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(Nola.com)   NOLA judge rules law banning felons from guns unconstitutional after a constiutional amendment was passed last year by voters making gun ownership a "fundamental right" on the same level as freedom of speech/religion - 'Laissez les bon temps roulez'   (nola.com) divider line 280
    More: Obvious, New Orleans, strict scrutiny, gun ownership, dangerous goods, People from Louisiana, fundamental rights, freedom of speech, Smith & Wesson  
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2013-03-24 11:07:28 AM  
Subby, keep the headlines succinct so that they at least make SENSE...
 
2013-03-24 11:13:13 AM  
And depending on what the SCOTUS says in the Prop 8 case about trying to take away rights once recognized, it may well be that the people of Louisiana have placed themselves into an interesting Cajun pickle.
 
2013-03-24 11:28:55 AM  
Unintended consequences, biatches!
 
2013-03-24 11:49:05 AM  
We can still take away their right to vote, though?
 
2013-03-24 11:49:35 AM  
abb3w:  it may well be that the people of Louisiana have placed themselves into an interesting Cajun pickle.

I generally prefer cucumbers and peppers in mine but if the good folks over at Laffitte's start putting Louisanans in the jars I'll give it a shot
 
2013-03-24 12:14:02 PM  
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-03-24 12:23:12 PM  
Am I the only one who hates the French language?
 
2013-03-24 12:30:49 PM  

propasaurus: We can still take away their right to vote, though?


Unfortunately, I think we can and do.

If they're that farking dangerous we should keep them in prison - or just execute them.

Otherwise, give them guns and ballots once they've completed their sentences.
 
2013-03-24 12:31:22 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


You hate everything except pork rinds and Nascar.
 
2013-03-24 12:32:30 PM  

gopher321: cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?

You hate everything except pork rinds and Nascar.


I actually hate both of those
 
2013-03-24 12:39:45 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


I can't bring myself to have strong emotions toward a language.  So maybe.  I think it sounds weird, but that's because I'm lame and only speak one language (in the interest of my privacy, I won't reveal which one language I speak).
 
2013-03-24 12:41:23 PM  

martissimo: I generally prefer cucumbers and peppers in mine but if the good folks over at Laffitte's start putting Louisanans in the jars I'll give it a shot


This quintessentially Cajun pickle looks possibly tasty.
 
2013-03-24 01:15:12 PM  
There's a place in Opelousas where I get pickled quail eggs when I'm in the area. They're really good.
 
2013-03-24 03:02:56 PM  
You can become a felon quite easily these days. If thought were applied to laws, which it isn't, you could separate violent felons from non violent felons and allow the latter gun ownership.
 
2013-03-24 03:04:38 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


oui.
 
2013-03-24 03:11:15 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


Nein.
 
2013-03-24 03:25:51 PM  
Laissez les bon temps roulezr

/Pet peave
//HTH
 
2013-03-24 03:42:10 PM  

SilentStrider: cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?

oui.


Non.
 
2013-03-24 03:42:31 PM  

Happy Hours: propasaurus: We can still take away their right to vote, though?

Unfortunately, I think we can and do.

If they're that farking dangerous we should keep them in prison - or just execute them.

Otherwise, give them guns and ballots once they've completed their sentences.


I grudgingly agree with you. If they are on parole etc. obviously that is different. But if they served their sentence and are released then they should be allowed to own guns and vote again, if those two rights are indeed inalienable.
 
2013-03-24 03:42:36 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


Sir if you're calling the author of 'A la recherche du temps perdu' a looney, I shall have to ask you to step outside!
 
2013-03-24 03:45:07 PM  
Low level state judge.  Doubt it will last on appeal.
 
2013-03-24 03:45:08 PM  

zamboni: Laissez les bon temps roulezr



upload.wikimedia.org

R.I.P. ROULEZ-ROUZ
 
2013-03-24 03:45:37 PM  
Speaking of guns, is the size of a Republican man's penis measured when he is holding his gun or when he is flacid?
 
2013-03-24 03:46:08 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


I just don't understand their insistence that I remember the made-up genders of inanimate objects.
 
2013-03-24 03:47:13 PM  
Giving gun laws strict scrutiny on a state level?  Interesting.

I doubt they'd ever get that level of scrutiny on a federal level.
 
2013-03-24 03:48:04 PM  

simplicimus: You can become a felon quite easily these days. If thought were applied to laws, which it isn't, you could separate violent felons from non violent felons and allow the latter gun ownership.


Perhaps you can become a felon easily. For those of us that are not sociopaths and have even a small amount of common sense, it is quite easy to avoid becoming a felon.
 
2013-03-24 03:56:02 PM  
WTFamireading.jpg
 
2013-03-24 03:57:57 PM  
Don't we already take away the right to vote from felons? Seems that's the bigger right to lose, imo.
 
2013-03-24 03:58:58 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: simplicimus: You can become a felon quite easily these days. If thought were applied to laws, which it isn't, you could separate violent felons from non violent felons and allow the latter gun ownership.

Perhaps you can become a felon easily. For those of us that are not sociopaths and have even a small amount of common sense, it is quite easy to avoid becoming a felon.


You sound very reasonable. I like how you didn't simplify things there.

Idiot.

/not a felon
 
2013-03-24 03:59:05 PM  

Happy Hours: propasaurus: We can still take away their right to vote, though?

Unfortunately, I think we can and do.

If they're that farking dangerous we should keep them in prison - or just execute them.

Otherwise, give them guns and ballots once they've completed their sentences.


Exactly.  People do have the ability to pay their debt to society and move on.
 
2013-03-24 03:59:32 PM  

mpirooz: I grudgingly agree with you. If they are on parole etc. obviously that is different. But if they served their sentence and are released then they should be allowed to own guns and vote again, if those two rights are indeed inalienable.


Indeed. I can see having one's right to own guns restricted for a period of time if one has been convicted of a crime (particularly a crime of violence), but if one is able to live a decent, non-criminal life for a while, it seems reasonable to have one's rights restored.

The whole "felon" = "no guns ever" seems a bit excessive when people can become felons for non-violent crimes like file sharing or other "white collar crimes".
 
2013-03-24 04:00:51 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who hates the French language?


They are Cajuns, so the language they speak only looks like french.

It sure doesn't sound like it thoeaux.
 
2013-03-24 04:04:39 PM  
Well... do we restore rights to felons once they have completed their punishment, or do we not?

Are some Constitutional rights different from other Constitutional rights? Do they get to vote, freely speak, assemble, practice their religion, redress grievances, not incriminate themselves, not quarter troops etc... but lose the right to possess guns? If so, why?

I understand that it's... uncomfortable... but have they completed their punishment, or not?

Who gets to decide?

/Hey... I'm just talkin' here... and I know Fenster's down.
 
2013-03-24 04:09:51 PM  
I read the last part of the headline as, "Laissez les bon creme boulette". It makes about as much sense....
 
2013-03-24 04:12:54 PM  
I was unaware that a provision of a state Constitution could override established Federal law.
 
2013-03-24 04:15:48 PM  

propasaurus: We can still take away their right to vote, though?


HAH
came here to say/ask exactly this
 
2013-03-24 04:17:51 PM  

simplicimus: You can become a felon quite easily these days. If thought were applied to laws, which it isn't, you could separate violent felons from non violent felons and allow the latter gun ownership.


either you have your full rights when the punishment is done or you are still being punished.
constitution forbids that.
 
2013-03-24 04:18:36 PM  

inclemency: Milo Minderbinder: simplicimus: You can become a felon quite easily these days. If thought were applied to laws, which it isn't, you could separate violent felons from non violent felons and allow the latter gun ownership.

Perhaps you can become a felon easily. For those of us that are not sociopaths and have even a small amount of common sense, it is quite easy to avoid becoming a felon.

You sound very reasonable. I like how you didn't simplify things there.

Idiot.

/not a felon


Okay, I will simplify things: don't hurt people, don't take things that don't belong to you, and don't have anything to do with controlled substances. Follow those, and you probably won't become a felon.
 
2013-03-24 04:19:39 PM  
Gov. Bobby Jindal wrote an op-ed too, but his exhorted voters to pass the amendment, which he described as "an ironclad guarantee of freedom here in Louisiana."

bobby is pandering right and left trying desperately to get some national attenion and/or a national office. it is coming back to bite him in his skinny ass and and about time.

when mike foster hired him he was a fresh face nerdy kid hired to be a numbers wonk. and from all accounts good at it. then he went off to congress and started to trend right. katrina gave him a shot at the governor's chair that he had failed to win earlier. it's been all downhill since.
 
2013-03-24 04:20:50 PM  
Milo Minderbinder:
Okay, I will simplify things: don't hurt people, don't take things that don't belong to you, and don't have anything to do with controlled substances. Follow those, and you probably won't become a felon.

How the fark am I gonna get rich?
 
2013-03-24 04:22:53 PM  

mpirooz: Happy Hours: propasaurus: We can still take away their right to vote, though?

Unfortunately, I think we can and do.

If they're that farking dangerous we should keep them in prison - or just execute them.

Otherwise, give them guns and ballots once they've completed their sentences.

I grudgingly agree with you. If they are on parole etc. obviously that is different. But if they served their sentence and are released then they should be allowed to own guns and vote again, if those two rights are indeed inalienable.


Bingo. Look at the $$$ people responsible for major corporate crimes - they don't have to admit guilt, they don't go to prison, their company pays a fine. What bullshiat. Some people get farked for life, some people have never been farked in their life - while both are criminals.
 
2013-03-24 04:23:33 PM  
I'm OK with this.

/never lived in Louisiana
//don't even live in the US anymore
 
2013-03-24 04:24:56 PM  

Dimensio: I was unaware that a provision of a state Constitution could override established Federal law.


It can't.  The ruling, even if it stands, would effect only state prosecutions for Louisiana's law prohibiting felons from possessing firearms.  It would have no bearing on federal prosecutions under federal law.
 
2013-03-24 04:26:16 PM  
Subbbbyyyy, dis iz 'Merica, an if yall dont speek inglish, ya will be sent off to that thar gitmo in tuktatuktuk.

/All hail the new President of Earth: Richard Nixon's Head.

french is a dead language so quit digging up the dead
 
2013-03-24 04:27:12 PM  
Namatad:that's a good point.Milo: that's a little naive.
 
2013-03-24 04:30:36 PM  

zamboni: Laissez les bon temps roulezr

/Pet peave
//HTH



Better yet:  Laissez les bons temps rouler.

The judge needs to read this case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States

Even the First Amendment does not confer absolute rights.

"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic."   --Justice Holmes
 
2013-03-24 04:35:35 PM  

simplicimus: Namatad:that's a good point.Milo: that's a little naive.


Really? Are there a whole lot of people who just have horrible luck and end up felons?
 
2013-03-24 04:37:59 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: simplicimus: You can become a felon quite easily these days. If thought were applied to laws, which it isn't, you could separate violent felons from non violent felons and allow the latter gun ownership.

Perhaps you can become a felon easily. For those of us that are not sociopaths and have even a small amount of common sense, it is quite easy to avoid becoming a felon.


Another example of why most psychologists have abandoned the term "sociopath."
 
2013-03-24 04:38:40 PM  
I love watching the gun nuts and NRA supporters trying to argue for preventing felons from having guns.
 
2013-03-24 04:48:31 PM  
Please please please let this stand...Looking forward to 2014 ads about how Republicans and the NRA worked to make sure all felons have equal access to guns.  It will be beautiful.
 
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