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2013-03-24 07:11:23 PM
Looks like someone's been reading FBI crime statistics again. Shame, shame.
 
2013-03-24 07:11:28 PM

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.


This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.
 
2013-03-24 07:12:52 PM

diaphoresis: Granted.. but I did learn about a vicious circle of racism up there.. whites complain more about blacks, blacks complain more about Hispanics (according to some: because they are making blacks into 3rd class citizens.. wtf?!), and Hispanics complain more about whites because they feel they are real americans even though they don't have green cards.

It took me about 2 weeks in and around Detroit to get this kind of 'man on the street' opinions.. Honestly, I can't follow the thought process for ANYONE'S opinion in the area.


All I really know about Michigan is that a guy I was in business with in Chicago for a while used to tell some pretty insane stories about him and his buddies getting into brawls with Chaldean gangs. Where do they fit into this?
 
2013-03-24 07:16:09 PM

Gdalescrboz: JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.


I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?


I'll put it this way: My arab friend grew up in the Midwest and went to college in Texas. He currently lives in central VA. He feels comfortable jsut about everywhere but the deep south. He doesn't even like to get out of his car to fill up his gas tank in MS, northern LA, and AR. Obviously anecdote =/= data but it's been worse for him in the south than the NE, MW, or anywhere else in the country. It's not like it was easy going after 9/11 either.
 
2013-03-24 07:16:20 PM

JohnnyC: rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.

No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?


Are you aware of the definition of racism?

Do you believe that statistics (or the use thereof) fall into that category?
 
2013-03-24 07:17:25 PM

rkiller1: JohnnyC: rkiller1: JohnnyC: Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Okay, we get your point: white stupid, black good.  Got it.

No... that isn't at all what I was saying. Racist = stupid. Racism/stupidity isn't limited to a particular race of people either. Odd that you would read what I wrote as meaning that though.

So... are you saying that you're racist and you feel put upon by people who think you're a farking idiot as a result?

You sound angry so I'm gonna go play somewhere else now.  Please enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
/Added to ignore.


Hahahah! Must have touched a nerve with that one...

Gdalescrboz: I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?


Feel free to call whatever you like. Arguing from your gut is apparently not a good idea for you since it hasn't brought you to a correct assumption yet, but okay. Also, nice strawman you're trying to build there.
 
2013-03-24 07:21:16 PM

JohnnyC: diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.


Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

/wife is a descendant of a mixed marriage
//A grandpa of hers was a British slave that immigrated to the US
 
2013-03-24 07:21:53 PM

namatad: can we get his name and address and send him a lot of pizzas?
just this once?


What, exactly, did the pizza places around him ever do to you?
 
2013-03-24 07:22:04 PM

Elegy: rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?
As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

[i.imgur.com image 300x219]

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Same pattern holds true for Hispanics.


Well, duh.  My town hadn't had a murder in 25 years before some black dude from Milwaukee killed his girlfriend here.
 
2013-03-24 07:24:15 PM
It doesn't matter what country you're in.  Young males in poor neighborhoods commit crimes are a disproportionately high rate.  Race doesn't make someone a criminal, but with so many young black males growing up in poverty it's hardly surprising that they would have more criminals in their midst and as a result attract the attentions of law enforcement.  The legacy of mistrust between blacks and the police due to their role in subjugating black people is also a factor here.
 
2013-03-24 07:26:25 PM
"The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

entertainnow.net
 
2013-03-24 07:28:39 PM
Young black men are not the criminals. It is clearly middle aged white women who are committing these acts.
 
2013-03-24 07:28:50 PM
Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?
 
2013-03-24 07:30:41 PM

Hokkaido_Crying: "The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

[entertainnow.net image 700x392]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-24 07:31:12 PM

Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.


pictures.mastermarf.com

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.
 
2013-03-24 07:31:18 PM

Takeshi6400: It doesn't matter what country you're in.  Young males in poor neighborhoods commit crimes are a disproportionately high rate.  Race doesn't make someone a criminal, but with so many young black males growing up in poverty it's hardly surprising that they would have more criminals in their midst and as a result attract the attentions of law enforcement.  The legacy of mistrust between blacks and the police due to their role in subjugating black people is also a factor here.


It's not just poverty, it's also culture.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:05 PM

namatad: can we get his name and address and send him a lot of pizzas?
just this once?


My thought.

He also said that he told some teens whom he'd been ordered to issue a bogus summons, "they should take my name down and if they sue, they could use me as a witness."

Holy shiat, an honest and brave cop. Clearly the world will be ending soon.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:21 PM

1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?


We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:37 PM

lack of warmth: Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.


Yeah... that happens sometimes (you find out someone is racist that you really didn't think of that way). I'm a mutt... mix of many races. My wife and I don't have any limitations about what we would allow in our home from our kids when it comes to relationships/etc. They'll be with whomever they are with... it really isn't up for us to decide. Besides... we don't ever want there to be a situation where our kids feel like they would need to hide things from us. I'm sure they will anyway on some level... but the less of that the better.
 
2013-03-24 07:33:56 PM

Hokkaido_Crying: "The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx ..."

[entertainnow.net image 700x392]


He said he was nice to the chief.  Did what he said.  Chief wouldn't help him arrest criminals.  Last heard muttering, "fark you Jobu, I'll do it myself" as he walked to his squad car.
 
2013-03-24 07:34:59 PM

1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?


re:re:fwd:re: FBI CRIME STATISTICS
 
2013-03-24 07:35:46 PM

rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.


I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.
 
2013-03-24 07:37:37 PM

freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.


As an eastern european, I find your concept of hating each other over color "quaint".
 
2013-03-24 07:38:44 PM

JohnnyC: lack of warmth: Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

Yeah... that happens sometimes (you find out someone is racist that you really didn't think of that way). I'm a mutt... mix of many races. My wife and I don't have any limitations about what we would allow in our home from our kids when it comes to relationships/etc. They'll be with whomever they are with... it really isn't up for us to decide. Besides... we don't ever want there to be a situation where our kids feel like they would need to hide things from us. I'm sure they will anyway on some level... but the less of that the better.


AHEM.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

"Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!

Black ass momma, (black ass momma), white ass daddy, (white ass daddy)!

Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!"
 
2013-03-24 07:41:35 PM

freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.


2045, baby. That's when it's predicted white people will be a minority in the US.
 
2013-03-24 07:41:54 PM

hardinparamedic: JohnnyC: lack of warmth: Last week, I was alone with a coworker during a break and as we chatted about what we would allow in our homes from our kids; he mentioned he wouldn't allow a mix marriage.  He did admit that it may make him a racist, before I stated a rebuttal.  Not much else you can do with those old dudes.  I was saddened to find this out about the guy.

Yeah... that happens sometimes (you find out someone is racist that you really didn't think of that way). I'm a mutt... mix of many races. My wife and I don't have any limitations about what we would allow in our home from our kids when it comes to relationships/etc. They'll be with whomever they are with... it really isn't up for us to decide. Besides... we don't ever want there to be a situation where our kids feel like they would need to hide things from us. I'm sure they will anyway on some level... but the less of that the better.

AHEM.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 180x195]

"Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!

Black ass momma, (black ass momma), white ass daddy, (white ass daddy)!

Mulatto butts, (mulatto butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)! Black and white butts, (black and white butts), mulatto butts, (mulatto butts)!"


"Well you/re black...ish. What's the word for it Lana, you freaked out when I said quadroon!"

/best comedy on TV
 
2013-03-24 07:45:09 PM

fusillade762: 2045, baby. That's when it's predicted white people will be a minority in the US.


Then my grandkids can get into Harvard on a minority status. Cool.
/Who am I kidding, the Supreme Court will move the goalposts before then.
 
2013-03-24 07:46:09 PM

hardinparamedic: AHEM.


Haha... I farking love Archer. That show is incredible. :D
 
2013-03-24 07:46:27 PM

fusillade762: freewill: rkiller1: 1stgenwhtrash: Whole lot of Stormfront up in this thread. Can someone send me the re:re:re:fwd:re:re:fwd subject line that summoned you here?

We're trying to mix black and white and come up with gray but having difficulties.  Until the world melds into a single "Race of Tan" such ramblings will continue.

I would like to volunteer my services in merging my intense Scots-Irish whiteness into all the colors of the rainbow.

2045, baby. That's when it's predicted white people will be a minority in the US.


This is awesome. In a world where minorities are the new majority, the men of the new minority will seem exotic and dangerous.

/ Once you go white... something that rhymes with white happens.
// Then again, I'll be 60. I should probably just buy a motorcycle.
 
2013-03-24 07:48:38 PM
Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.
 
2013-03-24 07:49:46 PM

BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.


Que?
 
2013-03-24 07:51:36 PM

mjbok: If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are.  If it happened in the South...same thing:  "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York."  Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.


The Bronx is hardly "the capital of understanding and forward thinking."

/Here's another hint: Times Square is a tourist trap that only 'tards from flyover country care about.
 
2013-03-24 07:53:17 PM

Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?


You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.
 
2013-03-24 07:54:06 PM

lack of warmth: Arthur Jumbles: He should have just said stop and frisk any male teenager and the policy would have been just about as effective. Teenage males are assholes and its society's job to keep them in line. We used to have rituals that did the job..... war games, tests of strength and endurance, vision questions, and the like that helped to keep the worst in check.

I could go along with this.  Might as well frisk any girls with them that open their mouths.

/We have to stop these yutes in their tracks



Uh... did you say "yutes"?
 
2013-03-24 07:54:11 PM

hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.



Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.


Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.
 
2013-03-24 07:55:37 PM

Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.


You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.
 
2013-03-24 07:55:55 PM

JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.

This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.


I dont know what to make of it. I mean, the highest numbers of hate groups are in California and Florida, both blue states. But i wouldnt start to build an arguemtn around something as meaningless as a "hate map." Mostly because I dont know what qualifies as a "hate group" these days. The CDC says I'm a rapist because I've had sex with a girld who has had a drink. Since she had a drink, she cant give consent, thus makign me a rapist.
 
2013-03-24 07:57:30 PM
This is hardly news.
BAZINGA!
I'm from Mississippi and everyone there knows that racism is much more rampant in the northern cities and states.
BAZINGA!
/Carpetbaggers living in the south are generally much more racist than those people born there.
BAZINGA!
 
2013-03-24 07:58:43 PM

redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

 
2013-03-24 07:59:05 PM

BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?

You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.


Derpy derpy derrrr
 
2013-03-24 07:59:14 PM

Gdalescrboz: JohnnyC

Gdalescrboz: in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast.

This might help get you started with your argument... Well, not really help with your initial argument, but it could help you start from a more informed position on the subject.


I dont know what to make of it. I mean, the highest numbers of hate groups are in California and Florida, both blue states. But i wouldnt start to build an arguemtn around something as meaningless as a "hate map." Mostly because I dont know what qualifies as a "hate group" these days. The CDC says I'm a rapist because I've had sex with a girld who has had a drink. Since she had a drink, she cant give consent, thus makign me a rapist.


The important thing is that you are the real victim here.
 
2013-03-24 08:01:11 PM
Gdalescrboz: I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?

Feel free to call whatever you like. Arguing from your gut is apparently not a good idea for you since it hasn't brought you to a correct assumption yet, but okay. Also, nice strawman you're trying to build there.


JohnnyC:
You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.


You were saying somethign about "arguing from your gut?"
 
2013-03-24 08:01:20 PM

Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?

You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.

Derpy derpy derrrr


Sterling rebuttal. I would apologize for touching a nerve, but I'm not sorry.
 
2013-03-24 08:03:08 PM

BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Silly Jesus: BSABSVR: Smells like VDare in here.

/And this thread will seem downright intellectual once the Zimmerman trial starts.

Que?

You imagine yourself smart, puzzle it out.

Derpy derpy derrrr

Sterling rebuttal. I would apologize for touching a nerve, but I'm not sorry.


Hurrrrr Durrrr
 
2013-03-24 08:05:02 PM

Pick: To be fair most of the people in the Sheriff's "Mugshot Roundup" tend to be.....well, you know.

/ facts is facts


That doesn't mean you get to make assumptions. The day they build a black Terminator whose only directive is to wreak havoc, sure, you can profile. Until then, no. JoeBob the Yellow-Tooth Mullet doesn't get profiled on a hot Alabama Saturday night, so what's the difference here?

Oh, and being a Southerner (well, a New Orleanian, which really isn't the South but still...) I'm always irritated at the idea that it's only we retards capable of repugnant cultural behavior. I've lived all around the country for at least brief periods, and this sh*t is everywhere. So to all of you in California and New York - perhaps it's time to stop sniffing your own farts.
 
2013-03-24 08:05:31 PM
A Farker from the South points and laughs as uppity Farkers from the Coasts & Northern states assume that most people  are racists in a) rural Georgia b) small town in Mississippi c) the Bronx
 
2013-03-24 08:06:13 PM

redmid17: You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.


Well off the top of my head, the South has the highest black % of population.
 
2013-03-24 08:06:43 PM

redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.


Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.
 
2013-03-24 08:07:34 PM

rkiller1: Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?


Not really institutional racism, but the 10 most segregated cities in the US are almost exclusively in the North, with the exception of LA.
 
2013-03-24 08:09:46 PM

Elegy: redmid17: Elegy: hardinparamedic: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Please tell us more about this "fact". Because I kinda live in that area where it's "not as bad", and if you think that, you've never met a small town cop.

Look at the thread again. I provided not one but two different sources upthread. Both of those sources provide their own sources. Sorry your personal experience differs, something something anectdotal not statistics etcetera.

You also didn't normalize any of the statistics presented so not really.

Normalize how? The report I cited relie on ratios of convictions per 100,000 population.

If you're talking about more esoteric statistical manipulation, that doesn't help either, at least for the Midwest.

And lastly, if you have better data than the multiple well-sourced reports, maps, and articles that I am linking to, whip it out and show me, big boy.


I was just bringing up a point someone else brought up to you that you neglected to address. The per 100K also doesn't adjust for the percentage of population, but I'm sure you know that.
 
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