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(Gothamist)   Cop secretly records his supervisor ordering him to assume young black men are criminals in a) rural Georgia b) small town in Mississippi c) the Bronx   (gothamist.com) divider line 318
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2013-03-24 09:04:59 PM

gja: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

No, the laws need to change. The current law regarding pot is asinine and wasteful. It achieves little more than clogging the legal system.

By all means, let's waste a very finite resource on a containing a "problem" that returns little or no benefit to the populous at large.
I am a law-abiding person, non-smoker, drink very infrequently, etc...
But it chaffs my butt that we continue to prosecute pot use the same way we do meth and such, in many localities.
This is stupid. It is a failure.


This I agree with.
 
2013-03-24 09:05:27 PM

Yogimus: Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?


"Hey! Everyone! Look at me! Look at me! Hey! Over here! Hey, yeah! OVER HERE! I'm a TROOOOOLLL! Hey! Hey! Hey! I'm a TROOOLLLLL! Look at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
 
2013-03-24 09:06:27 PM

Yogimus: redmid17: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

Would love to hear your opinion on the right to assemble peacefully in Selma in 1965.

Hi my name is apple, and while I am not an orange, per se, I would TOTALLY juice the fark out of that sexy orb.


1965 is less an orb and more a porcupine. Prosecuting joints is like beating a toddler because it can't form complete sentences to your liking.
 
2013-03-24 09:07:27 PM

VendorXeno: Yogimus: Anyone suggest that maybe the black kids should stop committing crimes yet?

"Hey! Everyone! Look at me! Look at me! Hey! Over here! Hey, yeah! OVER HERE! I'm a TROOOOOLLL! Hey! Hey! Hey! I'm a TROOOLLLLL! Look at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"


Just pointing out that if you don't control your youth, the rest of society will do so for you.
 
2013-03-24 09:11:45 PM

gja: Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.


No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yogimus: Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.


Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

Yogimus: Hi my name is apple, and while I am not an orange, per se, I would TOTALLY juice the fark out of that sexy orb.


Nonviolent, possibly even helpful crime?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 09:13:02 PM

Yogimus: gja: Yogimus: gja: FARK rebel soldier: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

I don't know how big the effect is, but it happens. Whites commit more out-of-sight crimes, black people more outdoors crimes. Like the 5 or 6 people I walked past last night, smoking pot disguised as normal cigs. All black, only one woman.

Well, if you consider smoking a joint something worth of being a crime i just don't know what to say to you.
The crap that enforcement time/effort is wasted on is unreal in this country.

Waaah I don't like the law so people should be allowed to break it.

No, the laws need to change. The current law regarding pot is asinine and wasteful. It achieves little more than clogging the legal system.

By all means, let's waste a very finite resource on a containing a "problem" that returns little or no benefit to the populous at large.
I am a law-abiding person, non-smoker, drink very infrequently, etc...
But it chaffs my butt that we continue to prosecute pot use the same way we do meth and such, in many localities.
This is stupid. It is a failure.

This I agree with.


Glad to hear reason is possible with you.
This is the point I am making in my post. Continuation of a failed/wasteful policy "because that's the way we have always done it" is perhaps the absolute definition and embodiment of 'huh-derp'.
Every person incarcerated for casual/personal pot use is a drain on the system that is completely wasteful and generally without a ROI for the taxpaying populous.
I am an engineer. So things need to:
1. Make sense
2. Follow a reasoned order of logic
3. Provide a payback for the effort involved and the resources used to prvide the desired/designed outcome

Absent of these criteria and my geek-a-larm goes off and I get stuck in div/0 mindset.
 
2013-03-24 09:13:26 PM
When I read threads like this, I'm grateful to be Asian. However when I watch sports or porn, I sometimes wish I were Black.
 
2013-03-24 09:13:27 PM

Yogimus: Just pointing out that if you don't control your youth, the rest of society will do so for you.


Classic racism. This portrays the black community as some kind of separate and unified entity that isn't being "responsible," enough to defend ah illegal policy of harassing people without any basis for suspecting them of criminal activity. The only question is whether you're saying something this stupid because you're genuinely a bigoted idiot or because you're just a pitiful asshole trying to troll strangers online because you are stupid and like to piss people off by acting like an asshole. Either way, you're way, way too farking stupid to spend another second interacting with, ever. Blocked, moron.
 
2013-03-24 09:17:39 PM

Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Except for that little bit about the KKK was formed by Democrats and continues to be filled with Democrats.

/racism has a liberal bias
 
2013-03-24 09:18:06 PM
This article is actually bullshiat as a reading of the entire transcript shows - the supervisor told the cop that he - the cop - had GREAT people - 98% GREAT people in his precinct who needed to be kept safe.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 09:19:06 PM

Atomic Spunk: When I read threads like this, I'm grateful to be Asian. However when I watch sports or porn, I sometimes wish I were Black.


LOL. That's a myth, FYI. My colleague from Guyana always mumbles something along the lines of "i musta skipped a generation for that, dammit".

/don't know why he should care, he has a 170iq and was a westinghouse scholar
 
2013-03-24 09:22:25 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Except for that little bit about the KKK was formed by Democrats


And Republicans actually used to be a party of small government and reasonable policies. What's your point?

Smeggy Smurf: and continues to be filled with Democrats.


Oh, you're just making shiat up wholesale then. Shoulda known.
 
2013-03-24 09:23:46 PM

FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.


Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.
 
2013-03-24 09:26:24 PM

Silly Jesus: Acharne: Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts

If you arrested 40 retired white women and 10 black men, the mugshot roundup would be 80% white. What exactly was YOUR point? Police arrest who they want to arrest.

Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?


Your phrasing is a bit awkward but essentially covers it. The police look harder at black people, and the results of that are more black arrestees. I'm not saying black people don't commit crimes, of course they do, they are people. I certainly see a bias though, and much profiling. I don't know where you live, but where I live if you are native, you get looked three times. If you're white, maybe half a glance. Cops do that shiat, you can't ignore it.
 
2013-03-24 09:27:17 PM

TsukasaK: FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.


This
 
2013-03-24 09:30:42 PM

TsukasaK: FARK rebel soldier: No I agree, just saying the law exists.

Yknow, slavish devotion to the law doesn't make you noble or better than everyone else, it merely makes you obedient.


Also, as the closet (and overt) bigots here keep blatantly overlooking, we're not talking about people who are breaking the law. We're talking about stopping and searching people because they had a physical trait in common (sort of) with some other people who have broken the law in the past. Not all other people by any stretch, (plenty of white women break the law all the time,) but you know, just sort of like some criminals. Worst, this kind of profiling IS breaking the law. So it's bizarre to see people here trying to defend cops who are breaking the law by stopping people who aren't via the argument, "we have to obey the law." In short, those people are utter cretins.
 
2013-03-24 09:31:20 PM

Lsherm: Silly Jesus: Huh?  You're really in the camp that thinks that criminals are disproportionately black because the cops just don't arrest all of the white criminals?

Dude, I consider myself a conservative and I have yet to see a goddamn banker frog-marched into jail for wrecking the whole worldwide economy.

There is a good argument to be made that minorities are disproportionately arrested not because they aren't committing crimes, but because we tend to dedicate the most police resources to problem areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated with minorities.

Think about the number of white people you know who smoke pot.  There's probably a close to zero chance they are ever going to be arrested for it.  It's a real risk if you're a young black male, however  because the cops are around watching for it.


It's not as unlikely a scenario as you might think. About the only place left one has any guaranteed 4th Amendment rights is in one's house, and to a great extent, one's business. The crimes cops arrest ANYONE for are crimes they can see. So if you smoke dope outside you get busted for it; do it at home, not so much. If people could commit bank fraud out on the street, I guess they could be arrested for it; but it's kind of tough to do. Since bank fraud or insider trading needs computers and phones and lots of paper, it has to be done inside where nobody can see it.

It's worth noting that one of the most successful counterfeiters in recent history was a black ex-gangster, who'd done time for robbery, who had a whole setup in his home in Lawndale (not the best of all LA areas). But he never got caught until the Secret Service finally tracked him down...because it was all inside. So just being black, or even a black criminal, isn't a guarantee that cops are going to be all over you.
 
2013-03-24 09:42:18 PM

Lsherm: AbbeySomeone: Southerners have better manners and pride themselves on social graces.

That is a pretty accurate assessment of what is going on.  I'm in an extremely rural area, but my neighbors at the farm across the street are incredibly racist, primarily because they're both over 80 years old.  My wife and I are friendly with an African American family that lives on 10 acres down the road, and they refer to our racist neighbors as people "with the old way of thinking."  People don't call each other racist down here even if they ARE racist.

Fun fact about the AA family - the 10 acres were purchased pre-Civil War by their family after their slave ancestors were granted freedom from a plantation in North Carolina by their owner.  They paid for the land by agreeing to work the neighboring farm that surrounds it for 30 years.  The war cut that promise short by 10 years, but they held onto the land afterwards and now they have 4 generations of family living on it in some capacity.  They also have one of the most indecipherable Southern Virginia accents I've ever come across.


cs y'all
 
2013-03-24 09:47:54 PM
Overall, I think less folks of every culture would be harassed for pot and other nonviolent crap if more folks would stop shooting each others babies near where they live.

Quit being violent and we can work out the nonviolent shiat a lot easier.

We'd have less cops if we had less folks who do violent shiat. It'd be great to get rid of them both.
//Then maybe we'd have more funds for schools and infrastructure.
/ Whatever.
 
2013-03-24 09:52:57 PM

lack of warmth: JohnnyC: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

/wife is a descendant of a mixed marriage
//A grandpa of hers was a British slave that immigrated to the US


I was amazed to hear what my grandmother told me when I brought home a Korean girl who I ended up dating for many years and nearly marrying. She told me it was good that I was dating a Korean because "whites and Orientals make the most beautiful babies," and that it was a good thing I didn't bring home a black girl because she would have had to write me out of the will. I was flabbergasted. And extremely tempted to tell her about a girl I'd dated in high school. But I didn't. Because she's a vindictive drama queen. And I didn't want to deal with that, or to add another thing for her to vent about to everyone in the family.
 
2013-03-24 09:55:22 PM
was he ordered to leave the bronx??
 
2013-03-24 09:57:50 PM
I hope that cop is independently wealthy and that he is going into the witness protection program. Because every other NYPD cop is going to be after him.
 
2013-03-24 10:03:10 PM

shotglasss: Godscrack: Right wing racist cops? That almost never happens

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Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.


Oh, we're going to pretend that the Southern Strategy never happened now, are we?
 
2013-03-24 10:10:30 PM
shotglasss (farkied: Has had way too many shotglasses):  Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.

1) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.
2) That's a DRINK! for "teh KKK was teh Demonrats hurr durr" and a DRINK! for "Democrat party gosh that Rush Lamebrain is so clever!"
 
2013-03-24 10:14:05 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: shotglasss (farkied: Has had way too many shotglasses):  Pictures of Klansmen? Just in case you forgot, the KKK was a wing of the Democrat party.

1) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.
2) That's a DRINK! for "teh KKK was teh Demonrats hurr durr" and a DRINK! for "Democrat party gosh that Rush Lamebrain is so clever!"


You say this like drinking is a bad thing
 
2013-03-24 10:23:43 PM

Elegy: whip it out and show me, big boy.


That's what she said.
 
2013-03-24 10:26:12 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: ) "Was" being the operative word here.  Was.  You said it yourself.


Also, it was never a "wing" of the DNP. That's one of the dumbest farking things I've ever read. The original KKK was founded in the Confederacy. Subsequent groups had some southern members affiliated with the DNP, which here in the south is often still fairly right wing. But leave it to a conservative to combine ignorance, stupidity and irrationality to try and argue that since, "someone affiliated with a group I don't like was racist decades ago, it should allow me to ignore people I identify with being racist right now!"
 
2013-03-24 10:28:38 PM
Silly Jesus (farkied: Jesus must indeed seem silly to this guy): Derpy derpy derrrr

Nice of you to just cut to the chase.
 
2013-03-24 10:37:45 PM
Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.


Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.
 
2013-03-24 10:44:00 PM

MeanJean: Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.

Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.


SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.
 
2013-03-24 10:46:45 PM

diaphoresis: SUCCESS! Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.


*PLONK*
 
2013-03-24 10:47:02 PM

diaphoresis: SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.


Yeah.. see.. by not being a pig ignorant racist sh*theel, where you are, he  is morally superior to you in pretty much every way.

/*plonk*
 
2013-03-24 10:49:26 PM
3 morons, 1 comment.. I really am good. Ignorance alive and well.
 
2013-03-24 10:55:13 PM
I expect a through investigation will occur, and Officer Pedro Serrano will be found guilty of illegally taping the conversation and will be fired.
 
2013-03-24 10:55:26 PM
Umm....they normally are, sorry to say LOL
 
2013-03-24 10:56:49 PM
Good.
grumpycat.jpg
 
2013-03-24 10:57:26 PM
Maybe if we approached it more like this cop, there wouldn't be a 10 month old white baby shot in the head by 14 and 17 yo black monsters in Georgia.

Older black folk cross the street when they see black kids coming.  There's a reason.  UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE HOOD AS A WHITE PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING.
 
2013-03-24 10:58:02 PM
I'm not sure about that. Something about whistleblower protection could occur.
 
2013-03-24 11:17:53 PM

diaphoresis: MeanJean: Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.

Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.

SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.


Add me to the list. I know that the internet makes it easy to start thinking that irritating people by acting like a moron so that they stop talking to you is cool, but it's not. All it does is demonstrate that you're both an idiot and a jerk, and that you have some kind of emotional issue that causes you to actually brag about something so petty and pointless. Anyway, if you get a hormone rush because people who filter for quality are blocking you, then here's another quick fix. Enjoy!
 
2013-03-24 11:22:11 PM
4 morons.. all assuming something incorrect... let morons be morons..  might just be alts.. oh well.. add another to my fav list.
 
2013-03-24 11:23:21 PM

destardi: Older black folk cross the street when they see black kids coming.

k
One private citizen avoiding contact with another private citizen, based on race.

A representative of the government stopping someone and violating their fourth amendment rights, based on race.

Look really, really hard and maybe you can spot the difference.

UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE HOOD AS A WHITE PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING.

Well, I lived for a few years in Potrero Hill, and a few in the Western Addition, both in San Francisco and both "the hood".  And I'm white.  What I'm defending is somebody not having to deal with being hassled by the cops, day in and day out, for the color of their skin.

Maybe searching every young black male would reduce crime and save lives.  So would letting the cops bug every phone, or search any house or car at random, or executing every violent felon.  Doesn't make these morally right. I'm sure an authoritarian regime with no civil liberties could be close to crime-free.  That's what you're defending.
 
2013-03-24 11:25:06 PM

destardi: Maybe if we approached it more like this cop, there wouldn't be a 10 month old white baby shot in the head by 14 and 17 yo black monsters in Georgia.


1) The party of freedom and small government, ladies and gentlemen.

2) People have this funny way of becoming what they're expected to be, especially if they're expected to be criminals.

3) If we're going to take that approach, then why not apply it to everyone?  Young white people commit crimes, too.  Shoot, let's just lock everybody up, then there'll be no crime because no one will be free to commit crime!

4) Speaking of "shoot", proper gun control would have had the same effect.
 
2013-03-24 11:27:47 PM

MisterRonbo: Maybe searching every young black male would reduce crime and save lives.  So would letting the cops bug every phone, or search any house or car at random, or executing every violent felon.  Doesn't make these morally right. I'm sure an authoritarian regime with no civil liberties could be close to crime-free.  That's what you're defending.


Another fundamental point all the, "blacks are all criminals," racists are ignoring is this : If the police focus on one group to constantly search without cause, then isn't that going to skew crime statistics? Of course you're going to think blacks are "more criminal" if the cops focus on arresting black people. Self fulfilling prophecy, self supporting statistics, racism is always idiotic.
 
2013-03-24 11:35:09 PM

VendorXeno: diaphoresis: MeanJean: Diaphoresis

If it weren't for the black population, crime would be cut by 67%

I think this guy should be mayor.

Hmm.

I thought you were just trolling in the Swedish bus segregation thread, but it would seem you really are a racist. Blocked.

SUCCESS!  Been a while since I've managed to get plonked by someone pretending to be morally superior.

Add me to the list. I know that the internet makes it easy to start thinking that irritating people by acting like a moron so that they stop talking to you is cool, but it's not. All it does is demonstrate that you're both an idiot and a jerk, and that you have some kind of emotional issue that causes you to actually brag about something so petty and pointless. Anyway, if you get a hormone rush because people who filter for quality are blocking you, then here's another quick fix. Enjoy!


I have felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of ignore lists suddenly went *PLONK*, and another knucklehead was silenced.
 
2013-03-25 12:09:06 AM

Elegy: rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

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States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.


Interesting.  That report says (as of 2005) we have 2666 blacks incarcerated.  Are we shipping them in from somewhere else?  I didn't think we had that many in the state to begin with.

The White Mountains could use a little diversity.
 
2013-03-25 12:22:22 AM

Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?


The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.
 
2013-03-25 12:23:57 AM

chrylis: Silly Jesus: When did statistics become racist?  Do the laws of probability no longer apply if they don't suit the libby lib agenda?

The liberal agenda (which I'll deem to broadly include social engineering, government economic planning, and an encouragement to develop an external locus of control) has never subjected itself to evidential examination for the obvious reason.


Oh Lord I'm stuck with Loci again?
 
2013-03-25 12:25:52 AM
Arthur Jumbles: ...vision questions...

FTFY.
 
2013-03-25 12:27:40 AM

Popcorn Johnny: ginkor: Statistically, children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend.  The black illegitimacy rate is about 70%.

Let me guess, white America's fault?


Actually, democrates fault. The welfare system they started stipulated that in order to receive welfare payments the father couldn't be around. So dads would leave the home for long periods of time to ensure they weren't around when the social worker came around
 
2013-03-25 12:31:36 AM

VendorXeno: Another fundamental point all the, "blacks are all criminals," racists are ignoring is this : If the police focus on one group to constantly search without cause, then isn't that going to skew crime statistics? Of course you're going to think blacks are "more criminal" if the cops focus on arresting black people. Self fulfilling prophecy, self supporting statistics, racism is always idiotic.


Add in that the people most likely to be convicted are the ones who have to rely on a public defender.  And the people who are going to risk prison by selling drugs are going to be poor, and the racists don't want to admit that the correlation between race and poverty is largely due to a history of discrimination.
 
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