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(Townhall)   Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs. Student complains the college. College does A) apologize, B) Bring the Professor before a committee, or C) Suspend the student and go into denial mode   (townhall.com) divider line 34
    More: Asinine, jesus, Florida Atlantic University, Paul Kengor, colleges, students, Delaware Democratic Party, professors, Ryan Rotela  
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2013-03-24 10:27:29 AM
6 votes:
The university did not explain why students were only instructed to write the name of Jesus - and not the name of Mohammed or another religious figure.

Oh, that's easy. They would be the target of terrorist attacks and called "racist" if they had told the students to write Mohammed.

Also, "Mohammed" is harder to spell than Jesus and most of the student would probably have been unable to do so.
2013-03-24 09:56:10 AM
5 votes:

Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?


Probably just the opposite. The Bible warns about idolatry and the worship of graven images. He should have stomped that piece of paper good to prove his faith.
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2013-03-24 10:13:32 AM
4 votes:

eraser8: Is there a reason our society treats religious ideas so much more gingerly than other kinds of ideas?

This isn't a troll. I'm seriously asking.


Because they are crazy and there are a lot of them?
2013-03-24 09:52:20 AM
4 votes:
Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?
2013-03-24 01:24:11 PM
3 votes:
standupforthetruth.com

1. Print this picture
2. Make a video desecrating it in some creative and hilariously entering fashion
3. Post video to YouTube
4. Post link on Fark
5. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.
2013-03-24 12:11:24 PM
3 votes:
The real outrage is that someone is paying per credit hour for the bullshiat.
2013-03-24 01:36:24 PM
2 votes:

RickN99: houstondragon: eraser8: Is there a reason our society treats religious ideas so much more gingerly than other kinds of ideas?

This isn't a troll. I'm seriously asking.

Most major wars and a great deal of historical murdering sprees tend to come from arguing over who has the coolest sky wizard.

Or by not showing the appropriate level of fanaticism towards said sky wizard when confronted.

/See: Crusades
//Or: Inquisition
///Or: Romans vs Christians
////Or: Dark Ages
//Etc etc etc

All dwarfed by the murdering sprees of those arguing that no sky wizard exists.

/See:  Stalin
//Or Mao
///Etc, etc, etc


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2013-03-24 10:38:46 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: There is a substantive difference between thinking "he's a good guy" and "bowing and scraping" or "treating him as a godhead."   I think Sir Arthur Guinness, Alan Turing, and Sir Thomas Crapper were great men, because each of them invented something that makes my life better, but I don't worship any of them.



Quite a lot of people do worship Crapper at his Porcelain Throne.
2013-03-24 08:01:15 PM
1 votes:
FloydA:
The point of the exercise was to get the students to think

Hence the religious objection. /snark
2013-03-24 03:20:55 PM
1 votes:
This is college people. I had one professor take me through proofs of God's existence. I had another play me video of a Pope's funeral while giving running commentary about how silly the whole thing was. Another assignment was to do an ancient Chinese divination ritual. You go there to be challenged by new ideas from a variety of people. If you are silly enough to complain because you got the opportunity to learn something new, you should be kicked out and blacklisted from any educational institution. You're obviously unteachable.

Now if a teacher had try to do this at a high school, he would have been burned at the steak and no one would have said "boo". That's the difference between highschool and college: In highschool you learn the officially approved truth- in college you get to learn controversial ideas.
2013-03-24 03:13:21 PM
1 votes:
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2013-03-24 03:11:18 PM
1 votes:

Epicedion: Amos Quito: Hickory-smoked: Amos Quito: How was this not a HATE CRIME?

/Discuss

Because "hate crime" does not mean that hatred or expressions that can interpreted at hateful are criminal, but rather refers to bias-motivated violence, which this is not.

Understand now?


No.

Please show where VIOLENCE is a necessary factor in any "hate crime" under law.

Thanks for your help.

I'm pretty sure crime is a necessary part of a hate crime.


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2013-03-24 03:10:51 PM
1 votes:
Another Drama major, I'm guessing?
2013-03-24 02:50:20 PM
1 votes:
FTA: Ryan Rotela, a devout Mormon, was in the classroom and refused to participate - telling television station WPEC that the assignment was insulting and offensive.
"He had us all stand up and he said 'Stomp on it,'" Rotela said. "I picked up the paper from the floor and put it right back on the table. I'm not going to be sitting in a class having my religious rights desecrated."


You know... that piece of paper probably got thrown away. It's sitting in a trash heap right now.
2013-03-24 02:31:02 PM
1 votes:

Igor Jakovsky: LtDarkstar: GAT_00: St_Francis_P: Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?

Probably just the opposite. The Bible warns about idolatry and the worship of graven images. He should have stomped that piece of paper good to prove his faith.

I've always liked that Christians pray every week to a God who condemned them for false idols while being surrounded by false idols.

Being surrounded by them is one thing, worshiping them is another.  Most Christians do not worship false idols. The only ones I know of that actually DO are Catholics.  Of course i've seen unsaved Catholics before so being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean they are Christian.

Saying that you take the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior isn't going to get you into heaven either.


Obviously you haven't read the Bible have you?
2013-03-24 02:24:19 PM
1 votes:
I had several students express similar concerns when I taught evolution in freshmen biology classes. I told them they didn't have to believe it, but they had better know it since they would be tested on it.

/I actually had the occasional student dispute my assertion that dinosaurs and humans did not coexist.
2013-03-24 02:18:48 PM
1 votes:

Cornelius Dribble: Pop quiz: explain the difference between "step" (as used in the lesson description) and "stomp" (as used in the Townhall article).


Stomping is more fun.

/step is also less violent sounding to some
2013-03-24 02:00:34 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Did the principal catch sayof--complained the college?


Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Jesusstompsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. <- maybe like this?
2013-03-24 01:57:38 PM
1 votes:
The school can't go into details because of student privacy, but stated that nobody was punished for not participating in this assignment. I'll bet this little jackass complained, and when the administration blew him off or tried to explain the context of the exercise, he threw a little tantrum and THAT is what he was suspended for.

If critical thinking is difficult for you, college may not be the right choice. Try a technical school or go be a carpenter like Jesus.
2013-03-24 01:42:36 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: rkiller1: eraser8: Note: "De Jure" is a Latin term that means "concerning the law."   "Du Jour" is a French phrase means "of the day" or "made for a particular time."


I bow to your superior knowledge of words non-English.  Good thing I didn't write au jus or au gratin.
2013-03-24 01:30:32 PM
1 votes:
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2013-03-24 01:20:31 PM
1 votes:

raerae1980: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

 Id have no problem stomping on it.  Im an atheist and I have doubts on if he even existed.


an atheist? On Fark? Now I've seen it all
2013-03-24 01:19:52 PM
1 votes:
WTF is this? Shogun?
2013-03-24 01:17:59 PM
1 votes:

raerae1980: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

 Id have no problem stomping on it.  Im an atheist and I have doubts on if he even existed.


I see you don't believe in apostrophes either.
2013-03-24 01:17:20 PM
1 votes:
So any student that doesn't want to stomp on the paper is asked to think about why - an exercise that leads to more introspection and a collegiate level of discussion of important symbols in a culture. Hell, push the envelope if that's the case. Put a cross, a star of david, an crescent moon, a yinyang, a swastika (the peace kind AND the Nazi kind), and an American flag on different pieces of paper and ask the students to stomp on and rip up whichever ones they think are appropriate.

Nowhere in the derpfest article is there any mention of tying one's grade to stomping on the paper (ie "If you don't do this, you will fail the class"), which WOULD be a violation of religious expression.

But what do I know, I'm a liberal and enjoy context.
2013-03-24 01:16:13 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: The exercise is pointless for those students who have no reverence for Jesus.  Those students should be forced to say a prayer to Jesus instead.  Then they could benefit from the exercise too.


Laying it on thick today.
2013-03-24 01:12:37 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: Is there a reason our society treats religious ideas so much more gingerly than other kinds of ideas?

This isn't a troll. I'm seriously asking.



Votes.
2013-03-24 01:12:10 PM
1 votes:
It's a mormon?  who cares?

They're nothing more than scientologists that say Jesus than Xenu.   Their a cult and not deserving of respect.
2013-03-24 01:11:14 PM
1 votes:
You know its going to be quality when the first thing the site does is throw up an ad for "Obama's four horsemen" at you.
2013-03-24 12:38:07 PM
1 votes:
The exercise is pointless for those students who have no reverence for Jesus.  Those students should be forced to say a prayer to Jesus instead.  Then they could benefit from the exercise too.
2013-03-24 12:13:17 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Happy Hours: Then don't read Townhall. Other news outlets are carrying this story too.

"Other" news outlets?  You think world nut daily is a news outlet?


I read an article from CBS and the Palm Beach Post. Those aren't exactly Al Jazeera, the BBC or even the PBS News Hour, but I do consider them to be news outlets more respectable than Townhall or WND.

Three Crooked Squirrels: Happy Hours: Then don't read Townhall. Other news outlets are carrying this story too.

Well, it was the source Fark linked to.  They didn't link to a different source.  As far as going to a different news outlet to read this story, no thanks.  It's an unimportant story.


Maybe it's an unimportant story, but I will not hesitate to look for other sources of news if I don't like the linked source on Fark. I do the same when local TV stations try to tease me to stay tuned for their news. For example I might be watching the Simpsons on a Sunday night and the local Fox station will do a promo telling me "How the grass on your front lawn may be killing your children! Tune in to the news to find out!". And so I'll do a quick search and find out that a local university found bacteria in dog shiat or something. Is that really news? Of course not, but how your front lawn may be killing your children is a compelling and scary promo, isn't it? And before you go all anti-Fox because that's what channel the Simpson's are on, the local ABC, CBS and NBC affiliate pull the same shiat.
2013-03-24 11:16:37 AM
1 votes:
My religious sensibilities were offended when I got a TownHall pop-up ad advertising a book titled "Obama's Four Horsemen."  Equating out president to Satan is far more offensive than anything that could have happened on some campus at a college in Florida.
2013-03-24 10:37:05 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: The university did not explain why students were only instructed to write the name of Jesus - and not the name of Mohammed or another religious figure.

Oh, that's easy. They would be the target of terrorist attacks and called "racist" if they had told the students to write Mohammed.

Also, "Mohammed" is harder to spell than Jesus and most of the student would probably have been unable to do so.


Muslim students would hesitate before stepping on the name of Jesus, because they consider him one of the great prophets.  Many American Christian students would not hesitate to step on the name of Mohammed, so they would not have learned the lesson that the exercise was intended to teach.
2013-03-24 09:22:42 AM
1 votes:
"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

Ryan Rotela, a devout Mormon, was in the classroom and refused to participate - telling television station WPEC that the assignment was insulting and offensive.
"He had us all stand up and he said 'Stomp on it,'" Rotela said. "I picked up the paper from the floor and put it right back on the table. I'm not going to be sitting in a class having my religious rights desecrated."


Which illustrates the professor's point nicely, I'd say.

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