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(Rolling Stone)   Rolling Stone has compiled the "definitive" list of the 100 best debut albums of all time, and the top ten albums alone is all the evidence anyone needs to see the magazine has lost all touch with reality   (rollingstone.com) divider line 59
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2013-03-24 03:48:22 PM  
5 votes:
Kanye West, Jay-Z, Nas, and The Strokes being ranked above

ecx.images-amazon.com

are just a few reasons the list is worthless.
2013-03-24 05:04:46 PM  
3 votes:
And I agree, Appetite for Destruction was and is an amazing album. Think of what was popular at the time, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken. Hair bands doing some hard rock songs and power ballads. Then this monstrosity comes along. That album is still one of my favorites, it was so goddamn dark.
2013-03-24 04:59:46 PM  
3 votes:
The one standout in their top 100 that I am familiar with, and I am familiar with a large percentage of them, is Boston.  That album is like fingernails on chalkboard for me.  RS uses the term  "hard rock" in their description!  I will date my self here.  I am very grateful for that album.  It motivated me to turn off the radio dial and discover and appreciate many more genres of music.
2013-03-24 03:46:31 PM  
3 votes:

show me: Abbey road not in top ten = FAIL.


It's a list about debut albums.
2013-03-24 01:35:47 PM  
3 votes:
With the exceptions of 10,9,and 8 they were all good debut albums.

I was expecting to see Nickleback, Nirvana, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. That would have been a bad top 10 list.
2013-03-24 12:51:01 PM  
3 votes:
Deslided, on the off chance it goes green.
2013-03-24 08:06:00 PM  
2 votes:
www.pjf.org.uk

Aargh
2013-03-24 07:02:54 PM  
2 votes:
The list:

100 'The Fame' - Lady Gaga
99 'The Gilded Palace of Sin' - The Flying Burrito Brothers
98 'Look Sharp! - Joe Jackson
97 'Entroducing....' - DJ Shadow
96 'Madonna'
95 'Here's Little Richard'
94 'The Who Sings My Generation'
93 'Almost Killed Me' - The Hold Steady
92 'Moby Grape'
91 'Arular' - M.I.A.
90 '#1 Record' - Big Star
89 'Upstairs at Eric's' - Yazoo
88 'Homework' - Daft Punk
87 'Mass Romantic' - The New Pornographers
86 'good kid, m.A.A.d city' - Kendrick Lamar
85 'Rage Against the Machine'
84 'Whitney Houston'
83 'Paid In Full' - Erik B. and Rakim
82 'Heart of the Congos' - The Congos
81 'Entertainment!' - Gang of Four
80 'Mr. Tambourine Man' - The Byrds
79 'Elvis Presley'
78 'The Stone Roses'
77 'Thank Me Later' - Drake
76 'Are We Not Men? We Are Devo!'
75 'Beauty and the Beat' - The Go-Go's
74 'xx' - The xx
73 'Come Away with Me' - Norah Jones
72 'Led Zeppelin'
71 'What's the 411' - Mary J. Blige
70 'Dry' - PJ Harvey
69 'Pink Flag' - Wire
68 'Talking Heads: 77'
67 'Get Rich or Die Tryin' - 50 Cent
66 'The Stooges'
65 'Exile In Guyville' - Liz Phair
64 'I Just Can't Stop It' - The (English) Beat
63 'She's So Unusual' - Cyndi Lauper
62 'Roxy Music'
61 'Up the Bracket' - The Libertines
60 'Tidal' - Fiona Apple
59 'Fever to Tell' - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
58 'Pretty Hate Machine' - Nine Inch Nails
57 'Oracular Spectacular' - MGMT
56 'For Emma, Forever Ago' - Bon Iver
55 'Supa Dupa Fly' - Missy 'Misdemeanor' Elliott
54 'Kill 'Em All' - Metallica
53 'New York Dolls'
52 'Boy' - U2
51 'The Smiths'
50 'Los Angeles' - X
49 'Franz Ferdinand'
48 'Modern Lovers'
47 'Piper At the Gates of Dawn' - Pink Floyd
46 'Ten' - Pearl Jam
45 'Psychocandy' - The Jesus and Mary Chain
44 'Black Sabbath'
43 'Grace' - Jeff Buckley
42 'Definitely Maybe' - Oasis
41 'Boston'
40 'Marquee Moon' - Television
39 '(Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd)'
38 'Outlandos d'Amour' - The Police
37 'Greetings From Asbury, Park N.J.' - Bruce Springstten
36 'Give Up' - The Postal Service
35 'Weezer'
34 'The Doors'
33 'Hot Fuss' - The Killers
32 'Three Feet High And Rising' - De La Soul
31 'Dummy' - Portishead
30 'Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not' - The Arctic Monkeys
29 'Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)' - Wu-Tang Clang
28 'B-52s'
27 'Van Halen'
26 'Run-DMC'
25 'Slanted and Enchanted' - Pavement
24 'Vampire Weekend'
23 'Ready to Die' - The Notorious B.I.G.
22 'Violent Femmes'
21 'My Aim Is True' - Elvis Costello
20 'Unknown Pleasures' - Joy Division
19 'The College Dropout' - Kanye West
18 'Murmur' - R.E.M.
17 'Please Please Me' - The Beatles
16 'The Cars'
15 'Funeral' - The Arcade Fire
14 'Reasonable Doubt' - Jay-Z
13 'Pretenders'
12 'The Clash'
11 'Illmatic' - Nas
10 'Horses' - Patti Smith
9 'Music From Big Pink' - The Band
8 'Is This It' - The Strokes
7 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols'
6 'Straight Outta Compton' - N.W.A.
5 'The Velvet Underground and Nico'
4 'Appetite for Destruction' - Guns N' Roses
3 'Are You Experienced' - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
2 'The Ramones'
1 'Licensed to Ill' - The Beastie Boys
2013-03-24 06:52:58 PM  
2 votes:
Paleorific
Fade2black: theorellior: BizarreMan:
A 100 page slideshow?

They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.

I'm sure it was too much trouble to check out the 100 album scroll bar x 10 at the top. Chubby fingers and all.

yep, the deslided link is more cumbersome that the RS post in this case.


I would say it depends on the output format you select..

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
2013-03-24 05:06:54 PM  
2 votes:
Too NY centric, that's why I stopped reading the mag in 1980.
2013-03-24 04:47:27 PM  
2 votes:

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Paleorific: Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.


Like it or not, those rap albums, as well as Appetite For Destruction really did change the face of their genres.  Although Appetite has never seemed to really influence anyone musically -- can anyone think of anything else that sounds like Appetite, other than Appetite?  Being the highest selling debut album of the entire decade that it came out in (considering that it came out in late 1986) certainly counts for something.  I don't think there's any person who was alive and between 10 and 40 during that time frame that doesn't know it.  Except maybe the people who were living in a world that only included rap. :D  Which is why I can't say a lot about the rap albums, because I was living in a world that only included rock. :)
2013-03-24 04:39:47 PM  
2 votes:
RATM's first release only made #85?

Jeez.
2013-03-24 04:37:21 PM  
2 votes:
Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.
2013-03-24 03:58:01 PM  
2 votes:
i236.photobucket.com
2013-03-24 01:58:08 PM  
2 votes:
Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.
2013-03-25 08:42:42 AM  
1 votes:
Replace the superfluous Elastica with:

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-25 07:14:28 AM  
1 votes:
List fails without

image.betamonline.com

in the top 10.
2013-03-25 02:45:41 AM  
1 votes:

kasmel: TheJoe03: Lorelle: Rap isn't progressive; if anything, it's regressive. Ever watch Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom? The cavemen were light years ahead of rappers.

You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.

Normally I would stay out of this argument because I don't have that strong an opinion either way. That, regardless of how atonal and absurd many things some people miscategorize as 'music'But this, "you don't know shiat about hip hop culture ". Really? You're seriously going to try to assertculturenow? Are you farking kidding me? Is a cultural rite of passage piercing your ear drums?

 Asserting culture for hip-hop is seriously farking ridiculous. That's like calling the latest stupid teen craze culture. Hip-hop music is no more culture than snap bracelets or tamagotchi. They can congratulate each other and give each other awards and accolades for puking to autotune and synth drums all they want and I could really care less. I don't have to listen to it so I really don't care if anyone else does or whether or not they enjoy it.

You could call it a literary movement or artistic tradition even, that at least has SOME accuracy. You could say that hip-hop is like Dada, although pretty sure punk already fits that description.

/So I guess that makes Rap the new beatniks?
//Rhyming and sounding stupid to everyone who's not stoned?
///slashies for mostly joking about the beatnik part



You, sir, are an asshat for thinking hip-hop culture is limited to the music. Once again, could we educate ourselves before we say such idiotic things? I'm glad that something thats been around 30+ years is now comparable to a Tamagotchi...
2013-03-25 01:42:16 AM  
1 votes:

pimpnutz: Lorelle I'd love to see you put together 16 cohesive bars that rhyme and fit them to a beat that you produced yourself. sure, theres no talent involved at all..


She has her mind made up and she's content living in the distant past. I'd love to hear her attempt at rap, just imagine how terrible it would be. Oh and the beat would probably suck hard, even if she knew production.
2013-03-25 01:14:16 AM  
1 votes:
Undertow
2013-03-25 01:12:48 AM  
1 votes:

TheJoe03: Good job proving how ignorant you are of hip-hop culture, honestly...


Dude, I specifically referred to rap. Pay attention. Lauryn Hill can actually sing every now and then.

I was in high school when Rapper's Delight was released in the late 1970s. The music was stolen ("sampled" is nothing but a euphemism for "stolen;" stop pretending that it isn't) from Chic's "Good Times."

As for the musical aspect of the genre, you show yourself to be another ignorant old classic rock fan with a narrow mind about electronic based music. Production isn't easy, have you even tried to make a beat of any kind? BTW, have you heard of the Roots? They have set a trend where rappers now have backing bands at live shows, so again you show your musical ignorance.

Oh jeez, here's another kid who thinks that electronic music didn't start until the 21st century. FYI: electronic instruments date back to the 1920s.

I can produce a beat right here at my desk, by stomping on the floor or kicking the desk. It's not difficult. I've no doubt I could easily stomp on the floor AND cuss at the same time if I really felt the need to do so.

As for The Roots, I saw them perform at a jazz festival a few years ago with Betty Wright. She was awesome. One dude's yammering ruined the music, though.

You can put a band on a stage with yer average no-talent rapper, and it still won't change the fact that the rapper can't sing, can't write music, and can't play an instrument, just as putting a pile of shiat in a fancy box doesn't make it any less shiatty.

Hell, even Cheech y Chong's Blind Melon Chitlin has more talent than the average rapper.
2013-03-25 12:38:06 AM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: Anyone who thinks that gangbangers and other lowlifes who yammer endlessly about biatches and hoes and killing cops (because they sure as heck CAN'T SING), STEAL music from REAL artists because they can't write their own tunes, and can't play musical instruments are on the same level as people who can actually write music, play an instrument, and carry a tune is a moran, IMHO.

I find it amusing that some of you actually pay to see these people stand on a stage and do nothing but cuss and throw stupid gang signs. Will you be willing to shell out $$$ to see them do the same thing thirty years from now?


Good job proving how ignorant you are of hip-hop culture, honestly. Plenty of rappers write about topics not related to disparaging women and promoting violence. Calling sampling "stealing" is pretty amusing to me for someone to say that in 2013 (you know the laws now right?). As for the musical aspect of the genre, you show yourself to be another ignorant old classic rock fan with a narrow mind about electronic based music. Production isn't easy, have you even tried to make a beat of any kind? BTW, have you heard of the Roots? They have set a trend where rappers now have backing bands at live shows, so again you show your musical ignorance.

Considering that hip-hop is about 30 years old, I say yes I would spend money to watch a classic hip hop group. As for watching people throw up gang signs, the only rappers I like that did that were NWA, Tupac, and Snoop Dogg. Basically you are the Republican of music fans. Very conservative, very old fashioned, unwilling to learn about new music, unable to understand new music, and you view hip hop in a very stereotypical fashion and you don't even have any basic knowledge of the music or culture.
2013-03-24 11:17:33 PM  
1 votes:
Ziggy Stardust. That is all.
2013-03-24 10:48:08 PM  
1 votes:
reykjaviksexfarm.files.wordpress.comOne of the best albums of '83, period.
2013-03-24 09:18:29 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-24 09:10:42 PM  
1 votes:
List fails without inclusion of Chicago Transit Authority.
2013-03-24 09:04:20 PM  
1 votes:
Wait.  No  Bad Company???? What kind of farktardery is this??

I'm okay with the rap, but why must everyone in the music establishment have such an absolute hard-on for The Strokes?  They were just absolutely horrible, proto-hipster dreck.  And I'm sorry, but any album younger than 10 does not belong on a "greatest of all time" list, even if it is the most overrated music magazine of the past fifteen years (and I'm being polite with that figure).
2013-03-24 09:02:49 PM  
1 votes:
If you stated hip hop shouldn't even be on this list, you need to log off, and go drink your Ensure in time for CSI.

/Not even a hip hop fan
//But hip hop has had a HUGE impact on the last 30 years
2013-03-24 08:21:14 PM  
1 votes:
Black Sabbath at #44? If one album should have been in the top ten it is that one. It's influence is still heard forty years after it's debut.
2013-03-24 08:08:32 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: "Licensed to Ill" -  A statement so powerful, so fully-realized, that the Beastie Boys spent the rest of their careers living it down."

As a huge fan of the Beastie Boys, I'd like to point out the absurdity of this statement. An absurdity eclipsed only by the fact that someone actually paid this person to write it.
2013-03-24 07:46:50 PM  
1 votes:
No "My Bloody Valentine"?
2013-03-24 07:44:13 PM  
1 votes:
Elvis 1st album should be #1 because of the tonsil shot and the influence on EVERYONE,
2013-03-24 06:17:52 PM  
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.


oh, so you mean the Beastie Boys. OK then, wtf is your point
2013-03-24 06:04:31 PM  
1 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: FARK YOU ROLLING STONE!

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so much this
kab
2013-03-24 06:02:09 PM  
1 votes:
Interesting list, since them all being debut albums is a twist.  And as with most lists, it's rather lacking.

You include Kill 'Em All, but leave out Show No Mercy by Slayer?
You include Tidal, but leave out Little Earthquakes?

And this comment made me giggle:
#26:  A rap album? The idea was esoteric back in 1984,

Not really.  In fact, this duo was rather dull and predictable to listen to compared to their contemporaries back then.

Finally, lots of game changers are listed lower on the list than bands that won't be remembered a decade from now.  Boston, Black Sabbath, and Pearl Jam debuts should be higher on the list, for example.
2013-03-24 05:54:50 PM  
1 votes:

yelmrog: RATM's first release only made #85?

Jeez.


OH NOES MY PET BAND ISNT #1
2013-03-24 05:48:34 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Wait a minute, crappy rap in the top 20, but no Meatloaf?


Ok, this one takes the cake. farkin Meatloaf? HAHAHAH!
2013-03-24 05:48:10 PM  
1 votes:
Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for decades.
2013-03-24 05:48:06 PM  
1 votes:
s3.amazonaws.com
2013-03-24 05:47:29 PM  
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.


Wow, a comment even dumber than Lorelle's.
2013-03-24 05:44:51 PM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Only rock counts, huh? Moron.
2013-03-24 05:42:42 PM  
1 votes:
Is this the thread where out of touch farkers incessantly complain about how much rap sucks, without making any sort of effort to actuallt listen to any of it? Cause those threads are awesome.


/I think rush sucks
//don't see me shiatting on them everytime they get fellated by you guys
///cause that would get annoying
2013-03-24 05:36:13 PM  
1 votes:
Terrible choice for #1, but 2 though 9 are solid.  Also, anyone who denies Horses is a brilliant album is an ignorant , cloth-eared poseur.
2013-03-24 05:28:02 PM  
1 votes:
FARK YOU ROLLING STONE!

991.com
2013-03-24 05:19:54 PM  
1 votes:
Led Zep I should be top 10. I was expecting it at number 1.
2013-03-24 05:07:33 PM  
1 votes:

rickythepenguin: Mr. Chainsaw: Ha, I didn't mean they picked the wrong Beastie Boys album because...duh, but that it was an odd pick for #1.

ok.  the way you said it though -- "because of what they'd become"  -- reads as if you thought another BB album should have been poicked.


Debut albums.

So another BB couldn't have been chosen and honestly it's a good pick. First fusion of those particular genres and opened up rap/rock to different audiences. 

Someone said it above, but Boston really should have been in the top 10. So many hits off of their debut.
2013-03-24 05:00:15 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not even going to waste my time looking through all this bullshiat, cuz if "In the Court of the Crimson King" isn't in the top 5, this list is completely worthless.
2013-03-24 04:59:26 PM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Well, rap is a recognized genre in popular modern music, so, any "influential" rap album has every right to be on this list as anything else.

/I don't even like most rap, either.
2013-03-24 04:58:29 PM  
1 votes:
Cyndi Lauper above The Stooges? WTF?

The Strokes above Black Sabbath?
2013-03-24 04:51:35 PM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.
2013-03-24 04:48:07 PM  
1 votes:
thismomentinblackhistory:
I think you mean
upload.wikimedia.org
2013-03-24 04:47:25 PM  
1 votes:
People complaining about a 100 page slide show?  Do you even know how to turn on a computer?
2013-03-24 04:45:59 PM  
1 votes:
I was happy to see that this made the list, even if it was #99

assets.rollingstone.com

/Gram Parsons gets this girl HOT
2013-03-24 04:44:12 PM  
1 votes:
Eh, that wasn't nearly as bad of a top ten as I would have imagined. And, while I certainly disagree with The Strokes being on there, I'm not surprised.  Rolling Stone and many other music publications absolutely blew their wad on those guys from day one, and I still don't think they fully admit to themselves that they fell for the aesthetic and ignored that otherwise very good musicianship was stifled by inane lyrics and a lack of ambition for anything other than making 3-4 minute toe-tappers.

I won't say Casablancas (the lead singer) held them back necessarily, but the talent behind him was there do a lot more and it just didn't happen.
2013-03-24 04:38:55 PM  
1 votes:
Yep, list fails on so many levels, not the least of which is that it's a 100-page slide show.
2013-03-24 04:37:54 PM  
1 votes:
We also skipped solo debuts by artists who were already in well-known bands, which is why you won't see John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band or Paul Simon. We focused, instead, on debuts that gave you the thrill of an act arriving fully-formed, ready to reinvent the world in its own image.


OK, then why is The Band at #9?  They'd already been backing some obscure, Minnealpolis-born poet for what, 2-3 years?

Also Patti Smith has no business being #10 and Sex Pistols?  You can say it influenced a shiatload of bands bu musically, it kinda sucks.  same with Ramones.  the same song 11 times in a row?  Strokes is basically the same.

whoever made this list sucks at listing.
2013-03-24 04:36:16 PM  
1 votes:

BizarreMan: A 100 page slideshow?


They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.
2013-03-24 04:31:30 PM  
1 votes:
A 100 page slideshow?
2013-03-24 03:26:22 PM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org
Decemberists, "Castaways and Cutouts"

upload.wikimedia.org
Neko Case, "Fox Confessor Brings the Flood"

and, oh, what the hell...

upload.wikimedia.org
Barenaked Ladies, "Gordon"
 
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