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2013-03-25 01:36:14 PM

Mad_Radhu: Nah, he'll just show up with some new friends from Kansas, plus a nuke he's been keeping in a storage building.


www.apocalypticmovies.com

/Forgot to attach the image.
 
2013-03-25 01:40:26 PM

NeoCortex42: kumanoki: My over/under for killing the Gov is 50% Darryl, 30% Tyrese, 10% Andrea, 10% Sasha.

It will almost certainly be part of the main cast that takes out the Governor.  Andrea would probably match closest with the comic, if they wanted to go that way.  Darryl would also make a lot of sense considering this past episode.  I would also accept Rick, as a leader vs leader confrontation.  No way is it Tyreese or Sasha.  They're barely more than extras at this point.


I won't speculate on the ID of the Governor's killer, but I will guess that it would happen till at least halfway through Season 4, and if we're unlucky at the end of Season 4.

Which, frankly, will be a stupid choice. This storyline has more than run its course. I have a feeling that his desire to kill the Governor at the end of this season might be what led to Glen Mazzara being let go.
 
2013-03-25 01:47:27 PM
Maybe Morgan has a quick flashback that sets up the whole episode.

Or maybe the very end of the episode is Carl and Rick, bleeding and shell-shocked, stumbling back into their hometown and the last shot is of Morgan saying, "See? I done told you. Teeth or bullets."
 
2013-03-25 02:14:56 PM

RogermcAllen: Sunrazor: If Carl can be hit behind a deer, the Governor should have been hit, too.  Over-penetration and such.

A head is a bit more solid than a deer's chest.

With the deer lets say the bullet missed the ribs/shoulder, and slipped it's way through soft tissue to hit Carl.
With the Governor lets say that the kid's head was about should height to the Governor, and anything that exited the kid's head was easily stopped by the Governor's bulletproof vest.


While a bullet passing through a deer's chest may go through lungs, which would be mostly air, it looked to me like that kid got hit in the chest and splattered in the face from blood from the hit. The angle he was hit at the bullet could have been stopped by the scapula. Also, the weapon Merle was using looked like it was a .223, which is notorious for the bullet taking a wild trajectory in the body, not going straight through. I found it believable.
 
2013-03-25 02:17:35 PM

NeoCortex42: Well, I guess we are getting the prison assault next week.


Try next year!
 
2013-03-25 02:18:08 PM

Medic Zero: While a bullet passing through a deer's chest may go through lungs, which would be mostly air, it looked to me like that kid got hit in the chest and splattered in the face from blood from the hit. The angle he was hit at the bullet could have been stopped by the scapula. Also, the weapon Merle was using looked like it was a .223, which is notorious for the bullet taking a wild trajectory in the body, not going straight through. I found it believable.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-03-25 02:22:41 PM

Glitchwerks: lucasorvis: Does anyone know which Motorhead song he was playing!??????  MUST. KNOW.

Merle never would have found Motorhead in a donk in Georgia.  

He would have only found Soulja Boy.


I figured he picked up the Motorhead when he picked up the booze - in a building somewhere, not the car.
 
2013-03-25 02:24:30 PM

Medic Zero: RogermcAllen: Sunrazor: If Carl can be hit behind a deer, the Governor should have been hit, too.  Over-penetration and such.

A head is a bit more solid than a deer's chest.

With the deer lets say the bullet missed the ribs/shoulder, and slipped it's way through soft tissue to hit Carl.
With the Governor lets say that the kid's head was about should height to the Governor, and anything that exited the kid's head was easily stopped by the Governor's bulletproof vest.

While a bullet passing through a deer's chest may go through lungs, which would be mostly air, it looked to me like that kid got hit in the chest and splattered in the face from blood from the hit. The angle he was hit at the bullet could have been stopped by the scapula. Also, the weapon Merle was using looked like it was a .223, which is notorious for the bullet taking a wild trajectory in the body, not going straight through. I found it believable.


The question we should be asking is why didn't he just pull the trigger again?  "Ooops, kid got in the way, I'm done here."  Still a great episode.  Love this show.
 
2013-03-25 02:28:03 PM
since they've drifted so far from the source material and no character seems safe
they should kill off rick
he's a pussy who makes bad decision after bad decision
I haven't liked him since the bone head got that horse killed
 
2013-03-25 02:31:41 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: PsyLord: The first shot should always be the leader.

I may be mistaken but I think Merle took out a couple of henchman before the Governor even became available as a target.

+1
 
2013-03-25 02:53:38 PM

Saiga410: I actually think the person that will bring the demise of the governor is going to be Judith.  He will drop the gun just as he tried to take her lolly and she will somehow pull the trigger.


Simpsons did it!

Nice reference BTW.
 
2013-03-25 02:53:52 PM

Mad_Radhu: Mad_Radhu: Nah, he'll just show up with some new friends from Kansas, plus a nuke he's been keeping in a storage building.

[www.apocalypticmovies.com image 400x267]

/Forgot to attach the image.


I didn't need it.
 
2013-03-25 03:00:21 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I'm just going to put this in print before next week: I think the Prison crew are going to make a run for it.  When the Governor's crew come with their full on assault and blow up the guard tower, they aren't going to find anyone there.


That's my guess as well. The preview shows the townfolk making their way all the way into the prison without a shot being fired from inside. To give up the opportunity to pick off some of them as they make their way in through that big open area is a big mistake IMO. That'd be IF they stayed. I'm thinking the smart move would be just to leave. The country is full of prisons, with Michonne with you they could clear one fairly safely. Staying is a losing proposition, even if they fend off the town people they are going to lose some of their own, AND still have the remainder of the townsfolk to contend with. Better to move on to some area where they can be in peace (except for the zombies of course).
 
2013-03-25 03:07:18 PM

Notabunny: ongbok: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I'm just going to put this in print before next week: I think the Prison crew are going to make a run for it.  When the Governor's crew come with their full on assault and blow up the guard tower, they aren't going to find anyone there.

If I were them I would booby trap the whole place with IED's and make a run for it. But I doubt realistically any of them know how to do that

They have to run, or risk spending another season on "the farm". But if they just hotfoot it down the road, they'll be low on food and fuel, and at most get a few hours head start on the well-stocked governor. On the other hand, if they wait for the governor and all the henchmen to leave, Woodbury would be filled with nothing but unarmed pacifists. Attack, stock up on supplies, burn Woodbury to the ground, and then hit the road. By the time the governor returns, he won't have enough food or fuel to follow.


I like the way you think, but I can't imagine the prison group has the fortitude to attack the unarmed pacifists left behind. Your plan would be the way to go though.
 
2013-03-25 03:10:51 PM

Strategeryz0r: Broktun: Morgan is in the last episode.

Morgan comes to his senses, decides to go to the prison, gets there right in time to see the battle unfold.

In an epicly heroic move, he shall rip his shirt off, drape himself in the American flag, and charge into battle with his signature battlecry

"CCCLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR LEEEEEROOOYY JENKINS!!!!"

He will die, but will save several in the process.


FTFM
 
2013-03-25 03:13:29 PM

Mad_Radhu: Mad_Radhu: Nah, he'll just show up with some new friends from Kansas, plus a nuke he's been keeping in a storage building.



/Forgot to attach the image.


I would have also accepted a "Human Target" Batista reference. Both shows killed before their times.
 
2013-03-25 03:15:46 PM

Omahawg: of course it would start. it's a damned chevy caprice

/owned an '80.....fine fine piece of machinery


Yeah, I had a '79. That was one dope ride, burgundy and silver and power everything! Power sunroof, power windows, even the split bench was power! I've yet to sit in a drivers seat that was as good as that one, it was adjustable in every direction. I was moving out of state and ended up selling it for $700 (in '93), which was several hundred dollars more than I got it for. Probably worth a fortune now.
 
2013-03-25 03:16:25 PM

Medic Zero: Glitchwerks: lucasorvis: Does anyone know which Motorhead song he was playing!??????  MUST. KNOW.

Merle never would have found Motorhead in a donk in Georgia.  

He would have only found Soulja Boy.

I figured he picked up the Motorhead when he picked up the booze - in a building somewhere, not the car.


He had a bag packed. I figure he had a CD with him.
 
2013-03-25 04:00:06 PM

Medic Zero: NeoCortex42: Well, I guess we are getting the prison assault next week.

Try next year!


I really hope not.  Having the big battle this season would match up nicely with the big farm battle at the end of last season.  I also like the idea of each season being a full story arc.  We had the farm in season 2 (which was stretched longer than it needed), and we have the prison/Woodbury this year.  I'd be happy if they completely wrap up the Governor's story this year.  They could spend the first half of next year doing some of the on-the-road random encounters before moving on to the next safe haven.

I also hope they don't bother with Negan next season.  It would be way too soon.  There's plenty of material to adapt before getting to that point.  I also think it would be kind of lame to go directly from evil megalomaniac to evil megalomaniac in subsequent seasons.  There's plenty of "smaller" evils in the zombie apocalypse without every villain being a big boss.
 
2013-03-25 04:00:20 PM
I am going with Governor kills the baby (he was a baby killer in the comic) and this causes Tyreese and a few others to abandon the Gov and join Rick, a retreat to extend the fight to season 4, Carl gets the kill then
 
2013-03-25 04:04:50 PM

NeoCortex42: Medic Zero: NeoCortex42: Well, I guess we are getting the prison assault next week.

Try next year!

I really hope not.  Having the big battle this season would match up nicely with the big farm battle at the end of last season.  I also like the idea of each season being a full story arc.  We had the farm in season 2 (which was stretched longer than it needed), and we have the prison/Woodbury this year.  I'd be happy if they completely wrap up the Governor's story this year.  They could spend the first half of next year doing some of the on-the-road random encounters before moving on to the next safe haven.

I also hope they don't bother with Negan next season.  It would be way too soon.  There's plenty of material to adapt before getting to that point.  I also think it would be kind of lame to go directly from evil megalomaniac to evil megalomaniac in subsequent seasons.  There's plenty of "smaller" evils in the zombie apocalypse without every villain being a big boss.


Agreed on all points. I was being pessimistic.
 
2013-03-25 04:07:40 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: I am going with Governor kills the baby (he was a baby killer in the comic) and this causes Tyreese and a few others to abandon the Gov and join Rick, a retreat to extend the fight to season 4, Carl gets the kill then


0/10 You had me and then you lost me
 
2013-03-25 04:12:30 PM

kumanoki: El_Frijole_Blanco: I am going with Governor kills the baby (he was a baby killer in the comic) and this causes Tyreese and a few others to abandon the Gov and join Rick, a retreat to extend the fight to season 4, Carl gets the kill then

0/10 You had me and then you lost me


Carl is the most stone cold killer they have now ... even Michone blinks at killing people
 
2013-03-25 04:25:45 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: I am going with Governor kills the baby (he was a baby killer in the comic) and this causes Tyreese and a few others to abandon the Gov and join Rick, a retreat to extend the fight to season 4, Carl gets the kill then


I'm thinking two main group deaths in the finale.  The baby should be a given.  Going on the road if the prison is destroyed, while caring for a baby, would not be good for the plot.  The other death I'm guessing will be either Beth or Carol, while holding the baby.  I don't think both will get it, but one of them probably will.  Beth would be the easiest since she's barely onscreen.  Carol would be the biggest hit to Daryl, who's already gone through killing zombie-Merle.

I suppose technically, Herschel should be fair game, but the group needs a voice of reason.  It sure as hell isn't Rick.  I also suspect Andrea is in for the long haul.  Hopefully they can fix her character in the off-season the same way they did for Carl before this season.
 
2013-03-25 04:43:31 PM

eagles95: Oh ffs...a democracy..way to be a pussy Rick


It's not like the dictatorship was working out all that well for anybody.

Not that it matters. We all know that in, four years or so, they'll be living under the iron rule of Carl.
 
2013-03-25 04:47:31 PM

NeoCortex42: I suppose technically, Herschel should be fair game, but the group needs a voice of reason.  It sure as hell isn't Rick.  I also suspect Andrea is in for the long haul.  Hopefully they can fix her character in the off-season the same way they did for Carl before this season.


Tyrese and Sasha (provided she doesn't die) will become the voice of reason. Herschel is going to buy the farm (figuratively, this time). Andrea needs a scar. She needs a character tune-up. She could be redeemable if they badassed her up some. She had so much potential at the end of Season 2.

Maybe I had high hopes for the finale, but the loss of Merle undercut some of the potential I saw for it. But Merle=Shane, and we needed to wrap up that inconvenience before moving on to bigger and better stuff.

The twists and turns of this season have been fun but I need the payoff. The baby has to die. Andrea has to harden. Rick has to step back up. I need these characters to process what's happening to them and grow from it. We haven't seen a lot of that at all. Hell, they could make the attack on the prison the first five minutes and kill off everyone except Carl and Rick, in my opinion, but as long as they had the next forty minutes to grow from it, I'd be cool with that.
 
2013-03-25 05:00:13 PM
The last 2 or 3 episodes were really kinda dumb. Is everyone so stupid as to give away Michonne and think the Governor would honor the deal and not kill them anyway?

The reason they dont go through with it is because none of them have the stomach for it? Not even Merle. How can he be so stupid as to not know the Gov would double-cross them and kill them all?

So lame.
 
2013-03-25 05:11:49 PM

Clash City Farker: The last 2 or 3 episodes were really kinda dumb. Is everyone so stupid as to give away Michonne and think the Governor would honor the deal and not kill them anyway?

The reason they dont go through with it is because none of them have the stomach for it? Not even Merle. How can he be so stupid as to not know the Gov would double-cross them and kill them all?

So lame.


I agree to an extent. I can see Rick vascillating on whether or not to turn over Michonne if there's a chance- however small-for peace, but event to Rick it should be crystal clear that the Gov is not going to stop until everyone in the prison is dead. He's heard this from half his people. Darryl was going to do it because he's going to follow Rick because Rick's the leader. Herschel thought it was a terrible idea and told Rick so repeatedly.

What is frustrating is Rick hemming and hawing here down to the wire when the entire group should have been digging tranches and filling them with oil.
 
2013-03-25 05:33:19 PM
Watching the hot wiring with Michonne scene again. Aren't the keys in it? That cross key chain thing is almost hitting Merle in the face the whole time.
 
2013-03-25 05:55:42 PM
considering some of the implements shown when he was preparing his little torture room
Andrea is probably sporting a size 11 butt plug during last nights events
 
2013-03-25 06:43:46 PM

Saiga410: I agree with most but Milton will not have the force of arms to overcome the guard for the shack so he enlists


I don't think there will be a guard on Andrea. The Gov even lied to Martinez about finding Andrea. Nobody knows she's there.
 
2013-03-25 06:58:53 PM

Mentalpatient87: Watching the hot wiring with Michonne scene again. Aren't the keys in it? That cross key chain thing is almost hitting Merle in the face the whole time.


I had to go to DVR. The cross was dangling down but the ignition was empty. It looked too long to be a key chain and was wrapped around the turn signal/wiper switch. I can only guess it was a necklace or rosary and not a keychain.

My nitpick it that he tied Michonne up with the phone cord from Rick's crazy phone. Wouldn't a phone cord be much easier to chew through than a rope, which Merle was afraid of her doing? Granted, I have no personal experience attempting to chew through either...
 
2013-03-25 07:16:57 PM
I don't see them killing the baby. Not after what Carl went through with killing Lori.
 
2013-03-25 09:08:31 PM

Strategeryz0r: Broktun: Morgan is in the last episode.

Morgan comes to his senses, decides to go to the prison, gets there right in time to see the battle unfold.

In an epicly heroic move, he shall rip his shirt off, drape himself in the American flag, and charge into battle with his signature battlecry

"CCCLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!"

He will die, but will save several in the process.


Hahahaha that'd be rofltastic
 
2013-03-25 09:57:02 PM

Kentucky Fried Children: Strategeryz0r: Broktun: Morgan is in the last episode.

Morgan comes to his senses, decides to go to the prison, gets there right in time to see the battle unfold.

In an epicly heroic move, he shall rip his shirt off, drape himself in the American flag, and charge into battle with his signature battlecry

"CCCLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!"

He will die, but will save several in the process.

Hahahaha that'd be rofltastic


Morgan shows up with the nuke from Jericho
 
2013-03-25 10:03:36 PM
log_jammin:
This is what we have come to expect and love from you.


It is not my obligation to fulfill your expectations. But it appears I was successful. I will take this as thanks enough and move on to other things without you.

It was probably nice but it's clear are not very good with things you don't understand. Bye.
 
2013-03-25 10:38:05 PM

kumanoki: Clash City Farker: The last 2 or 3 episodes were really kinda dumb. Is everyone so stupid as to give away Michonne and think the Governor would honor the deal and not kill them anyway?

The reason they dont go through with it is because none of them have the stomach for it? Not even Merle. How can he be so stupid as to not know the Gov would double-cross them and kill them all?

So lame.

I agree to an extent. I can see Rick vascillating on whether or not to turn over Michonne if there's a chance- however small-for peace, but event to Rick it should be crystal clear that the Gov is not going to stop until everyone in the prison is dead. He's heard this from half his people. Darryl was going to do it because he's going to follow Rick because Rick's the leader. Herschel thought it was a terrible idea and told Rick so repeatedly.

What is frustrating is Rick hemming and hawing here down to the wire when the entire group should have been digging tranches and filling them with oil.


Two things annoyed me about the episode:  what you outlined in your post, and the fact that Michonne would go anywhere alone with Merle (esp. considering her total distrust of everyone).
 
2013-03-26 12:33:13 AM

T.M.S.: It is not my obligation to fulfill your expectations. But it appears I was successful. I will take this as thanks enough and move on to other things without you.

It was probably nice but it's clear are not very good with things you don't understand. Bye.


Don't go away mad buddy, just ...go away.
 
2013-03-26 10:48:28 AM

Popcorn Johnny: So in the middle of hostilities between the prison and town, most of the towns armed men come running when they hear a car stereo blasting, without thinking it might be a trap?


Pretty sure that area is the meeting place, not really earshot from Woodbury.  They were waiting for Rick to show up with Michonne per the deal.  He had that many guys with guns BECAUSE it could have been a trap.
 
2013-03-26 11:57:02 AM

Alfonso the Great: This episode seems very Merle-centric. I feel he's not much longer for this cruel world.


Are you a wizard?

Merle gets offed while eating his Manwich by Daryl.  But, something isn't right...the gov shot Merle and they cut away to commercial. Next time you see him, he's having a bit of lunch.

Last episode, I'm guessing they abandon the prison and move on. Won't be any big battle....they will simply leave. (didn't read any of the comics)
 
2013-03-26 12:18:50 PM
The only way I can see this ending is that the prison is destroyed, the Governor dies, and somehow Woodbury gets overrun by zombies.  If the Governor doesn't die, then he will chase Rick and his group throughout the entire series.  If he does die and the prison and Woodbury stays intact, then Rick and his group will probably move into Woodbury, which I doubt.  So to make the series progress to a different area, the Governor will die, and both the prison and Woodbury will have to cease to exist as a safe haven.
 
2013-03-26 02:19:29 PM
log_jammin:

Don't go away mad buddy, just ...go away.


You have me at a disadvantage. You seem to know so much about me and all I know about you is this:


1. You follow me like a yapping dog from thread to thread.

2. A few years ago you did something I have only seen once in nearly a decade on Fark. You mined my profile for ammunition to hurl personal insults in a thread. Insults based on personal information being completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

So, due to his extra attention you have generously placed on me I will give one last try.

If you truly are a fan who only desires a meaningful conversation about The Walking Dead please watch the pertinent moments of the episode again. Ignore what you HEARD some talking head on a spin show say and really LOOK at the relationship between Daryl and his brother Merle. They are without exception the most fully fleshed out characters in the show so this should be easy for you. This time apply what you KNOW about the characters and their situation to what you SEE in the episode.

Think for a second what makes these two characters so different from the rest of the ensemble. What sorts of life-altering horrors have only these two people experienced?

Think about Merle and what his motivations have always been. Now think about his actions once he joined the prison group.

Think for a second what it meant when the film makers held the close up of Merle packing the telephone in his bug out bag. Think about what your ninth grade English teacher tried to instruct you on (big word alert) "foreshadowing". Take a moment out if your busy schedule annoying middle aged F-level show business types and think what that phone represents in the show.Here is some foreshadowing just for you: THE PHONE IS USED TO TALK TO DEAD PEOPLE.(Sorry, spoiler alert!)

What is it that Daryl asks his best friend pizza-boy to do for his brother? Hint: TO FORGIVE HIS BROTHERS SINS.

What CHOICE does Merle offer his brother when he calls himself "the devil". (Here is another hint. When two BROTHERS start talking about good vs. evil it's probably a better idea to pay attention rather than reach for the iPad and reveal more ignorance on the Internet)

What does Merle say to Ninja Chick as he leads her on an absurdly thin TELEPHONE wire to her SACRIFICE for the greater good of her people so they may bare fruit and multiply? Hint:its hidden deep in this nearly dialog you found incomprehensible: "If I do this everybody will be safe. If I pull this off maybe everything will be FORGIVEN."

Ask yourself what that book the old, white haired, one leggedfarmer was reading aloud.And what that passage means for a father who is a great man but helpless when it comes to his greatest responsibility: protecting his CHILDREN. (Does that sound familiar at all?)

What did Merle mean when driven nearly to tears by his own mind he says "I can't go back. Ever. Don't you understand?"

Words spoken AS art mean something. Words spoken ABOUT art don't mean shiat. Especially from the artist.

Just think for a second and stop trying to be smarter than me. It's never going to happen and you just look foolish for trying.


Think about the choice Merle had to make after witnessing his brother in the first place he could truly call a home. Where he saw his puny brother as the great protector of children that he and his father had always failed to be. How after a lifetime of guilt for abandoning his younger brother to un-imaginable horrors he could now see one, single act that could assure his brothers place in peace and relative safety for the rest of his life. By this one selfless act he could erase everything.

Think about the things Merle said. Think about what was going through his mind while he was driving Ninja Chick to her human SACRIFICE.Think about his change of tone after she failed to take several of his obvious attempts to get her to run.

Think about what redemption means to someone who has lived his entire life as an outlaw. A man who in the very episode in question lamented his killing of 16 men. "Since this started".

Words mean something. Those three words meant so much while you were obsessed with the density of zombie skulls.

Speaking of skulls, reach back into yours and find the little part of your brain that remembers what your ninth grade English teacher tried to hammer into you while you were busy mocking the smart kids. (They are the ones you see at work who always seem to take so long deciding if they want the large fries or not)

Ask why the first question to Merle in the episode was "do you ever ask yourself why you do the things you do?. Why does Merle describe the horrors that await Ninja Girl when she is SACRIFICED for the greater good of the group? And to the one guy he hates more than anyone on earth.

Ask yourself what does the word Sacrifice really mean in our culture? What did it mean for Merle to DIE for his BROTHERS LOVE. ( fark, spoiler alert again. Sorry! )

Think for a second what happened after Merle was killed. What went down after he was RAISED from the DEAD and confronted by his BROTHER.

So, if you are still reading this my one and only question for you is: what did Merle's brother do at that point? Was all you saw a guy just pushing a zombie away? Is that EVERYTHING you SAW through Cheeto stained eyeglass frames?

(Hint, count the number of TIMES Daryl pushes Zombie Merle away)

Is ANY of this starting to sound familiar at all?

Ask yourself why the most selfish and self-centered character of them all would steal a car, get drunk, wryly salute his adversary and drive straight into a shiatload of both zombies and heavily armed men. All the while while listening to an album called THE ACE OF SPADES.

THE ACE OF SPADES. (that's not a typo, it's a hint as gigantic as the pencil lodged in your neck)

Only to be worse than killed by the only adult male authority figure he has ever respected. A father figure that also abandoned him and his brother and forced them back into lives of sin. Alone.


While I know the show is an absolutely appalling waste of resources I have never forgotten that the people putting it together are mostly very talented. And that's why the failure that is Walking Dead is so disappointing.

Think about all that before making a sophomoric comment. Because like Merle you have a choice to make. You can either continue to hurl childish insults (most people already realize you are an idiot so no real fear of reprisal. And the core group will always think you are awesome because they are idiots as well.)

Or you can have a real discussion about the show you claim to love and understand so well.

The last is probably your best option and I strongly suggest you take it. Just pretend you never came back to this thread.And I promise to pretend you never saw this post. That way we can mutually agree to ignore each other.

I enjoy Fark because ignorant people don't last long here. But some idiots are more determined than others.

Before I go I leave you with one last hint.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-26 03:56:38 PM

T.M.S.: You can either continue to hurl childish insults...

*FOUR WORDS LATER*
...you are an idiot

You made some interesting points, too bad you couldn't do it without acting like a total prick. Because when you talk like that, all your points get drowned out by the sound of some dick knob who's mad on the internet. Nobody cares to hear you blubber hypocrisy and elitism from your sandy pussy, dude. It's just sad and annoying.
 
2013-03-26 04:00:47 PM
So, who is in the painting then?

Is it Jesus? It's prbably Jesus.
 
2013-03-26 04:13:20 PM
How sad... A person who was (apparently) respected in their field has been reduced to trolling TWD threads. Sigh.
 
2013-03-26 04:41:36 PM

Mentalpatient87: T.M.S.: You can either continue to hurl childish insults...
*FOUR WORDS LATER*
...you are an idiot

You made some interesting points, too bad you couldn't do it without acting like a total prick. Because when you talk like that, all your points get drowned out by the sound of some dick knob who's mad on the internet. Nobody cares to hear you blubber hypocrisy and elitism from your sandy pussy, dude. It's just sad and annoying.


Yeah, what this guy said.

/also, walls of text generally show you're trying too hard
 
2013-03-26 04:44:44 PM

Big Beef Burrito: So, who is in the painting then?

Is it Jesus? It's prbably Jesus.


For the last time, it's not Jesus!
 
2013-03-26 05:02:50 PM

T.M.S.: log_jammin:

Don't go away mad buddy, just ...go away.


You have me at a disadvantage. You seem to know so much about me and all I know about you is this:


1. You follow me like a yapping dog from thread to thread.

2. A few years ago you did something I have only seen once in nearly a decade on Fark. You mined my profile for ammunition to hurl personal insults in a thread. Insults based on personal information being completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

So, due to his extra attention you have generously placed on me I will give one last try.

If you truly are a fan who only desires a meaningful conversation about The Walking Dead please watch the pertinent moments of the episode again. Ignore what you HEARD some talking head on a spin show say and really LOOK at the relationship between Daryl and his brother Merle. They are without exception the most fully fleshed out characters in the show so this should be easy for you. This time apply what you KNOW about the characters and their situation to what you SEE in the episode.

Think for a second what makes these two characters so different from the rest of the ensemble. What sorts of life-altering horrors have only these two people experienced?

Think about Merle and what his motivations have always been. Now think about his actions once he joined the prison group.

Think for a second what it meant when the film makers held the close up of Merle packing the telephone in his bug out bag. Think about what your ninth grade English teacher tried to instruct you on (big word alert) "foreshadowing". Take a moment out if your busy schedule annoying middle aged F-level show business types and think what that phone represents in the show.Here is some foreshadowing just for you: THE PHONE IS USED TO TALK TO DEAD PEOPLE.(Sorry, spoiler alert!)



He took the phone because he used the telephone wire to bind Michonne, and he used parts of the phone as part of the binding.

He was cannibalizing the phone's parts after he told Rick they'd need wire to bind her so she couldn't escape. Rick was looking for wire, too. Merle found some. On the phone.

I think you're assigning too much meaning to the phone. Yes, Rick had an hallucination that involved the phone, but Merle didn't know that. Maybe we know that, and you're trying to say that at some deep level the writers are trying to inject some deep meaning to the phone for us, the viewers, but sometimes a phone is just a phone. I think in this case, the focus on the phone was to show us where Merle got the wire to bind Michonne.
 
2013-03-26 05:05:55 PM

ZeroCorpse: think you're assigning too much meaning to the phone. Yes, Rick had an hallucination that involved the phone, but Merle didn't know that. Maybe we know that, and you're trying to say that at some deep level the writers are trying to inject some deep meaning to the phone for us, the viewers, but sometimes a phone is just a phone. I think in this case, the focus on the phone was to show us where Merle got the wire to bind Michonne.


I was looking for some meaning behind his grabbing of the phone too, it seemed very focused. You may be right though.
 
2013-03-26 05:15:23 PM
Also, not everything is allegory. Sometimes, people who think they're smart just try too hard to see allegory where the writer intended none.

I've had people point out "obvious" symbolism in my writing, and sometimes my answer to that is, "If it's so obvious, why didn't I think of that while I was writing it?"

You strike me as the kind of guy who sees someone get a pie in the face, and then tells everyone else it had a deeper meaning that referenced Kierkegaard, the Bible, and the greater concerns of the lower classes during the fall of Rome... And then the writer turns to you and says, "No. It was just pie."
 
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