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2013-03-26 05:16:43 PM

ZeroCorpse: Also, not everything is allegory. Sometimes, people who think they're smart just try too hard to see allegory where the writer intended none.

I've had people point out "obvious" symbolism in my writing, and sometimes my answer to that is, "If it's so obvious, why didn't I think of that while I was writing it?"

You strike me as the kind of guy who sees someone get a pie in the face, and then tells everyone else it had a deeper meaning that referenced Kierkegaard, the Bible, and the greater concerns of the lower classes during the fall of Rome... And then the writer turns to you and says, "No. It was just pie."


P.S.- This was not directed at you, R.A.Danny
 
2013-03-26 05:32:51 PM

ZeroCorpse: P.S.- This was not directed at you, R.A.Danny


Understood. They did really make sure that packing the phone was obvious. Maybe a red herring, but a lot of attention was focused there. I always find these discussions to be fun and fascinating, and not only because of the subject matter.

Pie
 
2013-03-26 05:57:01 PM

R.A.Danny: ZeroCorpse: think you're assigning too much meaning to the phone. Yes, Rick had an hallucination that involved the phone, but Merle didn't know that. Maybe we know that, and you're trying to say that at some deep level the writers are trying to inject some deep meaning to the phone for us, the viewers, but sometimes a phone is just a phone. I think in this case, the focus on the phone was to show us where Merle got the wire to bind Michonne.

I was looking for some meaning behind his grabbing of the phone too, it seemed very focused. You may be right though.


I don't like to agree with ZeroCorpse, but yeah, he's right.  Her hands were bound up with the cord, her fingers were stuck through the rotatory dial.
 
2013-03-26 05:59:11 PM

ZeroCorpse:
I think you're assigning too much meaning to the phone. Yes, Rick had an hallucination that involved the phone, but Merle didn't know that. Maybe we know that, and you're trying to say that at some deep level the writers are trying to inject some deep meaning to the phone for us, the viewers, but sometimes a phone is just a phone. I think in this case, the focus on the phone was to show us where Merle got the wire to bind Michonne.


i1103.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-26 06:21:17 PM
What if it was not a fart but a queef?  How would that affect the tip?
 
2013-03-26 07:41:43 PM

PsyLord: What if it was not a fart but a queef?  How would that affect the tip?


Silly me, wrong thread.
 
2013-03-26 08:04:58 PM

Mentalpatient87: T.M.S.: You can either continue to hurl childish insults...
*FOUR WORDS LATER*
...you are an idiot

You made some interesting points, too bad you couldn't do it without acting like a total prick. Because when you talk like that, all your points get drowned out by the sound of some dick knob who's mad on the internet. Nobody cares to hear you blubber hypocrisy and elitism from your sandy pussy, dude. It's just sad and annoying.


You are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. Don't feel bad. You are not alone.

Here is the proper definition of the term "idiot":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

Here is the proper definition of the term "childish":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/childish

As you can see they complement each other rather than exist as mutually exclusive ideas. Most people who don't fall into one or the other category understand this. Unfortunately you have proven being saddled with both makes life difficult. Not just for you. For everyone.
 
2013-03-26 08:07:40 PM
How sad you've become. I hope whatever is going on in your life that makes you act this way gets better. Have a good one, Dramaturg.
 
2013-03-26 08:09:45 PM

T.M.S.: Mentalpatient87: T.M.S.: You can either continue to hurl childish insults...
*FOUR WORDS LATER*
...you are an idiot

You made some interesting points, too bad you couldn't do it without acting like a total prick. Because when you talk like that, all your points get drowned out by the sound of some dick knob who's mad on the internet. Nobody cares to hear you blubber hypocrisy and elitism from your sandy pussy, dude. It's just sad and annoying.

You are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. Don't feel bad. You are not alone.

Here is the proper definition of the term "idiot":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

Here is the proper definition of the term "childish":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/childish

As you can see they complement each other rather than exist as mutually exclusive ideas. Most people who don't fall into one or the other category understand this. Unfortunately you have proven being saddled with both makes life difficult. Not just for you. For everyone.


How sad you've become. I hope whatever is going on in your life that makes you act this way gets better. Have a good one, Dramaturg.

/Bears repeating
 
2013-03-26 08:37:30 PM

ZeroCorpse: Also, not everything is allegory. Sometimes, people who think they're smart just try too hard to see allegory where the writer intended none.


Here is the definition of Allegory:

Allegory is a device in which characters or events in a story, poem, or picture represent or symbolize ideas and concepts.

The telephone represented a method to communicate with dead people (either real or imagined) in episode 5 of this season and thereafter. It was a fairly important plot point. You are suggesting a few episodes later the same writers that crafted that particularly unusual device (which confounded their viewers for weeks) wrote in Merle's business with the phone (and the long shot of it going into the bag) just because the now meaningless prop happened to have a wire sticking out of it?

Anyway, the definition continues:

Allegory has been used widely throughout the history of art, and in all forms of artwork. A reason for this is that allegory has an immense power of illustrating complex ideas and concepts in a digestible, concrete way.

Apparently not.


ZeroCorpse:
I've had people point out "obvious" symbolism in my writing, and sometimes my answer to that is, "If it's so obvious, why didn't I think of that while I was writing it?"

Your statement was self explanatory. I'm sure after making it your critics understood your approach to writing just fine.
 
2013-03-26 08:41:09 PM

T.M.S.: ZeroCorpse: Also, not everything is allegory. Sometimes, people who think they're smart just try too hard to see allegory where the writer intended none.

Here is the definition of Allegory:

Allegory is a device in which characters or events in a story, poem, or picture represent or symbolize ideas and concepts.

The telephone represented a method to communicate with dead people (either real or imagined) in episode 5 of this season and thereafter. It was a fairly important plot point. You are suggesting a few episodes later the same writers that crafted that particularly unusual device (which confounded their viewers for weeks) wrote in Merle's business with the phone (and the long shot of it going into the bag) just because the now meaningless prop happened to have a wire sticking out of it?

Anyway, the definition continues:

Allegory has been used widely throughout the history of art, and in all forms of artwork. A reason for this is that allegory has an immense power of illustrating complex ideas and concepts in a digestible, concrete way.

Apparently not.


ZeroCorpse:
I've had people point out "obvious" symbolism in my writing, and sometimes my answer to that is, "If it's so obvious, why didn't I think of that while I was writing it?"

Your statement was self explanatory. I'm sure after making it your critics understood your approach to writing just fine.


How sad.... :'(
 
2013-03-26 09:34:46 PM

T.M.S.: You are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. Don't feel bad. You are not alone


Who are you, the Riddler? What you wrote wasn't complicated or enlightening. You're not a deep or complex individual. You're some stuck up dork who thinks hurling insults will make him cool. I'm not even assessing the point of your post (woo, Bible allegories! fresh and original!), I'm merely pointing out what a colossal prick you insist on being. Thanks for yet another example. You're a farking joke, dude.
 
2013-03-26 10:08:48 PM
Ugh.

Thoroughly didn't enjoy the threadkill.
 
2013-03-26 11:05:39 PM

T.M.S.: Mentalpatient87: T.M.S.: You can either continue to hurl childish insults...
*FOUR WORDS LATER*
...you are an idiot

You made some interesting points, too bad you couldn't do it without acting like a total prick. Because when you talk like that, all your points get drowned out by the sound of some dick knob who's mad on the internet. Nobody cares to hear you blubber hypocrisy and elitism from your sandy pussy, dude. It's just sad and annoying.

You are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. Don't feel bad. You are not alone.

Here is the proper definition of the term "idiot":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

Here is the proper definition of the term "childish":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/childish

As you can see they complement each other rather than exist as mutually exclusive ideas. Most people who don't fall into one or the other category understand this. Unfortunately you have proven being saddled with both makes life difficult. Not just for you. For everyone.


You seem like the kind of douche that enjoys the smell of his own farts.
 
2013-03-27 02:53:51 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-27 03:16:00 AM

Mentalpatient87: T.M.S.: You can either continue to hurl childish insults...
*FOUR WORDS LATER*
...you are an idiot

You made some interesting points, too bad you couldn't do it without acting like a total prick. Because when you talk like that, all your points get drowned out by the sound of some dick knob who's mad on the internet. Nobody cares to hear you blubber hypocrisy and elitism from your sandy pussy, dude. It's just sad and annoying.


Mentalpatient87: T.M.S.: You are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. Don't feel bad. You are not alone

Who are you, the Riddler? What you wrote wasn't complicated or enlightening. You're not a deep or complex individual. You're some stuck up dork who thinks hurling insults will make him cool. I'm not even assessing the point of your post (woo, Bible allegories! fresh and original!), I'm merely pointing out what a colossal prick you insist on being. Thanks for yet another example. You're a farking joke, dude.


*FORGIVE ME FOR NOT COUNTING THE NUMBER OF WORDS LATER*
 
2013-03-27 04:41:53 AM

Sinbox: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x667]


Gah!
 
2013-03-27 10:23:45 AM

T.M.S.: Before I go I leave you with one last hint.


I'm not familiar with that painting or its subject matter.  Also haven't read the bible.  What biblical story are you drawing parallels to?
 
2013-03-27 10:53:43 AM
TV shows about Zombies ... serious business
 
2013-03-27 12:47:38 PM

OtherLittleGuy: "And I know a bad actor when I see one, Governor, because I'm hauling a load of Walkers right behind me!"


If I don't appreciate this post, no one will.

/plucky comic relief.
 
2013-03-27 12:59:50 PM

T.M.S.: Here is the proper definition of the term "idiot":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

Here is the proper definition of the term "childish":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/childish


You're worse than Comic Book Men.
 
2013-03-27 01:29:23 PM
I don't think I like a single character on this show now besides Darryl. Merle was interesting and necessary at least his character had some sort of depth. All the other characters on this show are disappointing. The Governor could have been such a bad ass character - especially listening to my friends talk about him in the comics but he is a giant let down. He's like Wesker in the damn RE games he never dies. Glenn has got to be the most annoying character I've ever seen on television and I couldn't give two shiats about his love affair w/ Maggie. Really dude? In the middle of the zombie apocalypse you're worried about getting MARRIED? FOH. Michonne is also another character that could be bad ass but they under utilize her as well. Go back and rewatch the first few episodes of the show and compare them to the latest. WEAK.
 
2013-03-27 04:25:44 PM

born_yesterday: T.M.S.: Before I go I leave you with one last hint. I'm not familiar with that painting or its subject matter.  Also haven't read the bible.  What biblical story are you drawing parallels to?


The painting is The Denial of Saint Peter by Caravaggio. I picked it at random. Just like the creatives on the show.

Daryl pushes away Zombie Merle three times then busts into tears.

The Walking Dead has numerous Biblical pretensions (which is a good and expected thing) but plays way too fast and loose with the imagery.  The writers don't seem to have any real throughline and just leap around the old and new testament desperately  cramming in anything that seems to fit. Most of the time it dosent and comes across as self indulgent. Well, I don't think a show about zombies CAN be considered self indulgent. Lest just say scattered and confused. Which is a shame.
 
2013-03-27 09:35:38 PM

T.M.S.: born_yesterday: T.M.S.: Before I go I leave you with one last hint. I'm not familiar with that painting or its subject matter.  Also haven't read the bible.  What biblical story are you drawing parallels to?

The painting is The Denial of Saint Peter by Caravaggio. I picked it at random. Just like the creatives on the show.

Daryl pushes away Zombie Merle three times then busts into tears.

The Walking Dead has numerous Biblical pretensions (which is a good and expected thing) but plays way too fast and loose with the imagery.  The writers don't seem to have any real throughline and just leap around the old and new testament desperately  cramming in anything that seems to fit. Most of the time it dosent and comes across as self indulgent. Well, I don't think a show about zombies CAN be considered self indulgent. Lest just say scattered and confused. Which is a shame.


There is certainly one thing around these parts that is self-indulgent.

Grab that mirror that it always within arm's reach and look for some symbolism.
 
2013-03-28 05:28:08 AM

T.M.S.: born_yesterday: T.M.S.: Before I go I leave you with one last hint. I'm not familiar with that painting or its subject matter.  Also haven't read the bible.  What biblical story are you drawing parallels to?

The painting is The Denial of Saint Peter by Caravaggio. I picked it at random. Just like the creatives on the show.

Daryl pushes away Zombie Merle three times then busts into tears.

The Walking Dead has numerous Biblical pretensions (which is a good and expected thing) but plays way too fast and loose with the imagery.  The writers don't seem to have any real throughline and just leap around the old and new testament desperately  cramming in anything that seems to fit. Most of the time it dosent and comes across as self indulgent. Well, I don't think a show about zombies CAN be considered self indulgent. Lest just say scattered and confused. Which is a shame.


I honestly enjoy most of your other posts. But you have always been a turd in the punchbowl for these threads. I have to wonder why you watch and want to ascribe bizarre meaning when you aren't just trashing everything anyway. Your theory  only has the number 3 in common. Which is the magic number in fighting, drama and comedy. You just seem pretentious with your Bible allegory, As if religion has only realized that three is the magic number...  Yeah deny Jesus three times, but doing anything 3 times in a row in a drama (once fleetingly, once knowing you must, and one last time getting rid of your old ways......it's a Hollywood staple)... I dunno. I'm a bit drunk right now. See you for the finale. Honestly, if all you can do is complain about the show, just stop watching man!
 
2013-03-28 07:48:08 AM
Sorry, one last thing.

You can see my "wall of text" had the desired effect.   log_jammin has take my advice and is pretending he/ she never returned to the thread. It knows if it did it would get real ugly real fast. I learned a long time ago stupid people will take the out if you offer it. Its that or they can try to keep up in a conversation they think (correctly) they don't understand but KNOW will make them look even stupider.  And in public.

Good dog log_jammer.
 
2013-03-28 09:14:31 AM

T.M.S.: Sorry, one last thing.

You can see my "wall of text" had the desired effect.   log_jammin has take my advice and is pretending he/ she never returned to the thread. It knows if it did it would get real ugly real fast. I learned a long time ago stupid people will take the out if you offer it. Its that or they can try to keep up in a conversation they think (correctly) they don't understand but KNOW will make them look even stupider.  And in public.

Good dog log_jammer.


So, so sad.... Dramaturg, so sad.
 
2013-03-28 09:44:47 AM
By the way, if you add the times Daryl pushed Merle (including when he pushed him down) it was four times. But do not let that little piece of info destroy your college-level allegory. Seriously, Bible allegories in a show about zombies? What's next, somebody will point out that "The Walking Dead" title does not refer to the zombies, but to the living? Maybe Rick could yell that at the end of this season. End sarcasm.
 
2013-03-28 10:10:16 AM

MagSeven: T.M.S.: born_yesterday: T.M.S.: Before I go I leave you with one last hint. I'm not familiar with that painting or its subject matter.  Also haven't read the bible.  What biblical story are you drawing parallels to?

The painting is The Denial of Saint Peter by Caravaggio. I picked it at random. Just like the creatives on the show.

Daryl pushes away Zombie Merle three times then busts into tears.

The Walking Dead has numerous Biblical pretensions (which is a good and expected thing) but plays way too fast and loose with the imagery.  The writers don't seem to have any real throughline and just leap around the old and new testament desperately  cramming in anything that seems to fit. Most of the time it dosent and comes across as self indulgent. Well, I don't think a show about zombies CAN be considered self indulgent. Lest just say scattered and confused. Which is a shame.

I honestly enjoy most of your other posts. But you have always been a turd in the punchbowl for these threads. I have to wonder why you watch and want to ascribe bizarre meaning when you aren't just trashing everything anyway. Your theory  only has the number 3 in common. Which is the magic number in fighting, drama and comedy. You just seem pretentious with your Bible allegory, As if religion has only realized that three is the magic number...  Yeah deny Jesus three times, but doing anything 3 times in a row in a drama (once fleetingly, once knowing you must, and one last time getting rid of your old ways......it's a Hollywood staple)... I dunno. I'm a bit drunk right now. See you for the finale. Honestly, if all you can do is complain about the show, just stop watching man!


Don't forget...saying Beetlejuice's name 3 times.
 
2013-03-28 10:43:01 AM

T.M.S.: Sorry, one last thing.

You can see my "wall of text" had the desired effect.   log_jammin has take my advice and is pretending he/ she never returned to the thread. It knows if it did it would get real ugly real fast. I learned a long time ago stupid people will take the out if you offer it. Its that or they can try to keep up in a conversation they think (correctly) they don't understand but KNOW will make them look even stupider.  And in public.

Good dog log_jammer.


Calm down.

Have a cookie.
 
2013-03-28 11:55:08 AM

CigaretteSmokingMan: T.M.S.: Sorry, one last thing.

You can see my "wall of text" had the desired effect.   log_jammin has take my advice and is pretending he/ she never returned to the thread. It knows if it did it would get real ugly real fast. I learned a long time ago stupid people will take the out if you offer it. Its that or they can try to keep up in a conversation they think (correctly) they don't understand but KNOW will make them look even stupider.  And in public.

Good dog log_jammer.

Calm down.

Have a cookie.


Give it a chance, Ralph
 
2013-03-28 05:08:59 PM
Lol
 
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