try not to think. You'll only hurt yourself, anyway.
 
2013-03-24 08:28:22 PM

Silly Jesus: Um, ok.

Farkied: Potato


Well, you certainly told ME, didn't you? :D
 
2013-03-24 08:28:33 PM

Elegy: Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.


So the people who commit the crimes are the ones going to jail? Thanks for clarifying that.
 
2013-03-24 08:29:45 PM

Another Government Employee: The triangles are coming next.


Pyramids boy... pyramids
 
2013-03-24 08:31:51 PM
There is pie chart out there that proves this.  o_o
 
2013-03-24 08:31:56 PM

redmid17: Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.

I was just bringing up a point someone else brought up to you that you neglected to address. The per 100K also doesn't adjust for the percentage of population, but I'm sure you know that.


If you look at footnote 9 in the original prison policy report, it cites official us government statistics Prison and Jail Inmates at mid year 2005.

Specifically, it cites the table on page 11, which states that the statistics presented in that tar are:
Based on intercensal estimates of each State's resident population (by race and Hispanic origin) for July 1, 2004, and then adjusted to the State resident totals for July 1, 2005.

Uh oh, what now?
 
2013-03-24 08:32:08 PM

Acharne: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

If you arrested 40 retired white women and 10 black men, the mugshot roundup would be 80% white. What exactly was YOUR point? Police arrest who they want to arrest.


Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?
 
2013-03-24 08:32:54 PM
Farkers, please...
 
2013-03-24 08:33:13 PM

jso2897: Silly Jesus: Um, ok.

Farkied: Potato

Well, you certainly told ME, didn't you? :D


Booyah!
 
2013-03-24 08:34:13 PM
1 out of every 4 people who smoke will develop either cardio-pulmonary problems or cancer attributable to smoking.  So society works at a multitude of levels to get people to stop smoking.

About 1 out of every 4 black men is either in prison or probation.  Sucks to be them.

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.
 
2013-03-24 08:35:59 PM
Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?
 
2013-03-24 08:38:20 PM

Yogimus: Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?


You're the first! Congratulations!
 
2013-03-24 08:39:17 PM

Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.

I was just bringing up a point someone else brought up to you that you neglected to address. The per 100K also doesn't adjust for the percentage of population, but I'm sure you know that.

If you look at footnote 9 in the original prison policy report, it cites official us government statistics Prison and Jail Inmates at mid year 2005.

Specifically, it cites the table on page 11, which states that the statistics presented in that tar are:
Based on intercensal estimates of each State's resident population (by race and Hispanic origin) for July 1, 2004, and then adjusted to the State resident totals for July 1, 2005.

Uh oh, what now?


I like mashed potatoes with gravy. How about you?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 08:39:53 PM

Snarfangel: Too bad his supervisor didn't have a physics degree. He could have started with "Assume a spherical criminal..."


HAHAHAHA, that really is funny.
/shakes-tiny-fist-at-math-major
 
2013-03-24 08:40:08 PM

Yogimus: Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?


Shhhh!
 
2013-03-24 08:40:28 PM

AbbeySomeone: Southerners have better manners and pride themselves on social graces.


That is a pretty accurate assessment of what is going on.  I'm in an extremely rural area, but my neighbors at the farm across the street are incredibly racist, primarily because they're both over 80 years old.  My wife and I are friendly with an African American family that lives on 10 acres down the road, and they refer to our racist neighbors as people "with the old way of thinking."  People don't call each other racist down here even if they ARE racist.

Fun fact about the AA family - the 10 acres were purchased pre-Civil War by their family after their slave ancestors were granted freedom from a plantation in North Carolina by their owner.  They paid for the land by agreeing to work the neighboring farm that surrounds it for 30 years.  The war cut that promise short by 10 years, but they held onto the land afterwards and now they have 4 generations of family living on it in some capacity.  They also have one of the most indecipherable Southern Virginia accents I've ever come across.
 
2013-03-24 08:40:29 PM

ginkor: Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.


Let me guess, white America's fault?
 
2013-03-24 08:41:21 PM

BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.



Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.
 
2013-03-24 08:41:30 PM
 For more on all this, the Daily News has a giant photo of the type of audio recorder Serrano used.

I lol'd
 
2013-03-24 08:43:00 PM

Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.


Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.


Perhaps you can explain how statistics are racist.  Nobody else seems to be able to, they just name call.
 
2013-03-24 08:44:31 PM

redmid17: Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.

I was just bringing up a point someone else brought up to you that you neglected to address. The per 100K also doesn't adjust for the percentage of population, but I'm sure you know that.

If you look at footnote 9 in the original prison policy report, it cites official us government statistics Prison and Jail Inmates at mid year 2005.

Specifically, it cites the table on page 11, which states that the statistics presented in that tar are:
Based on intercensal estimates of each State's resident population (by race and Hispanic origin) for July 1, 2004, and then adjusted to the State resident totals for July 1, 2005.

Uh oh, what now?

I like mashed potatoes with gravy. How about you?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-24 08:45:02 PM

Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?


Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.

Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 08:46:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

[pictures.mastermarf.com image 600x258]

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.


Apparently he never heard of the origins of the 'good old boy' network.

/hint: it sure didnt start north of the mason-dixon...y'all
 
2013-03-24 08:47:25 PM

redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.


For all your whining, you sure haven't provided any counter evidence. S hocking.
 
2013-03-24 08:48:44 PM

Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.


You should show him the educational breakdown by race and how minorities in the North fare worse than the South/West in general.  He'll have excuses for that as well.
 
2013-03-24 08:50:26 PM

Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?


I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.
 
2013-03-24 08:50:48 PM

MyRandomName: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

For all your whining, you sure haven't provided any counter evidence. S hocking.


All my whining? one post?

/go fark a prickly boar mouth
 
2013-03-24 08:51:12 PM

Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.


Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.


Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?
 
2013-03-24 08:52:35 PM

Lsherm: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

White collar crime can't really compare to this topic.  Those are much more complex cases with greater legal hurdles and has much more to do with money and power than race...if it has anything to do with race at all, which I doubt.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.
You answered your own question...the cops are in the problem areas because they are problem areas...as in criminal areas.
Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.
The white kids that I know/knew who smoke pot did it in their frat house etc.  The black folks who get caught smoking pot that I read about in the paper tend to do it while driving around in a car with no taillights and an expired tag or while standing on a street corner.  So, yeah, I guess it's racist that there are more cops driving down the street or walking the sidewalk than sitting in a private residence.
 
2013-03-24 08:52:45 PM

MyRandomName: Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.

You should show him the educational breakdown by race and how minorities in the North fare worse than the South/West in general.  He'll have excuses for that as well.


Probably not. There is a lot of cultural effect as well.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 08:56:13 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.


Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.
 
2013-03-24 08:58:12 PM

gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.


Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.
 
2013-03-24 08:58:17 PM

gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.


I'd go out on a limb and say he's probably not someone I'd smoke a joint with*

*if I smoked

non violent drug crimes are not a good idea
 
2013-03-24 08:58:23 PM

andrewagill: Looks like this is related to the Schoolcraft case.

This American Life had a great story on Schoolcraft a while back.

Schoolcraft was forced out of the NYPD for exposing the unjustifiable stop and frisks. And then they threw in him a mental ward to make everyone think he was crazy. What did he do that made people say he was crazy? Well, he recorded that, too. At about 44:30 on the link above.


That is terrifying. Thanks for the link.
 
2013-03-24 09:00:38 PM

Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.


Would love to hear your opinion on the right to assemble peacefully in Selma in 1965.
 
2013-03-24 09:02:18 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Wait we found the one good cop who refuses to violate civil rights and records his supervisor telling him to do just that?

Dude is going to show up dead after falling down the stairs onto a knife and accidentally shooting himself 20 times.


fenrisolo.files.wordpress.com

I think I've seen that movie.

/All they have to do is nothing
//You can be the first one through the door only so many times before you get it
///If you love a man's garden you gotta love the man
 
2013-03-24 09:03:34 PM

redmid17: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

Would love to hear your opinion on the right to assemble peacefully in Selma in 1965.


Hi my name is apple, and while I am not an orange, per se, I would TOTALLY juice the fark out of that sexy orb.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 09:03:50 PM

Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.


No, the laws need to change. The current law regarding pot is asinine and wasteful. It achieves little more than clogging the legal system.

By all means, let's waste a very finite resource on a containing a "problem" that returns little or no benefit to the populous at large.
I am a law-abiding person, non-smoker, drink very infrequently, etc...
But it chaffs my butt that we continue to prosecute pot use the same way we do meth and such, in many localities.
This is stupid. It is a failure.
 
2013-03-24 09:04:59 PM

gja: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

No, the laws need to change. The current law regarding pot is asinine and wasteful. It achieves little more than clogging the legal system.

By all means, let's waste a very finite resource on a containing a "problem" that returns little or no benefit to the populous at large.
I am a law-abiding person, non-smoker, drink very infrequently, etc...
But it chaffs my butt that we continue to prosecute pot use the same way we do meth and such, in many localities.
This is stupid. It is a failure.


This I agree with.
 
2013-03-24 09:05:27 PM

Yogimus: Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?


"Hey! Everyone! Look at me! Look at me! Hey! Over here! Hey, yeah! OVER HERE! I'm a TROOOOOLLL! Hey! Hey! Hey! I'm a TROOOLLLLL! Look at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
 
2013-03-24 09:06:27 PM

Yogimus: redmid17: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

Would love to hear your opinion on the right to assemble peacefully in Selma in 1965.

Hi my name is apple, and while I am not an orange, per se, I would TOTALLY juice the fark out of that sexy orb.


1965 is less an orb and more a porcupine. Prosecuting joints is like beating a toddler because it can't form complete sentences to your liking.
 
2013-03-24 09:07:27 PM

VendorXeno: Yogimus: Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?

"Hey! Everyone! Look at me! Look at me! Hey! Over here! Hey, yeah! OVER HERE! I'm a TROOOOOLLL! Hey! Hey! Hey! I'm a TROOOLLLLL! Look at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"


Just pointing out that if you don't control your youth, the rest of society will do so for you.
 
2013-03-24 09:11:45 PM

gja: Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.


No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yogimus: Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.


Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

Yogimus: Hi my name is apple, and while I am not an orange, per se, I would TOTALLY juice the fark out of that sexy orb.


Nonviolent, possibly even helpful crime?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 09:13:02 PM

Yogimus: gja: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

No, the laws need to change. The current law regarding pot is asinine and wasteful. It achieves little more than clogging the legal system.

By all means, let's waste a very finite resource on a containing a "problem" that returns little or no benefit to the populous at large.
I am a law-abiding person, non-smoker, drink very infrequently, etc...
But it chaffs my butt that we continue to prosecute pot use the same way we do meth and such, in many localities.
This is stupid. It is a failure.

This I agree with.


Glad to hear reason is possible with you.
This is the point I am making in my post. Continuation of a failed/wasteful policy "because that's the way we have always done it" is perhaps the absolute definition and embodiment of 'huh-derp'.
Every person incarcerated for casual/personal pot use is a drain on the system that is completely wasteful and generally without a ROI for the taxpaying populous.
I am an engineer. So things need to:
1. Make sense
2. Follow a reasoned order of logic
3. Provide a payback for the effort involved and the resources used to prvide the desired/designed outcome

Absent of these criteria and my geek-a-larm goes off and I get stuck in div/0 mindset.
 
2013-03-24 09:13:26 PM
When I read threads like this, I'm grateful to be Asian. However when I watch sports or porn, I sometimes wish I were Black.
 
2013-03-24 09:13:27 PM

Yogimus: Just pointing out that if you don't control your youth, the rest of society will do so for you.


Classic racism. This portrays the black community as some kind of separate and unified entity that isn't being "responsible," enough to defend ah illegal policy of harassing people without any basis for suspecting them of criminal activity. The only question is whether you're saying something this stupid because you're genuinely a bigoted idiot or because you're just a pitiful asshole trying to troll strangers online because you are stupid and like to piss people off by acting like an asshole. Either way, you're way, way too farking stupid to spend another second interacting with, ever. Blocked, moron.
 
2013-03-24 09:17:39 PM

Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Except for that little bit about the KKK was formed by Democrats and continues to be filled with Democrats.

/racism has a liberal bias
 
2013-03-24 09:18:06 PM
This article is actually bullshiat as a reading of the entire transcript shows - the supervisor told the cop that he - the cop - had GREAT people - 98% GREAT people in his precinct who needed to be kept safe.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 09:19:06 PM

Atomic Spunk: When I read threads like this, I'm grateful to be Asian. However when I watch sports or porn, I sometimes wish I were Black.


LOL. That's a myth, FYI. My colleague from Guyana always mumbles something along the lines of "i musta skipped a generation for that, dammit".

/don't know why he should care, he has a 170iq and was a westinghouse scholar
 
2013-03-24 09:22:25 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Except for that little bit about the KKK was formed by Democrats


And Republicans actually used to be a party of small government and reasonable policies. What's your point?

Smeggy Smurf: and continues to be filled with Democrats.


Oh, you're just making shiat up wholesale then. Shoulda known.
 
2013-03-24 09:23:46 PM

FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.


Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.
 
2013-03-24 09:26:24 PM

Silly Jesus: Acharne: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

If you arrested 40 retired white women and 10 black men, the mugshot roundup would be 80% white. What exactly was YOUR point? Police arrest who they want to arrest.

Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?


Your phrasing is a bit awkward but essentially covers it. The police look harder at black people, and the results of that are more black arrestees. I'm not saying black people don't commit crimes, of course they do, they are people. I certainly see a bias though, and much profiling. I don't know where you live, but where I live if you are native, you get looked three times. If you're white, maybe half a glance. Cops do that shiat, you can't ignore it.
 
2013-03-24 09:27:17 PM

TsukasaK: FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.


This
 
2013-03-24 09:30:42 PM

TsukasaK: FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.


Also, as the closet (and overt) bigots here keep blatantly overlooking, we're not talking about people who are breaking the law. We're talking about stopping and searching people because they had a physical trait in common (sort of) with some other people who have broken the law in the past. Not all other people by any stretch, (plenty of white women break the law all the time,) but you know, just sort of like some criminals. Worst, this kind of profiling IS breaking the law. So it's bizarre to see people here trying to defend cops who are breaking the law by stopping people who aren't via the argument, "we have to obey the law." In short, those people are utter cretins.
 
2013-03-24 09:31:20 PM

Lsherm: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.

Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.


It's not as unlikely a scenario as you might think. About the only place left one has any guaranteed 4th Amendment rights is in one's house, and to a great extent, one's business. The crimes cops arrest ANYONE for are crimes they can see. So if you smoke dope outside you get busted for it; do it at home, not so much. If people could commit bank fraud out on the street, I guess they could be arrested for it; but it's kind of tough to do. Since bank fraud or insider trading needs computers and phones and lots of paper, it has to be done inside where nobody can see it.

It's worth noting that one of the most successful counterfeiters in recent history was a black ex-gangster, who'd done time for robbery, who had a whole setup in his home in Lawndale (not the best of all LA areas). But he never got caught until the Secret Service finally tracked him down...because it was all inside. So just being black, or even a black criminal, isn't a guarantee that cops are going to be all over you.
 
2013-03-24 09:42:18 PM

Lsherm: AbbeySomeone: Southerners have better manners and pride themselves on social graces.

That is a pretty accurate assessment of what is going on.  I'm in an extremely rural area, but my neighbors at the farm across the street are incredibly racist, primarily because they're both over 80 years old.  My wife and I are friendly with an African American family that lives on 10 acres down the road, and they refer to our racist neighbors as people "with the old way of thinking."  People don't call each other racist down here even if they ARE racist.

Fun fact about the AA family - the 10 acres were purchased pre-Civil War by their family after their slave ancestors were granted freedom from a plantation in North Carolina by their owner.  They paid for the land by agreeing to work the neighboring farm that surrounds it for 30 years.  The war cut that promise short by 10 years, but they held onto the land afterwards and now they have 4 generations of family living on it in some capacity.  They also have one of the most indecipherable Southern Virginia accents I've ever come across.


cs y'all
 
2013-03-24 09:47:54 PM
Overall, I think less folks of every culture would be harassed for pot and other nonviolent crap if more folks would stop shooting each others babies near where they live.

Quit being violent and we can work out the nonviolent shiat a lot easier.

We'd have less cops if we had less folks who do violent shiat. It'd be great to get rid of them both.
//Then maybe we'd have more funds for schools and infrastructure.
/ Whatever.
 
2013-03-24 09:52:57 PM

lack of warmth: JohnnyC: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

/wife is a descendant of a mixed marriage
//A grandpa of hers was a British slave that immigrated to the US


I was amazed to hear what my grandmother told me when I brought home a Korean girl who I ended up dating for many years and nearly marrying. She told me it was good that I was dating a Korean because "whites and Orientals make the most beautiful babies," and that it was a good thing I didn't bring home a black girl because she would have had to write me out of the will. I was flabbergasted. And extremely tempted to tell her about a girl I'd dated in high school. But I didn't. Because she's a vindictive drama queen. And I didn't want to deal with that, or to add another thing for her to vent about to everyone in the family.
 
2013-03-24 09:55:22 PM
was he ordered to leave the bronx??
 
2013-03-24 09:57:50 PM
I hope that cop is independently wealthy and that he is going into the witness protection program. Because every other NYPD cop is going to be after him.
 
2013-03-24 10:03:10 PM

shotglasss: Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.


Oh, we're going to pretend that the Southern Strategy never happened now, are we?
 
2013-03-24 10:10:30 PM
shotglasss (farkied: Has had way too many shotglasses):  Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.

1) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.
2) That's a DRINK! for "teh KKK was teh Demonrats hurr durr" and a DRINK! for "Democrat party gosh that Rush Lamebrain is so clever!"
 
2013-03-24 10:14:05 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: shotglasss (farkied: Has had way too many shotglasses):  Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.

1) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.
2) That's a DRINK! for "teh KKK was teh Demonrats hurr durr" and a DRINK! for "Democrat party gosh that Rush Lamebrain is so clever!"


You say this like drinking is a bad thing
 
2013-03-24 10:23:43 PM

Elegy: whip it out and show me, big boy.


That's what she said.
 
2013-03-24 10:26:12 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: ) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.


Also, it was never a "wing" of the DNP. That's one of the dumbest farking things I've ever read. The original KKK was founded in the Confederacy. Subsequent groups had some southern members affiliated with the DNP, which here in the south is often still fairly right wing. But leave it to a conservative to combine ignorance, stupidity and irrationality to try and argue that since, "someone affiliated with a group I don't like was racist decades ago, it should allow me to ignore people I identify with being racist right now!"
 
2013-03-24 10:28:38 PM
Silly Jesus (farkied: Jesus must indeed seem silly to this guy): Derpy derpy derrrr

Nice of you to just cut to the chase.
 
2013-03-24 10:37:45 PM
Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.
 
2013-03-24 10:44:00 PM

MeanJean: Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.

Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.


SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.
 
2013-03-24 10:46:45 PM

diaphoresis: SUCCESS! Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.


*PLONK*
 
2013-03-24 10:47:02 PM

diaphoresis: SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.


Yeah.. see.. by not being a pig ignorant racist sh*theel, where you are, he  is morally superior to you in pretty much every way.

/*plonk*
 
2013-03-24 10:49:26 PM
3 morons, 1 comment.. I really am good. Ignorance alive and well.
 
2013-03-24 10:55:13 PM
I expect a through investigation will occur, and Officer Pedro Serrano will be found guilty of illegally taping the conversation and will be fired.
 
2013-03-24 10:55:26 PM
Umm....they normally are, sorry to say LOL
 
2013-03-24 10:56:49 PM
Good.
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2013-03-24 10:57:26 PM
Maybe if we approached it more like this cop, there wouldn't be a 10 month old white baby shot in the head by 14 and 17 yo black monsters in Georgia.

Older black folk cross the street when they see black kids coming.  There's a reason.  UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE HOOD AS A WHITE PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING.
 
2013-03-24 10:58:02 PM
I'm not sure about that. Something about whistleblower protection could occur.
 
2013-03-24 11:17:53 PM

diaphoresis: MeanJean: Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.

Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.

SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.


Add me to the list. I know that the internet makes it easy to start thinking that irritating people by acting like a moron so that they stop talking to you is cool, but it's not. All it does is demonstrate that you're both an idiot and a jerk, and that you have some kind of emotional issue that causes you to actually brag about something so petty and pointless. Anyway, if you get a hormone rush because people who filter for quality are blocking you, then here's another quick fix. Enjoy!
 
2013-03-24 11:22:11 PM
4 morons.. all assuming something incorrect... let morons be morons..  might just be alts.. oh well.. add another to my fav list.
 
2013-03-24 11:23:21 PM

destardi: Older black folk cross the street when they see black kids coming.

k
One private citizen avoiding contact with another private citizen, based on race.

A representative of the government stopping someone and violating their fourth amendment rights, based on race.

Look really, really hard and maybe you can spot the difference.

UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE HOOD AS A WHITE PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING.

Well, I lived for a few years in Potrero Hill, and a few in the Western Addition, both in San Francisco and both "the hood".  And I'm white.  What I'm defending is somebody not having to deal with being hassled by the cops, day in and day out, for the color of their skin.

Maybe searching every young black male would reduce crime and save lives.  So would letting the cops bug every phone, or search any house or car at random, or executing every violent felon.  Doesn't make these morally right. I'm sure an authoritarian regime with no civil liberties could be close to crime-free.  That's what you're defending.
 
2013-03-24 11:25:06 PM

destardi: Maybe if we approached it more like this cop, there wouldn't be a 10 month old white baby shot in the head by 14 and 17 yo black monsters in Georgia.


1) The party of freedom and small government, ladies and gentlemen.

2) People have this funny way of becoming what they're expected to be, especially if they're expected to be criminals.

3) If we're going to take that approach, then why not apply it to everyone?  Young white people commit crimes, too.  Shoot, let's just lock everybody up, then there'll be no crime because no one will be free to commit crime!

4) Speaking of "shoot", proper gun control would have had the same effect.
 
2013-03-24 11:27:47 PM

MisterRonbo: Maybe searching every young black male would reduce crime and save lives.  So would letting the cops bug every phone, or search any house or car at random, or executing every violent felon.  Doesn't make these morally right. I'm sure an authoritarian regime with no civil liberties could be close to crime-free.  That's what you're defending.


Another fundamental point all the, "blacks are all criminals," racists are ignoring is this : If the police focus on one group to constantly search without cause, then isn't that going to skew crime statistics? Of course you're going to think blacks are "more criminal" if the cops focus on arresting black people. Self fulfilling prophecy, self supporting statistics, racism is always idiotic.
 
2013-03-24 11:35:09 PM

VendorXeno: diaphoresis: MeanJean: Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.

Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.

SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.

Add me to the list. I know that the internet makes it easy to start thinking that irritating people by acting like a moron so that they stop talking to you is cool, but it's not. All it does is demonstrate that you're both an idiot and a jerk, and that you have some kind of emotional issue that causes you to actually brag about something so petty and pointless. Anyway, if you get a hormone rush because people who filter for quality are blocking you, then here's another quick fix. Enjoy!


I have felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of ignore lists suddenly went *PLONK*, and another knucklehead was silenced.
 
2013-03-25 12:09:06 AM

Elegy: rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

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States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.


Interesting.  That report says (as of 2005) we have 2666 blacks incarcerated.  Are we shipping them in from somewhere else?  I didn't think we had that many in the state to begin with.

The White Mountains could use a little diversity.
 
2013-03-25 12:22:22 AM

Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?


The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.
 
2013-03-25 12:23:57 AM

chrylis: Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?

The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.


Oh Lord I'm stuck with Loci again?
 
2013-03-25 12:25:52 AM
Arthur Jumbles: ...vision questions...

FTFY.
 
2013-03-25 12:27:40 AM

Popcorn Johnny: ginkor: Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

Let me guess, white America's fault?


Actually, democrates fault. The welfare system they started stipulated that in order to receive welfare payments the father couldn't be around. So dads would leave the home for long periods of time to ensure they weren't around when the social worker came around
 
2013-03-25 12:31:36 AM

VendorXeno: Another fundamental point all the, "blacks are all criminals," racists are ignoring is this : If the police focus on one group to constantly search without cause, then isn't that going to skew crime statistics? Of course you're going to think blacks are "more criminal" if the cops focus on arresting black people. Self fulfilling prophecy, self supporting statistics, racism is always idiotic.


Add in that the people most likely to be convicted are the ones who have to rely on a public defender.  And the people who are going to risk prison by selling drugs are going to be poor, and the racists don't want to admit that the correlation between race and poverty is largely due to a history of discrimination.
 
2013-03-25 12:51:35 AM

MyRandomName: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

For all your whining, you sure haven't provided any counter evidence. S hocking.


http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/where-americas-rac ist-tweets-come-from/265006/

http://www.topalli.com/blue/

On phone, so posting the first that come up. Southern politeness is an absolute crock of shiat. This is coming from someone who has lived in MS and most of the north east. Outs there racism in NY? Of course. In fact, the NYPD is famous for it. The difference is we generally acknowledge it and get outraged when it happens, as opposed to trying to sweep racism under the rock, or acting like we can't talk about because it's impolite.
 
2013-03-25 12:52:00 AM
The truth is always the most protested.
Anyone read table FBI table 43 lately? (Racial distribution and violent crime type)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
 and the CIA factbook for racial distribution?
White ~80%
Black ~13%

Do some simple math and you see a clear correlation. (There is no argument)


Political correctness is killing this country.  It's time for people to wake up to the cold hard FACTS.
 
2013-03-25 12:59:33 AM

Lusiphur: MyRandomName: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

For all your whining, you sure haven't provided any counter evidence. S hocking.

http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/where-americas-ra c ist-tweets-come-from/265006/

http://www.topalli.com/blue/

On phone, so posting the first that come up. Southern politeness is an absolute crock of shiat. This is coming from someone who has lived in MS and most of the north east. Outs there racism in NY? Of course. In fact, the NYPD is famous for it. The difference is we generally acknowledge it and get outraged when it happens, as opposed to trying to sweep racism under the rock, or acting like we can't talk about because it's impolite.


Another one  http://www.businessinsider.com/are-southern-states-more-racist-2013-3
 
2013-03-25 01:05:10 AM

ginkor: 1 out of every 4 people who smoke will develop either cardio-pulmonary problems or cancer attributable to smoking.  So society works at a multitude of levels to get people to stop smoking.

About 1 out of every 4 black men is either in prison or probation.  Sucks to be them.

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.


That's odd, I never thought of this before...

How come we can call them illegitimate but we can't call 'em illegals when they're in the country illegally? Does calling them illegitimate have any long-term effects?
 
2013-03-25 01:07:59 AM

chrylis: The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.


Let's counter that with facts and intelligently presented ideas : "MisterRonbo:Add in that the people most likely to be convicted are the ones who have to rely on a public defender.  And the people who are going to risk prison by selling drugs are going to be poor, and the racists don't want to admit that the correlation between race and poverty is largely due to a history of discrimination."

But no, chrylis is right, if the police make it procedure to focus their attention on "black people" and then more black people end up in prison, that's all because of, "liberals." Oh, wait, no, chrylis is just a whining imbecile. 

You know, in a way this is good to see. The idiocy that is modern conservatism, rather than trying to figure out what's wrong with being dishonest bigots, are doubling down and trying to act "proud" of it. That'll help get rid of these idiots that much more quickly.
 
2013-03-25 02:15:32 AM

diaphoresis: If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


I think you mean if it weren't for long entrenched and ongoing bigotry that denies minorities the same opportunities to obtain a job that pays a living wage, crime would be cut by 67%.

Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.
 
2013-03-25 02:18:26 AM

kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.


Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.
 
2013-03-25 02:27:45 AM

diaphoresis: If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


News Flash: WW2 is over.  Your side lost.
 
2013-03-25 02:39:48 AM
I hope this whistleblower gets protection.
 
2013-03-25 03:41:21 AM
So, how many Farkers, when buying their homes, tell their RE agent, " I want to live in a more ethnically diverse neighborhood"?

Truth be told, there's something bitterely ironic about decrying racism from our entirely white neighborhoods.
 
2013-03-25 04:32:56 AM

untaken_name: kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.

Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.


I think by the time you're rating different levels of pond scum for their pond scumability, it's time to stop talking.  'Hey, at least I'm not a chomo' said no one who was ever taken seriously, ever.
 
2013-03-25 05:07:13 AM

Yaxe: So, how many Farkers, when buying their homes, tell their RE agent, " I want to live in a more ethnically diverse neighborhood"?

Truth be told, there's something bitterely ironic about decrying racism from our entirely white neighborhoods.


I live in a mixed neighborhood, and see no negatives from this.  The negative comes out of homogenous and poor neighborhoods, that develop their own counterculture. (Black, white, doesn't matter)
 
2013-03-25 06:43:32 AM
Makes sense. Bank robbers rob banks because that's where the money is. Cops go after young blacks because that's where the crime is.
 
2013-03-25 06:44:49 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: untaken_name: kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.

Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.

I think by the time you're rating different levels of pond scum for their pond scumability, it's time to stop talking.  'Hey, at least I'm not a chomo' said no one who was ever taken seriously, ever.


Um, the phrase "THE scum of the earth" is pretty exclusionary. I'm not the one trying to quantify where racists stand on the spectrum, either. That was the person I replied to. Should we treat racists the same as we do murderers? Put them in jail for life or execute them? You're equating not liking someone for a stupid reason and TAKING HUMAN LIFE, you idiot. And you want ME to stop talking? Why, am I making too much sense for you?
 
2013-03-25 07:10:43 AM
Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

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So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?
 
2013-03-25 07:23:26 AM

untaken_name: LowbrowDeluxe: untaken_name: kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.

Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.

I think by the time you're rating different levels of pond scum for their pond scumability, it's time to stop talking.  'Hey, at least I'm not a chomo' said no one who was ever taken seriously, ever.

Um, the phrase "THE scum of the earth" is pretty exclusionary. I'm not the one trying to quantify where racists stand on the spectrum, either. That was the person I replied to. Should we treat racists the same as we do murderers? Put them in jail for life or execute them? You're equating not liking someone for a stupid reason and TAKING HUMAN LIFE, you idiot. And you want ME to stop talking? Why, am I making too much sense for you?


Scum has more than one ingredient. You can lump them all together and some ingredients are nastier than others. No one said anything about taking a human life except for you.
 
2013-03-25 07:38:37 AM

dready zim: So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.


Racist, schmasist.  Randomly stopping people is un-American.  Unless there's reasonable suspicion that I'm up to no good, it is none of the government's God damned business where I'm going or what I'm doing.

"Listen, son", said the man with the gun, "there's room for you inside."

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

You don't have a problem with "a minimum number of stops *and* arrests"?
 
2013-03-25 08:32:08 AM

dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?


Why should there be a minimum number of arrests?

What would I do?  I would stop and search only those persons who gave me probable cause to do so. But then, I give a damn about the Constitution, and the rights of citizens, whereas most authoritarians do not.
I'd also not do DUI checkpoints, because I disagree with the Supreme Court ruling that there's a 4th Amendment exception for drunk driving, just like a disagree with you that there's a 4th Amendment exception for young black men.
 
2013-03-25 08:39:51 AM
Should have just said "people who look like gang bangers".  Would have accomplished the same thing.

Im not jumping on board to support racism or anything, but we dont really know enough specifics to make a judgement call here.  It could be that on that particular block almost all violent crime is perpetrated by young blacks.  They could have been working with information on specific threats or from actual local demographics.  Its hard to say.

I just think stereotyping gets a bad wrap.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

Sounds like the bigger issue here is NYPD's policy of frisking people without cause or warrant.  Attack that, and this problem goes away... and not just for one racial group.
 
2013-03-25 08:49:14 AM

Gdalescrboz: No, it's not, in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast. But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived. Shallow and intellectually lazy, but a good effort indeed, it works on a lot of people living in your neck of the woods


/was going to say "Please note this did not happen in the south"
//no need to say it, THIS says it better than I ever could
 
2013-03-25 08:57:32 AM

Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?


"Statistics" cannot be racist. How they are used is what can make them racist.
Unfortunately we have people in this country, many of them on FARK, many of them in this thread, some even using the name "Silly Jesus", who would choose to use these numbers to "prove" either the inferiority of "the other" or superiority of the group to which they believe they belong.

These people also tend to use those numbers in a vacuum... it's called "cherry-picking". Without the numbers relating to other factors in the matrix, such as high school drop out rates, under and unemployment, single parenthood, poverty, incarceration rates by police who specifically target them (as in this article), types of crimes accused of and committed by and a whole host of other social factors, any statistics which might show that one group or another is more "criminal" are meaningless.

But they will be cited anyway, with a screeching howl of "See! See! It's their fault!" and an accusatory finger waved in the general direction of the group which the amateur statistician is trying to accuse.

Like a gun, the numbers are a tool. Some people use them to plink targets in a cornfield, and some use them to shoot up an elementary school.

Yes, I answered a known troll, but it had to be said.
 
2013-03-25 09:11:43 AM

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.


Remind me again which states still require pre-clearance under section 5 of the voting rights act because of the number of times they tried to keep those uppity Negros from voting?  Is it all hillbilly redneck southern states + the equally hillbilly redneck state of Alaska?  It IS!?

You don't say...
 
2013-03-25 09:44:34 AM
Is stop and frisk unconstitutional? Yes.
Do cops do things all the time that they aren't supposed to do?
Are civil liberties so important that they should be preserved even if people commit crimes? Yes.
Do young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime? Yes.

Not sure what that makes me. A racist anti-authoritarian Libertarian realist?
 
2013-03-25 10:39:01 AM
Selective outrage is selective.

www.upl.co
 
2013-03-25 10:49:37 AM
This is Michael Bloomberg's idea. Guess what? It's working. Crime is way down in NYC and especially in the Bronx.
 
2013-03-25 10:51:29 AM

OnlyM3: Selective outrage is selective.

[www.upl.co image 428x501]


One is a current member of the Klan, (yes, in the 21st century) and the other was a member of the Klan in the 1960's who gave up on that dumb sh*t in the early 80's (over 30 years ago).
There's a difference between what someone is now and what they used to be, kind of like what the republican party used to be (pro union, anti-racist, pro-worker) and what they are now.

Selective stupidity is selective.
 
2013-03-25 10:57:15 AM
Hell yeah it's the Bronx.  In Georgia or Mississippi, it wouldn't occur to anyone to record someone saying something so ordinary.
 
2013-03-25 11:49:02 AM

OnlyM3: Selective outrage is selective.

[www.upl.co image 428x501]


DRINK!
 
2013-03-25 12:02:37 PM

martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?


No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.
 
2013-03-25 12:11:38 PM
I can't help but wonder why you think that only choice people have other than being racist is being serial killers.

That's the some farked up thinking...I can't even begin to call it logic. But just in case I didn't clarify that enough for you (that means to make things clear) I suppose I should say I'd rather that people be neither racist nor serial killers.

I think you should check out a website called "Without Sanctuary". I think you'll find that not that long, being a racist and being a serial killer were fairly synonymous. If you count today's police force, not much has changed.
 
2013-03-25 12:36:36 PM

Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.


If you don't go seek out some white men, you've lied to everyone who read the post.I'm white, so you'd be halfway there!
 
2013-03-25 12:54:43 PM
dready zim:So to the outraged, what would you do?

Spend the budget fixing the differences in culture that make 16-year-old black men so much more likely to commit a crime in the first place, rather than spending it harassing them after we already farked them up.
 
2013-03-25 01:02:05 PM
Ginkor

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

(citation needed)
 
2013-03-25 01:24:05 PM

Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.


So you're a racist too?  I like to think I'm less racist that my father and I know my daughters are less racist that me.  I believe there are varying degrees of racism that dissipate by generation.  I had no idea you were an angry black man!  :)
 
2013-03-25 02:43:47 PM
That was too easy.... for A and B the supervisor would assume he wouldn't have to tell his subordinates that.
 
2013-03-25 02:54:37 PM
The truth is always the most protested.
Anyone read table FBI table 43 lately? (Racial distribution and violent crime type)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
 and the CIA fact book for racial distribution?
White ~80% (Hispanics are lumped into the "white" demographic, so take those out and the crime percentages are even less)
Black ~13%

Do some simple math and you see a very clear correlation. (There is no argument)


Political correctness is killing this country.  It's time for people to wake up to the cold hard FACTS. Minorities cause more crime per capita.  Period, hands down, no argument. Political correctness kills rational, logical thought and makes you stupid in comparison to those who do not follow the PC Agenda.
 
2013-03-25 02:57:51 PM

MeanJean: Ginkor

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

(citation needed)


Jerry Springer
 
2013-03-25 03:22:04 PM

GoldenEggs: The truth is always the most protested.
Anyone read table FBI table 43 lately? (Racial distribution and violent crime type)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
 and the CIA fact book for racial distribution?
White ~80% (Hispanics are lumped into the "white" demographic, so take those out and the crime percentages are even less)
Black ~13%

Do some simple math and you see a very clear correlation. (There is no argument)


Political correctness is killing this country.  It's time for people to wake up to the cold hard FACTS. Minorities cause more crime per capita.  Period, hands down, no argument. Political correctness kills rational, logical thought and makes you stupid in comparison to those who do not follow the PC Agenda.


Except, is it really "minorities", or is it "poor people", who just for other reasons happen to be minorities?

Just looking at one set of numbers will hide what the real reason is behind it.

Are there numbers for these same crimes by yearly income?   Are minorities dramatically committing more crimes within that income category than their representation within that income category?
 
2013-03-25 03:26:31 PM

martid4: Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.

So you're a racist too?  I like to think I'm less racist that my father and I know my daughters are less racist that me.  I believe there are varying degrees of racism that dissipate by generation.  I had no idea you were an angry black man!  :)


You do realize that throwing an accusation of being a racist at a person who points out racism, is, in fact, a common tendency of racists?

I just thought you ought to know.

/Now I've got to find 3 white guys to lie to. Geesh.
 
2013-03-25 03:43:37 PM

dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?


Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fair. If a white dude killed him, you arrest him. If a black dude did it, you arrest him. Can you guys explain how racist cops cause this statistic ?
 
2013-03-25 03:48:15 PM

profplump: dready zim:So to the outraged, what would you do?

Spend the budget fixing the differences in culture that make 16-year-old black men so much more likely to commit a crime in the first place, rather than spending it harassing them after we already farked them up.


So you'd spend the budget limiting their first amendment rights ? Seriously their gangster rapper, screw anything that moves and then don't be a dad culture is the main problem.
 
2013-03-25 04:09:32 PM
@dletter

...and your response IS the heart of the PC agenda.  There always excuses to be made, there always distractions and tangents to be thrown to cloud the issue and distract from the argument there are always hairs to be split to take away from the FACTS.
 In the tables it says "black" and "white".  There are poor whites in there too, so your splitting hairs as far as being "poor"  is not relevant (as usual when someone programmed into the PC propaganda machine so often do). Your making distinctions is a distractive tangent (a common tactic).  The issue is race only and I addressed that and so did the tables issued by the FBI as well as the CIA factbook.

I grew up dirt poor and made something of my self, hence the name I chose on here. I have a clean record and I TOO WAS POOR. Ever think it's something in the genes? (A point proven but politically unpalatable in the scientific community)
Just look at the ONLY Continent that continues to be essentially worthless if it were not for white and yellow influence besides Antarctica?  Fact.  Time to wake up folks. PC is killing the collective conscious and filling it full of propaganda and erroneous information.

Please take the excuses elsewhere.
 
2013-03-25 04:30:08 PM

GoldenEggs: I grew up dirt poor and made something of my self, hence the name I chose on here.


Humor me here.  Did you grow up dirt poor AND surrounded by a pervasive culture of extreme violence and lawlessness supported by a distrust in civil authorities who make no secret of the fact that they will target you for no substantive reason?

Like lets apply those numbers.  Did you grow up in a neighborhood where you were 6.8 times more likely to be exposed to a murder/murderer?
 
2013-03-25 04:51:46 PM
If you're going to profile people based on appearance, I think you should start here:

www.flyteblog.com

They tend to be white, older males and they are robbing the country blind and doing a hell of a lot more damage than any young, poor, urban black male.

"They want keep us busy focusing on our differences, white, black, religion etc in order to keep the middle class fighting with the poor so they can make off with all of the farking money."- George Carlin
 
2013-03-25 05:12:48 PM

jasnotron: dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?

Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fa ...


You're talking about people.

Not a demographic. Human beings.

If you wouldn't accept this behavior for you, your family, your friends, your neighbors and people who share your ethnic background and skin color - then don't farking accept it for other people.

Half the people in this farking thread saying Stop and Frisk is ok for minorities are the same people biatching about surveillance and drones in every other thread.

What goes around comes around. When they start treating white people like shiat, who do you think they practiced and perfected their methods on first?

Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.

And so are you.
 
2013-03-25 05:54:51 PM

Hermione_Granger: Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.


Wingnuts don't think that Occupy is "decent."
 
2013-03-25 06:10:46 PM
I wasn't talking about wingnuts. I was talking about white people in the Occupy Movement.
 
2013-03-25 06:28:00 PM

Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.

So you're a racist too?  I like to think I'm less racist that my father and I know my daughters are less racist that me.  I believe there are varying degrees of racism that dissipate by generation.  I had no idea you were an angry black man!  :)

You do realize that throwing an accusation of being a racist at a person who points out racism, is, in fact, a common tendency of racists?

I just thought you ought to know.

/Now I've got to find 3 white guys to lie to. Geesh.


I questioned if you were a racist, not a statement.  I am a racist, I dislike Asians.
 
2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM

Hermione_Granger: jasnotron: dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?

Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fa ...

You're talking about people.

Not a demographic. Human beings.

If you wouldn't accept this behavior for you, your family, your friends, your neighbors and people who share your ethnic background and skin color - then don't farking accept it for other people.

Half the people in this farking thread saying Stop and Frisk is ok for minorities are the same people biatching about surveillance and drones in every other thread.

What goes around comes around. When they start treating white people like shiat, who do you think they practiced and perfected their methods on first?

Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.

And so are you.


I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.
 
2013-03-25 06:56:11 PM

untaken_name: kg2095


I think you misunderstood me. I was responding to a post that started "If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%"

I fully agree that rapists are evil and serial offenders (more than once) should be surgically castrated.
 
2013-03-25 07:14:08 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: Acharne: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

If you arrested 40 retired white women and 10 black men, the mugshot roundup would be 80% white. What exactly was YOUR point? Police arrest who they want to arrest.

Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Your phrasing is a bit awkward but essentially covers it. The police look harder at black people, and the results of that are more black arrestees. I'm not saying black people don't commit crimes, of course they do, they are people. I certainly see a bias though, and much profiling. I don't know where you live, but where I live if you are native, you get looked three times. If you're white, maybe half a glance. Cops do that shiat, you can't ignore it.


Got anything to back that up other than a hunch?

Also, if you look at something specific, like, say, murder, the stats are pretty clear.  Black males are something like 10% of the population and commit something like 70% of the murders.  Are the police just not investigating / solving all of the white murders?
 
2013-03-25 07:16:03 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.

Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.

It's not as unlikely a scenario as you might think. About the only place left one has any guaranteed 4th Amendment rights is in one's house, and to a great extent, one's business. The crimes cops arrest ANYONE for are crimes they can see. So if you smoke dope outside you get busted for it; do it at home, not so much. If people could commit bank fraud out on the street, I guess they could be arrested for it; but it's kind of tough to do. Since bank fraud or insider trading needs computers and phones and lots of paper, it has to be done inside where nobody can see it.

It's worth noting that one of the most successful counterfeiters in recent history was a black ex-gangster, who'd done time for robbery, who had a whole setup in his home in Lawndale (not the best of all LA areas). But he never got caught until the Secret Service finally tracked him down...because it was all inside. So just being black, or even a black criminal, isn't a guarantee that cops are going to be all over you.


Exactly.  One group is more likely to smoke pot in the hallway of the projects where the police are constantly present investigating murders etc.  The other group smokes in their living room where the police don't usually come around to investigate murders / assaults etc.
 
2013-03-25 07:17:28 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Silly Jesus (farkied: Jesus must indeed seem silly to this guy): Derpy derpy derrrr

Nice of you to just cut to the chase.


Are you my stalker?  I don't think I've had a true stalker before.  It's sort of flattering.

;-)

(Farkied:  Potato / Stalker?)
 
2013-03-25 07:19:28 PM

destardi: Maybe if we approached it more like this cop, there wouldn't be a 10 month old white baby shot in the head by 14 and 17 yo black monsters in Georgia.

Older black folk cross the street when they see black kids coming.  There's a reason.  UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE HOOD AS A WHITE PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING.


They won't put that story on Fark for some reason.  I know it's been submitted many times by different people and it's a pretty significant story.  I guess it's sort of the opposite of the Trayvon story so it doesn't fit the libby lib agenda of the site.
 
2013-03-25 07:24:40 PM

martid4: I questioned if you were a racist, not a statement.  I am a racist, I dislike Asians.


Lame. You're lame.


 

Silly Jesus: Got anything to back that up other than a hunch?

Also, if you look at something specific, like, say, murder, the stats are pretty clear.  Black males are something like 10% of the population and commit something like 70% of the murders.  Are the police just not investigating / solving all of the white murders?


Perhaps you missed the article and the thread that you are posting in. You also fail to understand how statistics are generated. Yes I am suggesting that a black person will get blamed for a crime a white person commited. Yes I am suggesting there is poor policework happening.

You cannot think that all the stats are based on black people committing more crimes. I'm not saying they don't either. What I am saying, and you seem quick to ignore, is that the police are using racial profiling not just too much, but to the exclusion of actual police work. Mistrust the stats as much as the police.
 
2013-03-25 07:27:08 PM

rewind2846: Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?

"Statistics" cannot be racist. How they are used is what can make them racist.
Unfortunately we have people in this country, many of them on FARK, many of them in this thread, some even using the name "Silly Jesus", who would choose to use these numbers to "prove" either the inferiority of "the other" or superiority of the group to which they believe they belong.

These people also tend to use those numbers in a vacuum... it's called "cherry-picking". Without the numbers relating to other factors in the matrix, such as high school drop out rates, under and unemployment, single parenthood, poverty, incarceration rates by police who specifically target them (as in this article), types of crimes accused of and committed by and a whole host of other social factors, any statistics which might show that one group or another is more "criminal" are meaningless.

But they will be cited anyway, with a screeching howl of "See! See! It's their fault!" and an accusatory finger waved in the general direction of the group which the amateur statistician is trying to accuse.

Like a gun, the numbers are a tool. Some people use them to plink targets in a cornfield, and some use them to shoot up an elementary school.

Yes, I answered a known troll, but it had to be said.


You could have just said that the daily black murders in Chicago etc. are the fault of whitey and patted yourself on the back.  Would have been a lot less typing.
 
2013-03-25 07:29:24 PM

profplump: dready zim:So to the outraged, what would you do?

Spend the budget fixing the differences in culture that make 16-year-old black men so much more likely to commit a crime in the first place, rather than spending it harassing them after we already farked them up.


Then you'd have to do away with liberal policies that provide a financial incentive for the father to not stick around and for the government to raise the child.  And that's a non-starter.  That would ruin the modern day plantation model that the democrats have worked so hard to cultivate.  It's done more to harm the black family unit than any republican policy has even come close to.
 
2013-03-25 07:32:28 PM

MeanJean: Ginkor

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

(citation needed)


You've really never seen that information before?

Single motherhood is the greatest predictor of future criminal activity of the children even when race / income / location etc. are controlled for...and the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.
 
2013-03-25 07:36:04 PM

profplump: dready zim:So to the outraged, what would you do?

Spend the budget fixing the differences in culture that make 16-year-old black men so much more likely to commit a crime in the first place, rather than spending it harassing them after we already farked them up.


You would do that if you were employed as a policeman?

Strange idea of the scope of the job. Sounds more like social work than police work.
 
2013-03-25 08:05:39 PM

Silly Jesus: the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.


Holy fark. Holeee fark. I've seen people out themselves as dumb and racist before, but not quite like that.

You get the 'Dumb racist' award. Hopefully you're not a fundy too, though that would totally fit.
 
2013-03-25 08:06:41 PM

Jorn the Younger: Why should there be a minimum number of arrests?

What would I do? I would stop and search only those persons who gave me probable cause to do so. But then, I give a damn about the Constitution, and the rights of citizens, whereas most authoritarians do not.
I'd also not do DUI checkpoints, because I disagree with the Supreme Court ruling that there's a 4th Amendment exception for drunk driving, just like a disagree with you that there's a 4th Amendment exception for young black men.


There are quotas, handed down from politicians through top people in the force down through to the guy on the street. These quotas are based on whatever the politicians are trying to push forward, gain support for, or appear to `fix`. They exist, it is how they show they are `doing their job`, it would be foolish to act as though they did not. This is essentially the premise of the wire season 4 I believe which was written by an ex-cop who worked in baltimore...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
(my bolding)

Lets actually look at this. It appears there is a right. The right is to be secure against unreasonable searches. This implies reasonable searches are ok, otherwise you would have the right to be secure against searches (all searches).

It could be argued that these searches are reasonable (in that there is reasoning behind them) so the 4th does not apply although I agree with you about checkpoints for DUI which are a blanket stop. The difference ironically is the profiling which makes the frisk reasoned at some point and therefore reasonable. The checkpoint is random and therefore not reasoned so not reasonable.

Often (not always) reasonable is that which can be reasoned or expected, not that which is sort of nice and accommodating.

Think reasonable doubt.
 
2013-03-25 08:13:09 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

Holy fark. Holeee fark. I've seen people out themselves as dumb and racist before, but not quite like that.

You get the 'Dumb racist' award. Hopefully you're not a fundy too, though that would totally fit.


Please explain how you arrived at your conclusion?  I've merely stated well known facts.  What do you dispute?

It's not very productive to just call those that you disagree with names.  Especially if you don't even know what you are disagreeing with.

Statistics are hard.  Durr.
 
2013-03-25 08:23:22 PM
Silly Jesus

You've really never seen that information before?

No, and I'm still waiting for a citation.

Single motherhood is the greatest predictor of future criminal activity of the children even when race / income / location etc. are controlled for...

And correlation doesn't equal causation.

and the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

Because being a single Mom on welfare is so freaking awesome, am I right?
 
2013-03-25 08:25:31 PM

GoldenEggs: Please take the excuses elsewhere.


If only people as narrowminded as you could do exactly that.
 
2013-03-25 08:29:31 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

You've really never seen that information before?

No, and I'm still waiting for a citation.


Google.  I'm on my phone.  It's been cited in similar threads many many times and is readily available if you are genuinely interested in broadening your knowledge, which I doubt.


Single motherhood is the greatest predictor of future criminal activity of the children even when race / income / location etc. are controlled for...

And correlation doesn't equal causation.


That's what "controlled for" means.  Not sure if serious.

and the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

Because being a single Mom on welfare is so freaking awesome, am I right?


There is a financial incentive to being a single mother with multiple kids.  The check keeps getting bigger.  Not saying that it's freaking awesome, but the financial incentives are set up in such a way that you get more money (even if it's still poverty level) the more irresponsible you are.  There's also a cultural component that contributes to it being OK / cool / expected / accepted to not care for your children if you are a male.
 
2013-03-25 08:32:28 PM
Silly Jesus

I wonder if its ever occurred to you that the high incarceration rate of black men (who statistically do FAR more time for the same crimes as white men) might maybe gee golly gosh have something to do with it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the draconian sentences imposed by the War on Drugs (which disproportionately target minorities) are the real problem?

Maybe you should stop scapegoating black people as being a bunch of mooches and calling for social programs to be undercut and look at the problems of institutionalized racism in our prison system?

Or is wrapping your brain around that too hard?
 
2013-03-25 08:35:37 PM
Silly Jesus
That's what "controlled for" means.

And the sale of ice cream increases in the summer, and so do drownings. Even when race/income/location is controlled for! That must mean that ice cream causes drownings!
 
2013-03-25 08:37:27 PM

Silly Jesus: Acharne: Silly Jesus: the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

Holy fark. Holeee fark. I've seen people out themselves as dumb and racist before, but not quite like that.

You get the 'Dumb racist' award. Hopefully you're not a fundy too, though that would totally fit.

Please explain how you arrived at your conclusion?  I've merely stated well known facts.  What do you dispute?

It's not very productive to just call those that you disagree with names.  Especially if you don't even know what you are disagreeing with.

Statistics are hard.  Durr.


Using statistics generated by racists to prove racism is the lowest of low hanging fruit. I don't think I'll make a point you'll appreciate, let's end this now.  You stop assuming young black men are bad, and you'll stop helping to socialise them negatively. Try that.
 
2013-03-25 08:38:41 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus
That's what "controlled for" means.

And the sale of ice cream increases in the summer, and so do drownings. Even when race/income/location is controlled for! That must mean that ice cream causes drownings!


LOL  You must be a statistician.
 
2013-03-25 08:39:19 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: Acharne: Silly Jesus: the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

Holy fark. Holeee fark. I've seen people out themselves as dumb and racist before, but not quite like that.

You get the 'Dumb racist' award. Hopefully you're not a fundy too, though that would totally fit.

Please explain how you arrived at your conclusion?  I've merely stated well known facts.  What do you dispute?

It's not very productive to just call those that you disagree with names.  Especially if you don't even know what you are disagreeing with.

Statistics are hard.  Durr.

Using statistics generated by racists to prove racism is the lowest of low hanging fruit. I don't think I'll make a point you'll appreciate, let's end this now.  You stop assuming young black men are bad, and you'll stop helping to socialise them negatively. Try that.


FBI crime statistics are racist and made by racists.  Whargarbll.
 
2013-03-25 08:39:20 PM
Silly Jesus

One group is more likely to smoke pot in the hallway of the projects where the police are constantly present investigating murders etc.  The other group smokes in their living room where the police don't usually come around to investigate murders / assaults etc.

Did it ever occur to you that black people get busted for pot more since they are more likely to be stopped and frisked, not necessarily because they're all as stupid as you make them out to be?
 
2013-03-25 08:42:02 PM
Silly Jesus

LOL  You must be a statistician.

No, but I did take a couple courses in it at liberal indoctrination camp college  where I did all that fancy book-learnin'.
 
2013-03-25 08:44:34 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

I wonder if its ever occurred to you that the high incarceration rate of black men (who statistically do FAR more time for the same crimes as white men) might maybe gee golly gosh have something to do with it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the draconian sentences imposed by the War on Drugs (which disproportionately target minorities) are the real problem?

Maybe you should stop scapegoating black people as being a bunch of mooches and calling for social programs to be undercut and look at the problems of institutionalized racism in our prison system?

Or is wrapping your brain around that too hard?


You explain to me how it's societies fault that 70% of the murders are committed by less than 10% of the population first.

The differential sentencing is a bad thing.  I agree.  Some of the studies that I've seen on that though don't account for prior convictions impacting later sentences.  And minorities are much more likely to have prior convictions.  Otherwise, the sentences should obviously be equal if race is the only difference.

The culture in these communities needs to change.  That's where the problem originates.  It needs to stop being OK to punish a kid for succeeding at school.  It needs to stop being OK to not raise your children.  It needs to stop being OK to encourage antisocial and criminal behavior.  Sure, there's institutional racism all through society, but there are also some serious problems within black culture that need to be addressed, but they can't be because anyone who brings them up is instantly called a racist by people of your ilk because there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the people committing all of these crimes, it must all be the fault of someone else.

The fault is shared, and it's not racist to comprehend that.
 
2013-03-25 08:45:42 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

I wonder if its ever occurred to you that the high incarceration rate of black men (who statistically do FAR more time for the same crimes as white men) might maybe gee golly gosh have something to do with it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the draconian sentences imposed by the War on Drugs (which disproportionately target minorities) are the real problem?

Maybe you should stop scapegoating black people as being a bunch of mooches and calling for social programs to be undercut and look at the problems of institutionalized racism in our prison system?

Or is wrapping your brain around that too hard?


This. I don't think he realises that if you treat 'a people' like shiat, that is affects behaviour. There are no black people where I live, here it the police are always on about 'Native crime'. The same natives we don't give jobs too, barely educated and treat like drunks and criminals. if one were to take all the statistics, one could develop your own bullshiat model that Natives are 'less intelligent, more prone to crime'.  This is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. People like SillyJesus just will never understand that. They'll hide behind statistical racism and declare themselves to be 'thinking people'. It's almost useless to engage them in debate. They think what they use is 'facts' and fail to ascertain how those 'facts' were forumulated.

Dumb, and racist. Simple as that. Dumb and racist.
 
2013-03-25 08:46:58 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

One group is more likely to smoke pot in the hallway of the projects where the police are constantly present investigating murders etc.  The other group smokes in their living room where the police don't usually come around to investigate murders / assaults etc.

Did it ever occur to you that black people get busted for pot more since they are more likely to be stopped and frisked, not necessarily because they're all as stupid as you make them out to be?


I made them out to be stupid?

Sure, that contributes to it some, but it's also a difference of where the activity is performed.
 
2013-03-25 08:47:22 PM
Silly Jesus

Oh look I found statistics too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-Amer ic an_males#The_leading_causes_of_incarceration_for_African_American_male s


The leading cause of incarceration of an African American male is a non-violent  drug offense
Between 1985 and 1995 the American prison population of drug offenders increased from 38,900 to 224,900 with African American males at the top


http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%

5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites

Now why is that, Silly Jesus?
 
2013-03-25 08:47:32 PM

Silly Jesus: The culture in these communities needs to change.  That's where the problem originates.  It needs to stop being OK to punish a kid for succeeding at school.  It needs to stop being OK to not raise your children.  It needs to stop being OK to encourage antisocial and criminal behavior.  Sure, there's institutional racism all through society, but there are also some serious problems within black culture that need to be addressed, but they can't be because anyone who brings them up is instantly called a racist by people of your ilk because there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the people committing all of these crimes, it must all be the fault of someone else.

The fault is shared, and it's not racist to comprehend that.


This was shocking to read. Shocking. Turns out you DO understand some of the problem! This is progress.

Seriously, no sarcasm, you've been a mouthbreathing racist twat in this thread until that statement right there. Good for you. It is the point I keep making.
 
2013-03-25 08:47:37 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

LOL  You must be a statistician.

No, but I did take a couple courses in it at liberal indoctrination camp college  where I did all that fancy book-learnin'.


Ditto.  I guess we had different books for Statistics 101 or something.
 
2013-03-25 08:49:19 PM

Acharne: MeanJean: Silly Jesus

I wonder if its ever occurred to you that the high incarceration rate of black men (who statistically do FAR more time for the same crimes as white men) might maybe gee golly gosh have something to do with it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the draconian sentences imposed by the War on Drugs (which disproportionately target minorities) are the real problem?

Maybe you should stop scapegoating black people as being a bunch of mooches and calling for social programs to be undercut and look at the problems of institutionalized racism in our prison system?

Or is wrapping your brain around that too hard?

This. I don't think he realises that if you treat 'a people' like shiat, that is affects behaviour. There are no black people where I live, here it the police are always on about 'Native crime'. The same natives we don't give jobs too, barely educated and treat like drunks and criminals. if one were to take all the statistics, one could develop your own bullshiat model that Natives are 'less intelligent, more prone to crime'.  This is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. People like SillyJesus just will never understand that. They'll hide behind statistical racism and declare themselves to be 'thinking people'. It's almost useless to engage them in debate. They think what they use is 'facts' and fail to ascertain how those 'facts' were forumulated.

Dumb, and racist. Simple as that. Dumb and racist.


Not even sure where to start with that drivel....

Blame whitey!  No personal responsibility! would have been shorter.
 
2013-03-25 08:52:43 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

Oh look I found statistics too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-Amer ic an_males#The_leading_causes_of_incarceration_for_African_American_male s


The leading cause of incarceration of an African American male is a non-violent  drug offense
Between 1985 and 1995 the American prison population of drug offenders increased from 38,900 to 224,900 with African American males at the top

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%

5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites

Now why is that, Silly Jesus?


Again, there is less reason for the cops to be in my gated community than there is for them to be in the projects on the outskirts of downtown.  If you listen to the scanner they are called there constantly over reports of gun shots, thefts, gambling in the stairwell complaints etc. etc.  If my neighbor is smoking pot in his living room and there are no calls of gunshots ringing out or assaults, the police are much less likely to stumble into his living room and find him smoking pot.  On the other hand, while they are investigating the gun shots for the third time of the night they are fairly likely to stumble upon the guy smoking pot in the stairwell of the projects.

How is that so incredibly hard to understand?
 
2013-03-25 08:54:23 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: The culture in these communities needs to change.  That's where the problem originates.  It needs to stop being OK to punish a kid for succeeding at school.  It needs to stop being OK to not raise your children.  It needs to stop being OK to encourage antisocial and criminal behavior.  Sure, there's institutional racism all through society, but there are also some serious problems within black culture that need to be addressed, but they can't be because anyone who brings them up is instantly called a racist by people of your ilk because there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the people committing all of these crimes, it must all be the fault of someone else.

The fault is shared, and it's not racist to comprehend that.

This was shocking to read. Shocking. Turns out you DO understand some of the problem! This is progress.

Seriously, no sarcasm, you've been a mouthbreathing racist twat in this thread until that statement right there. Good for you. It is the point I keep making.


Your definition of racist is lacking a basis in reality.  Remember, after 3rd grade it no longer works to just call those that you disagree with names, even if you are just trying to make up for your intellectual inferiority.  It makes you look too desperate.
 
2013-03-25 08:55:00 PM
Silly Jesus

The differential sentencing is a bad thing.  I agree.  Some of the studies that I've seen on that though don't account for prior convictions impacting later sentences.  And minorities are much more likely to have prior convictions.  Otherwise, the sentences should obviously be equal if race is the only difference.

The culture in these communities needs to change.  That's where the problem originates.  It needs to stop being OK to punish a kid for succeeding at school.  It needs to stop being OK to not raise your children.  It needs to stop being OK to encourage antisocial and criminal behavior.  Sure, there's institutional racism all through society, but there are also some serious problems within black culture that need to be addressed, but they can't be because anyone who brings them up is instantly called a racist by people of your ilk because there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the people committing all of these crimes, it must all be the fault of someone else.

The fault is shared, and it's not racist to comprehend that.


That's swell and all, Silly Jesus, but why do you emphasize the culture of the communities over institutionalized racism? Why do you condone stopping and frisking minorities more often than whites, as per your Weeners:

When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?

Why is that, Silly Jesus? Why is yourimmediate reaction to blast black people for their supposed moral failings and ignore the overarching effects of the the institutionalized racism in the criminal justice system and only grudgingly concede to that point when myself and other posters call you out?For someone who claims to care about the good of society, you seem mighty selective the parts you criticize.
 
2013-03-25 09:01:38 PM
Silly Jesus


If you listen to the scanner they are called there constantly over reports of gun shots, thefts, gambling in the stairwell complaints etc. etc.  If my neighbor is smoking pot in his living room and there are no calls of gunshots ringing out or assaults, the police are much less likely to stumble into his living room and find him smoking pot.  On the other hand, while they are investigating the gun shots for the third time of the night they are fairly likely to stumble upon the guy smoking pot in the stairwell of the projects.

Therefore that justifies unconstitutional stop and frisk of young black men who did absolutely nothing to garner suspicion? Your own logic shows that they should probably be targeting whites as well, and yet they don't, and you sit there and tell me that statistics show that blacks should be frisked. You. Make. No. Sense.
 
2013-03-25 09:03:06 PM
I can't believe that fark automatically wrote weeners in when I put down the words Boobies.
 
2013-03-25 09:03:23 PM

Silly Jesus: Your definition of racist is lacking a basis in reality.  Remember, after 3rd grade it no longer works to just call those that you disagree with names, even if you are just trying to make up for your intellectual inferiority.  It makes you look too desperate.


The fact is, that last comment I complimented you on was not racist. It was on point, valid and fair. It's the rest of the time you condone implying black people are genetically determined to have lower socio-economic factors that I will challenge and call racist. Since I find racism dumb, and racists quick to use dumb reasons to be racist, you got called a dumb racist. I'm not taking it back.

You should keep elaborating on the good point about this not being somethign we 'blame' black people for. We need to blame society. Call that pat all you want, it's true. We socialise people. We have responsibility. You did a 180º suggesting that was part of the problem, as prior to that you were defending profiling. You still are. I get why, that it's silly to have 50 cops in Bel Air and 50 in Harlem when more crime is happening in Harlem. That fine. However, there are real problems caused by profiling that we are talking about here, and you sounds like you are justifying it based on racist statistics, not because you want people to believe that the real issue is about culture, which it.

So, lesson learned, if you do not want to be called a Dumb Racist, don't act like one. Apparently it is within you, just try a little harder.
 
2013-03-25 09:03:56 PM
^Seriously Fark? That wasn't even in the preview.
 
2013-03-25 09:04:51 PM

MeanJean: That's swell and all, Silly Jesus, but why do you emphasize the culture of the communities over institutionalized racism? Why do you condone stopping and frisking minorities more often than whites, as per your Weeners:


Why do you emphasize institutionalized racism over culture?  It seems that we both agree that both factors contribute to the problem, we only differ on the degree to which each is a factor.  Institutionalized racism has been directed toward many other groups in our society and those communities have somehow overcome it.  I simply think that the lack of the ability to overcome it stems largely from a broken culture.  You seem to just think it's mostly the fault of whitey.

As far as the stop and frisk, I have some constitutional problems with it as a practice, but if it's going to be practiced anyway, it only makes sense to use statistics and play the odds.  It's similar to airport security.  Remember when the TSA put on a show of stopping and searching Senators to make sure they weren't terrorists?  That's asinine.  With limited resources, it makes sense to direct those resources toward an area that is more likely statistically to generate results.  If a big group of middle easterners in their mid 20's hijack a plane, it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to prevent future attacks by searching wheelchair bound 3 year old Caucasian girls being pushed by their grandmother.  Wouldn't you agree?  Same goes for crime on the streets.  Looking at the girl is just for show and everyone knows it, even you.  It's a feel good measure and it's a waste of time and asinine...all based on emotions.MeanJean:

Why is that, Silly Jesus? Why is yourimmediate reaction to blast black people for their supposed moral failings and ignore the overarching effects of the the institutionalized racism in the criminal justice system and only grudgingly concede to that point when myself and other posters call you out?For someone who claims to care about the good of society, you seem mighty selective the parts you criticize.

Again, I think that we both agree that both things contribute, we only disagree about the ratio.  Looking at other groups that have succeeded despite seemingly insurmountable odds of discrimination, I am prone to look within the group that is failing to succeed for clues as to why.
 
2013-03-25 09:07:12 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus


If you listen to the scanner they are called there constantly over reports of gun shots, thefts, gambling in the stairwell complaints etc. etc.  If my neighbor is smoking pot in his living room and there are no calls of gunshots ringing out or assaults, the police are much less likely to stumble into his living room and find him smoking pot.  On the other hand, while they are investigating the gun shots for the third time of the night they are fairly likely to stumble upon the guy smoking pot in the stairwell of the projects.

Therefore that justifies unconstitutional stop and frisk of young black men who did absolutely nothing to garner suspicion? Your own logic shows that they should probably be targeting whites as well, and yet they don't, and you sit there and tell me that statistics show that blacks should be frisked. You. Make. No. Sense.


LOL wut?

In another post I address the constitutionality issue,  but you totally glossed over my point and explanation and jumped to some unrelated nonsense.

Does that not make sense that the police don't stumble upon people smoking pot when they aren't in a random white guy's house in a gated neighborhood but spend 75% of their time dealing with nonsense in the projects?
 
2013-03-25 09:11:13 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: Your definition of racist is lacking a basis in reality.  Remember, after 3rd grade it no longer works to just call those that you disagree with names, even if you are just trying to make up for your intellectual inferiority.  It makes you look too desperate.

The fact is, that last comment I complimented you on was not racist. It was on point, valid and fair. It's the rest of the time you condone implying black people are genetically determined to have lower socio-economic factors that I will challenge and call racist. Since I find racism dumb, and racists quick to use dumb reasons to be racist, you got called a dumb racist. I'm not taking it back.


Liar.  Please back up this assertion.  You can't, because I never said anything of the sort.  I never mentioned genetics or implied it.  I spoke of culture, which is not genetic.  You jump to that argument because it's your only defense mechanism against any opposing viewpoint.  It's a safe harbor to call your opponent a racist rather than to address what they are saying.


You should keep elaborating on the good point about this not being somethign we 'blame' black people for. We need to blame society. Call that pat all you want, it's true. We socialise people. We have responsibility. You did a 180º suggesting that was part of the problem, as prior to that you were defending profiling. You still are. I get why, that it's silly to have 50 cops in Bel Air and 50 in Harlem when more crime is happening in Harlem. That fine. However, there are real problems caused by profiling that we are talking about here, and you sounds like you are justifying it based on racist statistics, not because you want people to believe that the real issue is about culture, which it.

So, lesson learned, if you do not want to be called a Dumb Racist, don't act like one. Apparently it is within you, just try a little harder.


I'm still waiting on an explanation for how the FBI crime statistics are racist...
 
2013-03-25 09:15:33 PM

Silly Jesus: Acharne: Silly Jesus: Your definition of racist is lacking a basis in reality.  Remember, after 3rd grade it no longer works to just call those that you disagree with names, even if you are just trying to make up for your intellectual inferiority.  It makes you look too desperate.

The fact is, that last comment I complimented you on was not racist. It was on point, valid and fair. It's the rest of the time you condone implying black people are genetically determined to have lower socio-economic factors that I will challenge and call racist. Since I find racism dumb, and racists quick to use dumb reasons to be racist, you got called a dumb racist. I'm not taking it back.

Liar.  Please back up this assertion.  You can't, because I never said anything of the sort.  I never mentioned genetics or implied it.  I spoke of culture, which is not genetic.  You jump to that argument because it's your only defense mechanism against any opposing viewpoint.  It's a safe harbor to call your opponent a racist rather than to address what they are saying.


You should keep elaborating on the good point about this not being somethign we 'blame' black people for. We need to blame society. Call that pat all you want, it's true. We socialise people. We have responsibility. You did a 180º suggesting that was part of the problem, as prior to that you were defending profiling. You still are. I get why, that it's silly to have 50 cops in Bel Air and 50 in Harlem when more crime is happening in Harlem. That fine. However, there are real problems caused by profiling that we are talking about here, and you sounds like you are justifying it based on racist statistics, not because you want people to believe that the real issue is about culture, which it.

So, lesson learned, if you do not want to be called a Dumb Racist, don't act like one. Apparently it is within you, just try a little harder.

I'm still waiting on an explanation for how the FBI crime statistics are racist...


K. We're done. Bye.
 
2013-03-25 09:16:33 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: Acharne: Silly Jesus: Your definition of racist is lacking a basis in reality.  Remember, after 3rd grade it no longer works to just call those that you disagree with names, even if you are just trying to make up for your intellectual inferiority.  It makes you look too desperate.

The fact is, that last comment I complimented you on was not racist. It was on point, valid and fair. It's the rest of the time you condone implying black people are genetically determined to have lower socio-economic factors that I will challenge and call racist. Since I find racism dumb, and racists quick to use dumb reasons to be racist, you got called a dumb racist. I'm not taking it back.

Liar.  Please back up this assertion.  You can't, because I never said anything of the sort.  I never mentioned genetics or implied it.  I spoke of culture, which is not genetic.  You jump to that argument because it's your only defense mechanism against any opposing viewpoint.  It's a safe harbor to call your opponent a racist rather than to address what they are saying.


You should keep elaborating on the good point about this not being somethign we 'blame' black people for. We need to blame society. Call that pat all you want, it's true. We socialise people. We have responsibility. You did a 180º suggesting that was part of the problem, as prior to that you were defending profiling. You still are. I get why, that it's silly to have 50 cops in Bel Air and 50 in Harlem when more crime is happening in Harlem. That fine. However, there are real problems caused by profiling that we are talking about here, and you sounds like you are justifying it based on racist statistics, not because you want people to believe that the real issue is about culture, which it.

So, lesson learned, if you do not want to be called a Dumb Racist, don't act like one. Apparently it is within you, just try a little harder.

I'm still waiting on an explanation for how the FBI crime statistics are racist...

K. ...


So you're shown to be a liar and you flee?  Niiiice.
 
2013-03-25 09:21:56 PM

Silly Jesus: So you're shown to be a liar and you flee?  Niiiice.


I am not a liar. It turns out you do not want to have an adult conversation, it's too bad, you were coming around and we were finding common ground.

But, turns out you had no interest and called me a liar, so, I'm done with you. I'm at work, I have spent far too much time on this thread already, and now I've got a guy calling me a liar who just a short time ago was all hoppin' mad at me for calling you a racist, and explaining your racism.

We almost had something.
 
2013-03-25 09:28:32 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: So you're shown to be a liar and you flee?  Niiiice.

I am not a liar. It turns out you do not want to have an adult conversation, it's too bad, you were coming around and we were finding common ground.

But, turns out you had no interest and called me a liar, so, I'm done with you. I'm at work, I have spent far too much time on this thread already, and now I've got a guy calling me a liar who just a short time ago was all hoppin' mad at me for calling you a racist, and explaining your racism.

We almost had something.


You lied and it can be demonstrated by simply looking through the thread.  I never said the inflammatory thing that you claimed that I said, and you know it, otherwise you could easily quote it.  You were losing the argument so you made up a racist comment and attributed it to me, and when I called you on it, you were suddenly too busy to carry on the conversation.

Not shocking that someone with your views would be so spineless and resort to such tactics and then run away.
 
2013-03-25 09:39:48 PM
Silly Jesus

In another post I address the constitutionality issue,  but you totally glossed over my point and explanation and jumped to some unrelated nonsense.

Fair enough. Kindly reiterate why targeting black people is justified. I'd normally use the search function to locate the post but your screen name appears well over a hundred times in this thread, so I don't feel like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Why do you emphasize institutionalized racism over culture?

Why do I emphasize institutionalized racism over culture? Because I don't believe that black people are anywhere near as stupid, short-sighted, and selfish as you like to make them out to be.  But hey, maybe that's because I'm not a racist.

It seems that we both agree that both factors contribute to the problem, we only differ on the degree to which each is a factor.  Institutionalized racism has been directed toward many other groups in our society and those communities have somehow overcome it.  I simply think that the lack of the ability to overcome it stems largely from a broken culture.

And that is because you're an overprivileged white guy who has never had to deal with institutionalized racism firsthand and would much rather place all the burden on the most powerless, marginalized people in society then (heaven forbid) raise a finger to make the tiniest difference by critically examining  institutions.

I really find it hard to believe that a guy who lives in a gated community knows anything about what blacks in the projects experience in their day to day lives. You know about as much about the day to day life of the average black person as a dolphin knows about mountain climbing.

You're selfish, and you are trying to justify your selfishness and lack of concern with the burdens of the poor and minorities with a smokescreen of steaming, self-serving, smug  bullshiat.
 
2013-03-25 09:40:34 PM

Silly Jesus: Acharne: Silly Jesus: So you're shown to be a liar and you flee?  Niiiice.

I am not a liar. It turns out you do not want to have an adult conversation, it's too bad, you were coming around and we were finding common ground.

But, turns out you had no interest and called me a liar, so, I'm done with you. I'm at work, I have spent far too much time on this thread already, and now I've got a guy calling me a liar who just a short time ago was all hoppin' mad at me for calling you a racist, and explaining your racism.

We almost had something.

You lied and it can be demonstrated by simply looking through the thread.  I never said the inflammatory thing that you claimed that I said, and you know it, otherwise you could easily quote it.  You were losing the argument so you made up a racist comment and attributed it to me, and when I called you on it, you were suddenly too busy to carry on the conversation.

Not shocking that someone with your views would be so spineless and resort to such tactics and then run away.


Your Boobies in the thread had 'libby libs'. You then went on to justify the FBI stats as 'totally accurate and totally not biased' and then argued that it is about culture. I think much of those statistics gets used by racists to justify racism. You did it here, don't pretend you didn't. You actually *do* understand this stuff, but you're too goddamn up on a high horse to have a real conversation. I should have known right there I was not dealing with someone worth the time of day. I was not losing the argument, but if you want to 'declare yourself the winner', I cannot stop you. I see you can handle calling others names but cannot take being called a racist. It makes you defensive and frankly, apparently, it makes you smarter since your posts begin to take on a positive narrative.

Frankly, we both failed here. It's not about calling people names that I don't agree with. I called racists racist, and I disagrees with racism. I never lied, I *do* have time to debate you but I'm realising it is fruitless, you do not care, not one witeless moment to actually talk about the issues. You want to assume people are 'libby libs' and don't match whatever agenda you might have. Me calling you a racist derailed any valid point I have for you, as you didn't read it. You went to high horsing about elementary school, then called me a liar.

Like I said, we both failed here. A complete waste of time.
 
2013-03-25 10:41:03 PM
Silly Jesus (farkied: Jesus must indeed seem silly to this guy): Single motherhood is the greatest predictor of future criminal activity of the children even when race / income / location etc. are controlled for...and the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!
 
2013-03-26 03:05:08 AM

jasnotron: So you'd spend the budget limiting their first amendment rights ? Seriously their gangster rapper, screw anything that moves and then don't be a dad culture is the main problem.


"Their" culture? Did you give up your US citizenship? Because I'm pretty sure "their" culture is also "your" culture -- and therefore also your responsibility to fix. Outgrouping people and then blaming them for your problems is not a valid solution for any social problem.
 
2013-03-26 03:17:05 AM

GoldenEggs: Minorities cause more crime per capita.


Besides being wrong -- the statistics you link do not support that claim -- you might want to check your assumptions against the way we treat the "politically correct" group of women vs. those same violent crime arrest statistics. The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men; do your claims of "politically correct" willful blindness hold up when applied to men vs. women? If not, what's so special about the combination of race and political correctness that make your claim true in that case?
 
2013-03-26 03:22:13 AM

dready zim: You would do that if you were employed as a policeman?

Strange idea of the scope of the job. Sounds more like social work than police work.


Neither is managing a budget in the first place. But so long as we're ignoring the context of my reply I guess that's not important.

More importantly, I don't understand why you want to distinguish so clearly between police work and social work. Isn't the primary duty of a police officer to maintain social order? Don't we want the police to be a force for good in the community?
 
2013-03-26 03:28:46 AM

Silly Jesus: Then you'd have to do away with liberal policies that provide a financial incentive for the father to not stick around and for the government to raise the child.  And that's a non-starter.  That would ruin the modern day plantation model that the democrats have worked so hard to cultivate.  It's done more to harm the black family unit than any republican policy has even come close to.


Exactly what policy are you referring to that only applies to blacks? Because last time I checked the same incentives would be equally available to whites. Which makes it an unlikely cause for the problem you describe. Did I miss a black-only incentive program to destroy families?

Also I think families should be eliminated as method for childrearing in the first place, so I'd fully support a plan that ends all incentives related to any sort of family behavior. If you want to talk non-starter, tell people about your plan to take away their "right" to control "their" children -- economic policy changes, even those related to political power, are cakewalk in comparison.
 
2013-03-26 10:31:07 AM

profplump: jasnotron: So you'd spend the budget limiting their first amendment rights ? Seriously their gangster rapper, screw anything that moves and then don't be a dad culture is the main problem.

"Their" culture? Did you give up your US citizenship? Because I'm pretty sure "their" culture is also "your" culture -- and therefore also your responsibility to fix. Outgrouping people and then blaming them for your problems is not a valid solution for any social problem.


Do you share a culture with a West Virignian coal mining family ? Urban culture is different than an Alaskan family that lives out in this the wilderness. Dont be obtuse and try to claim all Americans have the same culture.
 
2013-03-26 01:39:34 PM
jasnotron            2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM  
    
I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.


No it's not. That is blatantly wrong. Profiling is a very bad way to police any community and does not work.

We need to stop calling it "profiling" and "stop and frisk" and just call it what it is: Jim Crow. It's not the new Jim Crow. It's the same old "we will treat you differently based on your skin color" Jim Crow.

It was wrong in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900"s and it's wrong now. And may I remind you, it doesn't work. It only makes law abiding people, who would turn in the criminal elements or be more helpful to the police, distrustful and with good reason.

This system does not work.
It is not good policing.
It's just plain racist and wrong.
 
2013-03-26 01:47:40 PM

Hermione_Granger: jasnotron            2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM  
    
I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.

No it's not. That is blatantly wrong. Profiling is a very bad way to police any community and does not work.

We need to stop calling it "profiling" and "stop and frisk" and just call it what it is: Jim Crow. It's not the new Jim Crow. It's the same old "we will treat you differently based on your skin color" Jim Crow.

It was wrong in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900"s and it's wrong now. And may I remind you, it doesn't work. It only makes law abiding people, who would turn in the criminal elements or be more helpful to the police, distrustful and with good reason.

This system does not work.
It is not good policing.
It's just plain racist and wrong.


"Profiling" in your case is just stopping people because they fit a "description", for no reason other than to stop them.

Some people might also say "profiling" is like if there was a witness to a murder who said the person they saw was a "Black male around 5' 11"".... does that mean that them stopping black males around 5' 11" in the area of the crime is "profiling", any more than doing the same thing if they saw a 6' 4" white guy and stopping all of them?

But, you could just always have an "open case" with various descriptions you want to "profile", and then you are given your reason to "stop" people.  So, that delineation doesn't even really help if someone is determined to "profile" in general.
 
2013-03-26 01:52:19 PM

MeanJean: Fair enough. Kindly reiterate why targeting black people is justified. I'd normally use the search function to locate the post but your screen name appears well over a hundred times in this thread, so I don't feel like searching for a needle in a haystack.


I was referring to my answer for why more blacks are arrested for smoking pot.  The police don't get called to, for example, my gated neighborhood and go inside to see my neighbor smoking in the living room.  They do, however, respond to the projects on the outskirts of downtown about every 30 minutes (police scanners are interesting) on many nights to investigate gun shots, thefts, robberies, gambling in the breezeway etc.  When they are walking around trying to figure out where the gunshots that someone heard came from they often stumble upon someone in the stairwell smoking pot.  Ta-da!  Racist arrest!  Racist arrest!

Why do I emphasize institutionalized racism over culture? Because I don't believe that black people are anywhere near as stupid, short-sighted, and selfish as you like to make them out to be. But hey, maybe that's because I'm not a racist.

You're resorting to the tactics of the proven liar in this thread.  I didn't make those assertions at any point.  When your argument is weak just call the other person a racist and you win, right?

Again, single motherhood is the biggest cultural issue here.  It's 70%.  That's huge.  It's connected to the future criminality of the children raised in that environment.  What institutionalized racism causes 70% of black mothers to be unwed?

MeanJean: And that is because you're an overprivileged white guy who has never had to deal with institutionalized racism firsthand and would much rather place all the burden on the most powerless, marginalized people in society then (heaven forbid) raise a finger to make the tiniest difference by critically examining institutions.

I really find it hard to believe that a guy who lives in a gated community knows anything about what blacks in the projects experience in their day to day lives. You know about as much about the day to day life of the average black person as a dolphin knows about mountain climbing.

You're selfish, and you are trying to justify your selfishness and lack of concern with the burdens of the poor and minorities with a smokescreen of steaming, self-serving, smug bullshiat.


Lots of assumptions (wrong ones), name calling, and rambling.  Not sure what you were trying to say here other than "whitey is evil, feel sorry for everyone else and their awful plight."
 
2013-03-26 01:54:10 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: Acharne: Silly Jesus: So you're shown to be a liar and you flee?  Niiiice.

I am not a liar. It turns out you do not want to have an adult conversation, it's too bad, you were coming around and we were finding common ground.

But, turns out you had no interest and called me a liar, so, I'm done with you. I'm at work, I have spent far too much time on this thread already, and now I've got a guy calling me a liar who just a short time ago was all hoppin' mad at me for calling you a racist, and explaining your racism.

We almost had something.

You lied and it can be demonstrated by simply looking through the thread.  I never said the inflammatory thing that you claimed that I said, and you know it, otherwise you could easily quote it.  You were losing the argument so you made up a racist comment and attributed it to me, and when I called you on it, you were suddenly too busy to carry on the conversation.

Not shocking that someone with your views would be so spineless and resort to such tactics and then run away.

Your Boobies in the thread had 'libby libs'. You then went on to justify the FBI stats as 'totally accurate and totally not biased' and then argued that it is about culture. I think much of those statistics gets used by racists to justify racism. You did it here, don't pretend you didn't. You actually *do* understand this stuff, but you're too goddamn up on a high horse to have a real conversation. I should have known right there I was not dealing with someone worth the time of day. I was not losing the argument, but if you want to 'declare yourself the winner', I cannot stop you. I see you can handle calling others names but cannot take being called a racist. It makes you defensive and frankly, apparently, it makes you smarter since your posts begin to take on a positive narrative.

Frankly, we both failed here. It's not about calling people names that I don't agree with. I called racists racist, and I disagrees with racism. I never lied, I *do ...


Thanks for the apology for making up lies about me and attempting to impugn my character.  Apology accepted.
 
2013-03-26 01:55:05 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Silly Jesus (farkied: Jesus must indeed seem silly to this guy): Single motherhood is the greatest predictor of future criminal activity of the children even when race / income / location etc. are controlled for...and the democratic plantation has made it attractive for 70% of black mothers to be single.

DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!


The crime rate actually dropped drastically about 15 years after abortions were legalized.
 
2013-03-26 02:00:20 PM

profplump: Silly Jesus: Then you'd have to do away with liberal policies that provide a financial incentive for the father to not stick around and for the government to raise the child.  And that's a non-starter.  That would ruin the modern day plantation model that the democrats have worked so hard to cultivate.  It's done more to harm the black family unit than any republican policy has even come close to.

Exactly what policy are you referring to that only applies to blacks? Because last time I checked the same incentives would be equally available to whites. Which makes it an unlikely cause for the problem you describe. Did I miss a black-only incentive program to destroy families?

Also I think families should be eliminated as method for childrearing in the first place, so I'd fully support a plan that ends all incentives related to any sort of family behavior. If you want to talk non-starter, tell people about your plan to take away their "right" to control "their" children -- economic policy changes, even those related to political power, are cakewalk in comparison.


Read this for starters...

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2011/10/06/polici es -of-left-often-hurt-blacks.html

Minimum wage laws, urban renewal, minority home ownership programs etc. are just a few of the liberal programs that end up harming blacks disproportionately.
 
2013-03-26 02:44:13 PM

Silly Jesus: Thanks for the apology for making up lies about me and attempting to impugn my character.  Apology accepted.


You sound twelve.
 
2013-03-26 02:48:47 PM
Silly Jesus

What institutionalized racism causes 70% of black mothers to be unwed?

Its kinda hard to raise kids with a father if the father has been put in jail by a system that gives him a far longer sentence than his white counterpart.


I didn't make those assertions at any point.

Arguing that  black people are just plain more stupid, irresponsible, and reckless is racist. Period. Its irrelevant whether or not you think its innate or "cultural", its still racist.

I was referring to my answer for why more blacks are arrested for smoking pot.  The police don't get called to, for example, my gated neighborhood and go inside to see my neighbor smoking in the living room.  They do, however, respond to the projects on the outskirts of downtown about every 30 minutes (police scanners are interesting) on many nights to investigate gun shots, thefts, robberies, gambling in the breezeway etc.  When they are walking around trying to figure out where the gunshots that someone heard came from they often stumble upon someone in the stairwell smoking pot.  Ta-da!  Racist arrest!  Racist arrest!

So according to your logic...black people supposedly do more reckless shiat than their white counterparts, and the cops are likely to stumble upon them when investigating other crimes. Therefore, its constitutionally okay to stop and frisk people for no other reason than them being black. Yeah...no.

This debate is going nowhere and you're still a racist. Welcome to my ignore list.
 
2013-03-26 03:41:25 PM

Acharne: Silly Jesus: Thanks for the apology for making up lies about me and attempting to impugn my character.  Apology accepted.

You sound twelve.


I care a great deal what a liar's opinion of me is.
 
2013-03-26 03:42:15 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

What institutionalized racism causes 70% of black mothers to be unwed?

Its kinda hard to raise kids with a father if the father has been put in jail by a system that gives him a far longer sentence than his white counterpart.


I didn't make those assertions at any point.

Arguing that  black people are just plain more stupid, irresponsible, and reckless is racist. Period. Its irrelevant whether or not you think its innate or "cultural", its still racist.

I was referring to my answer for why more blacks are arrested for smoking pot.  The police don't get called to, for example, my gated neighborhood and go inside to see my neighbor smoking in the living room.  They do, however, respond to the projects on the outskirts of downtown about every 30 minutes (police scanners are interesting) on many nights to investigate gun shots, thefts, robberies, gambling in the breezeway etc.  When they are walking around trying to figure out where the gunshots that someone heard came from they often stumble upon someone in the stairwell smoking pot.  Ta-da!  Racist arrest!  Racist arrest!

So according to your logic...black people supposedly do more reckless shiat than their white counterparts, and the cops are likely to stumble upon them when investigating other crimes. Therefore, its constitutionally okay to stop and frisk people for no other reason than them being black. Yeah...no.

This debate is going nowhere and you're still a racist. Welcome to my ignore list.


You're incredibly dense.

I'll return the favor.
 
2013-03-26 04:03:47 PM

MeanJean: Silly Jesus

What institutionalized racism causes 70% of black mothers to be unwed?

Its kinda hard to raise kids with a father if the father has been put in jail by a system that gives him a far longer sentence than his white counterpart.


*shakes MeanJean's hand*

At least we tried. The point I have to make though, is that we were so close. You got him to open up about it better than I did and I applaud you.
 
2013-03-26 04:51:30 PM
Acharne

*shakes MeanJean's hand*

At least we tried. The point I have to make though, is that we were so close. You got him to open up about it better than I did and I applaud you.


Thank you. I'm glad fark has a few sensible people in it. You are now favorited.
 
2013-03-26 05:20:06 PM

dletter: Hermione_Granger: jasnotron            2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM  
    
I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.

No it's not. That is blatantly wrong. Profiling is a very bad way to police any community and does not work.

We need to stop calling it "profiling" and "stop and frisk" and just call it what it is: Jim Crow. It's not the new Jim Crow. It's the same old "we will treat you differently based on your skin color" Jim Crow.

It was wrong in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900"s and it's wrong now. And may I remind you, it doesn't work. It only makes law abiding people, who would turn in the criminal elements or be more helpful to the police, distrustful and with good reason.

This system does not work.
It is not good policing.
It's just plain racist and wrong.

"Profiling" in your case is just stopping people because they fit a "description", for no reason other than to stop them.

Some people might also say "profiling" is like if there was a witness to a murder who said the person they saw was a "Black male around 5' 11"".... does that mean that them stopping black males around 5' 11" in the area of the crime is "profiling", any more than doing the same thing if they saw a 6' 4" white guy and stopping all of them?

But, you could just always have an "open case" with various descriptions you want to "profile", and then you are given your reason to "stop" people.  So, that delineation doesn't even really help if someone is determined to "profile" in general.


You are wrong. There is a difference between "racial profiling" which is looking for anyone black or latino and searching someone based on a set of known characteristics like a black male of approximate shade and height. Unless you think every black male is the same height and skin color - that would include everyone from Prince to Will Smith - from Kat Williams to Shaquille O'Neal.

You seem to think that the police only stop the men they're looking for. I'm telling you that they don't. They stop every black male and don't seem to give a shiat whether they have the right ones or not as long as they're stopping black men.

That is racist bullshiat. Period.
 
2013-03-26 05:38:48 PM
And NONE of what you said addresses my original premise of just being HUMAN.

Don't condone the ill treatment of others that you wouldn't accept for yourself.

How farking hard is that? Really?

I get that you probably don't see people of other colors as human, but really, get a farking clue already.
 
2013-03-26 07:01:39 PM

Hermione_Granger: And NONE of what you said addresses my original premise of just being HUMAN.

Don't condone the ill treatment of others that you wouldn't accept for yourself.

How farking hard is that? Really?

I get that you probably don't see people of other colors as human, but really, get a farking clue already.


You seem concerned.
 
2013-03-27 11:37:05 AM

Hermione_Granger: dletter: Hermione_Granger: jasnotron            2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM  
    
I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.

No it's not. That is blatantly wrong. Profiling is a very bad way to police any community and does not work.

We need to stop calling it "profiling" and "stop and frisk" and just call it what it is: Jim Crow. It's not the new Jim Crow. It's the same old "we will treat you differently based on your skin color" Jim Crow.

It was wrong in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900"s and it's wrong now. And may I remind you, it doesn't work. It only makes law abiding people, who would turn in the criminal elements or be more helpful to the police, distrustful and with good reason.

This system does not work.
It is not good policing.
It's just plain racist and wrong.

"Profiling" in your case is just stopping people because they fit a "description", for no reason other than to stop them.

Some people might also say "profiling" is like if there was a witness to a murder who said the person they saw was a "Black male around 5' 11"".... does that mean that them stopping black males around 5' 11" in the area of the crime is "profiling", any more than doing the same thing if they saw a 6' 4" white guy and stopping all of them?

But, you could just always have an "open case" with various descriptions you want to "profile", and then you are given your reason to "stop" people.  So, that delineation doesn't even really help if someone is determined to "profile" in general.

You are wrong. There is a difference between "racial profiling" which is looking for anyone black or latino and searching someone based on a set of known characteristics like a black male of approximate shade and height. Unless you think every black male is the same height and skin color - that would include everyone from Prince to Will Smith - f ...


I don't disagree.... I am just saying that they could conveniently have a slew of "Open" cases with 15-20 different combinations of approx heights/weights of "black males" that need to be looked for, which gives them "just cause" (in only the strictest legal sense) to do "racial profiling".
 
2013-03-28 09:25:06 AM
<i>dletter [TotalFark]        2013-03-27 11:37:05 AM


Hermione_Granger: dletter: Hermione_Granger: jasnotron            2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM

I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.
No it's not. That is blatantly wrong. Profiling is a very bad way to police any community and does not work.
We need to stop calling it "profiling" and "stop and frisk" and just call it what it is: Jim Crow. It's not the new Jim Crow. It's the same old "we will treat you differently based on your skin color" Jim Crow.

I don't disagree.... I am just saying that they could conveniently have a slew of "Open" cases with 15-20 different combinations of approx heights/weights of "black males" that need to be looked for, which gives them "just cause" (in only the strictest legal sense) to do "racial profiling"</i>

I'm sorry. I'm going to have to write you off as a clueless white person now.
1. You do disagree with what I'm saying. We are not saying the same thing.
2. Racial profiling is bullshiat.
3. The lengths you willing to go to prove it's ok makes you a racist.
4. This is why we can't have real discussions of racism - because white people always want to prove that their racist bullshiat is perfectly fine. It's not by the way.

I'm done.
 
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