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2013-03-24 04:03:19 PM  
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2013-03-24 04:36:44 PM  
Wait - so, a business model based on an ephemeral hipster trend doesn't withstand reality? Color me shocked!

FTA: "How they portrayed my character in the show, they made a complete lie up and I can never repair what they did to my reputation." said Fisher, "I lost contracts, a lot of business."

What "character"? You played yourself...

FTA:  Fischer says taxes, an overloaded restaurant market, and a sluggish economy all factored in the closing. The show's portrayal of her just proved to be the icing on the cupcake.

Ah. Got it. Scapegoat. What you really discovered is that you can't run a friggin' business, and needed something else to blame. You attempted to exploit a niche market, one manufactured by a fickle social group, and when it collapsed, you had little else on which to fall back. The fact that you also made a fool of yourself on a television show didn't help, but that's not what trashed your business.

Jesus, sack up, already.
 
2013-03-24 04:44:21 PM  
Some businesses are owned by wealthy wives wishing to pass the time. Antique shops that are never open, chic clothing shoppes that require appointments one can never seem to get. You want to make money open a Hardware Store in the right location with a knowledgeable staff and stay open late seven days a week. Trendy businesses that won't last the life of a 5 year storefront rental contract are for idiots.
 
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2013-03-24 05:01:36 PM  

KrispyKritter: Some businesses are owned by wealthy wives wishing to pass the time. Antique shops that are never open, chic clothing shoppes that require appointments one can never seem to get. You want to make money open a Hardware Store in the right location with a knowledgeable staff and stay open late seven days a week. Trendy businesses that won't last the life of a 5 year storefront rental contract are for idiots.


Great idea! Okay, so I'm gonna open "Hipster Hardware" in an up-and-coming neighborhood. The staff will all wear glasses... but you won't be able to tell if they're legitimate safety glasses or ironic Buddy Holly-style glasses. Naturally they'll all have beards, plaid/flannel uniforms, with well-worn skinny jeans.

"Yeah. That wood is ipe -- you've probably never heard of it. It's like the best there is, but it's so not sustainable."
 
2013-03-24 05:11:57 PM  
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2013-03-24 05:22:56 PM  
I'd say it jumped the shark when it was the job of the lead chick in "Bridesmaids," to show how cool and quirky she was.
 
2013-03-24 05:30:55 PM  
They had a problem getting rid of the stumps?
 
2013-03-24 05:51:24 PM  
I never understand this trend with mini food. Pizza Hut is now making tiny pizzas. The personal pan is smaller than a paper plate already. How much tinier must they go.

But they try to make drinks tiny in NY and everyone loses their mind.
 
2013-03-24 06:09:17 PM  
You mean artisanal lemon cupcakes with locally-sourced, organic nutmeg and raw-milk buttercream frosting were just a fad??
 
2013-03-24 06:27:03 PM  

FormlessOne: Wait - so, a business model based on an ephemeral hipster trend doesn't withstand reality? Color me shocked!

FTA: "How they portrayed my character in the show, they made a complete lie up and I can never repair what they did to my reputation." said Fisher, "I lost contracts, a lot of business."

What "character"? You played yourself...

FTA:  Fischer says taxes, an overloaded restaurant market, and a sluggish economy all factored in the closing. The show's portrayal of her just proved to be the icing on the cupcake.

Ah. Got it. Scapegoat. What you really discovered is that you can't run a friggin' business, and needed something else to blame. You attempted to exploit a niche market, one manufactured by a fickle social group, and when it collapsed, you had little else on which to fall back. The fact that you also made a fool of yourself on a television show didn't help, but that's not what trashed your business.

Jesus, sack up, already.


While I don't doubt your critique of her business acumen, the "you played yourself" comment is a bit naive.

Any reality show has hours and hours of footage to cram into a 23 or 48 minute (approx) package for TV. Sometimes nothing TV worthy happens in all those hours. No drama, no crying, no breakdowns, no yelling etc. So they create it. they take a small innocent occurrence that both in or out of context is completely benign, and they create a new context for it out of all those hours of footage.

They overlay audio from early that morning to a shot from the afternoon. They juxtapose shots that have nothing to do with each other and they create something out of nothing. If the producer is good, they choose "roles" for every person to fill early on regardless of what they're really like, and they edit with that bias throughout the entire season.  Sometimes they'll flip the bias if they want a redemption story. There are no villains or heroes or conflict of any sort, but they have a TV show to sell so they create them.

It is 100% plausible that the producers decided to make her a villain and make it appear that she somehow cheated her way through a challenge.

That being said... her business model was selling cupcakes. The world will not weep for the loss of her store.
 
2013-03-24 06:34:31 PM  

FormlessOne: Wait - so, a business model based on an ephemeral hipster trend doesn't withstand reality? Color me shocked!

FTA: "How they portrayed my character in the show, they made a complete lie up and I can never repair what they did to my reputation." said Fisher, "I lost contracts, a lot of business."

What "character"? You played yourself...

FTA:  Fischer says taxes, an overloaded restaurant market, and a sluggish economy all factored in the closing. The show's portrayal of her just proved to be the icing on the cupcake.

Ah. Got it. Scapegoat. What you really discovered is that you can't run a friggin' business, and needed something else to blame. You attempted to exploit a niche market, one manufactured by a fickle social group, and when it collapsed, you had little else on which to fall back. The fact that you also made a fool of yourself on a television show didn't help, but that's not what trashed your business.

Jesus, sack up, already.


so your saying that a network wouldn't change how a "reality" character is portrayed if it doesn't fit into how their view of a show goes?  I don't know the show at all, but i think its a bit premature for you tell a person they don't know how to run a business because every  business is unique and there is also a high turnover rate in the restaurant business.  I think also that your response is a schadenfreude attempt at projecting your failures in life on a reality show business, but then again i don't know anything about you so my projection would have to be an assumption.  Therefor, commenting on the fark is just a way for lots of people, including yours truely to elevate our self esteem in order that we try and make it in this world where everything is stacked up against you unless of course you are rich, then you really have to try to fark things up.

Peace!!!
 
2013-03-24 06:39:34 PM  
Breaking Bad Cupcakes

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2013-03-24 06:44:04 PM  
Cheer up, Cupcake.
You can still wait tables at Denny's
 
2013-03-24 06:58:51 PM  

mcne-00.vo.llnwd.netKrispyKritter: Some businesses are owned by wealthy wives wishing to pass the time. Antique shops that are never open, chic clothing shoppes that require appointments one can never seem to get. You want to make money open a Hardware Store in the right location with a knowledgeable staff and stay open late seven days a week. Trendy businesses that won't last the life of a 5 year storefront rental contract are for idiots.

 
2013-03-24 07:19:02 PM  

Malacon: FormlessOne: Wait - so, a business model based on an ephemeral hipster trend doesn't withstand reality? Color me shocked!

FTA: "How they portrayed my character in the show, they made a complete lie up and I can never repair what they did to my reputation." said Fisher, "I lost contracts, a lot of business."

What "character"? You played yourself...

FTA:  Fischer says taxes, an overloaded restaurant market, and a sluggish economy all factored in the closing. The show's portrayal of her just proved to be the icing on the cupcake.

Ah. Got it. Scapegoat. What you really discovered is that you can't run a friggin' business, and needed something else to blame. You attempted to exploit a niche market, one manufactured by a fickle social group, and when it collapsed, you had little else on which to fall back. The fact that you also made a fool of yourself on a television show didn't help, but that's not what trashed your business.

Jesus, sack up, already.

While I don't doubt your critique of her business acumen, the "you played yourself" comment is a bit naive.

Any reality show has hours and hours of footage to cram into a 23 or 48 minute (approx) package for TV. Sometimes nothing TV worthy happens in all those hours. No drama, no crying, no breakdowns, no yelling etc. So they create it. they take a small innocent occurrence that both in or out of context is completely benign, and they create a new context for it out of all those hours of footage.

They overlay audio from early that morning to a shot from the afternoon. They juxtapose shots that have nothing to do with each other and they create something out of nothing. If the producer is good, they choose "roles" for every person to fill early on regardless of what they're really like, and they edit with that bias throughout the entire season.  Sometimes they'll flip the bias if they want a redemption story. There are no villains or heroes or conflict of any sort, but they have a TV show to sell so they create them. ...


They did a really good job, then.

Ten minutes ago, I had no idea who Gretel Ann Fischer was.

Because of this thread I went looking.

Ten minutes from now, I will no longer care, but I thought I'd share the biatchiness of the Internet with y'all:

http://ronjamesitaliankitchen.blogspot.com/2013/02/gretel-ann-fische r- definitely-not-next.html

http://stitchesndishes.com/2013/02/culinary-101-or-sabotage-did-gret el -ann-fischer-cheat-her-way-to-the-top/

http://www.wptz.com/news/vermont-new-york/burlington/Vt-reality-show -s tar-I-received-death-threats/-/8869880/18545544/-/format/rsss_2.0/-/39 fjyu/-/index.html
 
2013-03-24 07:27:27 PM  
Some people like cupcakes exclusively......I for one care less for them

/reaches for an over-size chrome spoon to scoop up an intimate quantity of dried muffin remnants
//twisting the canvas snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil....
///prefers that prince of foods....
 
2013-03-24 07:38:40 PM  
 
2013-03-24 07:43:15 PM  

FormlessOne: ephemeral hipster trend d


funny enough around here you don't see hipsters very much at the cupcake places, but do see plenty of other people.
 
2013-03-24 07:55:51 PM  
good. I'm sick and farking tired of cupcakes. They're like the most stupid, easy to cook and bland cakes imaginable. At least, if you're going to have cakes, give me a farking millefeuille.
 
2013-03-24 08:16:46 PM  

KrispyKritter: You want to make money open a Hardware Store in the right location with a knowledgeable staff and stay open late seven days a week.


Really? Because all the businesses like that closed down and were replaced by Home Depot and Lowes. Unless you're using a different definition of "hardware".

The only hardware store I know of which isn't a bigbox is a tiny hole in the wall that's open about 4 hours a day in the heart of downtown. It mostly serves the plumbers who service the buildings in the area.
 
2013-03-24 08:19:50 PM  
The cupcake businesses can't go out of business soon enough for my taste.  $5 for a freaking cupcake?  Are you nuts?  Sure some of them are good, but that's just stupidly expensive.
 
2013-03-24 08:39:17 PM  

t3knomanser: KrispyKritter: You want to make money open a Hardware Store in the right location with a knowledgeable staff and stay open late seven days a week.

Really? Because all the businesses like that closed down and were replaced by Home Depot and Lowes. Unless you're using a different definition of "hardware".

The only hardware store I know of which isn't a bigbox is a tiny hole in the wall that's open about 4 hours a day in the heart of downtown. It mostly serves the plumbers who service the buildings in the area.


We have a couple of the old fashioned ones in the neighborhood.  A bit more expensive, but when you have a specific problem you need help with, they usually have the answer.  Also, they often have the weird stuff that you would have to special order at the big boxes.
 
2013-03-24 08:45:55 PM  
Yeah, the cupcake thing is weird. I mean, having a *bakery* is one thing, but a shop that sells ONLY cupcakes? How long can that last? Especially when they're pushing $2 (here in Iowa) each?

It's a novelty that people will tire of. Much like the proliferation of bagel shops in the nineties. They were EVERYWHERE, and then everyone had their fill of them, and they disappeared. Except in New York, of course.
 
2013-03-24 09:06:37 PM  

realmolo: Yeah, the cupcake thing is weird. I mean, having a *bakery* is one thing, but a shop that sells ONLY cupcakes? How long can that last? Especially when they're pushing $2 (here in Iowa) each?

It's a novelty that people will tire of. Much like the proliferation of bagel shops in the nineties. They were EVERYWHERE, and then everyone had their fill of them, and they disappeared. Except in New York, of course.


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2013-03-24 09:14:13 PM  

realmolo: Yeah, the cupcake thing is weird. I mean, having a *bakery* is one thing, but a shop that sells ONLY cupcakes? How long can that last? Especially when they're pushing $2 (here in Iowa) each?

It's a novelty that people will tire of. Much like the proliferation of bagel shops in the nineties. They were EVERYWHERE, and then everyone had their fill of them, and they disappeared. Except in New York, of course.


$2?  I haven't seen any cheaper than $3.99.  Sad thing is the cake wasn't that good, and there was as much frosting as cake.  If you get off on lots and lots of frosting, go for it I guess.
 
2013-03-24 09:22:46 PM  

Another Government Employee: t3knomanser: KrispyKritter: You want to make money open a Hardware Store in the right location with a knowledgeable staff and stay open late seven days a week.

Really? Because all the businesses like that closed down and were replaced by Home Depot and Lowes. Unless you're using a different definition of "hardware".

The only hardware store I know of which isn't a bigbox is a tiny hole in the wall that's open about 4 hours a day in the heart of downtown. It mostly serves the plumbers who service the buildings in the area.

We have a couple of the old fashioned ones in the neighborhood.  A bit more expensive, but when you have a specific problem you need help with, they usually have the answer.  Also, they often have the weird stuff that you would have to special order at the big boxes.


There was one like that in a neighborhood I used to live in a few years back. There were a lot of apartment buildings in the area, so I'm pretty sure they stayed in business selling paint, door locks, and pest control stuff to the local fix-it guys and apartment dwellers. There was a Home Despot a few miles down the road but I only went there if the local place didn't have what I needed since that particular HD was just relentlessly unpleasant.
 
2013-03-24 09:23:00 PM  
"Before the show, staff saw about 300 customers a day, rising to 500 over the course of the show.  But traffic dropped to about 150 a day as Gretel-Ann appeared to have cheated her way to a second place finish."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding that, but if you're getting 150 customers a day and you can't stay in business then you're just an idiot.
 
2013-03-24 09:23:25 PM  
I like how high taxes was also cited as a reason.  I just love it when a hipster business that almost certainly voted for the jackwagons raising taxes gets put out of business.  Sucks to be them.  They can come mow my lawn.
 
2013-03-24 09:29:27 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "Before the show, staff saw about 300 customers a day, rising to 500 over the course of the show.  But traffic dropped to about 150 a day as Gretel-Ann appeared to have cheated her way to a second place finish."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding that, but if you're getting 150 customers a day and you can't stay in business then you're just an idiot.


Depends on how high her bills are... electricity isn't free, neither is rent, or anything else.
 
2013-03-24 09:39:04 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I like how high taxes was also cited as a reason.  I just love it when a hipster business that almost certainly voted for the jackwagons raising taxes gets put out of business.  Sucks to be them.  They can come mow my lawn.


Or...maybe...taxes has nothing to do with it.  And hipster douche business that can't stay in business, simply can't stay in business.
 
2013-03-24 09:57:27 PM  
Dammit, now I want a cupcake. Or a bagel.
 
2013-03-24 10:02:28 PM  

Sgt Otter: I'd say it jumped the shark when it was the job of the lead chick in "Bridesmaids," to show how cool and quirky she was.


Nah, the real jump the shark moment was when Two Broke Girls featured opening an indie cupcake bakery in Willamsburg as the dream of the lead characters. Hell, even that show is basically over it and has moved on to other things after that crashed and burned.

/My wife likes the show.
 
2013-03-24 10:09:59 PM  
Compared to a real bakerie or any food service place, cupcake bakeries have a very small startup cost but most people just don't think longterm and open a place without any reserve.

The cool thing is that the ones that are good are REALLY good- like Pamcakes on Pine Street and 20th or the Cupcake Truck Lady who just opened a place on Snyder. Both are in Philadelphia and both will blow your socks off.

I've been to Magnolia in NY and wasn't really impressed. If I had known that NYers get so bent out of shape when tourists sit in the playground and eat cupcakes then I would have bought two.
 
2013-03-24 10:20:31 PM  
Or, maybe it's because the cupcake fad was a propped-up load of bullsh*t some media jaggoff created on a slow news day.

But please, do go on blaming the Honey Boo Boo Channel for your failed business.
 
2013-03-24 10:31:38 PM  
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2013-03-24 10:45:41 PM  
A local cupcake/icecream place down the street just called it quits.  Was a great place at first, but wow, you could tell when they hit hard times:  The cupcakes got smaller but the price remained.

$2.50 for a cupcake I could make for $0.50 was just retarded.  For $2.50 i'll go to HEB and get one three times the size, and much more flavorful.
 
2013-03-24 10:58:34 PM  

Antimatter: A local cupcake/icecream place down the street just called it quits.  Was a great place at first, but wow, you could tell when they hit hard times:  The cupcakes got smaller but the price remained.

$2.50 for a cupcake I could make for $0.50 was just retarded.  For $2.50 i'll go to HEB and get one three times the size, and much more flavorful.


Kind of strange - I'm guessing the ingredients for the cupcakes themselves were one of the smallest expenses, and most people want to just buy one per person, so I'm not sure how reducing the cupcake size would have really helped.
 
2013-03-24 11:02:52 PM  
The cupcake trend is alive and well in DC - about a half dozen different stores that sell only cupcakes, all of which have been in business for at least four years.  No signs of slowing down here.  Typically there is a line down the street for Georgetown Cupcake.
 
2013-03-24 11:06:52 PM  

nobodyUwannaknow: Cheer up, Cupcake.
You can still wait tables at Denny's


Luckily we have a Denny's in the area.

/ate there once at 3:00 in the morning
//it was scary
 
2013-03-24 11:12:33 PM  

valkore: Antimatter: A local cupcake/icecream place down the street just called it quits.  Was a great place at first, but wow, you could tell when they hit hard times:  The cupcakes got smaller but the price remained.

$2.50 for a cupcake I could make for $0.50 was just retarded.  For $2.50 i'll go to HEB and get one three times the size, and much more flavorful.

Kind of strange - I'm guessing the ingredients for the cupcakes themselves were one of the smallest expenses, and most people want to just buy one per person, so I'm not sure how reducing the cupcake size would have really helped.


I dunno, being able to make 30 cupcakes out of 24 cakes worth of batter would give you more profit per batch, in theory.
 
2013-03-24 11:36:25 PM  
Yeah, I saw the local vegan cupcake place close it's storefront, but their goods are still available to order.

They just have too narrow a market and some tough competition from a nearby patisserie that not only has vegan cupcakes, but vegan cheesecake (never had it), and a few other vegan goodies, but their forte is good old fashioned, made from scratch (with butter and eggs and milk) awesome cakes, cupcakes, and other tasty, tasty goods.

Now I want one of their Key lime tarts
 
2013-03-24 11:47:20 PM  

FormlessOne: FTA: "How they portrayed my character in the show, they made a complete lie up and I can never repair what they did to my reputation." said Fisher, "I lost contracts, a lot of business."

What "character"? You played yourself...


Yes, because editors never splice and quote mine people for ratings...
 
2013-03-24 11:47:21 PM  

New Age Redneck: //twisting the canvas snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil....


Pulitzer, right here.
 
2013-03-24 11:48:18 PM  

meat0918: Yeah, I saw the local vegan cupcake place close it's storefront, but their goods are still available to order.

They just have too narrow a market and some tough competition from a nearby patisserie that not only has vegan cupcakes, but vegan cheesecake (never had it), and a few other vegan goodies, but their forte is good old fashioned, made from scratch (with butter and eggs and milk) awesome cakes, cupcakes, and other tasty, tasty goods.

Now I want one of their Key lime tarts


There is no such thing as vegan cheesecake.
 
2013-03-24 11:50:50 PM  

New Age Redneck: Some people like cupcakes exclusively......I for one care less for them

/reaches for an over-size chrome spoon to scoop up an intimate quantity of dried muffin remnants
//twisting the canvas snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil....
///prefers that prince of foods....


Is it weird that the voice I heard as I read this thread was my own but switched to Frank's for that one line?
 
2013-03-25 12:06:16 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: I like how high taxes was also cited as a reason.  I just love it when a hipster business that almost certainly voted for the jackwagons raising taxes gets put out of business.  Sucks to be them.  They can come mow my lawn.


I have no idea who this individual is but this just tells me she didn't do the basic research of running this business before opening up.  Taxes are a known and predictable variable.
 
2013-03-25 12:21:34 AM  

Antimatter: I dunno, being able to make 30 cupcakes out of 24 cakes worth of batter would give you more profit per batch, in theory.


If you are only getting 30 cupcakes out of 24 cakes of batter, you are not making cupcakes. You are making cakes.
 
2013-03-25 12:49:33 AM  

frostus: New Age Redneck: Some people like cupcakes exclusively......I for one care less for them

/reaches for an over-size chrome spoon to scoop up an intimate quantity of dried muffin remnants
//twisting the canvas snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil....
///prefers that prince of foods....

Is it weird that the voice I heard as I read this thread was my own but switched to Frank's for that one line?


No, you're not alone

+1 little green rosetta
 
2013-03-25 01:04:18 AM  

420Gabriel: There is no such thing as vegan cheesecake.



Yes, there are. I've had them and they can be delicious.

// And I say this as the grandson of a master baker that supplied kosher cheesecakes (among other things) to diners throughout Northeast New Jersey
 
2013-03-25 01:39:37 AM  
A local cupcake place here used to have mini cupcakes.  They were about 1/3rd the size of a standard 'cake ($3) but at about 2/3rds the price ($2).  But they never had them in stock as they sold out.  Plus they were only at one location.  News flash: if you can sell something that contains 1/3rd the fixed costs at 2/3rds the price and bring in more people to buy (their normal cupcakes are just a little bit too much for one person) you're doing it wrong.
 
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