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(Rolling Stone)   Rolling Stone has compiled the "definitive" list of the 100 best debut albums of all time, and the top ten albums alone is all the evidence anyone needs to see the magazine has lost all touch with reality   (rollingstone.com ) divider line 264
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2013-03-24 12:51:01 PM  
Deslided, on the off chance it goes green.
 
2013-03-24 01:35:47 PM  
With the exceptions of 10,9,and 8 they were all good debut albums.

I was expecting to see Nickleback, Nirvana, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. That would have been a bad top 10 list.
 
2013-03-24 01:58:08 PM  
Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.
 
2013-03-24 03:26:22 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Decemberists, "Castaways and Cutouts"

upload.wikimedia.org
Neko Case, "Fox Confessor Brings the Flood"

and, oh, what the hell...

upload.wikimedia.org
Barenaked Ladies, "Gordon"
 
2013-03-24 03:37:51 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-24 03:39:51 PM  
(Oops. "Fox Confessor..." isn't Neko's first solo album. Hey, look over there, it's Batman! ---------->)

/runs away
 
2013-03-24 03:44:40 PM  
Abbey road not in top ten = FAIL.
 
2013-03-24 03:46:31 PM  

show me: Abbey road not in top ten = FAIL.


It's a list about debut albums.
 
2013-03-24 03:48:22 PM  
Kanye West, Jay-Z, Nas, and The Strokes being ranked above

ecx.images-amazon.com

are just a few reasons the list is worthless.
 
2013-03-24 03:58:01 PM  
i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-24 04:01:23 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: show me: Abbey road not in top ten = FAIL.

It's a list about debut albums.


Whoops, readinig comprehension fail, never mind then. Boston should be in the top ten, though.
 
2013-03-24 04:07:57 PM  
Wait a minute, crappy rap in the top 20, but no Meatloaf?

Why did they even bother?
 
2013-03-24 04:31:30 PM  
A 100 page slideshow?
 
2013-03-24 04:36:16 PM  

BizarreMan: A 100 page slideshow?


They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.
 
2013-03-24 04:37:21 PM  
Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.
 
2013-03-24 04:37:54 PM  
We also skipped solo debuts by artists who were already in well-known bands, which is why you won't see John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band or Paul Simon. We focused, instead, on debuts that gave you the thrill of an act arriving fully-formed, ready to reinvent the world in its own image.


OK, then why is The Band at #9?  They'd already been backing some obscure, Minnealpolis-born poet for what, 2-3 years?

Also Patti Smith has no business being #10 and Sex Pistols?  You can say it influenced a shiatload of bands bu musically, it kinda sucks.  same with Ramones.  the same song 11 times in a row?  Strokes is basically the same.

whoever made this list sucks at listing.
 
2013-03-24 04:37:55 PM  
It's not news, it's an opportunity to go belligerent.
 
2013-03-24 04:38:55 PM  
Yep, list fails on so many levels, not the least of which is that it's a 100-page slide show.
 
2013-03-24 04:39:47 PM  
RATM's first release only made #85?

Jeez.
 
2013-03-24 04:41:20 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: show me: Abbey road not in top ten = FAIL.

It's a list about debut albums.


Paul died just before Abbey Road, so it was a debut album for the three beatles.
 
2013-03-24 04:42:35 PM  

DoctorOfLove: thismomentinblackhistory: show me: Abbey road not in top ten = FAIL.

It's a list about debut albums.

Paul died just before Abbey Road, so it was a debut album for the three beatles.


No, actually, the legend holds Paul died in 1966, between Revolver and Sgt. Pepper.
 
2013-03-24 04:42:39 PM  
Rolling Stone is still a thing ?
 
2013-03-24 04:44:12 PM  
Eh, that wasn't nearly as bad of a top ten as I would have imagined. And, while I certainly disagree with The Strokes being on there, I'm not surprised.  Rolling Stone and many other music publications absolutely blew their wad on those guys from day one, and I still don't think they fully admit to themselves that they fell for the aesthetic and ignored that otherwise very good musicianship was stifled by inane lyrics and a lack of ambition for anything other than making 3-4 minute toe-tappers.

I won't say Casablancas (the lead singer) held them back necessarily, but the talent behind him was there do a lot more and it just didn't happen.
 
2013-03-24 04:45:59 PM  
I was happy to see that this made the list, even if it was #99

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/Gram Parsons gets this girl HOT
 
2013-03-24 04:47:25 PM  
People complaining about a 100 page slide show?  Do you even know how to turn on a computer?
 
2013-03-24 04:47:27 PM  

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Paleorific: Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.


Like it or not, those rap albums, as well as Appetite For Destruction really did change the face of their genres.  Although Appetite has never seemed to really influence anyone musically -- can anyone think of anything else that sounds like Appetite, other than Appetite?  Being the highest selling debut album of the entire decade that it came out in (considering that it came out in late 1986) certainly counts for something.  I don't think there's any person who was alive and between 10 and 40 during that time frame that doesn't know it.  Except maybe the people who were living in a world that only included rap. :D  Which is why I can't say a lot about the rap albums, because I was living in a world that only included rock. :)
 
2013-03-24 04:48:07 PM  
thismomentinblackhistory:
I think you mean
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-24 04:48:51 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Kanye West, Jay-Z, Nas, and The Strokes being ranked above

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are just a few reasons the list is worthless.


You must be one of those "I listen to everything but that rap crap" kind of people, because that's the only explanation why you would call a list with Nas so high "worthless."

License To Ill is a great record, but seeing as it's the polar opposite of what the Beastie Boys would eventually become, it's an odd choice.
 
2013-03-24 04:51:35 PM  

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.
 
2013-03-24 04:51:40 PM  
Gram Parsons gets this girl HOT

you, madam are a necrophiliac
 
2013-03-24 04:51:55 PM  

Mr. Chainsaw: License To Ill is a great record, but seeing as it's the polar opposite of what the Beastie Boys would eventually become, it's an odd choice.



Don't disagree, but pretty sure neither Paul's Boutiqe or Ill Communication could be termed debut albums.
 
2013-03-24 04:53:33 PM  
"...50 Cent's music...."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
 
2013-03-24 04:55:07 PM  

rickythepenguin: Also Patti Smith has no business being #10


Why?  Because she's a chick? Horses is a massively influential album.
 
2013-03-24 04:56:49 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mr. Chainsaw: License To Ill is a great record, but seeing as it's the polar opposite of what the Beastie Boys would eventually become, it's an odd choice.


Don't disagree, but pretty sure neither Paul's Boutiqe or Ill Communication could be termed debut albums.


Ha, I didn't mean they picked the wrong Beastie Boys album because...duh, but that it was an odd pick for #1.
 
2013-03-24 04:58:29 PM  
Cyndi Lauper above The Stooges? WTF?

The Strokes above Black Sabbath?
 
2013-03-24 04:58:39 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Why? Because she's a chick?


No, beacuse she sucks.
 
2013-03-24 04:58:57 PM  

neon_god: thismomentinblackhistory:
I think you mean
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I didn't think that would count since it's technically not a full album, but either way, they belong on there.

/also, WTH is Gish?
 
2013-03-24 04:59:26 PM  

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Well, rap is a recognized genre in popular modern music, so, any "influential" rap album has every right to be on this list as anything else.

/I don't even like most rap, either.
 
2013-03-24 04:59:46 PM  
The one standout in their top 100 that I am familiar with, and I am familiar with a large percentage of them, is Boston.  That album is like fingernails on chalkboard for me.  RS uses the term  "hard rock" in their description!  I will date my self here.  I am very grateful for that album.  It motivated me to turn off the radio dial and discover and appreciate many more genres of music.
 
2013-03-24 04:59:57 PM  

Mr. Chainsaw: Ha, I didn't mean they picked the wrong Beastie Boys album because...duh, but that it was an odd pick for #1.


ok.  the way you said it though -- "because of what they'd become"  -- reads as if you thought another BB album should have been poicked.
 
2013-03-24 05:00:15 PM  
I'm not even going to waste my time looking through all this bullshiat, cuz if "In the Court of the Crimson King" isn't in the top 5, this list is completely worthless.
 
2013-03-24 05:04:46 PM  
And I agree, Appetite for Destruction was and is an amazing album. Think of what was popular at the time, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken. Hair bands doing some hard rock songs and power ballads. Then this monstrosity comes along. That album is still one of my favorites, it was so goddamn dark.
 
2013-03-24 05:06:54 PM  
Too NY centric, that's why I stopped reading the mag in 1980.
 
2013-03-24 05:07:33 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mr. Chainsaw: Ha, I didn't mean they picked the wrong Beastie Boys album because...duh, but that it was an odd pick for #1.

ok.  the way you said it though -- "because of what they'd become"  -- reads as if you thought another BB album should have been poicked.


Debut albums.

So another BB couldn't have been chosen and honestly it's a good pick. First fusion of those particular genres and opened up rap/rock to different audiences. 

Someone said it above, but Boston really should have been in the top 10. So many hits off of their debut.
 
2013-03-24 05:08:14 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: neon_god: thismomentinblackhistory:
I think you mean
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I didn't think that would count since it's technically not a full album, but either way, they belong on there.

/also, WTH is Gish?


I guess technically it is a 'mini LP' or whatever. Whichever you pick, yeah, it deserves a high spot. Great albums. Gish too
 
2013-03-24 05:08:24 PM  

qsblues: I'm not even going to waste my time looking through all this bullshiat, cuz if "In the Court of the Crimson King" isn't in the top 5, this list is completely worthless.


Serious omission but RS has never been favorable to prog.  I would also suggest Kraftwerk to be in this list at some point.
 
2013-03-24 05:09:01 PM  
BNL's "Gordon" should have made the list.  Not arguing that it should be near the top, but it was a great album.  It stands out in its time, and still holds up.
 
2013-03-24 05:10:34 PM  

rickythepenguin: Don't disagree, but pretty sure neither Paul's Boutiqe or Ill Communication could be termed debut albums.


phimuskapsi: So another BB couldn't have been chosen and honestly it's a good pick. First fusion of those particular genres and opened up rap/rock to different audiences.


guess you missed that.
 
2013-03-24 05:19:54 PM  
Led Zep I should be top 10. I was expecting it at number 1.
 
2013-03-24 05:25:28 PM  

theorellior: BizarreMan: A 100 page slideshow?

They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.


I'm sure it was too much trouble to check out the 100 album scroll bar x 10 at the top.  Chubby fingers and all.
 
2013-03-24 05:27:51 PM  

Fade2black: theorellior: BizarreMan: A 100 page slideshow?

They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.

I'm sure it was too much trouble to check out the 100 album scroll bar x 10 at the top.  Chubby fingers and all.


yep, the deslided link is more cumbersome that the RS post in this case.
 
2013-03-24 05:28:02 PM  
FARK YOU ROLLING STONE!

991.com
 
2013-03-24 05:35:19 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.


Like my band does?
Animal Nation -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlW55-o5fH0
 
2013-03-24 05:36:13 PM  
Terrible choice for #1, but 2 though 9 are solid.  Also, anyone who denies Horses is a brilliant album is an ignorant , cloth-eared poseur.
 
2013-03-24 05:42:42 PM  
Is this the thread where out of touch farkers incessantly complain about how much rap sucks, without making any sort of effort to actuallt listen to any of it? Cause those threads are awesome.


/I think rush sucks
//don't see me shiatting on them everytime they get fellated by you guys
///cause that would get annoying
 
2013-03-24 05:44:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: No, beacuse she sucks.


gwowen: Also, anyone who denies Horses is a brilliant album is an ignorant , cloth-eared poseur



I AM NOT CLOTH-EARED.
 
2013-03-24 05:44:38 PM  
hey, I listen to a lot of that stuff. And I am pop-culturally retarded.

/ I even have 4 of the top 10
// Didn't realize Horses was a debut. Wow.
 
2013-03-24 05:44:51 PM  

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


Only rock counts, huh? Moron.
 
2013-03-24 05:47:29 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.


Wow, a comment even dumber than Lorelle's.
 
2013-03-24 05:48:06 PM  
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-03-24 05:48:10 PM  
Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for decades.
 
2013-03-24 05:48:34 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Wait a minute, crappy rap in the top 20, but no Meatloaf?


Ok, this one takes the cake. farkin Meatloaf? HAHAHAH!
 
2013-03-24 05:54:50 PM  

yelmrog: RATM's first release only made #85?

Jeez.


OH NOES MY PET BAND ISNT #1
 
2013-03-24 05:55:20 PM  

TheJoe03: FirstNationalBastard: Wait a minute, crappy rap in the top 20, but no Meatloaf?

Ok, this one takes the cake. farkin Meatloaf? HAHAHAH!


"Bat Out of Hell" is a seriously great album.  It's everything he did AFTER that ... well ... it all pretty much sucks.
 
2013-03-24 05:57:26 PM  
hot fuss is on there, but short bus isn't.  I'm half happy with this.
 
2013-03-24 06:01:06 PM  

qsblues: "Bat Out of Hell" is a seriously great album.  It's everything he did AFTER that ... well ... it all pretty much sucks.


I'd agree, but I just found it funny THAT was the artist FNB thought got snubbed by all this hip-hop "riff-raff".
 
kab
2013-03-24 06:02:09 PM  
Interesting list, since them all being debut albums is a twist.  And as with most lists, it's rather lacking.

You include Kill 'Em All, but leave out Show No Mercy by Slayer?
You include Tidal, but leave out Little Earthquakes?

And this comment made me giggle:
#26:  A rap album? The idea was esoteric back in 1984,

Not really.  In fact, this duo was rather dull and predictable to listen to compared to their contemporaries back then.

Finally, lots of game changers are listed lower on the list than bands that won't be remembered a decade from now.  Boston, Black Sabbath, and Pearl Jam debuts should be higher on the list, for example.
 
2013-03-24 06:03:04 PM  

Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.


You sound old.....

and white....
 
2013-03-24 06:04:31 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: FARK YOU ROLLING STONE!

[991.com image 500x486]


so much this
 
2013-03-24 06:05:45 PM  
the top ten albums alone is all the evidence anyone needs to see the magazine has lost all touch with reality

uh...isn't the top ten of any list basically the most important part? So why should we be surprised that, having reviewed the top ten, we are able to make a judgement about it, rather than having to continue farther down the list to make up our minds?

/subby fail
 
2013-03-24 06:05:51 PM  
I can't really argue against any of the albums being included, though I'm still skeptical that anyone really still gives a shiat about The Strokes. I don't agree with The Beastie Boys being #1 at all, though. Otherwise my only other complaint is that neither Pretty Hate Machine nor the Stooges' debut album really that good, even if they're both enjoyable.

the only exclusion I can think of is Massive Attack's "Blue Lines"
 
kab
2013-03-24 06:06:52 PM  

funktilious_j: Hair bands doing some hard rock songs and power ballads. Then this monstrosity comes along.


And what do they do? Follow it up with hard rock songs and power ballads.  AFD is a solid album, but just extremely overexposed at this point... I haven't heard it in years, and really never need to again.
 
2013-03-24 06:11:38 PM  
k-punk.abstractdynamics.org
 
2013-03-24 06:14:44 PM  
List fails without:

npknet.com
 
2013-03-24 06:17:52 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.


oh, so you mean the Beastie Boys. OK then, wtf is your point
 
2013-03-24 06:21:30 PM  

Spatula Porn: I was happy to see that this made the list, even if it was #99

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/Gram Parsons gets this girl HOT


I love that band. It's too bad Graham died so young.
 
2013-03-24 06:22:32 PM  

TheJoe03: qsblues: "Bat Out of Hell" is a seriously great album.  It's everything he did AFTER that ... well ... it all pretty much sucks.

I'd agree, but I just found it funny THAT was the artist FNB thought got snubbed by all this hip-hop "riff-raff".


No, I thought William Shatner got snubbed by the hip-hop riff raff.

I mean, Shatner was rapping before the hippin' and a hoppin' and a bippin' and a boppin' was fashionable.
 
2013-03-24 06:24:45 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, I thought William Shatner got snubbed by the hip-hop riff raff.

I mean, Shatner was rapping before the hippin' and a hoppin' and a bippin' and a boppin' was fashionable.


Nerd alert.
 
2013-03-24 06:27:28 PM  
Next issue: the 500 best sophomore albums of all time!
 
2013-03-24 06:41:15 PM  
500 best smacks in the face I'd like to give anyone who doesn't like music I like just because that means they're stupid and I'm somehow superior on every level and not even a bit smug about that, oh no.
 
2013-03-24 06:42:12 PM  
I can't believe Big Star is only #90.  But I guess sucking alex "jesus christ" chilton's cock is more of an Internet thing as opposed to a Rolling Stone thing...
 
2013-03-24 06:44:49 PM  
Missing:

upload.wikimedia.org

Like 'em or hate 'em, it was a pretty influential record as far as indie music goes
 
2013-03-24 06:48:08 PM  
Q: What do Fark and RS have in common?
A: A shiat ton of hipsters.
 
2013-03-24 06:52:58 PM  
Paleorific
Fade2black: theorellior: BizarreMan:
A 100 page slideshow?

They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.

I'm sure it was too much trouble to check out the 100 album scroll bar x 10 at the top. Chubby fingers and all.

yep, the deslided link is more cumbersome that the RS post in this case.


I would say it depends on the output format you select..

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-24 07:02:54 PM  
The list:

100 'The Fame' - Lady Gaga
99 'The Gilded Palace of Sin' - The Flying Burrito Brothers
98 'Look Sharp! - Joe Jackson
97 'Entroducing....' - DJ Shadow
96 'Madonna'
95 'Here's Little Richard'
94 'The Who Sings My Generation'
93 'Almost Killed Me' - The Hold Steady
92 'Moby Grape'
91 'Arular' - M.I.A.
90 '#1 Record' - Big Star
89 'Upstairs at Eric's' - Yazoo
88 'Homework' - Daft Punk
87 'Mass Romantic' - The New Pornographers
86 'good kid, m.A.A.d city' - Kendrick Lamar
85 'Rage Against the Machine'
84 'Whitney Houston'
83 'Paid In Full' - Erik B. and Rakim
82 'Heart of the Congos' - The Congos
81 'Entertainment!' - Gang of Four
80 'Mr. Tambourine Man' - The Byrds
79 'Elvis Presley'
78 'The Stone Roses'
77 'Thank Me Later' - Drake
76 'Are We Not Men? We Are Devo!'
75 'Beauty and the Beat' - The Go-Go's
74 'xx' - The xx
73 'Come Away with Me' - Norah Jones
72 'Led Zeppelin'
71 'What's the 411' - Mary J. Blige
70 'Dry' - PJ Harvey
69 'Pink Flag' - Wire
68 'Talking Heads: 77'
67 'Get Rich or Die Tryin' - 50 Cent
66 'The Stooges'
65 'Exile In Guyville' - Liz Phair
64 'I Just Can't Stop It' - The (English) Beat
63 'She's So Unusual' - Cyndi Lauper
62 'Roxy Music'
61 'Up the Bracket' - The Libertines
60 'Tidal' - Fiona Apple
59 'Fever to Tell' - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
58 'Pretty Hate Machine' - Nine Inch Nails
57 'Oracular Spectacular' - MGMT
56 'For Emma, Forever Ago' - Bon Iver
55 'Supa Dupa Fly' - Missy 'Misdemeanor' Elliott
54 'Kill 'Em All' - Metallica
53 'New York Dolls'
52 'Boy' - U2
51 'The Smiths'
50 'Los Angeles' - X
49 'Franz Ferdinand'
48 'Modern Lovers'
47 'Piper At the Gates of Dawn' - Pink Floyd
46 'Ten' - Pearl Jam
45 'Psychocandy' - The Jesus and Mary Chain
44 'Black Sabbath'
43 'Grace' - Jeff Buckley
42 'Definitely Maybe' - Oasis
41 'Boston'
40 'Marquee Moon' - Television
39 '(Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd)'
38 'Outlandos d'Amour' - The Police
37 'Greetings From Asbury, Park N.J.' - Bruce Springstten
36 'Give Up' - The Postal Service
35 'Weezer'
34 'The Doors'
33 'Hot Fuss' - The Killers
32 'Three Feet High And Rising' - De La Soul
31 'Dummy' - Portishead
30 'Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not' - The Arctic Monkeys
29 'Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)' - Wu-Tang Clang
28 'B-52s'
27 'Van Halen'
26 'Run-DMC'
25 'Slanted and Enchanted' - Pavement
24 'Vampire Weekend'
23 'Ready to Die' - The Notorious B.I.G.
22 'Violent Femmes'
21 'My Aim Is True' - Elvis Costello
20 'Unknown Pleasures' - Joy Division
19 'The College Dropout' - Kanye West
18 'Murmur' - R.E.M.
17 'Please Please Me' - The Beatles
16 'The Cars'
15 'Funeral' - The Arcade Fire
14 'Reasonable Doubt' - Jay-Z
13 'Pretenders'
12 'The Clash'
11 'Illmatic' - Nas
10 'Horses' - Patti Smith
9 'Music From Big Pink' - The Band
8 'Is This It' - The Strokes
7 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols'
6 'Straight Outta Compton' - N.W.A.
5 'The Velvet Underground and Nico'
4 'Appetite for Destruction' - Guns N' Roses
3 'Are You Experienced' - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
2 'The Ramones'
1 'Licensed to Ill' - The Beastie Boys
 
2013-03-24 07:03:11 PM  

gardigga: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like my band does?
Animal Nation -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlW55-o5fH0


Isn't there a Lupe Fiasco- written hook in there?
 
2013-03-24 07:05:24 PM  

ekdikeo4: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Paleorific: Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.

Like it or not, those rap albums, as well as Appetite For Destruction really did change the face of their genres.  Although Appetite has never seemed to really influence anyone musically -- can anyone think of anything else that sounds like Appetite, other than Appetite?  Being the highest selling debut album of the entire decade that it came out in (considering that it came out in late 1986) certainly counts for something.  I don't think there's any person who was alive and between 10 and 40 during that time frame that doesn't know it.  Except maybe the people who were living in a world that only included rap. :D  Which is why I can't say a lot about the rap albums, because I was living in a world that only included rock. :)




Weren't some of the songs on Appetite pretty old and written while the members were in other bands?
 
2013-03-24 07:13:00 PM  
Erm, Hanoi Rocks sounded a LOT like Appetite era GnR when I saw them in '83.
Which if I recall was probably about the same time young fuzznuts Slash probably saw them too?
 
2013-03-24 07:18:38 PM  
chewy milk: 


/I think rush sucks


I had a Flush Rush T-shirt
 
2013-03-24 07:28:39 PM  

Spatula Porn: I was happy to see that this made the list, even if it was #99

/Gram Parsons gets this girl HOT


Me too. Except the whole being a girl and getting hot thing. I've been on a major country rock kick here lately with Gram and the Burrito Brothers, Poco, the Rolling Stones country stuff, the Byrds etc
 
2013-03-24 07:29:27 PM  
You favorite band sucks.
 
2013-03-24 07:36:16 PM  
Threads like this remind me why the music tab sucked
 
2013-03-24 07:38:07 PM  

funktilious_j: The Strokes above Black Sabbath?


Yeah, that blew my mind too. Also-rans listed higher than the band that actually created a whole genre of music?
 
2013-03-24 07:41:18 PM  
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3.bp.blogspot.com

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991.com

/Just a few off the top of my head
//I know people hate TBS, but they, along with Brand New, defined the Emo/Screamo genre that you all hate.
///Immortal Technique will never get any credit and I think he prefers it that way
//Flame on
/I actually liked the list. Not a lot that pertain to my tastes, but it was well selected. License to Ill is still an awesome album.
 
2013-03-24 07:44:13 PM  
Elvis 1st album should be #1 because of the tonsil shot and the influence on EVERYONE,
 
2013-03-24 07:45:15 PM  
babysealclubber: 

 the Rolling Stones country stuff,

Sittin' in a bar,tippling a jar in Jackson,
And on the street the summer sun it shines.

/Love that RS country stuff
//Got to scrap that sh*t right off my shooooes
 
2013-03-24 07:46:50 PM  
No "My Bloody Valentine"?
 
2013-03-24 07:55:58 PM  

chewy milk: Is this the thread where out of touch farkers incessantly complain about how much rap sucks, without making any sort of effort to actuallt listen to any of it? Cause those threads are awesome.


/I think rush sucks
//don't see me shiatting on them everytime they get fellated by you guys
///cause that would get annoying


No, this would be the thread where annoying hipsters complain about people who don't like what they like.
 
2013-03-24 07:56:43 PM  
What's amazing is they have the (English) Beat but leave off the Specials. You have *GOT* to be kidding. Nothing against the Beat, for they have some wonderful melodies, but that Specials album is pure perfect from start to finish. Perfect. And it came out earlier!
 
2013-03-24 08:04:17 PM  
Missing, as usual.
 
2013-03-24 08:06:00 PM  
www.pjf.org.uk

Aargh
 
2013-03-24 08:08:32 PM  
FTA: "Licensed to Ill" -  A statement so powerful, so fully-realized, that the Beastie Boys spent the rest of their careers living it down."

As a huge fan of the Beastie Boys, I'd like to point out the absurdity of this statement. An absurdity eclipsed only by the fact that someone actually paid this person to write it.
 
2013-03-24 08:09:08 PM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com
theball.com.tw
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www.soundstagedirect.com
25.media.tumblr.com
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2.bp.blogspot.com
alongside so many other worthy slabs o'wax.
 
2013-03-24 08:11:42 PM  
Van Halen and Boston should both be top 10. Sex Pistols shouldn't be on the list - let alone top 10.
 
2013-03-24 08:11:45 PM  

fusillade762: No "My Bloody Valentine"?


Glider was not the earth shatterer that Loveless was
 
2013-03-24 08:12:18 PM  

babysealclubber: Spatula Porn: I was happy to see that this made the list, even if it was #99

/Gram Parsons gets this girl HOT

Me too. Except the whole being a girl and getting hot thing. I've been on a major country rock kick here lately with Gram and the Burrito Brothers, Poco, the Rolling Stones country stuff, the Byrds etc


Same here. I have never been a fan of country music, but I have fallen in love with Gram's voice and his work with the Flying Burrito Brothers and his solo work. He was just incredible!
 
2013-03-24 08:14:48 PM  
Not as bad as I would have thought 7-1, but referencing "Nevermind" FOUR times and leaving it off the list seems counter-intuitive. Either it was a great debut album that set the benchmark for the others, or it wasn't. Make up your mind.
 
2013-03-24 08:14:54 PM  
Why would Rubber Soul, which is a very inconsistent album rank ahead of Abbey Road, which in many ways is the Beatles best produced album? Yes, there are some great tracks on Rubber Soul, most notably Norwegian Wood. But it also features The Word and Run For Your Life, two songs that John Lennon himself admitted were shiat.
 
2013-03-24 08:16:15 PM  

Sinbox: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 340x340]
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alongside so many other worthy slabs o'wax.


Elastica was so cool they debuted twice?
 
2013-03-24 08:16:17 PM  
Oops, disregard previous comment. I was looking at the wrong list.
 
2013-03-24 08:21:14 PM  
Black Sabbath at #44? If one album should have been in the top ten it is that one. It's influence is still heard forty years after it's debut.
 
2013-03-24 08:22:23 PM  

italie: Not as bad as I would have thought 7-1, but referencing "Nevermind" FOUR times and leaving it off the list seems counter-intuitive. Either it was a great debut album that set the benchmark for the others, or it wasn't. Make up your mind.


But for one tiny detail: Bleach was Nirvana's debut album.

Just as Catch a Fire wasn't the Wailers' debut album. Chalk it up to an embarrassing bout of cranial flatulence. If I could, I'd replace it with:

tralfaz-archives.com
 
2013-03-24 08:24:08 PM  
why do people feel the need to post the picture rather than just say it?  That goes for beer threads too.
 
2013-03-24 08:26:26 PM  

italie: Elastica was so cool they debuted twice?


the saddest part is that I'm stone-cold sober.

I did have a not-horrible reason though. Alas, it plays better in reality than it reads in text.
 
2013-03-24 08:36:26 PM  

AzDownboy: fusillade762: No "My Bloody Valentine"?

Glider was not the earth shatterer that Loveless was


Ah, my bad. For some reason I thought Loveless was their first album.


italie: Elastica was so cool they debuted twice?


He really likes Elastica.
 
2013-03-24 08:37:41 PM  

fusillade762: He really likes Elastica.


Yup. That as well.
 
2013-03-24 08:41:02 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-24 08:46:13 PM  

Paleorific: Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.


Then you hate blues rock, GnR's debut is one of the greatest albums of all time, beginning to end its one of the few albums you don't skip any track. There are better albums than kanyes and a few others in the top 10, they just put them there to placate the rap crowd.
 
2013-03-24 08:48:56 PM  
How could they even attempt a list like this without including Millions of Dead Cops?
 
2013-03-24 08:52:06 PM  

W.C.fields forever: babysealclubber: 

 the Rolling Stones country stuff,

Sittin' in a bar,tippling a jar in Jackson,
And on the street the summer sun it shines.

/Love that RS country stuff
//Got to scrap that sh*t right off my shooooes



Thank ya Jesus. Thank ya lord
 
2013-03-24 08:52:10 PM  

Sinbox: But for one tiny detail: Bleach was Nirvana's debut album.


Huh...I always thought Bleach was released a year or two later. It appears I stand corrected.

//List is still mostly crap...
 
2013-03-24 09:02:49 PM  
If you stated hip hop shouldn't even be on this list, you need to log off, and go drink your Ensure in time for CSI.

/Not even a hip hop fan
//But hip hop has had a HUGE impact on the last 30 years
 
2013-03-24 09:04:20 PM  
Wait.  No  Bad Company???? What kind of farktardery is this??

I'm okay with the rap, but why must everyone in the music establishment have such an absolute hard-on for The Strokes?  They were just absolutely horrible, proto-hipster dreck.  And I'm sorry, but any album younger than 10 does not belong on a "greatest of all time" list, even if it is the most overrated music magazine of the past fifteen years (and I'm being polite with that figure).
 
2013-03-24 09:09:26 PM  

FriarReb98: Wait.  No  Bad Company???? What kind of farktardery is this??

I'm okay with the rap, but why must everyone in the music establishment have such an absolute hard-on for The Strokes?  They were just absolutely horrible, proto-hipster dreck.  And I'm sorry, but any album younger than 10 does not belong on a "greatest of all time" list, even if it is the most overrated music magazine of the past fifteen years (and I'm being polite with that figure).


Grantland had a series of articles called "The Winners' Circle of Rock n Roll," and in one of them, the writer had a great point. Rock history is written by the losers. It's written by the people who love bands only other critics love, and because critics write all the histories, then all those critical favorites whose albums cratered or stunted upon their sophomore effort get elevated to godhood. They skew history and make you think that Elvis Costello, for instance, was just as popular and longer-lasting than Journey, even though based on numbers alone, Journey blew Costello right out of the water. That doesn't mean Elvis Costello sucks, mind you; it means that rock critics like Journey much less than him, and use their forum to make Costello seem like he's bigger than he ever really was.

The Strokes are now that critical favorite being elevated far beyond what they really were 10 years ago.
 
2013-03-24 09:10:42 PM  
List fails without inclusion of Chicago Transit Authority.
 
2013-03-24 09:13:23 PM  
I knew "Appetite" would be on there, though I didn't think it would be as high as number 4. I still think the best song from that album is "Rocket Queen". It's like two songs in one.
 
2013-03-24 09:18:29 PM  
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2013-03-24 09:21:04 PM  

gardigga: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like my band does?
Animal Nation -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlW55-o5fH0


Wow. I feel like I'm back in 1998 again. That's not a good thing.
 
2013-03-24 09:29:48 PM  
newmusicunited.files.wordpress.com

upload.wikimedia.org

Ohio represent
 
2013-03-24 09:38:54 PM  

fusillade762: Next issue: the 500 best sophomore albums of all time!

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#1 should be easy enough...
 
2013-03-24 09:45:32 PM  

Summoner101: Missing:

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Like 'em or hate 'em, it was a pretty influential record as far as indie music goes


4.bp.blogspot.com

Hell, Song Against Sex alone was freaking revolutionary and ridiculous.

Happy Velvet Underground + Nico got as high as it did.  The top isn't horrible.  The rest is very debatable.
 
2013-03-24 09:48:58 PM  
Look, you get Franz Ferdinand OR The Strokes.

Not both.

/really not either
//fine albums both but nothing effing revolutionary, they were just tighter than other people doing the same thing
///upload.wikimedia.org  = hyped up by the press and actually worth it
 
2013-03-24 09:51:48 PM  
cps-static.rovicorp.com
The only punk album ever made.
 
2013-03-24 09:54:11 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.


Like Frank Sinatra wrote his own hooks and played instruments?  or Billie Holiday?  or Whitney Houston?

I suppose you don't take them seriously either.
 
2013-03-24 09:56:09 PM  
 L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like my band does?
Animal Nation -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlW55-o5fH0
Or these guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm7Xt2Qsjcgor how about these guys?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi42VBd2BAIllmatic not being in the top ten is a travesty. I hate The Strokes, and the Sex Pistols definetely have no place here. But to dismiss the impact hip-hop has had on music and culture over the past 30 years is downright silly.
 
2013-03-24 09:56:10 PM  

PopeoftheFCOTB: List fails without inclusion of Chicago Transit Authority.


I'm ok with that.

//not the exclusion, but your mention of CTA
 
2013-03-24 09:58:02 PM  

mcmnky: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like Frank Sinatra wrote his own hooks and played instruments?  or Billie Holiday?  or Whitney Houston?

I suppose you don't take them seriously either.


They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.
 
2013-03-24 09:58:15 PM  
not sure what happened there..
 
2013-03-24 10:02:07 PM  

The Voice of Doom: Paleorific
Fade2black: theorellior: BizarreMan: A 100 page slideshow?

They ain't out of touch with their advertisers.

I'm sure it was too much trouble to check out the 100 album scroll bar x 10 at the top. Chubby fingers and all.

yep, the deslided link is more cumbersome that the RS post in this case.

I would say it depends on the output format you select..

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Meh.  I'd say actually not too bad.

I could give a couple minor quibbles, but my major issue is, at least half of those albums and most other albums people will suggest should be on the list never exist if we don't get the Beatles first.  How are they not top 10?
 
2013-03-24 10:15:14 PM  

Close2TheEdge: [www.pjf.org.uk image 150x150]

Aargh


Seriously. Why the fark isn't that on the list?
 
2013-03-24 10:19:14 PM  

John Buck 41: They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.


Damn that rapping! Why can't they just sing and fit in to my narrow view of music? It's impossible to be talented at rapping and lyricism, I mean anyone could do it. I bet John Buck could rap like Nas or the guys in Wu-Tang, it's so easy! Right?

/never been into country, but I don't disparage the whole genre because I'm not an idiot.
//I understand people that hate subgenres, but hating a broad genre like hip-hop (or anything) makes you sound either really old or really ignorant.
 
2013-03-24 10:19:28 PM  
I've seen worse lists.

That Top 10 wouldn't be mine, but there's a reasonable argument for the inclusion of pretty much every album there...  except The Strokes.  Plenty of better garage rock re-revival debuts came out around that same time and probably none of them are Top 10 all-time material.

This is a better album than that Strokes album, and it would probably only make my Top 20...

www.intheredrecords.com
 
2013-03-24 10:19:55 PM  

Shadow Blasko: fusillade762: Next issue: the 500 best sophomore albums of all time!
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#1 should be easy enough...


Might have some competition from this:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-03-24 10:20:34 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-24 10:26:55 PM  

mikemoto: Why would Rubber Soul, which is a very inconsistent album rank ahead of Abbey Road, which in many ways is the Beatles best produced album? Yes, there are some great tracks on Rubber Soul, most notably Norwegian Wood. But it also features The Word and Run For Your Life, two songs that John Lennon himself admitted were shiat.


Just goes to show, even if the composer doesn't like the results, the songs will still speak to people.

That's what pushes The Beatles from "a band" to "artists."
 
2013-03-24 10:35:18 PM  

Sinbox: italie: Not as bad as I would have thought 7-1, but referencing "Nevermind" FOUR times and leaving it off the list seems counter-intuitive. Either it was a great debut album that set the benchmark for the others, or it wasn't. Make up your mind.

But for one tiny detail: Bleach was Nirvana's debut album.

Just as Catch a Fire wasn't the Wailers' debut album. Chalk it up to an embarrassing bout of cranial flatulence. If I could, I'd replace it with:

[tralfaz-archives.com image 400x400]


was going to rip into you for that Wailers mistake, but I'll recommend some other debuts instead:
Ijahman - Haile I Hymn
Joe Higgs - LIfe of Contradiction
Fred Locks - Black Star Liners
Hugh Mundell - Africa Must Be Free by 1983
The Wailing Souls - s/t
 
2013-03-24 10:36:40 PM  
What, Mary MacGregor's "Torn Between Two Lovers" didn't make the list?

SHENANIGANS!

www.recordsale.de
 
2013-03-24 10:42:08 PM  

AzDownboy: fusillade762: No "My Bloody Valentine"?

Glider was not the earth shatterer that Loveless was


Wasn't glider an EP? I mean, technically GNR had an EP before appetite as well. But overall that list was pretty reasonable actually.
 
2013-03-24 10:42:20 PM  

cranched: Too NY centric, that's why I stopped reading the mag in 1980.


And yet they didn't bother listing at least one (originally) New York-based act's debut album...

www.geeksofdoom.com
 
2013-03-24 10:48:08 PM  
reykjaviksexfarm.files.wordpress.comOne of the best albums of '83, period.
 
2013-03-24 11:10:47 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: FARK YOU ROLLING STONE!

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Just because I/you are obsessed with those two doesn't make them the greatest.  Besides it has too much Zeppelin influence to be named anything greatest.  Cool yes, greatest of all time?  hmmm.


/Love the Stairway to Heaven cover at the Kennedy Center honors.
 
2013-03-24 11:17:33 PM  
Ziggy Stardust. That is all.
 
2013-03-24 11:21:42 PM  
www.superstarthegump.com
 
2013-03-24 11:24:28 PM  
These kind of lists are way too subjective to rate.

But Appetite for Destruction.
 
2013-03-24 11:24:45 PM  

Wayne 985: Ziggy Stardust. That is all.


Great music, but not even close to a debut.
 
2013-03-24 11:29:42 PM  
I, uh, don't see the fail here.  All of the ones in the top ten were revolutionary debut albums, and laid foundations other bands built upon.

/kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather
 
2013-03-24 11:39:23 PM  

John Buck 41: mcmnky: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like Frank Sinatra wrote his own hooks and played instruments?  or Billie Holiday?  or Whitney Houston?

I suppose you don't take them seriously either.

They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.


Oh, it's this guy again...
 
2013-03-24 11:47:39 PM  
architecture, dancing, yadda yadda
 
2013-03-24 11:51:37 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Top debut albums and no mention of Peter Gabriel?

Rolling Stone is better at economics reporting than music, it seems.
 
2013-03-25 12:01:48 AM  
So like 5 maybe 10 rap albums and just TWO metal albums?  Sabbath invents a genre, gets 45, Metallica at 54?  No Slayer?  No Iron Maiden? Van Halen just gets 27?  If ANYBODY gets to complain about this list, it's metal heads.
 
2013-03-25 12:04:02 AM  

T-Servo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]
Top debut albums and no mention of Peter Gabriel?

Rolling Stone is better at economics reporting than music, it seems.


Damn, I forgot that one!
 
2013-03-25 12:08:03 AM  

TheJoe03: John Buck 41: They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.

Damn that rapping! Why can't they just sing and fit in to my narrow view of music? It's impossible to be talented at rapping and lyricism, I mean anyone could do it. I bet John Buck could rap like Nas or the guys in Wu-Tang, it's so easy! Right?

/never been into country, but I don't disparage the whole genre because I'm not an idiot.
//I understand people that hate subgenres, but hating a broad genre like hip-hop (or anything) makes you sound either really old or really ignorant.


Full disclosure---I have the soundtrack to  He Got Gameby Public Enemy and like it.
 
2013-03-25 12:11:50 AM  
I'll agree with #7, #5, and #3 as top 10 debuts. The rest....not so much. Especially not 'Rifles and Poses.' Crissakes.
 
2013-03-25 12:13:38 AM  

Uzzah: Neko Case, "Fox Confessor Brings the Flood"


Uh, that wasn't her debut. Radio Paradise just plays it that way.

/love RP, but goddamn its a Neko Case station.
 
2013-03-25 12:14:10 AM  

knight_on_the_rail: John Buck 41: mcmnky: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like Frank Sinatra wrote his own hooks and played instruments?  or Billie Holiday?  or Whitney Houston?

I suppose you don't take them seriously either.

They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.

Oh, it's this guy again...


Fark has an ignore option. Feel free to to utilize it.

/Or not. I don't care if some anonymous rap lover reads my posts or not.
//Cheers
 
2013-03-25 12:16:43 AM  

TheJoe03: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Only rock counts, huh? Moron.


Anyone who thinks that gangbangers and other lowlifes who yammer endlessly about biatches and hoes and killing cops (because they sure as heck CAN'T SING), STEAL music from REAL artists because they can't write their own tunes, and can't play musical instruments are on the same level as people who can actually write music, play an instrument, and carry a tune is a moran, IMHO.

I find it amusing that some of you actually pay to see these people stand on a stage and do nothing but cuss and throw stupid gang signs. Will you be willing to shell out $$$ to see them do the same thing thirty years from now?

unitednihilists: You sound old.....

and white....


I'm old enough to know what real music is (it ISN'T some illiterate thug chanting, "fark THA POLICE, or some skank yelling, "YOU A STUPID HOE"). I'm also not white.
 
2013-03-25 12:25:35 AM  
List sucks without Kansas and Abba.  Where do they get these people - off the street??
 
2013-03-25 12:28:53 AM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: List fails without:


great friggin album!

/Hendrix should be#1
//Patti Smiths "Gloria"
///Hendrix's "'Gloria"
////list of top covers?
 
2013-03-25 12:31:25 AM  
I'd say Hendrix should be #1, but I don't have a huge issue with the other top ones.
 
2013-03-25 12:31:40 AM  

steamingpile: Paleorific: Top ten are all worthy.  If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry.  My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums.  Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.

Then you hate blues rock, GnR's debut is one of the greatest albums of all time, beginning to end its one of the few albums you don't skip any track. There are better albums than kanyes and a few others in the top 10, they just put them there to placate the rap crowd.


No, not at all, I did not say I did not like it, just convincing me it is anywhere near top ten is tough.
 
2013-03-25 12:38:06 AM  

Lorelle: Anyone who thinks that gangbangers and other lowlifes who yammer endlessly about biatches and hoes and killing cops (because they sure as heck CAN'T SING), STEAL music from REAL artists because they can't write their own tunes, and can't play musical instruments are on the same level as people who can actually write music, play an instrument, and carry a tune is a moran, IMHO.

I find it amusing that some of you actually pay to see these people stand on a stage and do nothing but cuss and throw stupid gang signs. Will you be willing to shell out $$$ to see them do the same thing thirty years from now?


Good job proving how ignorant you are of hip-hop culture, honestly. Plenty of rappers write about topics not related to disparaging women and promoting violence. Calling sampling "stealing" is pretty amusing to me for someone to say that in 2013 (you know the laws now right?). As for the musical aspect of the genre, you show yourself to be another ignorant old classic rock fan with a narrow mind about electronic based music. Production isn't easy, have you even tried to make a beat of any kind? BTW, have you heard of the Roots? They have set a trend where rappers now have backing bands at live shows, so again you show your musical ignorance.

Considering that hip-hop is about 30 years old, I say yes I would spend money to watch a classic hip hop group. As for watching people throw up gang signs, the only rappers I like that did that were NWA, Tupac, and Snoop Dogg. Basically you are the Republican of music fans. Very conservative, very old fashioned, unwilling to learn about new music, unable to understand new music, and you view hip hop in a very stereotypical fashion and you don't even have any basic knowledge of the music or culture.
 
2013-03-25 12:38:38 AM  
Rolling Stone Greatest ________ Album list. With nothing by Tom Petty. Doesn't make sense.
 
2013-03-25 12:43:00 AM  

Lorelle: I'm old enough to know what real music is (it ISN'T some illiterate thug chanting, "fark THA POLICE, or some skank yelling, "YOU A STUPID HOE"). I'm also not white.


Then stop basing your opinions of the genre on shiatty pop/club rap on the radio.

Here's a couple of examples from the anti-Nicki Minaj of hip-hop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HdzTvH8mvw http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=7siVSslHPMQ
 
2013-03-25 12:47:20 AM  

John Buck 41: Full disclosure---I have the soundtrack to  He Got Gameby Public Enemy and like it.


Well if you dig Public Enemy's style then we're cool.
 
2013-03-25 12:58:24 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Like it or not, you know I'm right.
 
2013-03-25 01:12:48 AM  

TheJoe03: Good job proving how ignorant you are of hip-hop culture, honestly...


Dude, I specifically referred to rap. Pay attention. Lauryn Hill can actually sing every now and then.

I was in high school when Rapper's Delight was released in the late 1970s. The music was stolen ("sampled" is nothing but a euphemism for "stolen;" stop pretending that it isn't) from Chic's "Good Times."

As for the musical aspect of the genre, you show yourself to be another ignorant old classic rock fan with a narrow mind about electronic based music. Production isn't easy, have you even tried to make a beat of any kind? BTW, have you heard of the Roots? They have set a trend where rappers now have backing bands at live shows, so again you show your musical ignorance.

Oh jeez, here's another kid who thinks that electronic music didn't start until the 21st century. FYI: electronic instruments date back to the 1920s.

I can produce a beat right here at my desk, by stomping on the floor or kicking the desk. It's not difficult. I've no doubt I could easily stomp on the floor AND cuss at the same time if I really felt the need to do so.

As for The Roots, I saw them perform at a jazz festival a few years ago with Betty Wright. She was awesome. One dude's yammering ruined the music, though.

You can put a band on a stage with yer average no-talent rapper, and it still won't change the fact that the rapper can't sing, can't write music, and can't play an instrument, just as putting a pile of shiat in a fancy box doesn't make it any less shiatty.

Hell, even Cheech y Chong's Blind Melon Chitlin has more talent than the average rapper.
 
2013-03-25 01:14:16 AM  
Undertow
 
2013-03-25 01:16:25 AM  

Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: A  Rolling Stone Greatest ________ Album list. With nothing by Tom Petty. Doesn't make sense.


*checks list*

By golly, you're right. Breakdown and American Girl are on his debut album, too.
 
2013-03-25 01:16:43 AM  

Lorelle: Oh jeez, here's another kid who thinks that electronic music didn't start until the 21st century. FYI: electronic instruments date back to the 1920s.

I can produce a beat right here at my desk, by stomping on the floor or kicking the desk. It's not difficult. I've no doubt I could easily stomp on the floor AND cuss at the same time if I really felt the need to do so.

As for The Roots, I saw them perform at a jazz festival a few years ago with Betty Wright. She was awesome. One dude's yammering ruined the music, though.

You can put a band on a stage with yer average no-talent rapper, and it still won't change the fact that the rapper can't sing, can't write music, and can't play an instrument, just as putting a pile of shiat in a fancy box doesn't make it any less shiatty.

Hell, even Cheech y Chong's Blind Melon Chitlin has more talent than the average rapper.


Oh well, can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess.

/producing a beat for a record is the same as stomping on the floor to Lorelle, damn she's so knowledgeable about music!
//still waiting for Boomers to die off and let us progress in peace
///electronic music (as a genre) started in the late 70s/early 80s with disco, electro, house, techno and all that. Who think's it started in 2001?
////you don't really know shiat about music, but it's okay.
 
2013-03-25 01:28:10 AM  

TheJoe03: /producing a beat for a record is the same as stomping on the floor to Lorelle, damn she's so knowledgeable about music!
//still waiting for Boomers to die off and let us progress in peace
///electronic music (as a genre) started in the late 70s/early 80s with disco, electro, house, techno and all that. Who think's it started in 2001?
////you don't really know shiat about music, but it's okay.


Knowledgeable enough to know that electronic music didn't start in the late 1970s. Ever hear of Switched-On-Bach? That album was HUGE in 1968.

Rap isn't progressive; if anything, it's regressive. Ever watch Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom? The cavemen were light years ahead of rappers.

/amused
 
2013-03-25 01:30:50 AM  

John Buck 41: knight_on_the_rail: John Buck 41: mcmnky: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like Frank Sinatra wrote his own hooks and played instruments?  or Billie Holiday?  or Whitney Houston?

I suppose you don't take them seriously either.

They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.

Oh, it's this guy again...

Fark has an ignore option. Feel free to to utilize it.

/Or not. I don't care if some anonymous rap lover reads my posts or not.
//Cheers


I was just commenting on you being you...

/Never owned a rap album or song in my life.
//Cheers
 
2013-03-25 01:31:53 AM  
Happy to see Portishead getting 'spect. Beasties at number one? Puhleeze. And I *like* them.

Also, Trolling Stone strikes again with a "Top X of all Time" article.
 
2013-03-25 01:36:55 AM  
Lorelle I'd love to see you put together 16 cohesive bars that rhyme and fit them to a beat that you produced yourself. sure, theres no talent involved at all..
 
2013-03-25 01:37:02 AM  

Lorelle: Knowledgeable enough to know that electronic music didn't start in the late 1970s. Ever hear of Switched-On-Bach? That album was HUGE in 1968


Yes and people have rapping for hundreds of years, that didn't mean hip hop or rap was a genre back then.  It's like MC5, would you call them punk just because they had the attributes? No, it was proto-punk that set the stage to the genre actually being realized. The whole electronic and DJ scene was not really a thing in the 60s, it was people experimenting with new technology that led to electronic music becoming a genre. You know Jill Scott Heron, right? Are you going to call him a rapper just because he was proto-rap and set the stage. Would scat artists people considered hip hop artists as well? You're just being obtuse at this point.
 
2013-03-25 01:39:59 AM  

Lorelle: Rap isn't progressive; if anything, it's regressive. Ever watch Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom? The cavemen were light years ahead of rappers.


You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.
 
2013-03-25 01:41:02 AM  

John Buck 41: Fark has an ignore option. Feel free to to utilize it.


Personally I favorite farkers with.. intreresting opinions
/3 from this thread so far
//no, no fancy colour for you
 
2013-03-25 01:42:16 AM  

pimpnutz: Lorelle I'd love to see you put together 16 cohesive bars that rhyme and fit them to a beat that you produced yourself. sure, theres no talent involved at all..


She has her mind made up and she's content living in the distant past. I'd love to hear her attempt at rap, just imagine how terrible it would be. Oh and the beat would probably suck hard, even if she knew production.
 
2013-03-25 01:48:30 AM  
It just amazes me how ignorant people can be. Just because the nonsense you hear on the radio is so watered down and horrible doesn't mean there aren't a million great artists out there doing the genre justice. educate yourself before you make such heavy comments.
 
2013-03-25 02:01:01 AM  

pimpnutz: Lorelle I'd love to see you put together 16 cohesive bars that rhyme and fit them to a beat that you produced yourself. sure, theres no talent involved at all..


What's so difficult about yelling "YOU A STUPID HOE" 16 times in a row while kicking my desk??

I do have a keyboard and a violin (and a piano at my mom's house). It won't take more than a few seconds to get a beat going on said keyboard (right now, I'm partial to bossa nova). I could also steal, er, "sample" some music that's currently in my collection, create a 3-minute long repetitive loop of said music, and then cuss over it. No special talent required.

TheJoe03:
Yes and people have rapping for hundreds of years, that didn't mean hip hop or rap was a genre back then.  It's like MC5, would you call them punk just because they had the attributes? No, it was proto-punk that set the stage to the genre actually being realized. The whole electronic and DJ scene was not really a thing in the 60s, it was people experimenting with new technology that led to electronic music becoming a genre. You know Jill Scott Heron, right? Are you going to call him a rapper just because he was proto-rap and set the stage. Would scat artists people considered hip hop artists as well? You're just being obtuse at this point.

Oh Jeez Louise.

First of all, there were other groups that were doing punk-like stuff years before MC5, such as The Music Machine and The Seeds (check out Talk Talk and Pushin' Too Hard). Second, it's GIL Scott-Heron, not Jill. He didn't steal others' music, either. And you claim to be soooo knowledgeable about music...
 
2013-03-25 02:03:50 AM  

Lorelle: What's so difficult about yelling "YOU A STUPID HOE" 16 times in a row while kicking my desk??


You're retarded. I guess I'm going to judge rock based on Nickelback. Damn troll.
 
2013-03-25 02:04:25 AM  

Lorelle: First of all, there were other groups that were doing punk-like stuff years before MC5, such as The Music Machine and The Seeds (check out Talk Talk and Pushin' Too Hard). Second, it's GIL Scott-Heron, not Jill. He didn't steal others' music, either. And you claim to be soooo knowledgeable about music...


Way to miss the point.
 
2013-03-25 02:08:58 AM  
If thats your idea of hip hop then maybe you should get out more.
 
2013-03-25 02:13:16 AM  
Your music taste is that of a 60 year old man. I'm 31 and even my mom has a Run DMC cd in her collection. Yeesh.
 
2013-03-25 02:13:54 AM  

kab: Interesting list, since them all being debut albums is a twist.  And as with most lists, it's rather lacking.

You include Kill 'Em All, but leave out Show No Mercy by Slayer?
You include Tidal, but leave out Little Earthquakes?

And this comment made me giggle:
#26:  A rap album? The idea was esoteric back in 1984,

Not really.  In fact, this duo was rather dull and predictable to listen to compared to their contemporaries back then.

Finally, lots of game changers are listed lower on the list than bands that won't be remembered a decade from now.  Boston, Black Sabbath, and Pearl Jam debuts should be higher on the list, for example.


Show No Mercy was nothing compared to Hell Awaits.  There were actually several bands I'd never heard of on the list, but my entire musical knowledge has just a tiny bit of smattering of 60's and early 70's that was absorbed via pop culture, more than anything else, considering that my parents grew up in the 40's and 50's, and me in the 80's and 90's.
 
2013-03-25 02:14:45 AM  
I think she's secretly a Nicki Minaj fan and is ashamed of it, so she takes it out on the entire hip hop culture. 2nd time she's mentioned that awful song from an artist hip-hop heads really hate.
 
2013-03-25 02:16:40 AM  

pimpnutz: Your music taste is that of a 60 year old man. I'm 31 and even my mom has a Run DMC cd in her collection. Yeesh.


My dad was born in 57, and even he admits he likes Tupac and Outkast. For some reason he really loves California Love and Changes.
 
2013-03-25 02:17:10 AM  
what is a beat?
 
2013-03-25 02:19:28 AM  

Bongo Blue: what is a beat?


A hip-hop instrumental. Originally derived from the break beats found in 70s records.
 
2013-03-25 02:29:27 AM  

TheJoe03: Lorelle: Rap isn't progressive; if anything, it's regressive. Ever watch Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom? The cavemen were light years ahead of rappers.

You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.


Normally I would stay out of this argument because I don't have that strong an opinion either way. That, regardless of how atonal and absurd many things some people miscategorize as 'music'But this, "you don't know shiat about hip hop culture ". Really? You're seriously going to try to assertculturenow? Are you farking kidding me? Is a cultural rite of passage piercing your ear drums?

 Asserting culture for hip-hop is seriously farking ridiculous. That's like calling the latest stupid teen craze culture. Hip-hop music is no more culture than snap bracelets or tamagotchi. They can congratulate each other and give each other awards and accolades for puking to autotune and synth drums all they want and I could really care less. I don't have to listen to it so I really don't care if anyone else does or whether or not they enjoy it.

You could call it a literary movement or artistic tradition even, that at least has SOME accuracy. You could say that hip-hop is like Dada, although pretty sure punk already fits that description.

/So I guess that makes Rap the new beatniks?
//Rhyming and sounding stupid to everyone who's not stoned?
///slashies for mostly joking about the beatnik part
 
2013-03-25 02:30:24 AM  

TheJoe03: Way to miss the point.


Oh no, I see it quite clearly. You're hell-bent on insisting that lame, disposable tripe is something special. It isn't. Even bubblegum music, as annoying as it is, is better (and I wouldn't be surprised to find that some rapper has already "sampled" Sugar Sugar, Chewy Chewy, or Yummy Yummy Yummy).

I forgot to mention in my previous comment that Scott-Heron could also sing.
 
2013-03-25 02:34:06 AM  

kasmel: Asserting culture for hip-hop is seriously farking ridiculous.


MCing, DJing, graffitti art, and breakdancing. That is the hip hop culture, it's been around since the late 70s. Rock has a culture too, but it's not as defined as hip-hop. Believe it or not, but that's the truth.
 
2013-03-25 02:34:14 AM  

TheJoe03: Bongo Blue: what is a beat?

A hip-hop instrumental. Originally derived from the break beats found in 70s records.


gimme something I can hear on youtube.
Don't link,I'm on a cell.
 
2013-03-25 02:36:55 AM  

Bongo Blue: gimme something I can hear on youtube.
Don't link,I'm on a cell.


You just want instrumentals?
 
2013-03-25 02:39:49 AM  

TheJoe03: Bongo Blue: gimme something I can hear on youtube.
Don't link,I'm on a cell.

You just want instrumentals?


anything that helps me understand the beat.
 
2013-03-25 02:39:59 AM  

kasmel: TheJoe03: Lorelle: Rap isn't progressive; if anything, it's regressive. Ever watch Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom? The cavemen were light years ahead of rappers.

You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.

Normally I would stay out of this argument because I don't have that strong an opinion either way. That, regardless of how atonal and absurd many things some people miscategorize as 'music'But this, "you don't know shiat about hip hop culture ". Really? You're seriously going to try to assertculturenow? Are you farking kidding me? Is a cultural rite of passage piercing your ear drums?

 Asserting culture for hip-hop is seriously farking ridiculous. That's like calling the latest stupid teen craze culture. Hip-hop music is no more culture than snap bracelets or tamagotchi. They can congratulate each other and give each other awards and accolades for puking to autotune and synth drums all they want and I could really care less. I don't have to listen to it so I really don't care if anyone else does or whether or not they enjoy it.

You could call it a literary movement or artistic tradition even, that at least has SOME accuracy. You could say that hip-hop is like Dada, although pretty sure punk already fits that description.

/So I guess that makes Rap the new beatniks?
//Rhyming and sounding stupid to everyone who's not stoned?
///slashies for mostly joking about the beatnik part



cul·ture  (kn.
1. a. The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.b. These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population: Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty.c. These patterns, traits, and products considered with respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of expression: religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture; oral culture.d. The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.
 
2013-03-25 02:44:28 AM  

John Buck 41: knight_on_the_rail: John Buck 41: mcmnky: L.D. Ablo: Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Well, yes.

I might take rap seriously if they started writing their own hooks and playing instruments.

Like Frank Sinatra wrote his own hooks and played instruments?  or Billie Holiday?  or Whitney Houston?

I suppose you don't take them seriously either.

They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.

Oh, it's this guy again...

Fark has an ignore option. Feel free to to utilize it.

/Or not. I don't care if some anonymous rap lover reads my posts or not.
//Cheers


You sure told him!
 
2013-03-25 02:45:41 AM  

kasmel: TheJoe03: Lorelle: Rap isn't progressive; if anything, it's regressive. Ever watch Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom? The cavemen were light years ahead of rappers.

You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.

Normally I would stay out of this argument because I don't have that strong an opinion either way. That, regardless of how atonal and absurd many things some people miscategorize as 'music'But this, "you don't know shiat about hip hop culture ". Really? You're seriously going to try to assertculturenow? Are you farking kidding me? Is a cultural rite of passage piercing your ear drums?

 Asserting culture for hip-hop is seriously farking ridiculous. That's like calling the latest stupid teen craze culture. Hip-hop music is no more culture than snap bracelets or tamagotchi. They can congratulate each other and give each other awards and accolades for puking to autotune and synth drums all they want and I could really care less. I don't have to listen to it so I really don't care if anyone else does or whether or not they enjoy it.

You could call it a literary movement or artistic tradition even, that at least has SOME accuracy. You could say that hip-hop is like Dada, although pretty sure punk already fits that description.

/So I guess that makes Rap the new beatniks?
//Rhyming and sounding stupid to everyone who's not stoned?
///slashies for mostly joking about the beatnik part



You, sir, are an asshat for thinking hip-hop culture is limited to the music. Once again, could we educate ourselves before we say such idiotic things? I'm glad that something thats been around 30+ years is now comparable to a Tamagotchi...
 
2013-03-25 02:46:34 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Wait a minute, crappy rap in the top 20, but no Meatloaf?

Why did they even bother?


I checked - Bat Out of Hell wasn't his debut album so I can let that slide.  The rest of the list is such an abomination though.  Every single song on Boston's debut album get's heavy airplay and it doesn't crack the top 40?  Gimme a break. Are You Experienced deserves the number one slot.

P.S.  Fleet Foxes deserved to make the list.
 
2013-03-25 02:50:43 AM  

TheJoe03: Bongo Blue: what is a beat?

A hip-hop instrumental. Originally derived from the break beats found in 70s records.


But that's not important right now.
 
2013-03-25 02:51:40 AM  

funktilious_j: And I agree, Appetite for Destruction was and is an amazing album. Think of what was popular at the time, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken. Hair bands doing some hard rock songs and power ballads. Then this monstrosity comes along. That album is still one of my favorites, it was so goddamn dark.


People always say Nirvana was responsible for killing hair metal. GnR did a lot of the work for 'em.

/surprised Bleach & For You didn't make the list.
 
2013-03-25 02:56:09 AM  

RevMercutio: funktilious_j: And I agree, Appetite for Destruction was and is an amazing album. Think of what was popular at the time, Poison, Cinderella, Dokken. Hair bands doing some hard rock songs and power ballads. Then this monstrosity comes along. That album is still one of my favorites, it was so goddamn dark.

People always say Nirvana was responsible for killing hair metal. GnR did a lot of the work for 'em.

/surprised Bleach & For You didn't make the list.


And Butch Vig. And DGC Records/Universal Music Group
 
2013-03-25 02:56:39 AM  

Bongo Blue: TheJoe03: Bongo Blue: gimme something I can hear on youtube.
Don't link,I'm on a cell.

You just want instrumentals?

anything that helps me understand the beat.


What you need to know first is hip-hop instrumentals are typically 4/4 beats around 90 bpm.

A good example of an early 80's beat would be Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa and Zulu Nation, the Message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Apache (Jump on it) by Sugarhill Gang, Children's Story by Slick Rick, Rock the Bells by LL Cool J, Brass Monkey by Beastie Boys, the Bridge is Over by KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions, It Takes Two by Rob Base, Paul Revere by the Beastie Boys, etc.

Good beats from the 90s would include Shook Ones Part II by Mobb Deep, They Reminisce Over You by Pete Rock and CL Smooth, CREAM by Wu-Tang, Juice (Know the Ledge) by Rakim, the Choice is Yours by Black Sheep, Ruff Ryders Anthem by DMX, Ice Cream by Raekwon, 93 till Infinity by Souls of Mischief, Passin Me By by Pharcyde, Still DRE by Dr Dre, Flava in Ya Ear by Craig Mack, I got 5 on it by Luniz, Luchini (This is it) by Camp Lo, etc.

Already named too many people so I didn't want to get into 00s beats, which are more futuristic and kind of back to the electro style that was going on in the early 80s.
 
2013-03-25 03:01:09 AM  

rook2112: Are You Experienced deserves the number one slot.


Back to the topic, I totally agree with that. Ill Communication ended up being the Beastie Boys weakest (or bottom 2 or 3) album. It was still good, but Are You Experienced? was arguably Jimi Hendrix's best album and we all now his place is modern music history.
 
2013-03-25 03:01:47 AM  
*know
 
2013-03-25 03:02:48 AM  
Oh and not all those 80s beats were early 80s, I wrote that when I was intending on breaking it down more (but that was too much work).
 
2013-03-25 03:05:25 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Wait a minute, crappy rap in the top 20, but no Meatloaf?


[Chandler Bing voice]Could you  be any whiter?[/Bing]
 
2013-03-25 03:09:39 AM  
As far as what I dug when I was a teen in the 00s, MF DOOM, Mos Def, Living Legends, Atmosphere, Eyedea and Abilities, and even the hated Kanye had great beats (and all except Kanye had great lyrics as well).
 
2013-03-25 03:11:40 AM  

TheJoe03: A good example of an early 80's beat would be Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa and Zulu Nation, the Message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5,  Apache (Jump on it) by Sugarhill Gang,


Which was stolen from a British instrumental from the early 1960s.
 
2013-03-25 03:14:49 AM  
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2013-03-25 03:16:07 AM  
What's funny is that ever since you had to start paying for samples, hip hop has gone away from that style. Paul's Boutique is one of the best electronic based albums of all time, but such an album can't be made anymore because of squares like Lorelle.
 
2013-03-25 03:24:16 AM  

TheJoe03: What's funny is that ever since you had to start paying for samples, hip hop has gone away from that style. Paul's Boutique is one of the best electronic based albums of all time, but such an album can't be made anymore because of squares like Lorelle.


If not liking shiat makes me L7, then so be it.

I'm glad that music thieves can't get away with it anymore. The artists whose music has been shamelessly ripped off should be compensated for their work.
 
2013-03-25 03:30:45 AM  

Lorelle: I'm glad that music thieves can't get away with it anymore. The artists whose music has been shamelessly ripped off should be compensated for their work.


Damn criminals! Ha, anyways, they have been compensated. Samples have to be cleared now, it's hardly stealing. A lot of hip-hop music should be seen as a collage of music based on digging in the crates for awesome breakbeats and samples, and blending the different sounds together into something completely new and in many cases they make the original song sound better. It even makes hip hop fans find where the sample came from and listen to the artists.

This is why hip hop fans are less likely to insult rock or electronic music since they derive their own music from such a large pool of music. I always liked the genre for this reason, the instrumentals are almost limitless. I've heard blues, jazz, electronic, metal, punk, alternative, country, foreign, whatever in hip hop beats and I love it. Now hip hop samples older hip hop and it sounds great (when done right of course). It's a generational thing, you were probably too old to understand it at the time while I was born when hip hop was coming into its own (late 80s).
 
2013-03-25 03:35:46 AM  

Lorelle: TheJoe03: What's funny is that ever since you had to start paying for samples, hip hop has gone away from that style. Paul's Boutique is one of the best electronic based albums of all time, but such an album can't be made anymore because of squares like Lorelle.

If not liking shiat makes me L7, then so be it.

I'm glad that music thieves can't get away with it anymore. The artists whose music has been shamelessly ripped off should be compensated for their work.


beach boys did it.
Led zepplin did it.
Nothing new there.
And they were nailed for it.
Spirit got sampled twice, 30 yrs apart.
Those guys were good.
 
2013-03-25 03:36:40 AM  
Have you even heard Paul's Boutique? Just how much are you talking our of your ass? I actually love classic rock and all kinds of stuff you would probably enjoy, so I actually know things about those genres. You, on the other hand, are coming from a position of total ignorance of hip hop music, and the only song you know was made by Nicki Minaj. It would be like a hip hop fan insulting rock music and using Creed as an example of why they think it sucks.
 
2013-03-25 03:40:12 AM  
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2013-03-25 03:49:00 AM  

TheJoe03: Damn criminals! Ha, anyways, they have been compensated. Samples have to be cleared now, it's hardly stealing. A lot of hip-hop music should be seen as a collage of music based on digging in the crates for awesome breakbeats and samples, and blending the different sounds together into something completely new and in many cases they make the original song sound better. It even makes hip hop fans find where the sample came from and listen to the artists.

This is why hip hop fans are less likely to insult rock or electronic music since they derive their own music from such a large pool of music. I always liked the genre for this reason, the instrumentals are almost limitless. I've heard blues, jazz, electronic, metal, punk, alternative, country, foreign, whatever in hip hop beats and I love it. Now hip hop samples older hip hop and it sounds great (when done right of course). It's a generational thing, you were probably too old to understand it at the time while I was born when hip hop was coming into its own (late 80s).


So the young vultures are now ripping off the old vultures...not surprising. Originality is truly dead.

I recall reading somewhere quite some time ago that the surviving Beatles weren't too happy about the Beastie Boys ripping off their music.

Every now and then I hear rap crap that's heavily based on classic stuff from Led Zeppelin, Supertramp, etc. It sucks. I'll take the full versions of the source music, thankyouverymuch.
 
2013-03-25 03:51:23 AM  

TheJoe03: I've heard blues, jazz, electronic, metal, punk, alternative, country, foreign, whatever


How dare I forget soul and funk based beats, I'm slipping.
 
2013-03-25 03:53:06 AM  

Lorelle: So the young vultures are now ripping off the old vultures...not surprising. Originality is truly dead.


You realize the people that were doing all the sampling are in their 40s and 50s now? Like Bongo Blue pointed out, a lot of the 70s bands were ripping off blues artists big time.
 
2013-03-25 03:55:51 AM  

TheJoe03: Bongo Blue: TheJoe03: Bongo Blue: gimme something I can hear on youtube.
Don't link,I'm on a cell.

You just want instrumentals?

anything that helps me understand the beat.

What you need to know first is hip-hop instrumentals are typically 4/4 beats around 90 bpm.

A good example of an early 80's beat would be Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa and Zulu Nation, the Message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, Apache (Jump on it) by Sugarhill Gang, Children's Story by Slick Rick, Rock the Bells by LL Cool J, Brass Monkey by Beastie Boys, the Bridge is Over by KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions, It Takes Two by Rob Base, Paul Revere by the Beastie Boys, etc.

Good beats from the 90s would include Shook Ones Part II by Mobb Deep, They Reminisce Over You by Pete Rock and CL Smooth, CREAM by Wu-Tang, Juice (Know the Ledge) by Rakim, the Choice is Yours by Black Sheep, Ruff Ryders Anthem by DMX, Ice Cream by Raekwon, 93 till Infinity by Souls of Mischief, Passin Me By by Pharcyde, Still DRE by Dr Dre, Flava in Ya Ear by Craig Mack, I got 5 on it by Luniz, Luchini (This is it) by Camp Lo, etc.

Already named too many people so I didn't want to get into 00s beats, which are more futuristic and kind of back to the electro style that was going on in the early 80s.


thanks. I needed to understand where you were coming from.
I think you and the lady defined beat a little different.
 
2013-03-25 03:57:40 AM  

TheJoe03: Lorelle: So the young vultures are now ripping off the old vultures...not surprising. Originality is truly dead.

You realize the people that were doing all the sampling are in their 40s and 50s now? Like Bongo Blue pointed out, a lot of the 70s bands were ripping off blues artists big time.


It's well-known that the Beach Boys had to cut Chuck Berry in on the profits for Surfin' USA and George Harrison was sued because My Sweet Lord sounded too much like The Chiffons' He's So Fine. They didn't  steal the artists' actual recordings, though.
 
2013-03-25 04:03:26 AM  

Lorelle: It's well-known that the Beach Boys had to cut Chuck Berry in on the profits for Surfin' USA and George Harrison was sued because My Sweet Lord sounded too much like The Chiffons' He's So Fine. They didn't  steal the artists' actual recordings, though.


So what you're saying is that you are still mad that hip hop artists got away with free samples 30 years ago? Move on. All music is derivative anyway, the "beat" (rhythm) you hate so much is the basis of all music.

Honest question, does the fact that hip hop love rhythm, rhymes, drums, and bass more than rock throw you off? I've personally always liked downtempo music with a good rhythm and solid bass (I play bass, btw), and I love lyrics so lyrical hip hop suits my tastes well. Just letting you know why I like the genre so you might understand this kind of point of view better.
 
2013-03-25 04:04:59 AM  
I also hope you know it's well known that hip-hop artists were eventually forced to pay for their samples, what's the difference? I'd take a collage over a cover song any day.
 
2013-03-25 04:06:10 AM  

Lorelle: TheJoe03: Lorelle: So the young vultures are now ripping off the old vultures...not surprising. Originality is truly dead.

You realize the people that were doing all the sampling are in their 40s and 50s now? Like Bongo Blue pointed out, a lot of the 70s bands were ripping off blues artists big time.

It's well-known that the Beach Boys had to cut Chuck Berry in on the profits for Surfin' USA and George Harrison was sued because My Sweet Lord sounded too much like The Chiffons' He's So Fine. They didn't  steal the artists' actual recordings, though.


no, they just played it exactly the same, claimed it as their own.
Of course, nothing gets by Mr Berry.
 
2013-03-25 04:12:09 AM  

TheJoe03: So what you're saying is that you are still mad that hip hop artists got away with free samples 30 years ago? Move on. All music is derivative anyway, the "beat" (rhythm) you hate so much is the basis of all music.

Honest question, does the fact that hip hop love rhythm, rhymes, drums, and bass more than rock throw you off? I've personally always liked downtempo music with a good rhythm and solid bass (I play bass, btw), and I love lyrics so lyrical hip hop suits my tastes well. Just letting you know why I like the genre so you might understand this kind of point of view better.


No, I detest the stupid lyrics, terrible voices, and lack of originality. I'd rather listen to Billy Don't Be A Hero (which sucks big time) than:

I'm the Queen of Miami. All that loud talkin, lyin, save that sh*t for your mammy. Sounds like "blah, blah blah, blah bla blah-blah," I'm like uh-huh (uh-huh) okay (okay), Whassup (whassup) SHUT UP!"

or this rather profound statement:

I like them black, white, Puerto Rican, or Haitian,

Like Japanese, Chinese, or even Asian


Now that I think about it, the vulture-upon-vulture stuff started back in the 1980s...Doug E. Fresh ripped off the Inspector Gadget theme, which in turn was a ripoff of Grieg's In The Hall of the Mountain King.
 
2013-03-25 04:14:04 AM  

Bongo Blue: thanks. I needed to understand where you were coming from.


No problem man, I love music and I enjoy introducing someone to something they haven't heard before. Personally, I love when people introduce me to music I never delved into as well, I got into a lot of stuff that way.
 
2013-03-25 04:15:11 AM  

Lorelle: I like them black, white, Puerto Rican, or Haitian,

Like Japanese, Chinese, or even Asian


Great song, A Tribe Called Quest is one of the best groups from the 90s.
 
2013-03-25 04:17:27 AM  
I like em brown, yellow, Puerto Rican, or Haitian
Name is Phife Dawg from the Zulu Nation
 
2013-03-25 04:21:04 AM  

TheJoe03: I like em brown, yellow, Puerto Rican, or Haitian
Name is Phife Dawg from the Zulu Nation


Oooohh Kayyyy.

It's rather late. This old lady needs her beauty sleep. Thanks for the nice, long argument. :)
 
2013-03-25 04:25:18 AM  

Lorelle: It's rather late. This old lady needs her beauty sleep. Thanks for the nice, long argument. :)


Good night, always nice to talk music and remember to keep on rockin in the free world.
 
2013-03-25 04:39:49 AM  
The Ramones are some kind of practical joke that someone is playing on everybody, right?
 
2013-03-25 06:43:50 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-25 06:57:23 AM  
The Who's debut at 94 and Roxy Music's at 62, with Boston's debut twenty-one slots above that?

And no Pixies?

We are most definitely done here.

/I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."
//"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear.
///Let's go. Let's sit. Let's talk.
////Politics goes so good with beer. . . .
 
2013-03-25 07:14:28 AM  
List fails without

image.betamonline.com

in the top 10.
 
2013-03-25 08:27:04 AM  

Lorelle: I'm old enough to know what real music is (it ISN'T some illiterate thug chanting, "fark THA POLICE, or some skank yelling, "YOU A STUPID HOE"). I'm also not white.


That doesn't mean you're not an idiot.
 
2013-03-25 08:28:17 AM  

markfara: The Who's debut at 94 and Roxy Music's at 62, with Boston's debut twenty-one slots above that?

And no Pixies?

We are most definitely done here.

/I said, "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed."
//"I like Lou Reed," she said, sticking her tongue in my ear.
///Let's go. Let's sit. Let's talk.
////Politics goes so good with beer. . . .


I'm with ya. How can you not put the band who's music basically created the 90's rock sound higher?
 
2013-03-25 08:42:42 AM  
Replace the superfluous Elastica with:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-25 08:45:07 AM  

konigsforst: was going to rip into you for that Wailers mistake, but I'll recommend some other debuts instead:
Ijahman - Haile I Hymn
Joe Higgs - LIfe of Contradiction
Fred Locks - Black Star Liners
Hugh Mundell - Africa Must Be Free by 1983
The Wailing Souls - s/t


Thank you. Some I know, some i don't. I'll be checking the don't knows out during the low and slow hours this afternoon.
 
2013-03-25 09:22:24 AM  

Shadow Blasko: fusillade762: Next issue: the 500 best sophomore albums of all time!
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#1 should be easy enough...


True, true, true...
 
2013-03-25 09:57:02 AM  

Sinbox: pic of LAMF and other records


Dude I am a HUGE Heartbreakers/Thunders fan and have performed with Walter Lure, but LAMF is a TERRIBLE sounding album LP recorded and mixed by inexperienced junkies.  It's only when you hear the live stuff you realize how great (some of) the songs were and how incredible ferocious that band was...

As for the whole list, I thought it was pretty good, but I am NY Centric also.  Although like many of you when I got to Kanye I threw up in my mouth a little...
 
2013-03-25 10:05:29 AM  

pimpnutz: the Sex Pistols definetely have no place here.


You'll have to explain that one to me.  NMTB makes nearly every critics top LPs of all time list.  You can not like it but agree it belongs, as I don't like the first Van Halen LP.
 
2013-03-25 10:09:04 AM  
man, that one album by that one band that 8 people have heard should be #1.

Start a magazine and make your own list.

Oh, and music is art not a competition.

Now to be a hypocrite Ruby Vroom should be on there.
 
2013-03-25 10:45:36 AM  
No matter what your musical tastes and preferences are, you have to agree that Van Halen was too important to music to have that far down the list.
 
2013-03-25 10:46:44 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-25 12:42:41 PM  
Haven't read through the thread, but - some of those are not debut albums.    Oh you mean the "commercial" albums.    Nevermind.
 
2013-03-25 02:27:42 PM  
Rolling Stone is in the business of selling magazines. This list was manufactured to be hip and retro in all the right places, that's all.
 
2013-03-25 05:08:05 PM  
Lorelle: So i've seen you quote Nicki Minaj and Trinidad James. Lets just face the facts that you don't even know what hip hop IS, and maybe just keep your mouth shut on the subject completely. And before we start getting into the music I listen to, be aware that I've roadied for Roger Daltry, maintain a deep love for bluegrass, and pretty much love all music. Except jazz. But even the stuff I don't like, I appreciate for what it's given to whatever culture it was involved in. And you won't hear me giving my two cents in jazz discussions, so maybe you should consider the same. Jus sayin.
 
2013-03-25 08:11:07 PM  

TheJoe03: Have you even heard Paul's Boutique? Just how much are you talking our of your ass? I actually love classic rock and all kinds of stuff you would probably enjoy, so I actually know things about those genres. You, on the other hand, are coming from a position of total ignorance of hip hop music, and the only song you know was made by Nicki Minaj. It would be like a hip hop fan insulting rock music and using Creed as an example of why they think it sucks.


Who are you talking to?
 
2013-03-25 11:54:40 PM  

fusillade762: TheJoe03: Have you even heard Paul's Boutique? Just how much are you talking our of your ass? I actually love classic rock and all kinds of stuff you would probably enjoy, so I actually know things about those genres. You, on the other hand, are coming from a position of total ignorance of hip hop music, and the only song you know was made by Nicki Minaj. It would be like a hip hop fan insulting rock music and using Creed as an example of why they think it sucks.

Who are you talking to?


Lorelle, she had just called it shiat based on how it was made I believe.
 
2013-03-26 12:51:59 AM  
I don't even care for the guy all that much but no Texas Flood?
 
2013-03-26 12:53:40 AM  
No Dead Kennedys or Black Flag?
 
2013-03-26 01:40:15 AM  
Chicago Transit Authority should be somewhere on there. Other than that, not too bad.
 
2013-03-26 01:47:53 AM  
Wow, I own over half of those.

Most surprised to see:  Wire - Pink Flag.

Most surprised to NOT see:  Duran Duran, Tori Amos

Most surprised it's not higher:  Madonna

Most surprised it's so high:  Arcade Fire ... should I be listening to this band?
 
2013-03-26 04:35:00 AM  

brandent: GreatGlavinsGhost: FARK YOU ROLLING STONE!

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Just because I/you are obsessed with those two doesn't make them the greatest.  Besides it has too much Zeppelin influence to be named anything greatest.  Cool yes, greatest of all time?  hmmm.


/Love the Stairway to Heaven cover at the Kennedy Center honors.


The list is for great debut album. Top 100 of them. I think DA falls in there somewhere.
 
2013-03-26 02:23:53 PM  

Slow To Return: Wow, I own over half of those.

Most surprised to see:  Wire - Pink Flag.

Most surprised to NOT see:  Duran Duran, Tori Amos

Most surprised it's not higher:  Madonna

Most surprised it's so high:  Arcade Fire ... should I be listening to this band?


Absolutely, but not that album. This one:

upload.wikimedia.org
Neon Bible
 
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