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2013-03-25 12:51:35 AM

MyRandomName: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

For all your whining, you sure haven't provided any counter evidence. S hocking.


http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/where-americas-rac ist-tweets-come-from/265006/

http://www.topalli.com/blue/

On phone, so posting the first that come up. Southern politeness is an absolute crock of shiat. This is coming from someone who has lived in MS and most of the north east. Outs there racism in NY? Of course. In fact, the NYPD is famous for it. The difference is we generally acknowledge it and get outraged when it happens, as opposed to trying to sweep racism under the rock, or acting like we can't talk about because it's impolite.
 
2013-03-25 12:52:00 AM
The truth is always the most protested.
Anyone read table FBI table 43 lately? (Racial distribution and violent crime type)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
 and the CIA factbook for racial distribution?
White ~80%
Black ~13%

Do some simple math and you see a clear correlation. (There is no argument)


Political correctness is killing this country.  It's time for people to wake up to the cold hard FACTS.
 
2013-03-25 12:59:33 AM

Lusiphur: MyRandomName: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

For all your whining, you sure haven't provided any counter evidence. S hocking.

http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/where-americas-ra c ist-tweets-come-from/265006/

http://www.topalli.com/blue/

On phone, so posting the first that come up. Southern politeness is an absolute crock of shiat. This is coming from someone who has lived in MS and most of the north east. Outs there racism in NY? Of course. In fact, the NYPD is famous for it. The difference is we generally acknowledge it and get outraged when it happens, as opposed to trying to sweep racism under the rock, or acting like we can't talk about because it's impolite.


Another one  http://www.businessinsider.com/are-southern-states-more-racist-2013-3
 
2013-03-25 01:05:10 AM

ginkor: 1 out of every 4 people who smoke will develop either cardio-pulmonary problems or cancer attributable to smoking.  So society works at a multitude of levels to get people to stop smoking.

About 1 out of every 4 black men is either in prison or probation.  Sucks to be them.

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.


That's odd, I never thought of this before...

How come we can call them illegitimate but we can't call 'em illegals when they're in the country illegally? Does calling them illegitimate have any long-term effects?
 
2013-03-25 01:07:59 AM

chrylis: The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.


Let's counter that with facts and intelligently presented ideas : "MisterRonbo:Add in that the people most likely to be convicted are the ones who have to rely on a public defender.  And the people who are going to risk prison by selling drugs are going to be poor, and the racists don't want to admit that the correlation between race and poverty is largely due to a history of discrimination."

But no, chrylis is right, if the police make it procedure to focus their attention on "black people" and then more black people end up in prison, that's all because of, "liberals." Oh, wait, no, chrylis is just a whining imbecile. 

You know, in a way this is good to see. The idiocy that is modern conservatism, rather than trying to figure out what's wrong with being dishonest bigots, are doubling down and trying to act "proud" of it. That'll help get rid of these idiots that much more quickly.
 
2013-03-25 02:15:32 AM

diaphoresis: If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


I think you mean if it weren't for long entrenched and ongoing bigotry that denies minorities the same opportunities to obtain a job that pays a living wage, crime would be cut by 67%.

Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.
 
2013-03-25 02:18:26 AM

kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.


Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.
 
2013-03-25 02:27:45 AM

diaphoresis: If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


News Flash: WW2 is over.  Your side lost.
 
2013-03-25 02:39:48 AM
I hope this whistleblower gets protection.
 
2013-03-25 03:41:21 AM
So, how many Farkers, when buying their homes, tell their RE agent, " I want to live in a more ethnically diverse neighborhood"?

Truth be told, there's something bitterely ironic about decrying racism from our entirely white neighborhoods.
 
2013-03-25 04:32:56 AM

untaken_name: kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.

Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.


I think by the time you're rating different levels of pond scum for their pond scumability, it's time to stop talking.  'Hey, at least I'm not a chomo' said no one who was ever taken seriously, ever.
 
2013-03-25 05:07:13 AM

Yaxe: So, how many Farkers, when buying their homes, tell their RE agent, " I want to live in a more ethnically diverse neighborhood"?

Truth be told, there's something bitterely ironic about decrying racism from our entirely white neighborhoods.


I live in a mixed neighborhood, and see no negatives from this.  The negative comes out of homogenous and poor neighborhoods, that develop their own counterculture. (Black, white, doesn't matter)
 
2013-03-25 06:43:32 AM
Makes sense. Bank robbers rob banks because that's where the money is. Cops go after young blacks because that's where the crime is.
 
2013-03-25 06:44:49 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: untaken_name: kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.

Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.

I think by the time you're rating different levels of pond scum for their pond scumability, it's time to stop talking.  'Hey, at least I'm not a chomo' said no one who was ever taken seriously, ever.


Um, the phrase "THE scum of the earth" is pretty exclusionary. I'm not the one trying to quantify where racists stand on the spectrum, either. That was the person I replied to. Should we treat racists the same as we do murderers? Put them in jail for life or execute them? You're equating not liking someone for a stupid reason and TAKING HUMAN LIFE, you idiot. And you want ME to stop talking? Why, am I making too much sense for you?
 
2013-03-25 07:10:43 AM
Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

i1172.photobucket.com

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?
 
2013-03-25 07:23:26 AM

untaken_name: LowbrowDeluxe: untaken_name: kg2095: Bigots, including racists, are the scum of the earth.

Why? I mean, I don't like racists, either, but they're better than child rapists and murderers. I mean, you don't think so, obviously, but rational people do.

I think by the time you're rating different levels of pond scum for their pond scumability, it's time to stop talking.  'Hey, at least I'm not a chomo' said no one who was ever taken seriously, ever.

Um, the phrase "THE scum of the earth" is pretty exclusionary. I'm not the one trying to quantify where racists stand on the spectrum, either. That was the person I replied to. Should we treat racists the same as we do murderers? Put them in jail for life or execute them? You're equating not liking someone for a stupid reason and TAKING HUMAN LIFE, you idiot. And you want ME to stop talking? Why, am I making too much sense for you?


Scum has more than one ingredient. You can lump them all together and some ingredients are nastier than others. No one said anything about taking a human life except for you.
 
2013-03-25 07:38:37 AM

dready zim: So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.


Racist, schmasist.  Randomly stopping people is un-American.  Unless there's reasonable suspicion that I'm up to no good, it is none of the government's God damned business where I'm going or what I'm doing.

"Listen, son", said the man with the gun, "there's room for you inside."

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

You don't have a problem with "a minimum number of stops *and* arrests"?
 
2013-03-25 08:32:08 AM

dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?


Why should there be a minimum number of arrests?

What would I do?  I would stop and search only those persons who gave me probable cause to do so. But then, I give a damn about the Constitution, and the rights of citizens, whereas most authoritarians do not.
I'd also not do DUI checkpoints, because I disagree with the Supreme Court ruling that there's a 4th Amendment exception for drunk driving, just like a disagree with you that there's a 4th Amendment exception for young black men.
 
2013-03-25 08:39:51 AM
Should have just said "people who look like gang bangers".  Would have accomplished the same thing.

Im not jumping on board to support racism or anything, but we dont really know enough specifics to make a judgement call here.  It could be that on that particular block almost all violent crime is perpetrated by young blacks.  They could have been working with information on specific threats or from actual local demographics.  Its hard to say.

I just think stereotyping gets a bad wrap.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

Sounds like the bigger issue here is NYPD's policy of frisking people without cause or warrant.  Attack that, and this problem goes away... and not just for one racial group.
 
2013-03-25 08:49:14 AM

Gdalescrboz: No, it's not, in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast. But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived. Shallow and intellectually lazy, but a good effort indeed, it works on a lot of people living in your neck of the woods


/was going to say "Please note this did not happen in the south"
//no need to say it, THIS says it better than I ever could
 
2013-03-25 08:57:32 AM

Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?


"Statistics" cannot be racist. How they are used is what can make them racist.
Unfortunately we have people in this country, many of them on FARK, many of them in this thread, some even using the name "Silly Jesus", who would choose to use these numbers to "prove" either the inferiority of "the other" or superiority of the group to which they believe they belong.

These people also tend to use those numbers in a vacuum... it's called "cherry-picking". Without the numbers relating to other factors in the matrix, such as high school drop out rates, under and unemployment, single parenthood, poverty, incarceration rates by police who specifically target them (as in this article), types of crimes accused of and committed by and a whole host of other social factors, any statistics which might show that one group or another is more "criminal" are meaningless.

But they will be cited anyway, with a screeching howl of "See! See! It's their fault!" and an accusatory finger waved in the general direction of the group which the amateur statistician is trying to accuse.

Like a gun, the numbers are a tool. Some people use them to plink targets in a cornfield, and some use them to shoot up an elementary school.

Yes, I answered a known troll, but it had to be said.
 
2013-03-25 09:11:43 AM

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.


Remind me again which states still require pre-clearance under section 5 of the voting rights act because of the number of times they tried to keep those uppity Negros from voting?  Is it all hillbilly redneck southern states + the equally hillbilly redneck state of Alaska?  It IS!?

You don't say...
 
2013-03-25 09:44:34 AM
Is stop and frisk unconstitutional? Yes.
Do cops do things all the time that they aren't supposed to do?
Are civil liberties so important that they should be preserved even if people commit crimes? Yes.
Do young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime? Yes.

Not sure what that makes me. A racist anti-authoritarian Libertarian realist?
 
2013-03-25 10:39:01 AM
Selective outrage is selective.

www.upl.co
 
2013-03-25 10:49:37 AM
This is Michael Bloomberg's idea. Guess what? It's working. Crime is way down in NYC and especially in the Bronx.
 
2013-03-25 10:51:29 AM

OnlyM3: Selective outrage is selective.

[www.upl.co image 428x501]


One is a current member of the Klan, (yes, in the 21st century) and the other was a member of the Klan in the 1960's who gave up on that dumb sh*t in the early 80's (over 30 years ago).
There's a difference between what someone is now and what they used to be, kind of like what the republican party used to be (pro union, anti-racist, pro-worker) and what they are now.

Selective stupidity is selective.
 
2013-03-25 10:57:15 AM
Hell yeah it's the Bronx.  In Georgia or Mississippi, it wouldn't occur to anyone to record someone saying something so ordinary.
 
2013-03-25 11:49:02 AM

OnlyM3: Selective outrage is selective.

[www.upl.co image 428x501]


DRINK!
 
2013-03-25 12:02:37 PM

martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?


No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.
 
2013-03-25 12:11:38 PM
I can't help but wonder why you think that only choice people have other than being racist is being serial killers.

That's the some farked up thinking...I can't even begin to call it logic. But just in case I didn't clarify that enough for you (that means to make things clear) I suppose I should say I'd rather that people be neither racist nor serial killers.

I think you should check out a website called "Without Sanctuary". I think you'll find that not that long, being a racist and being a serial killer were fairly synonymous. If you count today's police force, not much has changed.
 
2013-03-25 12:36:36 PM

Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.


If you don't go seek out some white men, you've lied to everyone who read the post.I'm white, so you'd be halfway there!
 
2013-03-25 12:54:43 PM
dready zim:So to the outraged, what would you do?

Spend the budget fixing the differences in culture that make 16-year-old black men so much more likely to commit a crime in the first place, rather than spending it harassing them after we already farked them up.
 
2013-03-25 01:02:05 PM
Ginkor

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

(citation needed)
 
2013-03-25 01:24:05 PM

Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.


So you're a racist too?  I like to think I'm less racist that my father and I know my daughters are less racist that me.  I believe there are varying degrees of racism that dissipate by generation.  I had no idea you were an angry black man!  :)
 
2013-03-25 02:43:47 PM
That was too easy.... for A and B the supervisor would assume he wouldn't have to tell his subordinates that.
 
2013-03-25 02:54:37 PM
The truth is always the most protested.
Anyone read table FBI table 43 lately? (Racial distribution and violent crime type)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
 and the CIA fact book for racial distribution?
White ~80% (Hispanics are lumped into the "white" demographic, so take those out and the crime percentages are even less)
Black ~13%

Do some simple math and you see a very clear correlation. (There is no argument)


Political correctness is killing this country.  It's time for people to wake up to the cold hard FACTS. Minorities cause more crime per capita.  Period, hands down, no argument. Political correctness kills rational, logical thought and makes you stupid in comparison to those who do not follow the PC Agenda.
 
2013-03-25 02:57:51 PM

MeanJean: Ginkor

Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

(citation needed)


Jerry Springer
 
2013-03-25 03:22:04 PM

GoldenEggs: The truth is always the most protested.
Anyone read table FBI table 43 lately? (Racial distribution and violent crime type)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
 and the CIA fact book for racial distribution?
White ~80% (Hispanics are lumped into the "white" demographic, so take those out and the crime percentages are even less)
Black ~13%

Do some simple math and you see a very clear correlation. (There is no argument)


Political correctness is killing this country.  It's time for people to wake up to the cold hard FACTS. Minorities cause more crime per capita.  Period, hands down, no argument. Political correctness kills rational, logical thought and makes you stupid in comparison to those who do not follow the PC Agenda.


Except, is it really "minorities", or is it "poor people", who just for other reasons happen to be minorities?

Just looking at one set of numbers will hide what the real reason is behind it.

Are there numbers for these same crimes by yearly income?   Are minorities dramatically committing more crimes within that income category than their representation within that income category?
 
2013-03-25 03:26:31 PM

martid4: Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.

So you're a racist too?  I like to think I'm less racist that my father and I know my daughters are less racist that me.  I believe there are varying degrees of racism that dissipate by generation.  I had no idea you were an angry black man!  :)


You do realize that throwing an accusation of being a racist at a person who points out racism, is, in fact, a common tendency of racists?

I just thought you ought to know.

/Now I've got to find 3 white guys to lie to. Geesh.
 
2013-03-25 03:43:37 PM

dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?


Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fair. If a white dude killed him, you arrest him. If a black dude did it, you arrest him. Can you guys explain how racist cops cause this statistic ?
 
2013-03-25 03:48:15 PM

profplump: dready zim:So to the outraged, what would you do?

Spend the budget fixing the differences in culture that make 16-year-old black men so much more likely to commit a crime in the first place, rather than spending it harassing them after we already farked them up.


So you'd spend the budget limiting their first amendment rights ? Seriously their gangster rapper, screw anything that moves and then don't be a dad culture is the main problem.
 
2013-03-25 04:09:32 PM
@dletter

...and your response IS the heart of the PC agenda.  There always excuses to be made, there always distractions and tangents to be thrown to cloud the issue and distract from the argument there are always hairs to be split to take away from the FACTS.
 In the tables it says "black" and "white".  There are poor whites in there too, so your splitting hairs as far as being "poor"  is not relevant (as usual when someone programmed into the PC propaganda machine so often do). Your making distinctions is a distractive tangent (a common tactic).  The issue is race only and I addressed that and so did the tables issued by the FBI as well as the CIA factbook.

I grew up dirt poor and made something of my self, hence the name I chose on here. I have a clean record and I TOO WAS POOR. Ever think it's something in the genes? (A point proven but politically unpalatable in the scientific community)
Just look at the ONLY Continent that continues to be essentially worthless if it were not for white and yellow influence besides Antarctica?  Fact.  Time to wake up folks. PC is killing the collective conscious and filling it full of propaganda and erroneous information.

Please take the excuses elsewhere.
 
2013-03-25 04:30:08 PM

GoldenEggs: I grew up dirt poor and made something of my self, hence the name I chose on here.


Humor me here.  Did you grow up dirt poor AND surrounded by a pervasive culture of extreme violence and lawlessness supported by a distrust in civil authorities who make no secret of the fact that they will target you for no substantive reason?

Like lets apply those numbers.  Did you grow up in a neighborhood where you were 6.8 times more likely to be exposed to a murder/murderer?
 
2013-03-25 04:51:46 PM
If you're going to profile people based on appearance, I think you should start here:

www.flyteblog.com

They tend to be white, older males and they are robbing the country blind and doing a hell of a lot more damage than any young, poor, urban black male.

"They want keep us busy focusing on our differences, white, black, religion etc in order to keep the middle class fighting with the poor so they can make off with all of the farking money."- George Carlin
 
2013-03-25 05:12:48 PM

jasnotron: dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?

Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fa ...


You're talking about people.

Not a demographic. Human beings.

If you wouldn't accept this behavior for you, your family, your friends, your neighbors and people who share your ethnic background and skin color - then don't farking accept it for other people.

Half the people in this farking thread saying Stop and Frisk is ok for minorities are the same people biatching about surveillance and drones in every other thread.

What goes around comes around. When they start treating white people like shiat, who do you think they practiced and perfected their methods on first?

Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.

And so are you.
 
2013-03-25 05:54:51 PM

Hermione_Granger: Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.


Wingnuts don't think that Occupy is "decent."
 
2013-03-25 06:10:46 PM
I wasn't talking about wingnuts. I was talking about white people in the Occupy Movement.
 
2013-03-25 06:28:00 PM

Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: martid4: Hermione_Granger: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

Every day, all day. I'm so used to racist Farkers, I'm actually getting a kick out of these replies, if for no other reason to remind me how ignorant and racist people can be, even when they think they're being intelligent and reasonable.

Oh lighten up!  Would you rather that they be serial killers?

No, I'd rather they stop being racists. Why the fark should I lighten up? Because FARK is fun for you? Because it provides comedy for you and makes you feel all nice and comfy? Because in this space YOU don't want to be reminded that people are racist farks? Well guess what, I don't want to be reminded either and I don't have the choice of overlooking it either. Because it's blatantly obvious to me, even if it's not to you. FARK is a fun place to be a lot of the time - even for me. But I don't have the option to "lighten up" when people say and do racist things here.

If this sounds angry or if you feel like taking it personally, just remember to take your own advice: Lighten up. It's just one person's opinion on FARK. One person's words, one person's attitude. It really doesn't matter that much anyway, right? Lighten up.

/I'm breaking my rule of never telling white people the truth. Now I have to go find two white men to lie to make up for it. fark, you're making my day harder already.

So you're a racist too?  I like to think I'm less racist that my father and I know my daughters are less racist that me.  I believe there are varying degrees of racism that dissipate by generation.  I had no idea you were an angry black man!  :)

You do realize that throwing an accusation of being a racist at a person who points out racism, is, in fact, a common tendency of racists?

I just thought you ought to know.

/Now I've got to find 3 white guys to lie to. Geesh.


I questioned if you were a racist, not a statement.  I am a racist, I dislike Asians.
 
2013-03-25 06:30:22 PM

Hermione_Granger: jasnotron: dready zim: Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking "the right people at the right time, the right location." When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

[i1172.photobucket.com image 464x410]

So, people say that randomly stopping the demographic group most responsible is racist.

The people who think this, how would *you* reduce the black male 14-24 crime rate? (difficulty, you are a police officer in the bronx and have to maintain a minimum amount of stops *and* arrests)

It is better to stop people you know are ten times less likely to be committing a crime or to stop people who are ten times more likely to be committing a crime or to just stop everybody and have half the people be ten times less likely to be a criminal and the other half ten times more likely (difficulty, you do not have enough budget so can only stop 100 people and must have as high an arrest rate as possible)

I`m not saying don`t stop white people but if you have limited budget, in a high crime area with a known demographic committing ten times more crime and you have to reduce crime, politically correct or not, you would target that demographic to maximise the effectiveness of your limited budget/manpower.

So to the outraged, what would you do?

Not to mention you don't "stop and frisk" someone for homicide. How in the heck are people going to say that the police cause this by focusing on black males. A dead body is a dead body. When you show up, you look for who made it dead. You don't stand around and wonder about how you will go about making people feel like you are being fa ...

You're talking about people.

Not a demographic. Human beings.

If you wouldn't accept this behavior for you, your family, your friends, your neighbors and people who share your ethnic background and skin color - then don't farking accept it for other people.

Half the people in this farking thread saying Stop and Frisk is ok for minorities are the same people biatching about surveillance and drones in every other thread.

What goes around comes around. When they start treating white people like shiat, who do you think they practiced and perfected their methods on first?

Part of the problem with the Occupy Movement was no one thought they would treat decent, peaceful white people like that. Well they were wrong.

And so are you.


I know they are people and I know stop and frisk is wrong. Its Constitutionally wrong and morally wrong. What I'm saying it that there is a reason for profiling at times. Its a necessary part of police work.
 
2013-03-25 06:56:11 PM

untaken_name: kg2095


I think you misunderstood me. I was responding to a post that started "If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%"

I fully agree that rapists are evil and serial offenders (more than once) should be surgically castrated.
 
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