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(Townhall)   Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs. Student complains the college. College does A) apologize, B) Bring the Professor before a committee, or C) Suspend the student and go into denial mode   (townhall.com) divider line 477
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2013-03-24 04:53:42 PM  

s2s2s2: cybrwzrd: So you think the world is a better place because of religion in spite of the evil that religion causes?

So you think Evil is the result of religion? If so, then you believe in religion? Because the point you are making is that without religion, there is no evil. It is not a valid point.


Evil is the result of irrationality. I think I have made that clear by saying that immorality is caused by a lack of rationality,
 
2013-03-24 04:54:33 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Which is not remotely accurate, and a gross oversimplification.


Is it? I'm not so sure. The ME would be a lot more quiet, for one thing.

Religion is just a good method to control the public, and get them to support wars and things.

It's a good way to get people to do what you want them to do.

 Those using religion for various agendas don't genuinely believe it themselves. If it were gone, they'd just have to use other methods to manipulate the public, which already work like a charm on most atheists.

What other methods would those be? Religion trains people to uncritically accept whatever their leaders tell them. You could say similar things about communism, but ideologies with infallible leaders are closer to religion than anything else. (to err is to be human, and so on)

/this war is about freedom and liberty

Not sure which war you're talking about.
/not sure if serious, either
 
2013-03-24 04:55:01 PM  
Considering the fact that the whole point was to show irrational responses to symbolism, this sounds like the most effective lesson ever.
 
2013-03-24 04:55:02 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Look at history, all the wars over "my god is more badass than yours"


No, YOU look at history.

Back in the day, the Christians were raiding the Muslim held Jerusalem to "free the holy land" you say. Do you have any idea how wars were conducted back then? Knights would gather their loyal men, band together with weapons of war, and then go somewhere. When they got there they would sack it and take anything they wanted; treasure, food, women. Along the way there and back they would forage. Foraging in today's nomenclature would be called robbery.

Now let's look at Vikings raiding English monasteries. They didn't do it to show Odin is better than Jesus. They did it because monks had a lot of wealth, made good slaves, and had no weapons of their own. Again, greed.

Perhaps we can look at Muslim insurgents. Dissatisfied minorities trying to gain power. Just like every other insurgent group. Yeah, they want Muslim law, but the FARC wants FARC law and the Klan wants Klan law. Everyone wants to be top ramen.

Atheism isn't some magical cure for human nature. Religion's been used to justify all kinds of things, but it's not the only justification. The Iraq War, a modern crusade, was totally secular. Removing religion will just bring in some other bullshiat and put funny hat makers out of business.
 
2013-03-24 04:55:20 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /totally agree, but religion gives them a viable? excuse.


Viable in the sense that most people had some level of belief in the myths as literal, and were not able to independently research the source materials for themselves, or understand them if they did have access.

"It is for lack of knowledge that my people perish." One of my favorite lines in the Bible.

/Raised Transdenominational
/Now more of a Panwhateverist
 
2013-03-24 04:57:21 PM  

cybrwzrd: Evil is the result of irrationality. I think I have made that clear by saying that immorality is caused by a lack of rationality


I'm cool with that. Religion farked up my life, but I'm not going to blame a myth* for my problems.


*We may define "myth" differently
/*
 
2013-03-24 04:57:37 PM  
It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.
 
2013-03-24 04:59:02 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.


What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?
 
2013-03-24 04:59:29 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.


Agreed. Maybe the kid was more upset that some of the other students stomped the papers with glee. So he blames the professor for giving them the opportunity on class time.

I'm also interested to know if this kid is on a scholarship(but I think I know the answer).
 
2013-03-24 04:59:42 PM  

cybrwzrd: s2s2s2:
That we don't need religion to act immorally. People who think the world would be much different without belief systems centered around a deity, are idiots.

So you think the world is a better place because of religion in spite of the evil that religion causes?


No, he's saying that religion doesn't cause evil; it justifies evil that's going to be done anyhow.  I can teach a child to hate gays without the Bible.
 
2013-03-24 05:00:49 PM  

ginandbacon: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?


Right? Even as a myth, he's had quite an impact on the world, albeit not at all in line with his stated purpose.
 
2013-03-24 05:01:32 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.


Golly, it's almost as if ignorant people are attracted to religion.
 
2013-03-24 05:02:53 PM  

ginandbacon: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?


Nothing. Nothing at all.

Just in case you get a different answer, there's the right one.
 
2013-03-24 05:03:09 PM  

s2s2s2: ginandbacon: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?

Right? Even as a myth, he's had quite an impact on the world, albeit not at all in line with his stated purpose.


he wasn't all great.
 
2013-03-24 05:04:42 PM  
why the hell does any minor interpersonal issue become massive news
 
2013-03-24 05:05:22 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.


It was rude and pointless. I have no respect for teachers who belittle their students like that. It's a power trip and doesn't deserve praise.
 
2013-03-24 05:06:06 PM  

The number 7 and the letter Q!: Nothing. Nothing at all.

Just in case you get a different answer, there's the right one.


Thank you.
 
2013-03-24 05:06:08 PM  

doglover: Bit'O'Gristle: Look at history, all the wars over "my god is more badass than yours"

No, YOU look at history.

Back in the day, the Christians were raiding the Muslim held Jerusalem to "free the holy land" you say. Do you have any idea how wars were conducted back then? Knights would gather their loyal men, band together with weapons of war, and then go somewhere. When they got there they would sack it and take anything they wanted; treasure, food, women. Along the way there and back they would forage. Foraging in today's nomenclature would be called robbery.

Now let's look at Vikings raiding English monasteries. They didn't do it to show Odin is better than Jesus. They did it because monks had a lot of wealth, made good slaves, and had no weapons of their own. Again, greed.

Perhaps we can look at Muslim insurgents. Dissatisfied minorities trying to gain power. Just like every other insurgent group. Yeah, they want Muslim law, but the FARC wants FARC law and the Klan wants Klan law. Everyone wants to be top ramen.

Atheism isn't some magical cure for human nature. Religion's been used to justify all kinds of things, but it's not the only justification. The Iraq War, a modern crusade, was totally secular. Removing religion will just bring in some other bullshiat and put funny hat makers out of business.


People are much easier to control when they do not think about things critically before demanding things of them. That is what religion does - blind faith of the masses allows those in power to do whatever they want.

A society built around the ideas of critical thought, reason and the golden rule of do whatever the hell you want as long as it does not harm another person is something we should strive for, not fear.
 
2013-03-24 05:06:45 PM  

Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?


Irrelevant, since he wasn't forced to step on it anyway. The lesson appeared to be about the power and value of symbols in religious beliefs. It seems like a good topic to me.
 
2013-03-24 05:07:15 PM  

ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.

It was rude and pointless. I have no respect for teachers who belittle their students like that. It's a power trip and doesn't deserve praise.


Correct. We should only teach grown-ass adult college students things they already believe so that those special little grown-ass adult snowflakes don't ever have their sensibilities challenged.
 
2013-03-24 05:09:58 PM  

eddiesocket: Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?

Irrelevant, since he wasn't forced to step on it anyway. The lesson appeared to be about the power and value of symbols in religious beliefs. It seems like a good topic to me.


i.stack.imgur.com
 
2013-03-24 05:10:19 PM  

cybrwzrd: I have no problem with what the professor asked the students to do. But then again, I am of the belief that ~95% of the worlds problems would go away if religion ceased to exist tomorrow.


I haven't watched "South Park" in a long time, but I'm fairly sure they covered this topic.
 
2013-03-24 05:10:21 PM  

The number 7 and the letter Q!: the more I truly believe that now is the time for decent folks to stop being quiet.


I'm old enough to have done with being quiet. It's an absurd way to go through life.
 
2013-03-24 05:10:35 PM  
What's the big deal? They're in Florida. Could've told themselves it was Hay-Zeus instead of Jesus. They sure don't have a problem stomping on immigrants.
 
2013-03-24 05:11:37 PM  

TheBigJerk: PsiChick: TheDumbBlonde: The real outrage is that someone is paying per credit hour for the bullshiat.

'Bullshiat', of course, is the word most of us would use to define a really important lesson on culture and symbols, a lesson I actually would love to see happen in my Anthro class (I seem to be the only one who really grasps that American culture is just that,  a culture, not The Way The World Works(tm), and I'm willing to bet that's just my Assburger's working).

/Seriously, I really hate it when people go whine about 'bullshiat' that actually serves a purpose. Yes, your boss is having you do those trust exercises for a reason. No, you are not a special snowflake that can get out of it by trying to look cool and edgy and pretending it's not 'real' enough for you.

I wonder if he could have done it with the word, "America".

Actually that, too, is an interesting aspect of this.  I stop to think about what symbols wouldn't cause shiat like Townhall throwing a tantrum, because I consider the hurty widdle fee-fees of people who aren't even taking the damn class.


That's probably  why 'Jesus' was used--most of America is Christian in name only. They register as one for the census and go to church once on Easter. But yeah, pretty much no matter what the teacher's screwed, so why not go balls-out?
 
2013-03-24 05:12:21 PM  

ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.

It was rude and pointless. I have no respect for teachers who belittle their students like that. It's a power trip and doesn't deserve praise.


How does this belittle their students?

"This exercise is a bit sensitive, but really drives home the point that even though symbols are arbitrary, they take on very strong and emotional meanings," says the manual, which predicts most students will hesitate to step on the paper. The manual says the instructor should ask students why they can't step on the paper and "discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

Then the student decided to act like this to the professor:


Rotela said Poole brushed him off when he tried to object to doing the exercise.

After the class, Rotela said, he expressed his concerns to Poole and said he would tell Poole's supervisor and the media about the incident. He said Poole told him to leave the classroom.


Sorry, the student decided to act like a douche and as a result, I have zero sympathy for him.
 
2013-03-24 05:14:37 PM  

Epicedion: ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.

It was rude and pointless. I have no respect for teachers who belittle their students like that. It's a power trip and doesn't deserve praise.

Correct. We should only teach grown-ass adult college students things they already believe so that those special little grown-ass adult snowflakes don't ever have their sensibilities challenged.


I had professors challenge my beliefs in many areas without ever making me feel threatened or embarrassed. They nurtured me and my peers and pushed us to question the tenets we came to school with. They helped us grow without knocking us down. Maybe I just got lucky.
 
2013-03-24 05:15:18 PM  

ginandbacon: The number 7 and the letter Q!: Nothing. Nothing at all.

Just in case you get a different answer, there's the right one.

Thank you.


Thank you for being the kind of person I can respect in a discussion. I'm Christian but I don't think Atheists (not sure if that should be capitalized, but trying to be respectful) have no morals. Heck, I love science (as much of it as I understand, and love reading about the parts I don't) and it hasn't made my God one bit smaller.

We can be different and still work toward decency for everyone.
 
2013-03-24 05:16:01 PM  

ginandbacon: Epicedion: ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.

It was rude and pointless. I have no respect for teachers who belittle their students like that. It's a power trip and doesn't deserve praise.

Correct. We should only teach grown-ass adult college students things they already believe so that those special little grown-ass adult snowflakes don't ever have their sensibilities challenged.

I had professors challenge my beliefs in many areas without ever making me feel threatened or embarrassed. They nurtured me and my peers and pushed us to question the tenets we came to school with. They helped us grow without knocking us down. Maybe I just got lucky.


So this would make you feel threatened or embarrassed? Step to the back of the special grown-ass adult snowflake line please.
 
2013-03-24 05:19:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: How does this belittle their students?


Can you not see how asking a student to write out the name of the religious symbol they identify as a personal savior and then telling them to defile that might be a bit demeaning?

It's just crass and really unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to introduce students to the idea that religious symbolism can be a tad overwrought. I would be really upset if one of my Christian friends was exposed to this in a classroom. 

It's not helpful.
 
2013-03-24 05:20:04 PM  
My question for this whole thread is wtf is anybody responding to skinnyhead?

/Right TF
 
2013-03-24 05:22:15 PM  

cybrwzrd: People are much easier to control when they do not think about things critically before demanding things of them. That is what religion does - blind faith of the masses allows those in power to do whatever they want.

A society built around the ideas of critical thought, reason and the golden rule of do whatever the hell you want as long as it does not harm another person is something we should strive for, not fear.



The golden rule is a part of every religion I can think of. People will still do horrific things to one another for any reason the first chance they get. Most religions also promote critical thinking and reason and in fact are the source of tools like logic itself, if you practice them properly and are actively participating in the philosophical side of the faith.

Where you're confused is you think religion makes the people in the Bible Belt the way they are. It doesn't. People are just like that, and Christianity happens to be what's landed on them. Take that away, it will be something else. Look at North Korea. It's all secular and all about the party and a lot worse than even crazy Muslim countries like Pakistan where speaking against Islam can get you hanged.

If you learn about people your cynicism goes to 11 and your hope of an easy answer, like the childish belief religion is actually the root of religious strife, fades. But there is hope. It's called acceptance and living a good life. If you just do what you can to make your life good without hurting others, and encourage others to do the same, things seem to work out alright most of the time.
 
2013-03-24 05:22:34 PM  

ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It really is amazing how many people in this thread either mistakenly or deliberately misinterpret what the professor did and see it as some kind of liberal atheist assault on Christians.

It was rude and pointless. I have no respect for teachers who belittle their students like that. It's a power trip and doesn't deserve praise.


How was it rude and pointless and a power trip? It was a discussion about symbols and how we react to them. If you honestly think it was anything else, especially some kind of evil vicious attack, then you're the one with the problem, just like the kid.
 
2013-03-24 05:24:02 PM  

Epicedion: So this would make you feel threatened or embarrassed? Step to the back of the special grown-ass adult snowflake line please.


It would threaten me because I would view it as an abuse of power. It would embarrass me because I would hate to see a teacher lower themselves so much. 

Were I a Christian student, I would feel personally attacked and shamed in front of my peers. 

None of that is an example of what I would consider exemplary teaching.
 
2013-03-24 05:25:47 PM  

The number 7 and the letter Q!: ginandbacon: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

Just in case you get a different answer, there's the right one.


/Well, so was Mickey Mouse, and i can see him, but you don't see me treating him as a godhead and bowing and scraping to him.
 
2013-03-24 05:28:13 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: It was a discussion about symbols


That oddly only focused on one symbol.
 
2013-03-24 05:28:24 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: How was it rude and pointless and a power trip? It was a discussion about symbols and how we react to them.


In this case, it wasn't "religious symbols", it was the name of one, in particular, that any professor worth a damn would know is a hot button for MANY people in this country. He can claim a general reason all he wants, but he chose a specific name. Why wasn't the exercise to write the name of the thing most important to each individual student and have them step on it?

A: Because THIS exercise was a specific question about christian symbols.
 
2013-03-24 05:29:17 PM  

ginandbacon: Mrtraveler01: How does this belittle their students?

Can you not see how asking a student to write out the name of the religious symbol they identify as a personal savior and then telling them to defile that might be a bit demeaning?

It's just crass and really unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to introduce students to the idea that religious symbolism can be a tad overwrought. I would be really upset if one of my Christian friends was exposed to this in a classroom. 

It's not helpful.


HE DIDN'T TELL THEM TO DEFILE IT AND ONLY DEFILE IT, DIPshiat. HE WASN'T MAD ABOUT THE STUDENTS WHO DIDN'T STEP ON IT. IT WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE POWER SYMBOLS HAVE IN OUR CULTURE. THE STUDENT'S NOT STEPPING ON IT IS NOT THE FARKING PROBLEM, IT WAS THE STUDENT'S OVERBLOWN AND ATTENTION-WHORING REACTION.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS NOW, OR DO I HAVE TO BREAK OUT THE PUPPETS?
 
2013-03-24 05:29:39 PM  

8Fingers: FloydA: 8Fingers: So none were forced to do it. They were asked if they wanted to participate. And if you choose no, no big deal.
But this one whiney snot-nosed baby, momma bussomed coddled, always needing someone to protect him from bad people and no doubt a liberal.
Decides to get all AW about it and an entire university has to get down on its knees and say were sorry?
What a bunch of BS!

LOLWUT?

Oh common, the course and instructor were probaby known to be edgy, sometimes out of the norm and could be a bit contraversial. And being the liberal, he most likely only took the course and sat there waiting for his rights to be offended so that he could make a big stink and get the 'Oh My Gooosssh', look at what they've done to me!!!!' Attention that he went looking for.



You're using the word "liberal" in a very non-standard way here.  The Mormon church are hardly known for "liberalism," and the type of person who goes to Fox News because he thinks a professor has insulted his religion is extremely unlikely to self-identify as "liberal."

Did you mean some other word?
 
2013-03-24 05:31:20 PM  

Infernalist: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

The two are not exclusive.


/Sure they are.  I don't believe that you can make a statement that you are 1. Atheist and 2. that jesus was a great man. Even saying that, you had pronounced your belief that he was the son of God, or even existed at all, as the bible tells us.  I don't believe that you can say there isn't a God, therefore, no (son of God) or Jesus if you will, then say that Jesus was a great man.  One or the other dude. Pick a side.
 
2013-03-24 05:32:02 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The number 7 and the letter Q!: ginandbacon: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

Just in case you get a different answer, there's the right one.

/Well, so was Mickey Mouse, and i can see him, but you don't see me treating him as a godhead and bowing and scraping to him.


I don't know, Mickey always struck me as kind of a jerk. Leading Minnie on all those years with nary a proposal (or a hint of mousey action).

I guess everyone's religion is different. I was raised to evaluate everything, including my holy book. I can follow Jesus without scraping, I believe.
 
2013-03-24 05:32:03 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS NOW, OR DO I HAVE TO BREAK OUT THE PUPPETS?


Can you write it out very big in crayons for me?
 
2013-03-24 05:33:25 PM  

ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It was a discussion about symbols

That oddly only focused on one symbol.


s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: How was it rude and pointless and a power trip? It was a discussion about symbols and how we react to them.

In this case, it wasn't "religious symbols", it was the name of one, in particular, that any professor worth a damn would know is a hot button for MANY people in this country. He can claim a general reason all he wants, but he chose a specific name. Why wasn't the exercise to write the name of the thing most important to each individual student and have them step on it?

A: Because THIS exercise was a specific question about christian symbols.


Gee, maybe that's why he picked it, because Christianity is such a big deal in America. Would you guys have been this angry and hateful and whiny if he had used Jews, or Muslims, or Buddhists, or the Dali Llama, or the San Francisco 49ers, or Nintendo, or America's Next Top Model? And he wasn't doing it to make some kind of atheist statement, or to ridicule Christianity, or anything your conspiracy theorist retard minds might think of.

It's like you people are going out of your way to see is as only some kind of anti-Christian liberal atheist attack.
 
2013-03-24 05:35:08 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: or even existed at all


There is quite a bit of evidence that Jesus existed. You seem ignorant.
 
2013-03-24 05:36:37 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The number 7 and the letter Q!: ginandbacon: Bit'O'Gristle: TerminalEchoes: ginandbacon: I think I could see how being asked to write the name of your divine spirit on a piece of paper and then being required to step on it might be offensive. I'm not sure who designed this particular exercise, but it kind of sucks ass. There are much better ways IMHO to teach how hypocritical and ridiculous many religious teachings are without doing dishonor to the essential message behind them which is essentially love and tolerance. Jesus was a great man in many respects and even as an atheist, I'm not sure I would want to write out his name and then stomp on it.

/You do realize, you just said you're an atheist, and that jesus was a great man in the same sentence dont you?
//bangs head on desk.

What part of believing that Jesus was a great man is irreconcilable with being an atheist?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

Just in case you get a different answer, there's the right one.

/Well, so was Mickey Mouse, and i can see him, but you don't see me treating him as a godhead and bowing and scraping to him.



There is a substantive difference between thinking "he's a good guy" and "bowing and scraping" or "treating him as a godhead."  I think Sir Arthur Guinness, Alan Turing, and Sir Thomas Crapper were great men, because each of them invented something that makes my life better, but I don't worship any of them.

Some of the things that Jesus is purported to have said are actually pretty good ideas (some of the Beatitudes, for instance).  Religion as a social institution doesn't appeal to me at all, and I have no belief in anything supernatural whatsoever, but that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not Jesus was a good guy.   It's not really fair to hold Jesus accountable for the behavior of his fan club.
 
2013-03-24 05:37:03 PM  

s2s2s2: Why wasn't the exercise to write the name of the thing most important to each individual student and have them step on it?


Because those would unlikely be symbols prevalent in our society. And the professor DIDN'T FARKING SAY "YOU MUST STEP ON IT OR I'LL FAIL YOU!". This right here seems to be the major point of contention that you have a problem understanding.
 
2013-03-24 05:37:21 PM  

ginandbacon: Epicedion: So this would make you feel threatened or embarrassed? Step to the back of the special grown-ass adult snowflake line please.

It would threaten me because I would view it as an abuse of power. It would embarrass me because I would hate to see a teacher lower themselves so much. 

Were I a Christian student, I would feel personally attacked and shamed in front of my peers. 

None of that is an example of what I would consider exemplary teaching.


The student wasn't required to do anything, and was in fact expected to refuse. An abuse of power would be to require it and grade someone poorly or reject them from the class for refusing, and this was in fact the opposite of that. That the student overreacted to a perceived slight without seeing the activity through (and that you would apparently do the same) only reflects poorly on the student (and you, even more so since you already know the trick to the activity). To paraphrase, the point of the activity is to show that people invest heavily in arbitrary symbols like names, and nothing teaches better than personal experience. Even bettef, the teacher wasn't even the originator of the assignment, as he got it from some textbook teaching manual.

In other news, higher education isn't for everyone.
 
2013-03-24 05:37:34 PM  
What bible verse forbids this?
 
2013-03-24 05:39:27 PM  

ginandbacon: Keizer_Ghidorah: It was a discussion about symbols

That oddly only focused on one symbol.



That was a pedagogical necessity.  The lesson (whatever its merits or lack thereof) would not have worked if each student had to respond to a different symbol.
 
2013-03-24 05:39:47 PM  

The number 7 and the letter Q!: We can be different and still work toward decency for everyone.


Amen and Amin.
 
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