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2013-03-24 03:21:11 PM
FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."


These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.
 
2013-03-24 03:27:27 PM

James F. Campbell: FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."

These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.


THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.
 
2013-03-24 03:42:20 PM

James F. Campbell: FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."

These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.


The same can be said about the religion itself.

/ex-Mormon
 
2013-03-24 04:01:38 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: The same can be said about the religion itself.


Well, yes. Mormonism is low-hanging fruit as far as "kooky superstitions to mock" goes. This musical's like the Dane Cook of satire.
 
2013-03-24 05:41:16 PM

James F. Campbell: These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.


Pretentious

Benevolent Misanthrope: James F. Campbell: FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."

These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.

THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.


Snobs.
 
2013-03-24 05:49:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: James F. Campbell: FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."

These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.

THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.


Because they aren't afraid to make fun of anything or anyone in our boring PC society AND are funny as Hell?
 
xcv
2013-03-24 05:53:57 PM
NEW YORK (AP) - The seemingly unstoppable hit "The Book of Mormon" has broken another record - this time on the other side of the Atlantic.
The quirky, profane musical opened Thursday night to some critical bashing, but the next day earned the highest one-day gross in London theater history.


Between 10 a.m. and midnight Friday, 2,107,972 million pounds ($3.2 million) worth of tickets were sold at the box office, according to final figures. By comparison, the Broadway version only earned $1.5 million the day after it opened to rapturous reviews.

Don't care about the show or the creatures, but I do like the disharmony between British theater audiences and London critics.
 
2013-03-24 05:54:03 PM
The most important paragraph is the last one of the article.
 
2013-03-24 05:54:49 PM
Really?  When did it become hip to hate on the two guys who have actually been funny and smart recently?

/meanwhile Seth McFarlane is still somehow employed
 
2013-03-24 05:57:02 PM

TheJoe03: James F. Campbell: These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.

Pretentious

Benevolent Misanthrope: James F. Campbell: FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."

These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.

THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Snobs.


well I never...
 
2013-03-24 05:57:12 PM

kukukupo: Really?  When did it become hip to hate on the two guys who have actually been funny and smart recently?

/meanwhile Seth McFarlane is still somehow employed


The same folks that don't realize that the smug jokes were aimed at them.
 
2013-03-24 05:59:16 PM
Hasa dega eebowai.
 
2013-03-24 06:00:58 PM

xcv: NEW YORK (AP) - The seemingly unstoppable hit "The Book of Mormon" has broken another record - this time on the other side of the Atlantic.
The quirky, profane musical opened Thursday night to some critical bashing, but the next day earned the highest one-day gross in London theater history.


Between 10 a.m. and midnight Friday, 2,107,972 million pounds ($3.2 million) worth of tickets were sold at the box office, according to final figures. By comparison, the Broadway version only earned $1.5 million the day after it opened to rapturous reviews.

Don't care about the show or the creatures, but I do like the disharmony between British theater audiences and London critics.


So, pretty much all critics, everywhere? Critics review things on a technical scale, which usually doesn't translate to 'is this good and fun to watch'.  It's why they're mostly useless unless you're the type who goes into a screening with a rabid hard-on for the cinematographer and foley artist.
 
2013-03-24 06:05:01 PM
I sincerely doubt a play with "Don't fark the baby" as a featured song is something red state America is clamoring for.
 
2013-03-24 06:10:32 PM
Meh.

I'll go to one or two Broadway shows a year in NYC -- I always end up getting free tickets from someone.

90% of what I see is grossly overrated. In the musicals the singing is almost always shrill and thin (the days of full orchestras and no mic'd singers are long gone); in the plays great acting is considered shouting really loud. The only reason Broadway shows make so much and people rave about them is because everyone is so determined to have a good time. As an example, I saw Other Desert Cities last year and people were laughing at everything regardless if it was a joke. And when there were jokes, they received thunderous applause as if it was a standup comedy show.
 
2013-03-24 06:13:12 PM
Uh-oh. Stone and Parker don't like it when you call them conservative. Or liberal, or libertarian, or basically anything other than superawesomist with a minor in too edgy for you so shut up.

Of course, most of their "controversial" stuff isn't really all that controversial. There's a pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church? Wow, thanks Trey and Matt. Never would have noticed otherwise. Racism is bad? Gripping stuff, thanks for braving the wrath of the PC police on that one. America is a litigious society? [areyouawizard.jpg]

So, on second thought, they're probably loving this.
 
2013-03-24 06:21:20 PM
Sounds like the critic needs to man up
 
2013-03-24 06:21:38 PM
Eh I laugh at Parker and Stone's work for the most part, but all the folks pretending they make deep observations or lambaste things others wouldn't dare to is kidding themselves
That goes double for people who quote them in political discussions.
 
2013-03-24 06:27:20 PM
They'd probably blast Avenue Q over the lack of expression on the casts' face.
 
2013-03-24 06:30:50 PM
So what's the difference between a hipster and a critic?
 
2013-03-24 06:31:40 PM

xcv: Don't care about the show or the creatures, but I do like the disharmony between British theater audiences and London critics.


The other staggering thing is the difference between the money to be made in the theater in London vs. Manhattan.
 
2013-03-24 06:42:44 PM

Summoner101: So what's the difference between a hipster and a critic?


well one's fat and looks like jay Sherman
 
2013-03-24 06:46:08 PM
The last South Park that I enjoyed was the Imaginationland 3-parter. Other than that their recent stuff has been pretty lame.


TheJoe03: THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Snobs.


It insists upon itself.
 
2013-03-24 06:47:46 PM
Name for me one comedian who hits with every joke and I'll call you a liar.
 
2013-03-24 06:48:11 PM
Thot's Bwit cwitics for you!  A- HAW!
 
2013-03-24 06:50:16 PM

VTGremlin: Name for me one comedian who hits with every joke and I'll call you a liar.


media.mlive.com
 
2013-03-24 06:51:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zDi7ZT-aBw

South Park has been pretty terrible lately, but this "Scauses" scene was fantastic.
 
2013-03-24 06:51:47 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-24 06:58:12 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: VTGremlin: Name for me one comedian who hits with every joke and I'll call you a liar.

[media.mlive.com image 380x491]


The thing people forget about Gallagher is that he had to do 45 minutes of material BEFORE he started smashing melons.  I'm not saying it was good material, but it wasn't just "Hi, folks!  Let's get out the sledge-o-matic and go to town for an hour."

/child of the 80s
//remembers getting excited when Showtime would air a new Gallager special
///http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcVb3u22DWc <--the best thing Showtime ran in the 80s
 
2013-03-24 07:08:52 PM

Mulchpuppy: StreetlightInTheGhetto: VTGremlin: Name for me one comedian who hits with every joke and I'll call you a liar.

[media.mlive.com image 380x491]

The thing people forget about Gallagher is that he had to do 45 minutes of material BEFORE he started smashing melons.  I'm not saying it was good material, but it wasn't just "Hi, folks!  Let's get out the sledge-o-matic and go to town for an hour."

/child of the 80s
//remembers getting excited when Showtime would air a new Gallager special
///http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcVb3u22DWc <--the best thing Showtime ran in the 80s


I saw Gallagher live once circa 2000's. He was WAY more foul-mouthed and edgy than I'd expected from seeing him on TV.
 
2013-03-24 07:11:27 PM

Mulchpuppy: StreetlightInTheGhetto: VTGremlin: Name for me one comedian who hits with every joke and I'll call you a liar.

[media.mlive.com image 380x491]

The thing people forget about Gallagher is that he had to do 45 minutes of material BEFORE he started smashing melons.  I'm not saying it was good material, but it wasn't just "Hi, folks!  Let's get out the sledge-o-matic and go to town for an hour."

/child of the 80s
//remembers getting excited when Showtime would air a new Gallager special
///http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcVb3u22DWc <--the best thing Showtime ran in the 80s


For the love of all that's holy, don't ask Where Is He Now.
 
2013-03-24 07:17:05 PM
I heard Gallagher is super racist and Republican these days.
 
2013-03-24 07:24:40 PM

fusillade762: The last South Park that I enjoyed was the Imaginationland 3-parter. Other than that their recent stuff has been pretty lame.


TheJoe03: THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Snobs.

It insists upon itself.


What exactly do you mean when you claim it insists upon itself? Some douche trots this little chestnut out every now and then and it has become as useless as "it is what it is" so please clarify what you mean by that. Or is it safe to assume you wanted to appear edgy so you used the most common, smug and meaningless thing you could vomit forth and not have to come up with an actual valid and defensible opinion?
 
2013-03-24 07:26:26 PM
I'm sure Trey and Matt don't care. Any press is good press and such. Maybe some of the jokes just don't translate well to British sensibilities either, since it does play heavily on the current American zeitgeist.

Mulchpuppy: ///http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcVb3u22DWc <--the best thing Showtime ran in the 80s


Thought the link was going to be some of the Super Dave Osborne specials that used to be on Showtime.
/will have to check it out later
 
2013-03-24 07:26:53 PM
And the Guardian's Michael Billington judged it "mildly amusing. ... a safe, conservative show for middle America."

Those were my exact words too.

thornhill:

In the musicals the singing is almost always shrill and thin (the days of full orchestras and no mic'd singers are long gone); in the plays great acting is considered shouting really loud.

Learn stuff:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870459770457448715307935 0 302.html
(sorry, cannot link to WSJ articles)
 
2013-03-24 07:30:48 PM

TheJoe03: I heard Gallagher is super racist and Republican these days.


Gallagher or Gallagher II?
 
2013-03-24 07:31:56 PM
T.M.S.: And the Guardian's Michael Billington judged it "mildly amusing. ... a safe, conservative show for middle America."

Those were my exact words too.


Wait, when has "fark you God in your ass, mouth, and coont" been "middle America safe" much less "conservative?"
 
2013-03-24 07:32:05 PM

titwrench: What exactly do you mean when you claim it insists upon itself? Some douche trots this little chestnut out every now and then and it has become as useless as "it is what it is" so please clarify what you mean by that. Or is it safe to assume you wanted to appear edgy so you used the most common, smug and meaningless thing you could vomit forth and not have to come up with an actual valid and defensible opinion?


I'm pretty sure it's a joke from Family Guy about why Peter didn't like the Godfather movies. I think it's more of a mockery of pretentious people than anything else.
 
2013-03-24 07:32:58 PM

StrikitRich: Gallagher or Gallagher II?


Black Gallagher of course.
 
2013-03-24 07:34:16 PM

TheJoe03: titwrench: What exactly do you mean when you claim it insists upon itself? Some douche trots this little chestnut out every now and then and it has become as useless as "it is what it is" so please clarify what you mean by that. Or is it safe to assume you wanted to appear edgy so you used the most common, smug and meaningless thing you could vomit forth and not have to come up with an actual valid and defensible opinion?

I'm pretty sure it's a joke from Family Guy about why Peter didn't like the Godfather movies. I think it's more of a mockery of pretentious people than anything else.


This. Pull that wrench off your tit, it's making you cranky.
 
HBK
2013-03-24 07:39:35 PM

titwrench: fusillade762: The last South Park that I enjoyed was the Imaginationland 3-parter. Other than that their recent stuff has been pretty lame.


TheJoe03: THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Snobs.

It insists upon itself.

What exactly do you mean when you claim it insists upon itself? Some douche trots this little chestnut out every now and then and it has become as useless as "it is what it is" so please clarify what you mean by that. Or is it safe to assume you wanted to appear edgy so you used the most common, smug and meaningless thing you could vomit forth and not have to come up with an actual valid and defensible opinion?


No, it's more likely that he's a moron quoting Family Guy.
 
2013-03-24 07:41:41 PM

StrikitRich: Benevolent Misanthrope: James F. Campbell: FTA: the Daily Telegraph's Charles Spencer said "its mixture of satire and syrup ultimately proves repellent."

Daily Mail critic Quentin Letts was even less enthusiastic: "I tired of it after 10 minutes."

Reviewers were full of praise for stars Gavin Creel and Jared Gertner as the young missionaries Elder Price and Elder Cunningham. Libby Purves in The Times loved the "big belting numbers, witty lyrics and joyfully athletic dances," but was troubled by the show's message.

She said the musical, "beneath its jollity, is morally null and - without seeming to notice it - racist."

These are accurate descriptions that could be applied to any of the vacuous banality that Stone and Parker typically produce.

THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Because they aren't afraid to make fun of anything or anyone in our boring PC society AND are funny as Hell?


<shrug>  Each to his own.  I don't see it.  Completely un-funny, to my mind.  Oh look!  We talked about poo!  Ooo! Ooo!  Look!  We made a racist comment!

Meh.  But then, I never did like obnoxious tween boys and their efforts to shock.  So there's that.
 
2013-03-24 07:43:08 PM
Mormons are a race now?

/the more you know..
 
2013-03-24 07:43:15 PM

StrikitRich: kukukupo: Really?  When did it become hip to hate on the two guys who have actually been funny and smart recently?

/meanwhile Seth McFarlane is still somehow employed

The same folks that don't realize that the smug jokes were aimed at them.


Ah! An 'Emperor's New Clothes' rebuttal!
 
2013-03-24 07:49:55 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh look!  We talked about poo!  Ooo! Ooo!  Look!  We made a racist comment!


You have a simple mind.
 
2013-03-24 07:50:43 PM

titwrench: fusillade762: The last South Park that I enjoyed was the Imaginationland 3-parter. Other than that their recent stuff has been pretty lame.


TheJoe03: THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Snobs.

It insists upon itself.

What exactly do you mean when you claim it insists upon itself? Some douche trots this little chestnut out every now and then and it has become as useless as "it is what it is" so please clarify what you mean by that. Or is it safe to assume you wanted to appear edgy so you used the most common, smug and meaningless thing you could vomit forth and not have to come up with an actual valid and defensible opinion?


It's a Family Guy reference. Lighten up, Francis
 
2013-03-24 07:52:12 PM
Is it just me or do Farkers seem more irritable today than usual?
 
2013-03-24 07:53:07 PM

fusillade762: Is it just me or do Farkers seem more irritable today than usual?


It's that time of the month when the local mart is in between shipments of outrage so they have to create their own.
 
2013-03-24 08:01:24 PM

babysealclubber: titwrench: fusillade762: The last South Park that I enjoyed was the Imaginationland 3-parter. Other than that their recent stuff has been pretty lame.


TheJoe03: THIS.  I have never understood why anyone enjoys their stuff. Maybe for shock value at first, but now its just tired.

Snobs.

It insists upon itself.

What exactly do you mean when you claim it insists upon itself? Some douche trots this little chestnut out every now and then and it has become as useless as "it is what it is" so please clarify what you mean by that. Or is it safe to assume you wanted to appear edgy so you used the most common, smug and meaningless thing you could vomit forth and not have to come up with an actual valid and defensible opinion?

It's a Family Guy reference. Lighten up, Francis


He's so smart and cool that he doesn't understand common references from TV shows that have been on for more than a decade.
 
2013-03-24 08:03:02 PM

TheJoe03: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh look!  We talked about poo!  Ooo! Ooo!  Look!  We made a racist comment!

You have a simple mind.


Please do explain to me, then, the deep sociological and literary complexities of South Park.
 
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