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(Huffington Post)   How will The Governor deal with Andrea's betrayal? Will Michonne finally get a chance to unleash her fury? Will Carl kill again? It's the penultimate episode of The Walking Dead season 3, and this is your discussion thread, 9PM ET on AMC   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 59
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2013-03-24 07:13:28 PM  
4 votes:

thismomentinblackhistory:

What role do you see Milton playing?


Milton's philosophy seems to be "It is better to be at the devil's right hand than in his path" He knows how crazy the Gov is but he won't dare cross him. So far he has a comparatively easy life because of the Gov. All of Woodbury does.

How do you think the final battle will play out?


Poorly. Because the writers/director have no tactical sense themselves. All the gun battles so far have been amateurishly FILMED not just fought. I can understand that the combatants have little or no training so they don't perform well but it just looks like terrible cliche by the numbers Hollywood firefights.


Neither side has any idea what their strengths and advantages even are over the other. The prison would make good Viet Cong style deathtrap. Rick's group should just fabricate a bunch of Wile E Coyote style booby traps and wait. Use the inner yard full of zombies as another layer of defense. Nobody is sneaking through that silently.

Woodbury is a giant pillow fort. They don't have enough bodies to properly patrol the perimeter. Every single night Michonne or even Daryll could stealth in to kill just one person and sneak out again. Panic sets in and the town falls apart. Or go one further than that and just toss a few molotovs over the wall. There isn't any more fire department. The whole place might go up depending on the wind.


The Gov has superior numbers and like any war this should get won by logistics. Camp a few sharpshooters in the woods surrounding the prison and plink off anyone trying to leave. They have a finite amount of food and ammo compared to the Gov and his army of scroungers. Starve them.


Either side should try to inflict as many non fatal casualties as possible. Make your enemy exhaust his supply of clean bandages, antibiotics and pain meds. Not to mention that a wounded person still needs food and water rations despite not being able to do even the most mundane housekeeping tasks. Dead weight breeds resentment.
2013-03-25 03:05:15 AM  
3 votes:

T.M.S.: I just watched Talking Dead for the first time. Weird they let that guy claim his character was not on a suicide mission when it's pretty clear that was the intent of the episode. A rare moment telegraphed well and he is denying the intent. Very odd.


This is what we have come to expect and love from you.

Here we have the actor saying what he was doing with the character and what the characters thoughts were, right next to the director who was nodding in agreement, and you show up to say they are wrong.

You have made being arrogantly wrong about everything into an art form.
2013-03-24 08:44:52 PM  
3 votes:

One Bad Apple: Poorly. Because the writers/director have no tactical sense themselves. All the gun battles so far have been amateurishly FILMED not just fought. I can understand that the combatants have little or no training so they don't perform well but it just looks like terrible cliche by the numbers Hollywood firefights.


They should get Christopher McQuarrie's brother to choreograph the firefights for them. This movie has some of the best staged shootouts I've ever seen:

www.cyber-cinema.com


One Bad Apple: Or go one further than that and just toss a few molotovs over the wall. There isn't any more fire department. The whole place might go up depending on the wind.


This has been my thought for a long time.

The preview for this weeks showed one of the Woodbury guys blowing the crap out of one of the prison's guard towers with a grenade launcher. Wonder if anybody's going to be in the tower when that happens.
2013-03-25 02:38:44 AM  
2 votes:

Mentat: ongbok: fusillade762: utsagrad123: Merle changed into a Zombie fast.

That's nothing. Hell, it only took Shane about 20 seconds to turn after Rick killed him. People turn in whatever amount of time is necessary for the plot.

Have they been inconsistent on how long it takes for a person that has been killed to turn? I'm not talking about a person who has been bitten and died from the bite and turned, I'm talking about a person who died from a non bite.

I think Jenner stated that the time varies from person to person.


According to the CDC's Dr. Edwin Jenner in the TV series, a corpse can reanimate between three minutes and eight hours after death.[3]It was also once hinted by executive producer, Glen Mazzara, that the time it takes for a corpse to reanimate depends on how full of life the person was before they died.

Like I said: whatever's most convenient for the plot.
2013-03-24 10:58:39 PM  
2 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: So why did Merle feel the need to bring Michonne along for half the run? Or was there a legitimate change of heart?


I wrestled w/that question until he decided to hang out in front of zombie central blasting Motorhead.  I now think Michonne actually got through to him.  He packed his bag & was going to use Michonne to get back into the Governor's good graces.  Then decided Michonne was right--the Governor's an asshole who turned him into a cold-blooded killer.  He could either continue being the Governor's lapdog or do the right thing and try to take him out.
2013-03-24 10:32:31 PM  
2 votes:
Merle and Daryl are the two decently written characters. This was the only possible outcome I can see. The only question was which would be the zombie. Any other way of settling this plot point would have been totally out of character. And the writers are not dumb enough to mess with what is working.  (Not that they are smart enough to know why it is.)

The one exception I can think of is they kill each other Spartacus execution style.  That would have made sense.
2013-03-24 10:01:30 PM  
2 votes:
Call me soft, but seeing Daryl cry like that makes me want to cry.  Did NOT see that coming.
2013-03-24 09:30:27 PM  
2 votes:
year old gas and it starts right up ?


Battery too ?
2013-03-24 03:24:23 PM  
2 votes:
cdn.chud.com
2013-03-25 04:00:06 PM  
1 votes:

Medic Zero: NeoCortex42: Well, I guess we are getting the prison assault next week.

Try next year!


I really hope not.  Having the big battle this season would match up nicely with the big farm battle at the end of last season.  I also like the idea of each season being a full story arc.  We had the farm in season 2 (which was stretched longer than it needed), and we have the prison/Woodbury this year.  I'd be happy if they completely wrap up the Governor's story this year.  They could spend the first half of next year doing some of the on-the-road random encounters before moving on to the next safe haven.

I also hope they don't bother with Negan next season.  It would be way too soon.  There's plenty of material to adapt before getting to that point.  I also think it would be kind of lame to go directly from evil megalomaniac to evil megalomaniac in subsequent seasons.  There's plenty of "smaller" evils in the zombie apocalypse without every villain being a big boss.
2013-03-25 02:14:56 PM  
1 votes:

RogermcAllen: Sunrazor: If Carl can be hit behind a deer, the Governor should have been hit, too.  Over-penetration and such.

A head is a bit more solid than a deer's chest.

With the deer lets say the bullet missed the ribs/shoulder, and slipped it's way through soft tissue to hit Carl.
With the Governor lets say that the kid's head was about should height to the Governor, and anything that exited the kid's head was easily stopped by the Governor's bulletproof vest.


While a bullet passing through a deer's chest may go through lungs, which would be mostly air, it looked to me like that kid got hit in the chest and splattered in the face from blood from the hit. The angle he was hit at the bullet could have been stopped by the scapula. Also, the weapon Merle was using looked like it was a .223, which is notorious for the bullet taking a wild trajectory in the body, not going straight through. I found it believable.
2013-03-25 11:52:39 AM  
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I'm just going to put this in print before next week: I think the Prison crew are going to make a run for it.  When the Governor's crew come with their full on assault and blow up the guard tower, they aren't going to find anyone there.


This!
When you see the preview of Martinez taking out the guard tower with the grenade launcher...
That SHOULD alert you that there is NO WAY IN HELL Rick's group can fight off the Governor's group.

A) There's too damn many of them
B) They have military grade weapons; genade launcher and that big farking 50 cal. they showed last week.
C) They have women and children amongst their ranks. Rick is back to normal, moral, GOOD Rick. Good Rick will bug out rather than fire on women and children.

And that's that!
My guess...he's headed back home to see Morganeand introduce his group to him. Try to work out a living arrangement.

No other choice...can't live "on the road" with a one legged guy and a crying baby. They need something secure. Morgan has the whole town locked down...and, it seems, it's a place the Governor doesn't know about, hasn't been, or doesn't care about.
2013-03-25 11:23:52 AM  
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: It's a Rickpublic?


It's pronounced DemocRicksy.
2013-03-25 10:47:24 AM  
1 votes:
I don't think anyone from the prison will die next week; it will mostly be the governor's people that are wiped out.  If any of the prison group bites it, I think it will be Beth.  She is basically a glorified extra, so losing her wouldn't interupt any storylines or upset any fans.

Milton dies trying to save Andrea.  The governor kills him.  Then, when the governor and his men storm the prison, Rick and the prison gang break into Woodbury and take over.  They find Andrea, free her, and she convinces the remaining townspeople that the governor is bad.  When the governor returns from the prison, he is locked out and the townspeople start firing on him.  Final shot is him becoming zombie food with one of Daryl's arrows in his skull.
2013-03-25 08:26:16 AM  
1 votes:

suziequzie: In the Talking Dead's sneak preview, when the gov's forces/truck drive up to the prison gates, I didn't see any walkers milling around outside. I bet when they opened that door - walkers. Maybe Rick's team herded them into that 'breach' in the prison security to catch the governor off-guard? Trying to find the clip online and failing.


I'm thinking the same thing.

The fact that there were no zombies, and no return fire tells me that something is up.

I anticipate that at some point, the alarm that was set off back by the one prisoner goes off again.  Sounding the dinner bell for every zombie in the area.
2013-03-25 08:12:59 AM  
1 votes:

You Are All Sheep: I think the end of the season will come about with a whimper.  Rick and the gang will pack up and leave and you'll have the gov come in and blow up most of the prison, last shot will be the gov and his men standing in the now empty prison with a sack of rage they can't get rid of, and the hyundai gang will be driving off down the road, off on a new adventure!  Maybe this time they'll take over....A MALL!


As passive-aggressive as you are about it, I think you might be onto something here.

However, now that we're down to the final episode, here are my predictions:

1. The Governor returns to Woodbury and gives the "they're animals, let's get 'em!" speech. Ben's dad leads the charge. Everyone in Woodbury grabs a gun and hits the road.

2. Milton finds Andrea and frees her and they escape the town, following the militia to the prison.

3. Rick's group waffles on staying or leaving until they finally decide to just go. As they're loading everyone into cars, the Governor's group attacks, and they scatter. Several improtant characters die.

4. Very important scene where the Governor shoots Beth and Lil' Asskicker in the back as they're running away.

5. Outrage. All out war. Rick takes Carl and they escape. More cast memebers die.

6. Sasha and her big sweet bear kill the Governor.

7. Rick, Carl, Darryl, Andrea, and Milton survive and move on.

2013-03-25 07:35:37 AM  
1 votes:
I think the end of the season will come about with a whimper.  Rick and the gang will pack up and leave and you'll have the gov come in and blow up most of the prison, last shot will be the gov and his men standing in the now empty prison with a sack of rage they can't get rid of, and the hyundai gang will be driving off down the road, off on a new adventure!  Maybe this time they'll take over....A MALL!
2013-03-25 02:07:32 AM  
1 votes:

ongbok: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I'm just going to put this in print before next week: I think the Prison crew are going to make a run for it.  When the Governor's crew come with their full on assault and blow up the guard tower, they aren't going to find anyone there.

If I were them I would booby trap the whole place with IED's and make a run for it. But I doubt realistically any of them know how to do that


They have to run, or risk spending another season on "the farm". But if they just hotfoot it down the road, they'll be low on food and fuel, and at most get a few hours head start on the well-stocked governor. On the other hand, if they wait for the governor and all the henchmen to leave, Woodbury would be filled with nothing but unarmed pacifists. Attack, stock up on supplies, burn Woodbury to the ground, and then hit the road. By the time the governor returns, he won't have enough food or fuel to follow.
2013-03-25 01:34:40 AM  
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I'm just going to put this in print before next week: I think the Prison crew are going to make a run for it.  When the Governor's crew come with their full on assault and blow up the guard tower, they aren't going to find anyone there.


If I were them I would booby trap the whole place with IED's and make a run for it. But I doubt realistically any of them know how to do that
2013-03-25 01:20:51 AM  
1 votes:
I'm just going to put this in print before next week: I think the Prison crew are going to make a run for it.  When the Governor's crew come with their full on assault and blow up the guard tower, they aren't going to find anyone there.
2013-03-25 12:39:12 AM  
1 votes:

lucasorvis: IronTom: It is not (We are the road crew)

it is


5. Fast And Loose
Two o' clock in the morning baby,
I know it's late, I know it's late,
I'm dark and I like the night,
And I can make you feel alright,
I've been around for quite a while,
And I've learned to make you smile,
I know you won't refuse,
You know I'm Fast And Loose

Two o' clock in the morning sugar,
You know I'm sleeping, you must be sleeping,
Why don't you invite me in?
Get yourself some original sin,
I'll wake you up, but stay in bed,
Don't get up, get down instead,
I don't need no excuse,
To like it Fast And Loose

Two o' clock in the morning honey,
Let me in baby, let me in,
You know me, you know I'm wired,
I'm gonna stop you feeling tired,
I'm coming over and I won't be long,
Just let me finish writing this song,
I'm gonna blow your fuse,
I know you like it Fast And Loose


Good lord....how sure ARE you?  Did you go over the lyrics then Google them?  I need, NEED to know what to blast on my way to work tomorrow!


Shazam confirms that he is indeed correct. Fast and Loose. Motorhead. From the Ace of Spades album that we all should already own anyway.
2013-03-25 12:23:02 AM  
1 votes:

ongbok: SithLord: Why are Woodbury's vehicles more realistic in age and wear in a ZA than Rick's vehicles?

I guess it's the "evil is old and dingy and grimy" while "good is nice and shiny" which the producers want us the viewer to associate common stereotypes to.

The good guys stuff is always nice and shinny. That is how we are supposed to differentiate good guys from bad guys. I'm just glad that they didn't somehow mange to get the whole good guys wear white theme in there also.


i.qkme.me
2013-03-25 12:01:06 AM  
1 votes:

RepoManTSM: TheLopper: wesmon: IronTom: NeoCortex42: Well, I guess we are getting the prison assault next week.

A target-rich environment it looks like.  Plus a mystery guest on Talking Dead.  Andrea?

My bet is on Glenn biting it. Though he did already appear on Talking Dead this season.

I'd vote on Maggie (though I wouldn't like it). Glenn brought up how he cares more for her than himself, so he'll be ready to give his life to save her, but will fail, and it'll create a shiat show.

They obviously set up the Glen will die saving Maggie but I doubt they off him until the final season. He's the most relatable character to the young male demo.


I Know they are changing things up, but his issue 100 death was a huge shock. I can't see them not have him get killed by Lucille.
2013-03-24 11:54:25 PM  
1 votes:
Also, here are my wild guesses as to who (from the prison) bites it next week:

High probability:
Carol
Herschel
Beth

Mid probability:
Glen
Maggie
2013-03-24 11:54:10 PM  
1 votes:

TheLopper: wesmon: IronTom: NeoCortex42: Well, I guess we are getting the prison assault next week.

A target-rich environment it looks like.  Plus a mystery guest on Talking Dead.  Andrea?

My bet is on Glenn biting it. Though he did already appear on Talking Dead this season.

I'd vote on Maggie (though I wouldn't like it). Glenn brought up how he cares more for her than himself, so he'll be ready to give his life to save her, but will fail, and it'll create a shiat show.


They obviously set up the Glen will die saving Maggie but I doubt they off him until the final season. He's the most relatable character to the young male demo.
2013-03-24 11:03:25 PM  
1 votes:

kumanoki: Eff Merle. He went out alone, like he wanted. And all he managed to do was give the Gov a reason to attack.

I have no respect for a character that out and out rejects a chance at redemption.


The Governor was going to attack no matter what.  Martinez had orders to kill everyone once they saw Michonne.  Merle killed several of the Governor's best fighters on the eve of battle.  It was sound tactics, especially since he thought he would be able to get away.
2013-03-24 10:55:52 PM  
1 votes:

RogermcAllen: PsyLord: CigaretteSmokingMan: Merl really didn't think his plan all the way through.

He didn't shoot the right person first.  Always go after the leader and not the grunts when you have the first strike.

He shot at the leader, the kid just stepped into the way unknowingly.


That was not the first shot.  The first shot should always be the leader.
2013-03-24 10:43:12 PM  
1 votes:

Sunrazor: If Carl can be hit behind a deer, the Governor should have been hit, too.  Over-penetration and such.


In the zombie apocalypse, deer are like jello, but humans are like flak jackets... until they're a zombie, then they're jello again.  I guess.
2013-03-24 10:26:51 PM  
1 votes:

IronTom: GBmanNC: Time for vikings on history channel. Anyone been watching? It's been a great miniseries so far.

watched the first one, taped the rest. it's no Walking Dead.


Yeah you're right. Vikings is getting more interesting as it goes on. Walking Dead peaked at episode 1. Firing Frank Darabont  was the worst thing that happened to the show.

/still bitter over what Walking Dead COULD have been.
2013-03-24 10:05:25 PM  
1 votes:

Crackers Are a Family Food: Call me soft, but seeing Daryl cry like that makes me want to cry.  Did NOT see that coming.


I actually sniffled.  Watching him break down was excruciating.
2013-03-24 10:02:49 PM  
1 votes:
Well... I've always suspected that Daryl would "end" Merle. OK.
2013-03-24 10:02:21 PM  
1 votes:

CigaretteSmokingMan: Merl really didn't think his plan all the way through.


He didn't shoot the right person first.  Always go after the leader and not the grunts when you have the first strike.
2013-03-24 10:02:00 PM  
1 votes:

Sunrazor: NeoCortex42: I figured Merle wouldn't last the season. I'm hoping the Governor storyline gets resolved this season, but it's not looking like it. There's probably still an episode worth of material on Andrea being a captive and her rescue, plus the inevitable prison battle. With only one more episode this season, I'm thinking Woodbury might get stretched to two years.

But with his target right behind his last shot, why in HELL did he not double tap?  Or go full auto and unleash a storm.  He would have died but he would have annihilated his enemy and left the town under Martinez and quite frankly, he wants to do the same thing to the prison, but he isn't charismatic enough to lead the whole thing without it falling apart and tearing itself from the inside.


Martinez would probably also weigh the cost of the attack against its gains. The Governor will stop at nothing to destroy Rick's group, even if he's the last Woodbury resident left alive.
2013-03-24 09:59:18 PM  
1 votes:
Zombie Merle? ZOMBIE MERLE!
2013-03-24 09:58:48 PM  
1 votes:
Rick is like the worst leader ever. Is it because he had a badge that he was the leader by default?
2013-03-24 09:54:51 PM  
1 votes:
I honestly can't decide if the DirectTV Genie girl is blazing hot or the cracked-out fourth Olsen girl.
2013-03-24 09:46:38 PM  
1 votes:
"And I know a bad actor when I see one, Governor, because I'm hauling a load of Walkers right behind me!"
2013-03-24 09:46:36 PM  
1 votes:
Did anyone catch that in one second the wheels on the car were totally different?
2013-03-24 09:45:41 PM  
1 votes:
Well, if you're going to get eaten by zombies, drinking whiskey and blasting Motorhead is a decent way to do it.
2013-03-24 09:45:32 PM  
1 votes:

oi_piss_me_off: RepoManTSM


I hate those AT&T kids.


me too, especially that werewolf kid, irritating and goofy looking


No, the worst is that girl that just wants MORE MORE MORE, but her parents don't want you to have more. I see a huge stack of therapy bills in her future!
2013-03-24 09:41:19 PM  
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: Someone posted a picture of the Governor with a Sonic Screwdriver and.... wait, wrong picture.


stanatic.files.wordpress.com
2013-03-24 09:40:48 PM  
1 votes:
Werewolf kid in AT&T commercial is annoying as all hell. Still, that's the recap from the third Twilight book.
2013-03-24 09:40:07 PM  
1 votes:
itsthecrew.com


She meant nothing to me, baby
2013-03-24 09:38:56 PM  
1 votes:

Kentucky Fried Children: lol, zombie ring


I am pretty sure that is a breach of ettiquite, He needs to get her all the rings from 2 months of zombie killings.
2013-03-24 09:37:46 PM  
1 votes:
Lol...thats how i should have gotten my wife's ring
2013-03-24 09:37:17 PM  
1 votes:

Craptastic: So... Merle.

Chaotic Evil, or Chaotic Neutral?

Either way, I want Michonne to chop his head off.


Neutral Evil. Merle wants what Merle wants and that's all that matters.
2013-03-24 09:33:54 PM  
1 votes:

oi_piss_me_off:

old cars were more reliable


My '77 Oldsmopile disagrees
2013-03-24 09:32:46 PM  
1 votes:
Wire kill is kill of the week.
2013-03-24 09:32:00 PM  
1 votes:
One Bad Apple

year old gas and it starts right up ?


Battery too ?


old cars were more reliable
2013-03-24 09:24:10 PM  
1 votes:
Someone posted a pic of Tom Wopat fisting a zombie governor.
2013-03-24 09:15:45 PM  
1 votes:
Merle's giving the Tony Montana speech I see..
2013-03-24 09:14:49 PM  
1 votes:
So we had a truly decent episode. Then a full hour of two guys charter developing around a table. Then last week an episode with the governor playing Randall Flagg yet again. Setting up the handcuffs for when the good survivor camp sacrifices one of their own to the evil survivor camp while his blond turncoat mistress has a moral quandary.

I see the delegation of good people Sheriff Abigail has chosen are off on their journey.
2013-03-24 09:09:54 PM  
1 votes:

Mentat: Well, each episode is an hour, and there are 22 episodes per season, so...


Season one only had six episodes, and season two only had 13 episodes.
2013-03-24 09:08:05 PM  
1 votes:
Why does Rick think that the Governor is going to keep his word?  Someone that stupid shouldn't be in charge of the group.
2013-03-24 08:58:21 PM  
1 votes:

SithLord: I guess it's the "evil is old and dingy and grimy" while "good is nice and shiny" which the producers want us the viewer to associate common stereotypes to.


It's more like Hyundai is one of the show's sponsors.
2013-03-24 08:58:21 PM  
1 votes:

Glitchwerks: Jerseysteve22: I hate myself for reading the spoilers from this episode.  Why do I do that? WHY?????

Can you post a link to the spoilers?  I want to know what's coming before it happens.


You can't wait two minuets?
2013-03-24 08:54:46 PM  
1 votes:
I'm about to poop myself from antici


pation.
2013-03-24 08:51:25 PM  
1 votes:
I've prepared the lube.  Totally can't wait to jerk off to zombie parts.
2013-03-24 04:58:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mentat: thismomentinblackhistory: ecmoRandomNumbers: I can't believe I just started to watch this show yesterday on Netflix. Before I realized it, I'd watched 7.5 hours of it.

What took you so long?

Well, each episode is an hour, and there are 22 episodes per season, so...


These good cable TV shows have a lot less than 22 episodes a season.
 
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