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(Townhall)   Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs. Student complains the college. College does A) apologize, B) Bring the Professor before a committee, or C) Suspend the student and go into denial mode   (townhall.com) divider line 478
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2013-03-24 02:04:14 PM

FloydA: Igor Jakovsky: If the professor had stones he would have had the students draw Mohammed after the stomp on Jesus exercise.

So you didn't understand the point of the exercise either?


The point of the exercise was to evoke a discussion about culture and symbolism. A picture of Mohammed certainly fits. How does this exercise work with non-christians though? the professor should have had the students write any word that held meaning to them and step on that.
 
2013-03-24 02:04:30 PM

Weaver95: skullkrusher: Weaver95: skullkrusher: the lesson was ill-advised. Could have achieved the same lesson with having each student write his or her mother's name and discuss why they were hesitant to stomp on a paper with words on it to explore the importance of symbols.

I disagree - his mother isn't a cultural icon.  this class was about the importance of symbols in a given culture.

unless you're reading a different article, the "cultural icon" bit isn't anywhere to be seen.
The importance of symbols. A name is a symbol. That's why they used one people would be hesitant to step on.

*sigh*

if that's what you want to believe then have at it.


yeah, I'll go with what's in the article and not something you made up.
 
2013-03-24 02:04:37 PM
For those who are damning the student, try this thought exercise: what if the teacher made his students affix Romney bumper stickers to their cars?

/The teacher is a douche.
 
2013-03-24 02:04:37 PM
Aren't colleges supposed to be a place of learning?  Crushing the fairy tales, dogma, and other nonsense of religion should be part of their mandate.
 
2013-03-24 02:06:26 PM

Russ1642: hawcian: Russ1642: The exercise seems fine to me. Stomp or don't stomp it's just a prop to get the discussion going. Now the university contradicts the student's claim that he was suspended. I'm thinking that Jesus boy was lying about that one. Universities don't suspend students for piddly little things like not participating or making a valid complaint.

From the link Happy Hour posted, it seems like the student told the professor he was going to the supervisor and the media and telling them that his (the students) religious freedom was being violated. This is pretty much a veiled threat, anyway (you don't go to the media over something like this unless you're trying to blow it out of proportion). And I'm guessing the kid wasn't exactly being polite at that point, either. The professor feels threatened, tells the kid to leave, kid complains, FAU finds that he threatened a professor and tells him to leave the class and the professor alone until further investigation. Thus, "suspension" from that class.

Now that I can see. He was kicked out of the class for being a complete asshole. Religious people are so used to people being so careful about never offending them that even a discussion on why something is offensive can set them off. His religious faith must be really fragile.


In coming to terms with my own lack of faith, I left a lot of other people's faith shaken.  That included 3 Lutheran pastors (one from the seminary), 2 Methodist ministers, 1 Catholic priest, several youth leaders, and countless others.  It wasn't like I was keeping score at the time, but in reflection it was a lot.  I wanted to believe.  I specifically looked to those who were the smartest within my church to find out why they believed.  In ending one conversation, they'd often point me to a significant person who inspired them to believe.  This eventually lead me to the seminary.  What I found there was that those most in touch with studying and teaching the faith had massive doubts with well-constructed rationalizations for not thinking about those doubts.  It's wishful thinking in a world filled with contrary evidence.  It usually came down to "but people need something to believe in to get by," but in reality they were all too deep into the organization to break free and do the right thing.
 
2013-03-24 02:06:27 PM
Pop quiz: explain the difference between "step" (as used in the lesson description) and "stomp" (as used in the Townhall article).
 
2013-03-24 02:07:51 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Dracolich: Symbols control you that much, eh?

I didn't give any indication of what i think. But you just indicated that you're very much controlled by what you want to believe about people, as opposed to what the facts dictate.


Trolls shouldn't get defensive.  It's unprofessional.
 
2013-03-24 02:07:54 PM

eraser8: Is there a reason our society treats religious ideas so much more gingerly than other kinds of ideas?

This isn't a troll. I'm seriously asking.


Religion gives the self hope that it will not be extinguished when the body dies.  Nothing is more important to the self than its survival.  Impugn religion and you are attacking the self's survival.
 
2013-03-24 02:09:16 PM

cybrwzrd: But then again, I am of the belief that ~95% of the worlds problems would go away if religion ceased to exist tomorrow.


Which is not remotely accurate, and a gross oversimplification.

Religion is just a good method to control the public, and get them to support wars and things. Those using religion for various agendas don't genuinely believe it themselves. If it were gone, they'd just have to use other methods to manipulate the public, which already work like a charm on most atheists.

/this war is about freedom and liberty
 
2013-03-24 02:10:26 PM
It would seem what the real lesson is what happens when a douche-bag trifecta is in play. A douche-bag prof. having a lesson that could lead to someone stomping on a name of a profit of one of the current main-stream religion. A douche-bag student having a problem about the lesson because someone dares have different views then his. And thirdly douche-bag right-wing news outlets (FoxNews, Townhall) mixing up the facts proclaiming the kids where forced to participate when in fact, they weren't.
 
2013-03-24 02:11:04 PM

Wolfmanjames: For those who are damning the student, try this thought exercise: what if the teacher made his students affix Romney bumper stickers to their cars?

/The teacher is a douche.


For those who can't be bothered to read the article, or even really much of the thread, try this thought exercise: what if the teacher didn't make anyone do anything whatsoever?
 
2013-03-24 02:11:09 PM

ginandbacon: FloydA: Henceforth farkied as such.

You should reconsider that.


The guy went out of his way to insult me, when I was being reasonable.  He claimed that I oppose voluntary prayer in school, which is simply a lie  (as contrasted with mandatory prayer, which I do oppose) .  He implied that atheists are hypocrites who would not step on the word "atheist," which is just idiotic.  And he implied that I was the ethical equivalent of the WBC, which is just unabashed, and unforgivable dickishness.

ISTM that the only reason he said anything polite about you was as a backhanded way of saying something nasty about me.  That was particularly annoying in light of the fact that I have made every effort to be reasonable in this thread, and have not, to my knowledge, said anything caustic or inflammatory at all.
 
2013-03-24 02:12:02 PM
If you really want to get outraged by something FAU is doing, consider that the main sponsor of their new football stadium is the GEO Group. They run privatized prisons.
 
2013-03-24 02:12:37 PM

GAT_00: St_Francis_P: Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?

Probably just the opposite. The Bible warns about idolatry and the worship of graven images. He should have stomped that piece of paper good to prove his faith.

I've always liked that Christians pray every week to a God who condemned them for false idols while being surrounded by false idols.


Being surrounded by them is one thing, worshiping them is another.  Most Christians do not worship false idols. The only ones I know of that actually DO are Catholics.  Of course i've seen unsaved Catholics before so being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean they are Christian.
 
2013-03-24 02:13:32 PM
This reminds me of the story where a professor was trying to get a classroom full of students at one of the big Texas schools to think about why voting is important.  So he started posing questions about why vote if your vote hasn't ever made a difference.  Has any election you've ever participated in ever been decided by a single vote where your participation or decision made any impact?  Rather than taking the lesson and thinking about the symbolic and other purposes of voting, one student stormed out and called a conservative talk show to complain that liberals were trying to convince them not to vote.

I have no problem with this lesson, whether it was Jesus, another prophet, the American flag (or another flag) or a picture of the POTUS... or any past president, that the students were asked to in some way disrespect.  Learning facts and tables is useless and will be forgotten.  Learning different ways to think about or consider a problem or situation is a life-long skill.  Developing that can be uncomfortable.
 
2013-03-24 02:13:53 PM
Would they act the same way if they swapped the word to be Mohammad?
 
2013-03-24 02:14:12 PM

LtDarkstar: GAT_00: St_Francis_P: Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?

Probably just the opposite. The Bible warns about idolatry and the worship of graven images. He should have stomped that piece of paper good to prove his faith.

I've always liked that Christians pray every week to a God who condemned them for false idols while being surrounded by false idols.

Being surrounded by them is one thing, worshiping them is another.  Most Christians do not worship false idols. The only ones I know of that actually DO are Catholics.  Of course i've seen unsaved Catholics before so being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean they are Christian.


hahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2013-03-24 02:14:19 PM

Dracolich: Trolls shouldn't get defensive. It's unprofessional.


Your grip on reality seems even more tenuous now.

/backs away slowly
 
2013-03-24 02:14:48 PM

FloydA: Think about it, for a minute.  If the paper had "Hitler" written on it, nobody would hesitate to wipe their feet on it, because we are pretty much in agreement that Hitler was a horrible person and earned our disrespect.  If the paper had the word "doormat" written on it, nobody would hesitate to step on it.  The lesson involves understanding what makes symbols important to our behavior, and names are a type of symbol.


What would have made it even more interesting, as an experiment if nothing else, would have been if the instructor had written the word "Mohammed" on one side and "Jesus" on the other. Place them "Mohammed" side up before letting the little darlings in and then let the stomping commence. Then have the students flip the paper over and ask those who are offended by realizing they had also stomped Jesus why it is OK peachy fine great fun to stomp Mohammed, but not Jesus, as Mohammed is just as important a name/symbol to somewheres about a billion people as Jesus is to them and about another billion people.

I honestly do not think that would really make too many of them think too terribly hard or stop any impending whining, but as an admirer of the oft-maligned Sly One, it would amuse me greatly.
 
2013-03-24 02:15:05 PM
Happy Hours: Which was what exactly?

The article fails to mention that and in the interest of getting a more objective view I've read a CBS article about this which also failed to explain what lesson it was trying to teach.

What was the lesson?

Is it that students will stomp on the name of a religious figure they believe in if an authority figure tells them to?

Is it that Jesus represents a religion that has had many things done in its name that were unjust?

Is it something completely different?

Do you even know what lesson was trying to be taught?
I don't know how to read!!!

FTFA:  Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.
 
2013-03-24 02:15:28 PM

mekki: eraser8: Is there a reason our society treats religious ideas so much more gingerly than other kinds of ideas?

This isn't a troll. I'm seriously asking.

It's not just religious ideas and only religious ideas that are treated more gingerly than other kinds of ideas.


A picture of a fetus would have been better than any religious symbol.  Even atheists attach symbolism to such things.
 
2013-03-24 02:15:39 PM

Wolfmanjames: For those who are damning the student, try this thought exercise: what if the teacher made his students affix Romney bumper stickers to their cars?


Rather harder to get off the car, afterward. A car magnet wouldn't be so physically permanent.
 
2013-03-24 02:16:40 PM

FloydA: ginandbacon: FloydA: Henceforth farkied as such.

You should reconsider that.

The guy went out of his way to insult me, when I was being reasonable.  He claimed that I oppose voluntary prayer in school, which is simply a lie  (as contrasted with mandatory prayer, which I do oppose) .  He implied that atheists are hypocrites who would not step on the word "atheist," which is just idiotic.  And he implied that I was the ethical equivalent of the WBC, which is just unabashed, and unforgivable dickishness.

ISTM that the only reason he said anything polite about you was as a backhanded way of saying something nasty about me.  That was particularly annoying in light of the fact that I have made every effort to be reasonable in this thread, and have not, to my knowledge, said anything caustic or inflammatory at all.


Herein is your problem. Fark is not the place for that kind of outrage. You deserved every one of his cutting words. I hope he wounded you. Deeply.

= P
 
2013-03-24 02:17:45 PM

TheDumbBlonde: The real outrage is that someone is paying per credit hour for the bullshiat.


'Bullshiat', of course, is the word most of us would use to define a really important lesson on culture and symbols, a lesson I actually would love to see happen in my Anthro class (I seem to be the only one who really grasps that American culture is just that,  a culture, not The Way The World Works(tm), and I'm willing to bet that's just my Assburger's working).

/Seriously, I really hate it when people go whine about 'bullshiat' that actually serves a purpose. Yes, your boss is having you do those trust exercises for a reason. No, you are not a special snowflake that can get out of it by trying to look cool and edgy and pretending it's not 'real' enough for you.
 
2013-03-24 02:17:52 PM

Karac: Happy Hours: After the class, Rotela said, he expressed his concerns to Poole and said he would tell Poole's supervisor and the media about the incident. He said Poole told him to leave the classroom.

So after class let out, the professor kicked him out of the room?
Anyone care to bet whether the kid was standing there throwing a shiatfit and the professor just asked him to step outside so he could lock up and go home already?


"Expressed his concerns" is code for "threw a tantrum."  "Said he would tell his supervisor and the media" is a kid saying, "Imma call the news and you're gonna get fired!"

Professor's response; "go home kid, try to understand what you just proved."
 
2013-03-24 02:18:48 PM

Cornelius Dribble: Pop quiz: explain the difference between "step" (as used in the lesson description) and "stomp" (as used in the Townhall article).


Stomping is more fun.

/step is also less violent sounding to some
 
2013-03-24 02:20:19 PM

TheBigJerk: Karac: Happy Hours: After the class, Rotela said, he expressed his concerns to Poole and said he would tell Poole's supervisor and the media about the incident. He said Poole told him to leave the classroom.

So after class let out, the professor kicked him out of the room?
Anyone care to bet whether the kid was standing there throwing a shiatfit and the professor just asked him to step outside so he could lock up and go home already?

"Expressed his concerns" is code for "threw a tantrum."  "Said he would tell his supervisor and the media" is a kid saying, "Imma call the news and you're gonna get fired!"

Professor's response; "go home kid, try to understand what you just proved."


This.  If the student did return to class, it was his own choice.
 
2013-03-24 02:21:49 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Cornelius Dribble: Pop quiz: explain the difference between "step" (as used in the lesson description) and "stomp" (as used in the Townhall article).

Stomping is more fun.

/step is also less violent sounding to some

 
2013-03-24 02:22:22 PM

TheBigJerk: Professor's response; "go home kid, try to understand what you just proved."


But it's a shiatty experiment.

As i already tried to illustrate amid the rolling sea of derp here, people would not take part in such a thing if it involved anything they care about. Another example is If you put a sports team name on a piece of paper and told a fan of that team to stomp on it. They would also refuse to do so. It has nothing to do with religion.
 
2013-03-24 02:23:24 PM
I find it so damn funny that the same group of people acting like this is nothing to get worked up over turned one guy burning a Koran in to an international incident with their incessant whining and crying about it. If the students had been asked to this to a piece of paper with the name "Mohammed" on it there would be a screaming, sign waving crowd of protesters outside the school and the internet would light up with furious "Islamophobia" articles.

But hey, it's just Jesus on the paper, so get over it and the student is getting upset over nothing.
 
2013-03-24 02:23:42 PM

Igor Jakovsky: FloydA: Igor Jakovsky: If the professor had stones he would have had the students draw Mohammed after the stomp on Jesus exercise.

So you didn't understand the point of the exercise either?

The point of the exercise was to evoke a discussion about culture and symbolism. A picture of Mohammed certainly fits. How does this exercise work with non-christians though? the professor should have had the students write any word that held meaning to them and step on that.



He did.  As I mentioned in several of my posts, the symbol of Jesus has cultural significance in the US even to non-Christians.  Muslim students would refrain from stepping on Jesus' name, because Jesus is revered in Islam as one of the major prophets.  Atheists (including me) would hesitate to step on the name of Jesus because we're generally polite (or if not, we know we're outnumbered and are smart enough to avoid getting our asses kicked over some stupid assignment).

By contrast, many American Christian students would not hesitate to step on the name of Mohammed.  In fact some, raised on anti-Muslim propaganda, would take pleasure in doing so.

And the exercise would not teach the same lesson if "everyone gets to choose their own word," because it would make the issue a purely psychological one, rather than a sociological or anthropological one.  The lesson was intended to emphasize the role of symbols in society, not just in the mind of each individual.  If everyone picked their own word, the prof could not have emphasized the lesson about the widespread influence of a given symbol across a diverse array of individual differences.  Each student knows why s/he hesitated, but each student could potentially learn something from hearing why  other students hesitated.

The "pick your own favorite thing" strategy would defeat the purpose.

 (Drawing a picture of Mohammed actually would violate some students' religious beliefs, so that's a non-starter.)
 
2013-03-24 02:24:19 PM
I had several students express similar concerns when I taught evolution in freshmen biology classes. I told them they didn't have to believe it, but they had better know it since they would be tested on it.

/I actually had the occasional student dispute my assertion that dinosaurs and humans did not coexist.
 
2013-03-24 02:25:16 PM

J. Frank Parnell: TheBigJerk: Professor's response; "go home kid, try to understand what you just proved."

But it's a shiatty experiment.

As i already tried to illustrate amid the rolling sea of derp here, people would not take part in such a thing if it involved anything they care about. Another example is If you put a sports team name on a piece of paper and told a fan of that team to stomp on it. They would also refuse to do so. It has nothing to do with religion.


It's not an experiment, it's an exercise. It's not about religion, it's about symbols. I haven't seen any indication that the teacher isn't religious himself. Stupid kid with stupid problems.
 
2013-03-24 02:26:28 PM
The follow up to this story is even more upsetting:

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_6090.shtml

The attention whores have won.
 
2013-03-24 02:26:32 PM

LtDarkstar: GAT_00: St_Francis_P: Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?

Probably just the opposite. The Bible warns about idolatry and the worship of graven images. He should have stomped that piece of paper good to prove his faith.

I've always liked that Christians pray every week to a God who condemned them for false idols while being surrounded by false idols.

Being surrounded by them is one thing, worshiping them is another.  Most Christians do not worship false idols. The only ones I know of that actually DO are Catholics.  Of course i've seen unsaved Catholics before so being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean they are Christian.


Saying that you take the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior isn't going to get you into heaven either.
 
2013-03-24 02:26:59 PM
Sentence the Professor to stomp on a portait of Muhammed, cell phone video upload to YouTube and let's see how this ignorant bastid feels about the reaction ....
 
2013-03-24 02:27:23 PM
Sounds like a reasonable lesson, but would be better accomplished as a thought experiment in Florida, where Christian culture is taken pretty seriously.
 
2013-03-24 02:27:34 PM

cybrwzrd: I have no problem with what the professor asked the students to do. But then again, I am of the belief that ~95% of the worlds problems would go away if religion ceased to exist tomorrow.


You may not believe in God but you certainly believe in magic if you think that would actually happen.
 
2013-03-24 02:27:46 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Another example is If you put a sports team name on a piece of paper and told a fan of that team to stomp on it. They would also refuse to do so. It has nothing to do with religion.


Not really a good comparison; you might look up Brody's 1979 paper on "Institutionalized Sport as Quasi-Religion".

How humans do "symbolic" thinking and how they do "religious" thinking seem very closely related.
 
2013-03-24 02:28:18 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: FloydA: Think about it, for a minute.  If the paper had "Hitler" written on it, nobody would hesitate to wipe their feet on it, because we are pretty much in agreement that Hitler was a horrible person and earned our disrespect.  If the paper had the word "doormat" written on it, nobody would hesitate to step on it.  The lesson involves understanding what makes symbols important to our behavior, and names are a type of symbol.

What would have made it even more interesting, as an experiment if nothing else, would have been if the instructor had written the word "Mohammed" on one side and "Jesus" on the other. Place them "Mohammed" side up before letting the little darlings in and then let the stomping commence. Then have the students flip the paper over and ask those who are offended by realizing they had also stomped Jesus why it is OK peachy fine great fun to stomp Mohammed, but not Jesus, as Mohammed is just as important a name/symbol to somewheres about a billion people as Jesus is to them and about another billion people.

I honestly do not think that would really make too many of them think too terribly hard or stop any impending whining, but as an admirer of the oft-maligned Sly One, it would amuse me greatly.



That would certainly teach an interesting lesson, but not the same lesson that this exercise was meant to teach.
 
2013-03-24 02:28:46 PM

PsiChick: TheDumbBlonde: The real outrage is that someone is paying per credit hour for the bullshiat.

'Bullshiat', of course, is the word most of us would use to define a really important lesson on culture and symbols, a lesson I actually would love to see happen in my Anthro class (I seem to be the only one who really grasps that American culture is just that,  a culture, not The Way The World Works(tm), and I'm willing to bet that's just my Assburger's working).

/Seriously, I really hate it when people go whine about 'bullshiat' that actually serves a purpose. Yes, your boss is having you do those trust exercises for a reason. No, you are not a special snowflake that can get out of it by trying to look cool and edgy and pretending it's not 'real' enough for you.


I wonder if he could have done it with the word, "America".

Actually that, too, is an interesting aspect of this.  I stop to think about what symbols wouldn't cause shiat like Townhall throwing a tantrum, because I consider the hurty widdle fee-fees of people who aren't even taking the damn class.
 
2013-03-24 02:30:07 PM
"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."


/Really? Not that i am a bible thumping screamer, but one has to wonder if they had done this with a picture of Allah, if the zealots in the Islamic quarter wouldn't have burned the university down and sawed off everyone's heads. Just saying.
 
2013-03-24 02:31:02 PM

Igor Jakovsky: LtDarkstar: GAT_00: St_Francis_P: Dinki: Professor forces a student to violate his religious beliefs.

Does Mormonism have a tenet that you can't step on the name of Jesus?

Probably just the opposite. The Bible warns about idolatry and the worship of graven images. He should have stomped that piece of paper good to prove his faith.

I've always liked that Christians pray every week to a God who condemned them for false idols while being surrounded by false idols.

Being surrounded by them is one thing, worshiping them is another.  Most Christians do not worship false idols. The only ones I know of that actually DO are Catholics.  Of course i've seen unsaved Catholics before so being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean they are Christian.

Saying that you take the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior isn't going to get you into heaven either.


Obviously you haven't read the Bible have you?
 
2013-03-24 02:31:16 PM

FloydA: "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

Sounds like the students were not "forced" to step on the paper at all.  The point of the exercise was to get the students to think about  why they didn't want to step on the paper.  Sounds like a potentially interesting exercise, but conducted in a ham-handed way.


The only thing ham-handed here is the mental gymnastics you must go through to take issue with anything the Prof. did.
 
2013-03-24 02:31:17 PM

Weaver95: SkinnyHead: The exercise is pointless for those students who have no reverence for Jesus.  Those students should be forced to say a prayer to Jesus instead.  Then they could benefit from the exercise too.

oddly enough, I'm ok with that.  it would be in line with the lesson the professor was trying to teach.


Well, I'm not sure that everyone would be okay with it.  If a public university professor were to lead the class in Christian prayer, as an exercise to show secularists that they shouldn't be so sensitive about having to recite mere words, the ACLU would be filing lawsuits claiming that the prayer was unconstitutional.

This is the same thing in reverse.  If it unconstitutional to have prayers in the classroom of a public institution, isn't it equally unconstitutional to lead students in an exercise that displays hostility toward religious beliefs?
 
2013-03-24 02:31:43 PM

FloydA: ginandbacon: FloydA: Henceforth farkied as such.

You should reconsider that.

The guy went out of his way to insult me, when I was being reasonable.  He claimed that I oppose voluntary prayer in school, which is simply a lie  (as contrasted with mandatory prayer, which I do oppose) .  He implied that atheists are hypocrites who would not step on the word "atheist," which is just idiotic.  And he implied that I was the ethical equivalent of the WBC, which is just unabashed, and unforgivable dickishness.

ISTM that the only reason he said anything polite about you was as a backhanded way of saying something nasty about me.  That was particularly annoying in light of the fact that I have made every effort to be reasonable in this thread, and have not, to my knowledge, said anything caustic or inflammatory at all.


I missed that. I'm sorry.
 
2013-03-24 02:31:59 PM
What the instructor should have done is steal a bunch of communion wafers and have them stomp on those.

/'Cause then you'd actually be stomping on the body of Jesus.
//Stupid professor. You're teaching at college level; construction paper and crayons are SO high school, get a clue.
 
2013-03-24 02:32:26 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: "Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."


/Really? Not that i am a bible thumping screamer, but one has to wonder if they had done this with a picture of Allah, if the zealots in the Islamic quarter wouldn't have burned the university down and sawed off everyone's heads. Just saying.


I would've thought the outrage would've been stupid regardless of it was Jesus or Mohammed, it is a valid  lesson.

If people are too stupid to understand the lesson like the Mormon attention whore who had to get a local TV station involved in this, then that's their problem I suppose.
 
2013-03-24 02:33:15 PM

Epicedion: t's not an experiment, it's an exercise. It's not about religion, it's about symbols.


I was just responding to the people here trying to make this about religion. I understand the objective of his experiment, but if he had used something other than a religious figure it would have been more clear, and less subject to the atheist/religious tug of war both sides are so eager to take part in.

I refuse to believe he is so ignorant as to not understand why using a religious figure would be more provocative than anything else, and take attention away from the real point of the lesson.
 
2013-03-24 02:34:59 PM
ginandbacon:

I missed that. I'm sorry.

You never need to apologize to me. :-)   I was just pointing out my perspective.
 
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