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(Opposing Views)   It's hard to attach a dollar amount to a police car ramming into two guys on a dirt bike, unless you're a lawyer. Spoiler: It's $100 million   (opposingviews.com) divider line 18
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7701 clicks; posted to Main » on 24 Mar 2013 at 5:58 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-03-24 06:04:46 PM  
3 votes:
Oh ffs. Did ANYONE watch the vid? The suspects drove the bike RIGHT OUT into traffic in front of the officer, who had 0 chance to slow down enough to not hit them. Nice try for the payoff for the scumbag lawyer though. Here is an idea, have a farking drivers license, register your vehicle, and if the cops are after you, a bad idea would be to pull suddenly in front of them trying to get away, and getting your stupid ass killed. Blaming the police for your retardation seems to be a common practice now days.
2013-03-24 02:58:28 PM  
3 votes:
That cop had to be going at least 50 when he hit those two on the dirtbike.

TuteTibiImperes: The first time the police cruiser hit the guy on the bike seems to be the cop's fault - he could have tried to pull him over without ramming the bike.  The second time after the guy runs and jumps on the back of the other bike is on two guys running away - if you get hurt/killed trying to flee the police that's on you.


The cop isn't Judge farking Dredd.  He doesn't get to decide who dies because of a couple of stupid kids on a goddamn dirtbike.
2013-03-24 02:53:23 PM  
2 votes:
Could have just as easily cut them off, then the slow momentum of the bike would have stopped them with little to no harm. But I guess you're right, if you run from police, you deserve to die.
2013-03-24 11:00:49 PM  
1 votes:

asynchron: People may argue that PDs are already understaffed, but they should consider that maybe if less LEOs were crooks and a-holes.... we might not need as many. Like in Apocalypse Now: "What we need is fewer men, and better."


That's really my view on it.  If cops were smarter and less corrupt, they could actually prevent crime, rather than simply making a half-assed mess of trying to catch criminals after the fact.
2013-03-24 08:14:37 PM  
1 votes:
Prosecutors are always using cases to "set an example." If I'm ever a juror in a criminal case, my vote is 'not guilty' regardless of circumstances, just to set an example. Unless it's a cop on trial; then my vote is 'guilty' regardless of circumstances, just to set an example.
2013-03-24 07:29:39 PM  
1 votes:

rkiller1: I enjoyed reading those words you strung together.  Nice.  But are you really saying this is indeed my problem or not?/Really, I wanna know because if it's my problem I may have to fix something.


Depends on how you define "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."  If you define them as "If nothing bad happened to me, I live in paradise", then it's not your problem.  I'm pretty sure that wasn't what we had in mind when we nailed up a shingle for this country though, but so little is anymore.
2013-03-24 07:26:53 PM  
1 votes:
Can someone please link the video that y'all are watching, where the 2 bike riders went on a 70 mph crime spree thru a Farmer's Market before being brought down by a 4'8" policewoman on rollerskates?

Because the video *I* just watched showed a 3000 lb car turn left on an *empty street* into a small motorcycle where driver and passenger weren't wearing helmets. No "accident", no "They were reckless and crashed into something, killing themselves in the process". If the police car had not turned into them, there is a good chance that no one would have been hurt. Looks like the policeman decided this chase was gonna stop right there, no matter what injuries they might sustain.

Did someone at least have the sense to plant some drugs or kiddee porn on the body before everyone else showed up?
2013-03-24 07:15:35 PM  
1 votes:

GizmoToy: The fact that he also rammed them a second time (purposefully or not), ultimately killing one and injuring the other, only makes the situation more clear.


What about the clarity of a man dying in a minor traffic collision? That's why you're supposed to wear safety gear and keep off the road on dirt bikes. The motocross guys slam into the ground at 90 mph, bounce twice, and get right back on the bike. Why? They choose their gear and track properly.
2013-03-24 06:56:08 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Dragonflew: TuteTibiImperes: If the cop was purposefully trying to run them down and hurt/kill them that would be wrong, but if it was an accident, which is what the investigation found, yeah, it's the criminals fault.

So you are saying that both times the cop rammed the dirtbikes were accidents?

No, the first time looked like it might have been intentional, which as I already said would be wrong.  The second time was the one that caused the problem though, and that was caused directly by the guy not just taking his ticket and deciding to run instead.


So you're riding your bike, and a cop comes up behind you and deliberately rams into you.  Clearly this guy, cop or not, is out to harm you.  I'd suspect a fair portion of the population would be afraid for their lives and choose to run.  It's a basic self-preservation instinct.   Obviously running from cops is a bad idea, but this one already tried to kill you over a minor traffic violation.  I can understand the mindset of someone trying to get away from that.

The officer triggered this situation by ramming a bike, and IMO that makes him responsible   The fact that he also rammed them a second time (purposefully or not), ultimately killing one and injuring the other, only makes the situation more clear.
2013-03-24 06:32:18 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-24 06:31:11 PM  
1 votes:

itsanillusionmichael: They were NOT on the bike when they were run down...they were running away on foot. Makes it a bit different, I think.


There's a video in the link.
2013-03-24 06:29:45 PM  
1 votes:
The police, as of yet, are not assigned judge, jury or executioner. They should do whatever it takes to bring the alleged perpetrator into custody and nothing more. If they cannot do that without risking human lives, they need to back off.
2013-03-24 06:08:46 PM  
1 votes:
If these guys were part of the crew that I see flying up 1st ave every now and again, I am not surprised.  Twice now I have seen them.  It is a swarm of about 30-40 dirtbikes and tricked-out quads heading up toward harlem.  They zip in and out of traffic popping wheelies, running red lights, and jumping up on sidewalks.  It looks suicidal (and fun as hell) but I have yet to see one smeared under the M-15 yet.
2013-03-24 03:38:24 PM  
1 votes:

BunkyBrewman: The cop isn't Judge farking Dredd.  He doesn't get to decide who dies because of a couple of stupid kids on a goddamn dirtbike.


panfried: Crime? No tags or helmet, evading police. The cop didn't know why the kids where running, only that they where. Best to kill them, just in case.


FTA: Eddie Fernandez, 28, died in the Aug. 11 collision. Adalberto Gonzalez, 27, was injured and arrested.
2013-03-24 03:29:51 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: panfried: Could have just as easily cut them off, then the slow momentum of the bike would have stopped them with little to no harm. But I guess you're right, if you run from police, you deserve to die.

I never said that, but the guy running escalated the situation.  If he had just stayed put in the first place all he would have had to deal with would have been a ticket for no tags/registration and improper equipment. He decided to try to run, which is what put him in the position to be injured or worse.

The police officer says he wasn't trying to ram them, that he just lost control.  Seeing as he did run into the first guy first though, that might be a stretch.  The survivor in the crash should be on the hook for his friends death (as it occurred during his commission of a crime) and the police officer probably needs some driving lessons and anger management classes.


Crime?  No tags or helmet, evading police.  The cop didn't know why the kids where running, only that they where.  Best to kill them, just in case.
2013-03-24 03:03:05 PM  
1 votes:

panfried: Could have just as easily cut them off, then the slow momentum of the bike would have stopped them with little to no harm. But I guess you're right, if you run from police, you deserve to die.


I never said that, but the guy running escalated the situation.  If he had just stayed put in the first place all he would have had to deal with would have been a ticket for no tags/registration and improper equipment. He decided to try to run, which is what put him in the position to be injured or worse.

The police officer says he wasn't trying to ram them, that he just lost control.  Seeing as he did run into the first guy first though, that might be a stretch.  The survivor in the crash should be on the hook for his friends death (as it occurred during his commission of a crime) and the police officer probably needs some driving lessons and anger management classes.
2013-03-24 02:11:40 PM  
1 votes:
The first time the police cruiser hit the guy on the bike seems to be the cop's fault - he could have tried to pull him over without ramming the bike.  The second time after the guy runs and jumps on the back of the other bike is on two guys running away - if you get hurt/killed trying to flee the police that's on you.
2013-03-24 02:03:47 PM  
1 votes:
After the cruiser body slammed those guys, fellow cops moved in for the pre-requisite beatdown, but found they could do no further harm to the two piles of mangled flesh.  good one lived, but this civil action will go nowhere in his favor. I hope he learned not to ride with no license/helmet again.
 
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