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2013-03-24 03:06:17 PM
Oh, just Star Wars. I was afraid it was Dune.
 
2013-03-24 03:55:35 PM

simplicimus: Oh, just Star Wars. I was afraid it was Dune.


Dune universe is far to complicated for a movie or miniseries. Though Sci-fi's children of dune was a good attempt.
 
2013-03-24 03:55:45 PM
Lucas already accomplished that.
 
2013-03-24 03:56:30 PM
Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.
 
2013-03-24 04:03:58 PM

stuhayes2010: Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.


Neither do I.  JJ saved Star Trek.  But Star Trek fanbois think the show should be about enlightened individuals who sit in the ships lounge drinking tea and discussing philosophy for two hours.  Not actually - ya know - doing stuff.

/considering how bad ST:TNG and most of the movies were - I'm completely surprised that it lasted this long
 
2013-03-24 04:05:52 PM
I'm just glad somebody wrestled that franchise from Lucas' hands. We really can only go up from here (though if you were to ask me what *I* really wanted, it would be to just let the franchise be; but then, I'm not the one in control of an IP that basically just prints money)
 
2013-03-24 04:16:55 PM
I have two wishes for the new Star Wars: that it doesn't suck and that we get to see Han, Lando, and Chewbacca off having cool adventures.
 
2013-03-24 04:25:14 PM

gingerjet: stuhayes2010: Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.

Neither do I.  JJ saved Star Trek.  But Star Trek fanbois think the show should be about enlightened individuals who sit in the ships lounge drinking tea and discussing philosophy for two hours.  Not actually - ya know - doing stuff.

/considering how bad ST:TNG and most of the movies were - I'm completely surprised that it lasted this long


Well... if you cant understand it, perhaps this will help.

Its like if Hollywood decided that, because Ghandi isn't relevant anymore, they should turn him into an action hero. I mean, this way he's relevant again right?!-nevermind the message, because its just getting him back into popular culture that's important, yeah?

That's what's been done to Star Trek.

Now, for the record, I enjoyed the reboot, it's a fun action romp. But to me it seems it's cost Trek it's heart and soul.
 
2013-03-24 04:39:34 PM
Most of the really insane Star Wars fans I know aren't even two decades old.
 
2013-03-24 04:42:12 PM

skodabunny: gingerjet: stuhayes2010: Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.

Neither do I.  JJ saved Star Trek.  But Star Trek fanbois think the show should be about enlightened individuals who sit in the ships lounge drinking tea and discussing philosophy for two hours.  Not actually - ya know - doing stuff.

/considering how bad ST:TNG and most of the movies were - I'm completely surprised that it lasted this long

Well... if you cant understand it, perhaps this will help.

Its like if Hollywood decided that, because Ghandi isn't relevant anymore, they should turn him into an action hero. I mean, this way he's relevant again right?!-nevermind the message, because its just getting him back into popular culture that's important, yeah?

That's what's been done to Star Trek.

Now, for the record, I enjoyed the reboot, it's a fun action romp. But to me it seems it's cost Trek it's heart and soul.


Or we could say that the Twilight series made it cool to have Werewolves and Vampires in Major Hollywood Movies again.
 
2013-03-24 04:44:46 PM

gingerjet: Lucas already accomplished that.


And for the record, THIS. I may have a "Meh" attitude to much of what Abrams does (his style isn't one that I enjoy.), I'm quite confident in risking a jinx on his Star Wars stuff by saying it can't be any worse that the Lucas Prequels.
 
2013-03-24 04:47:33 PM

stuhayes2010: simplicimus: Oh, just Star Wars. I was afraid it was Dune.

Dune universe is far to complicated for a movie or miniseries. Though Sci-fi's children of dune was a good attempt.


Could make a tv show out of it. There's enough material for 5 seasons, at least.
 
2013-03-24 04:58:48 PM
I read that as "irradiate" and wondered "why, those people aren't breeding anyway."
 
2013-03-24 05:14:21 PM
I thought every JJ related Fark headline had to use a lens flare joke.
 
2013-03-24 05:27:41 PM
His Star Trek fanfic is an abomination but I'd be hard pressed to see how he can fark up Star Wars worse than Lucas did himself.
 
2013-03-24 05:36:17 PM

Ghastly: His Star Trek fanfic is an abomination but I'd be hard pressed to see how he can fark up Star Wars worse than Lucas did himself.


gingerjet: Lucas already accomplished that.


Both of these right here.
 
2013-03-24 05:38:24 PM
I never knew there was so much hate for the new Star Trek out there.  Today I learned that hardcore sci-fi buffs are afraid of the future and the change it may bring (to storytelling).
 
2013-03-24 05:41:08 PM

fusillade762: Ghastly: His Star Trek fanfic is an abomination but I'd be hard pressed to see how he can fark up Star Wars worse than Lucas did himself.

gingerjet: Lucas already accomplished that.

Both of these right here.


Done. Close thread.
 
2013-03-24 05:49:54 PM

skodabunny: Its like if Hollywood decided that, because Ghandi isn't relevant anymore, they should turn him into an action hero. I mean, this way he's relevant again right?!-nevermind the message, because its just getting him back into popular culture that's important, yeah?


So you're equating your Spaceman Spiff show with Ghandi. That's your problem.
 
2013-03-24 06:13:33 PM

simplicimus: stuhayes2010: simplicimus: Oh, just Star Wars. I was afraid it was Dune.

Dune universe is far to complicated for a movie or miniseries. Though Sci-fi's children of dune was a good attempt.

Could make a tv show out of it. There's enough material for 5 seasons, at least.



I most vehemently disagree with this. Any long term Dune project will eventually run afoul of Brian Herbert's and Kevin Anderson's work. Let Dune go, man, because it's gone.

It unfortunately that there are not more consentient universe short stories. Whipping star might be made into a serial, but I am not sure Dosadi could. They would both need some set up and that gets us right back to the Dune abominations.
 
2013-03-24 06:15:52 PM

Mentalpatient87: skodabunny: Its like if Hollywood decided that, because Ghandi isn't relevant anymore, they should turn him into an action hero. I mean, this way he's relevant again right?!-nevermind the message, because its just getting him back into popular culture that's important, yeah?

So you're equating your Spaceman Spiff show with Ghandi. That's your problem.


Lol, no, that's just my trite analogy. But if you want to pretend that's what I think, more power to you. As analogies go I think it works rather well.
And that's your problem.
 
2013-03-24 07:16:44 PM

Techhell: gingerjet: Lucas already accomplished that.

And for the record, THIS. I may have a "Meh" attitude to much of what Abrams does (his style isn't one that I enjoy.), I'm quite confident in risking a jinx on his Star Wars stuff by saying it can't be any worse that the Lucas Prequels.



Couldn't agree more. The prequels were unwatchable even with thendecent talent. There was just no reason to make them from a creative perspective.
 
2013-03-24 07:35:14 PM
The difference between Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans is that Star Wars fans really just want to see more of the universe.  Anything (well, almost anything) that furthers that end will be successful.  This is why at the age of 5 I happily sat through the (awful) Life Day special and at the age of 15, watched the ewok movie repeatedly (while babysitting a 3 yr old who wouldn't turn it off) and now, love KOTOR and really just the universe in general.

JJ may not have been my first choice, but it WILL be successful and that means more Star Wars.  And I can't be anything but happy about that.

/nerd
 
2013-03-24 08:00:03 PM

Ghastly: His Star Trek fanfic is an abomination but I'd be hard pressed to see how he can fark up Star Wars worse than Lucas did himself.


Why? Because he didn't do the obvious thing and give Quinto and Pine a love scene?

/be in my bunk, I will be
 
2013-03-24 08:02:55 PM

gingerjet: stuhayes2010: Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.

Neither do I.  JJ saved Star Trek.  But Star Trek fanbois think the show should be about enlightened individuals who sit in the ships lounge drinking tea and discussing philosophy for two hours.  Not actually - ya know - doing stuff.

/considering how bad ST:TNG and most of the movies were - I'm completely surprised that it lasted this long


The issue here is Star Trek was always a TV show. You could spend the time to have drawn out conversations and spend a lot of time to build characters and situations. This is why Star Trek did great as a TV series but horrible as movies. In movies, you need a big plot with action with little room for exposition, talking, and long discussions. Sure, certain movies got it right like Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact, (even Voyage Home). But the new Star Trek didn't have a TV series with the actors it has so it can be the fast paced action plot and JJ did a good job with it.

Not sure what you can do with Star Wars Episode VII....how do you get it to fit in with the first 6? A completely new story would work out much better. But aside from that, where do you go  that will not take a huge leap in story in understanding to have it make sense.
 
2013-03-24 08:38:13 PM

ActionJoe: Sure, certain movies got it right like Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact, (even Voyage Home).


I'd argue The Motion Picture and to a lesser extent, Search for Spock (there was a lot of good shiat in there that would be used later) were also good Trek films.

Just for the love of Christ, why Roberto Orci? Visually JJ Abrams' Trek movie was great but the script was as terrible as any TNG movie. And this Orci guy keeps getting all the cool gigs and they all just suck so much.

Thankfully I got into the technical side. You send a demo reel and you get a gig based on your abilities, not whatever it is screenwriters have to do.

BTW, are the new Trek guys going to have to deal with V'ger? V'ger's launching towards Earth wouldn't have been affected by the new timeline. Maybe the Whale Probe too.
 
2013-03-24 09:30:16 PM

stuhayes2010: simplicimus: Oh, just Star Wars. I was afraid it was Dune.

Dune universe is far to complicated for a movie or miniseries. Though Sci-fi's children of dune was a good attempt.



Sci-fi's Dune was as good, and I really enjoyed it, but any real Dune rendering would be rated R at the very least, if not outright X rated.

/Vaginal pulsing FTW.
//Heretics of Dune is my favorite book.
///Parts of it are more racy than most porn I've read.
////Brian Herbert is an abomination who shall burn in the "Special Hell."
 
2013-03-24 10:47:12 PM
I just want to watch the movies and be done with it.
 
2013-03-24 11:22:07 PM

Mugato: ActionJoe: Sure, certain movies got it right like Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact, (even Voyage Home).

I'd argue The Motion Picture and to a lesser extent, Search for Spock (there was a lot of good shiat in there that would be used later) were also good Trek films.

Just for the love of Christ, why Roberto Orci? Visually JJ Abrams' Trek movie was great but the script was as terrible as any TNG movie. And this Orci guy keeps getting all the cool gigs and they all just suck so much.

Thankfully I got into the technical side. You send a demo reel and you get a gig based on your abilities, not whatever it is screenwriters have to do.

BTW, are the new Trek guys going to have to deal with V'ger? V'ger's launching towards Earth wouldn't have been affected by the new timeline. Maybe the Whale Probe too.


V'Ger, Whale Probe....The Doomsday Machine, that giant ameoba, all those sucking things that killed Kirk's brother, Nomad.....they're all out there. Coming.

As for arguing how good the movies are as a whole, I'd say the only two Trek movies of any kind that are pure crap are Nemesis and The Final Frontier. Question is, which one is worse? Nemesis is pretty stupid, but V is stupid and looks half assed.

And it surprises me that we're this far into this thread without a certain someone roaring in to defend JJ's good name....
 
2013-03-25 01:10:19 AM
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2013-03-25 03:02:47 AM
I can't wait to see the Pepsi Presents The Millennial Generation Falcon with Burger King's own Han Solo.
 
2013-03-25 08:05:50 AM

stuhayes2010: simplicimus: Oh, just Star Wars. I was afraid it was Dune.

Dune universe is far to complicated for a movie or miniseries. Though Sci-fi's children of dune was a good attempt.


I liked the Sci-fi attempt, if for no other reason that the Harkonnens weren't portrayed as such idiodically over-the-top villians.  (OK, so the guys with the good hair and speeches are the good guys, right?  And the guy with the face fungus and the heart plug who just bathed in a slaves blood is bad?  Thanks David Lynch, I was worried I wouldn't be able to keep them straight).

Abram's Star Wars would be like all of his other movies:  generic, shiny, safe, and hyped all to hell.  From a money standpoint, he's a guarantee of profit, no matter how goddawful the writing may be.  But, as people said above, his ST movie might not have been ST, but it was sure as hell better than the last several crappy movies.
 
2013-03-25 09:28:22 AM

Your_Huckleberry: I'd say the only two Trek movies of any kind that are pure crap are Nemesis and The Final Frontier.


Generations had the most non-sensical, plot hole ridden story of all of them, even more than the new one. Final Frontier could have redeemed itself with a decent ending. But Nemesis had a dune buggy. So Nemesis wins.
 
2013-03-25 10:15:52 AM

Phil Moskowitz: I can't wait to see the Pepsi Presents The Millennial Generation Falcon with Burger King's own Han Solo.


I am not sure what you are trying to say, but my family had all the Burger King Star Wars glasses back in the day.
 
2013-03-25 11:16:25 AM

skodabunny: gingerjet: stuhayes2010: Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.

Neither do I.  JJ saved Star Trek.  But Star Trek fanbois think the show should be about enlightened individuals who sit in the ships lounge drinking tea and discussing philosophy for two hours.  Not actually - ya know - doing stuff.

/considering how bad ST:TNG and most of the movies were - I'm completely surprised that it lasted this long

Well... if you cant understand it, perhaps this will help.

Its like if Hollywood decided that, because Ghandi isn't relevant anymore, they should turn him into an action hero. I mean, this way he's relevant again right?!-nevermind the message, because its just getting him back into popular culture that's important, yeah?

That's what's been done to Star Trek.

Now, for the record, I enjoyed the reboot, it's a fun action romp. But to me it seems it's cost Trek it's heart and soul.


Well put. This is "Ghandi, the roller-coaster ride".

I like the Star Trek 2009 movie, but to me it isn't quite Star Trek because Trek is about a future where humanity got our shiat together. I'm sick to death of "dark future" crap and being told that hope that we can better ourselves is "unrealistic". Instead of a hopeful future we got racist Vulcans, Kirk's abusive stepfather, asshole Starfleet cadets, etc.

Plus Engineering, one of my fave locations on the ship in terms of design, has been replaced with a brewery. Sigh.
 
2013-03-25 11:29:36 AM

that was my nickname in highschool: never knew there was so much hate for the new Star Trek out there. Today I learned that hardcore sci-fi buffs are afraid of the future and the change it may bring (to storytelling).


The mode may change but SUBSTANCE of the stories told in today's giant-screen, IMAX 3D digital cinemas aren't any different than they were when we were just cavemen scratching out paintings on the wall of our cave.

Abrams isn't a terrible director.  Neither is he in any sense of the word an auteur.
 
2013-03-25 11:54:22 AM

Darth Otter: Trek is about a future where humanity got our shiat together. I'm sick to death of "dark future" crap and being told that hope that we can better ourselves is "unrealistic"


Yeah but that "perfect humanity" shiat didn't really start until TNG and they went a bit far with it. Some of those episodes were like after school specials with Picard lecturing us about how much we in the 20th century suck so much and how awesome the 24th century people are. And it was unrealistic, like in 3 centuries we're going to get rid of religion and money. And we're going to be enlightened enough to achieve world peace, yet we're still fighting every other species in the goddamned galaxy. Besides, even in their utopian universe, we should have had a WWIII by now. The original series and Deep Space Nine found a happy medium where mankind kind of got their shiat together but can't deny their inherent need to be assholes.
 
2013-03-25 12:36:02 PM

chewielouie: fusillade762: Ghastly: His Star Trek fanfic is an abomination but I'd be hard pressed to see how he can fark up Star Wars worse than Lucas did himself.

gingerjet: Lucas already accomplished that.

Both of these right here.

Done. Close thread.


Want to know how I  know none of you have watched the Clone Wars series?
 
2013-03-25 01:25:31 PM

Darth Otter: skodabunny: gingerjet: stuhayes2010: Don't understand the JJ hate over Star Trek. I liked it. But then again I know it's just a movie and don't take it that seriously.

Neither do I.  JJ saved Star Trek.  But Star Trek fanbois think the show should be about enlightened individuals who sit in the ships lounge drinking tea and discussing philosophy for two hours.  Not actually - ya know - doing stuff.

/considering how bad ST:TNG and most of the movies were - I'm completely surprised that it lasted this long

Well... if you cant understand it, perhaps this will help.

Its like if Hollywood decided that, because Ghandi isn't relevant anymore, they should turn him into an action hero. I mean, this way he's relevant again right?!-nevermind the message, because its just getting him back into popular culture that's important, yeah?

That's what's been done to Star Trek.

Now, for the record, I enjoyed the reboot, it's a fun action romp. But to me it seems it's cost Trek it's heart and soul.

Well put. This is "Ghandi, the roller-coaster ride".

I like the Star Trek 2009 movie, but to me it isn't quite Star Trek because Trek is about a future where humanity got our shiat together. I'm sick to death of "dark future" crap and being told that hope that we can better ourselves is "unrealistic". Instead of a hopeful future we got racist Vulcans, Kirk's abusive stepfather, asshole Starfleet cadets, etc.

Plus Engineering, one of my fave locations on the ship in terms of design, has been replaced with a brewery. Sigh.


If we didn't have some kind of realistic bent to Star Trek, everyone would think it is hokey. Having racist Vulcans is actually pretty believable. Plus the Vulcans have always been holier than thou when it comes to their supposed advantage of not having emotions. It would seem logical some Vulcans would appear racist about it. Abusive and asshole characters need to exist because they will always exist. Anything else would make you think it is 1984 and everyone is double plus good.

I think that this is the theme for the next star trek. Starfleet is supposed to be this ideal but they have done some bad things and the bad guy wants to expose Starfleet.
 
2013-03-25 01:40:53 PM

ActionJoe: I think that this is the theme for the next star trek. Starfleet is supposed to be this ideal but they have done some bad things and the bad guy wants to expose Starfleet.


That's what "Section 31" was about in DS9. The Federation gets to look like a lawful-good paradise because there's a secret organization that does all its nefarious shiat for them.
 
2013-03-25 10:38:45 PM

Mugato: ActionJoe: I think that this is the theme for the next star trek. Starfleet is supposed to be this ideal but they have done some bad things and the bad guy wants to expose Starfleet.

That's what "Section 31" was about in DS9. The Federation gets to look like a lawful-good paradise because there's a secret organization that does all its nefarious shiat for them.


They did a good job picking up on that theme in Enterprise, as well.  One of Ron Moore's better ideas from his days with Star Trek.
 
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