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2013-03-24 09:12:52 AM  
Aren't those Senators, who voted "yes", impeachable under U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5: "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state" ???

A good reason to shuffle things up in that toilet bowl of turds.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 09:26:02 AM  
acanuck

Supreme Court precedent allows taxation on purchases from out of state and strongly implies that Congress can force companies to collect tax due in the destination state.
 
2013-03-24 11:09:37 AM  

ZAZ: acanuck

Supreme Court precedent allows taxation on purchases from out of state and strongly implies that Congress can force companies to collect tax due in the destination state.


Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time
 
2013-03-24 11:27:53 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time


Like it has a chance in the House. I'm sure Grover & co. will throw a tantrum and start threatening primaries if this ever comes close to passing
 
2013-03-24 11:29:02 AM  
If the Federal Government is going to allow it, the Federal Government should set up some "exchange" that makes it easy for small sellers to comply. Example: a single account at NationalSalesTaxExchange.gov allows you to pay sales taxes to any state, rather than having to figure out how the hell to sign up for and comply with sales tax rules in farking Alaska.

Otherwise they're going to create an assload of compliance burden.
 
2013-03-24 11:32:17 AM  
Hero Tag.
It is stupid that internet purchases are exempt from taxes.
It is about time that this loophole is closed. 
Good to see that there is bipartisan support for this.
 
2013-03-24 11:39:03 AM  
correct:  meant to say exempt from collecting those taxes.
Many states have use taxes that people are supposed to pay on internet purchases.
 
2013-03-24 12:13:46 PM  
Brought and payed for by BestBuy and Walmart.
 
2013-03-24 12:19:24 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Brought and payed for by BestBuy and Walmart.


The tax exemption was put in place to help grow an industry. Check that one off the list. But if they just suddenly saddle 100,000s of small businesses with untenable logistical burden they may as well just erase the check mark. Help them or don't farking do it.
 
2013-03-24 12:37:11 PM  

sammyk: Lionel Mandrake: Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time

Like it has a chance in the House. I'm sure Grover& co. will throw a tantrum and start threatening primaries if this ever comes close to passing


Well, maybe that fuzzy tub of goo will prove useful for once.
 
2013-03-24 12:56:46 PM  
In other news, the American people show some support for shoving all of Congress in a small rocket and shooting it into the sun.
 
2013-03-24 01:05:22 PM  

angrymacface: In other news, the American people show some support for shoving all of Congress in a small rocket and shooting it into the sun.




Is there a kickstarter for this?

/Because I'm soooo in.
 
2013-03-24 01:06:04 PM  

ZAZ: acanuck

Supreme Court precedent allows taxation on purchases from out of state and strongly implies that Congress can force companies to collect tax due in the destination state.


Serious question, how did their rationale get around U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5?
 
2013-03-24 01:09:50 PM  
Sadly, when they finally get around to doing so universally, internet companies won't be able to get around it by incorporating in a non-sales-tax state. Otherwise, Oregon could become the internet business equivalent of Delaware.
 
2013-03-24 01:11:29 PM  

flucto: If the Federal Government is going to allow it, the Federal Government should set up some "exchange" that makes it easy for small sellers to comply.


a bunch of THIS within a 30 minute drive of my house i can be is one of several taxing districts. all with different state and/or county/parish tax rates. oh and on different items i.e. food is tax exempt, well unless ... you get the picture. some of the smaller vendors i've bought from online couldn't possible do business and make a profit if they had to maintain an ever changing database of every tax in every district in the US.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 01:11:54 PM  
downstairs

Use tax on its own might be unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has approved a use tax that combines with a sales tax to treat in state and out of state purchases the same.

The Supreme Court said states can't force foreign corporations (with no presence) to collect taxes for them. The court said it was making that decision following its precedent and Congress could change the rules.
 
2013-03-24 01:13:40 PM  

acanuck: Aren't those Senators, who voted "yes", impeachable under U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5: "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state" ???

A good reason to shuffle things up in that toilet bowl of turds.


There's a difference between a duty and a sales/use tax.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 01:15:50 PM  
There are many ways a tax collection law could be written to save small businesses.

Some proposals do not apply to small business. If you ship so many millions of dollars per year you have to collect tax.

Some proposals only apply if the taxing state has a sufficiently simple tax code, e.g. 7% on all clothing instead of different rates for shoes and pants and different rates for cheap and expensive clothes and different rates in different counties.
 
2013-03-24 01:22:19 PM  
Sales taxes are regressive.  Maybe they can raise income taxes and capital gains taxes instead.  That'll more than make up for the difference in revenue.  Besides, how much lost revenue are we talking about?
 
2013-03-24 01:22:35 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Hero Tag.
It is stupid that internet purchases are exempt from taxes.
It is about time that this loophole is closed. 
Good to see that there is bipartisan support for this.


Free trade brother, free trade. Ta income, not the maket.
 
2013-03-24 01:30:03 PM  
I'm fine with paying sales taxes on stuff I buy online as long as the money goes back to the state. Amazon is starting to do it, and I assume Etsy and Steam will continue the trend eventually. But, I'm biased because Indiana is simple enough to figure out.

7% on all nonfood.
7% on all food prepared "hot" or "ready to eat" (McDonalds and the make your own lunches at the deli counter of the local grocery)
0% on all food not listed above
 
2013-03-24 01:35:41 PM  

acanuck: Aren't those Senators, who voted "yes", impeachable under U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5: "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state" ???

A good reason to shuffle things up in that toilet bowl of turds.


Besides, you lefties love taxes. You can't biatch now that finally one has hit home.
 
2013-03-24 01:43:13 PM  
So what happens when the sending state and receiving state both want to tax the product?  Do they split the tax or tax it twice?
 
2013-03-24 01:43:36 PM  

Nemo's Brother: acanuck: Aren't those Senators, who voted "yes", impeachable under U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5: "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state" ???

A good reason to shuffle things up in that toilet bowl of turds.

Besides, you lefties love taxes. You can't biatch now that finally one has hit home.


The leftarded tipping point will be found.
 
2013-03-24 01:46:14 PM  
While I may not voluntarily pay sales taxes on internet purchases, as I am supposed to do, i don't oppose it.  Not collecting the taxes really is unfair to brick-and-mortar stores which are often small businesses.  And I predict that ultimately taxing internet sales will not have much if any adverse affect on those sales.
 
2013-03-24 01:46:45 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Hero Tag.
It is stupid that internet purchases are exempt from taxes.
It is about time that this loophole is closed. 
Good to see that there is bipartisan support for this.


A conservative in favor of taxes

Why do you hate capitalism
 
2013-03-24 01:47:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: sammyk: Lionel Mandrake: Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time

Like it has a chance in the House. I'm sure Grover& co. will throw a tantrum and start threatening primaries if this ever comes close to passing

Well, maybe that fuzzy tub of goo will prove useful for once.


You guys are dreaming.  It's a sales tax, AKA a tax that hits the poor more than the rich, AKA the kind that anti-tax "fiscal conservatives" like and propose all the time.
 
m00
2013-03-24 01:48:06 PM  
So does this mean if I sell a couch on ebay, I have to collect and pay sales tax? fark that.
 
2013-03-24 01:50:05 PM  

downstairs: ZAZ: acanuck

Supreme Court precedent allows taxation on purchases from out of state and strongly implies that Congress can force companies to collect tax due in the destination state.

Serious question, how did their rationale get around U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5?


I assume it has to do with the fact that Congress isn't actually imposing the taxes. The states set the taxes and Congress is just setting the rules the states have to play by.
 
2013-03-24 01:50:10 PM  
I suggest we implement a law that states that anyone who votes to raise taxes has to pay them in perpetuity whether the increase becomes law or not.

Make them put their own money where their mouths are and this nonsense will stop. We are taxed enough already, it's time for the government to tighten their belts and stop spending trillions of dollars a year on shrimp treadmills and other dumb crap.
 
2013-03-24 01:50:39 PM  

runwiz: While I may not voluntarily pay sales taxes on internet purchases, as I am supposed to do, i don't oppose it.  Not collecting the taxes really is unfair to brick-and-mortar stores which are often small businesses.  And I predict that ultimately taxing internet sales will not have much if any adverse affect on those sales.


The government should not be protecting any business from competition.
 
2013-03-24 01:50:52 PM  
I was patiently waiting for some intelligent discourse on Supreme Court precedent and U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5, but now the deluge of trolls has entered the thread.

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2013-03-24 01:53:42 PM  

Mister Peejay: acanuck: Aren't those Senators, who voted "yes", impeachable under U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5: "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state" ???

A good reason to shuffle things up in that toilet bowl of turds.

There's a difference between a duty and a sales/use tax.


Not in this case. A duty is just a tax on goods that have crossed a border. These "sales taxes" are duties.
 
2013-03-24 01:57:14 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Hero Tag.
It is stupid that internet purchases are exempt from taxes.
It is about time that this loophole is closed. 
Good to see that there is bipartisan support for this.


Of course you're for this. A poor person might not a a tax once and a while. It's only fair to tax everyone when it's convenient.
 
kab
2013-03-24 02:01:57 PM  
I guess it's time to browse CL a bit more for certain things.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 02:02:56 PM  
Henneford v. Silas Mason Co., Inc. 300 U.S. 577 (1937) (case allowing states to assess use tax)

shotglasss: I suggest we implement a law that states that anyone who votes to raise taxes has to pay them in perpetuity whether the increase becomes law or not.

Fine, I promise to be bound by the proposed "internet sales tax" whether or not it passes. And you will also be bound by the "internet sales tax" whether or not it passes, because the law already says you have to pay use tax if you live in a state with sales tax. All this "internet sales tax" does is cut down on tax evasion. It adds nothing to the tax you owe.
 
2013-03-24 02:03:51 PM  

Nemo's Brother: acanuck: Aren't those Senators, who voted "yes", impeachable under U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, §9, cl. 5: "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state" ???

A good reason to shuffle things up in that toilet bowl of turds.

Besides, you lefties love taxes. You can't biatch now that finally one has hit home.


Well, you righties love war and tax breaks for billionaires.  Maybe we wouldn't be looking for new taxes if you guys weren't so spendthrift.

Emposter: Lionel Mandrake: sammyk: Lionel Mandrake: Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time

Like it has a chance in the House. I'm sure Grover& co. will throw a tantrum and start threatening primaries if this ever comes close to passing

Well, maybe that fuzzy tub of goo will prove useful for once.

You guys are dreaming.  It's a sales tax, AKA a tax that hits the poor more than the rich, AKA the kind that anti-tax "fiscal conservatives" like and propose all the time.


True, but last I checked, Grover did oppose it.  But, I'm sure he's more willing to bend on this issue than on, say, corporate jets.
 
kab
2013-03-24 02:04:51 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Besides, you lefties love taxes. You can't biatch now that finally one has hit home.


Oh, the right loves them just as much, as long as someone else is paying them, or there's a way around them.
 
2013-03-24 02:10:01 PM  

flucto: If the Federal Government is going to allow it(snip)
Otherwise they're going to create an assload of compliance burden.


Why do you hate the jerbs makers? Someone has to get paid to oversee all of these issues. Might as well be an overpaid govt agency whose cost will be more than the revenue generated by the  taxes. Why? Cause DC potato accounting. That's why.
/Sure I'm a little paranoid
//Why aren't you?
 
2013-03-24 02:10:02 PM  
USPS should do it to fund post roads
 
2013-03-24 02:15:31 PM  
Taxes are just the governments lazy, thoughtless way of sticking its hand between you and the free market. Growing the economy and expanding the existing tax base would of course be better, but that requires thinking which is hard work compared to telling fatties they can't have their Big Gulps.
 
2013-03-24 02:15:33 PM  

Warlordtrooper: runwiz: While I may not voluntarily pay sales taxes on internet purchases, as I am supposed to do, i don't oppose it.  Not collecting the taxes really is unfair to brick-and-mortar stores which are often small businesses.  And I predict that ultimately taxing internet sales will not have much if any adverse affect on those sales.

The government should not be protecting any business from competition.


And it's not. Taxes are a function of society. I'll piss and moan with the best when it comes to paying, but I will actually pay the tax. Right now, it's unfair to internet companies who can sell without sales tax while localized competitors who keep money in the area (even the megachains employ local people who spend money locally). Set the tax to both and let the market sort out who is better.

Somehow, I don't think Amazon will suddenly collapse and Best Buy will make a 500% recovery with putting both on an equal ground for commerce regulations. I would suggest all companies do what my store (yes, I work retail) does: stop trying to "sell" crap and start becoming consultants in a specialty area. The days of smooth talking someone into buying something are almost over, but people will pay for a knowledgeable and polite sales staff with direct product knowledge. "Oh, you have X setup in your home. I would recommend that product Y or Z would work for you because blah blah blah. If you need me, don't hesitate to ask."

/Employed there 2 years
//18 consecutive months of beating sales budgets
///Most other stores in the company are struggling
 
2013-03-24 02:19:47 PM  
 Most recent 47 links not approved in last 90 days:

(Daily Herald) 2013-03-23    Dick Durbin (B-est Buy) proposes Internet Sales Tax in Senate budget plan



Had to wait for some TFer to submit the link before greenlighting it, huh Mods?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-24 02:22:29 PM  
TV's Vinnie

Your link went to a story from over a year ago, http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120113/news/701139709/. Note the "20120113" in the URL. Did you do a regular search rather than a recent news search to find a story?
 
2013-03-24 02:36:02 PM  
Amazon is lobbying for interstate sales tax, yes FOR, because they grew so much, they have warehouses in many of the states they ship to. They want to take away the competitive advantage smaller companies based in fewer states have against them.
 
2013-03-24 02:44:59 PM  
So does that mean they are going to tax purchases from mail order catalogues and infomercials as well?
 
2013-03-24 02:45:31 PM  
The states need the money. And there is an argument to be made that out-of-state businesses not having to pay sales tax hurts "local" businesses, because they can't compete on price.

Of course, the main reason local retail businesses get creamed by internet-based stores is because local businesses have crappy selection and high prices (even without sales tax). So they're still doomed. But at least the states will make some money.
 
2013-03-24 03:05:35 PM  

pivazena: Sales taxes are regressive. Maybe they can raise income taxes and capital gains taxes instead. That'll more than make up for the difference in revenue.


This.
 
2013-03-24 03:05:44 PM  

Emposter: Lionel Mandrake: sammyk: Lionel Mandrake: Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time

Like it has a chance in the House. I'm sure Grover& co. will throw a tantrum and start threatening primaries if this ever comes close to passing

Well, maybe that fuzzy tub of goo will prove useful for once.

You guys are dreaming.  It's a sales tax, AKA a tax that hits the poor more than the rich, AKA the kind that anti-tax "fiscal conservatives" like and propose all the time.


I wonder what percentage of their money poor people spend online.  I don't recall any "EBT Welcome" icons.
 
2013-03-24 03:08:16 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Emposter: Lionel Mandrake: sammyk: Lionel Mandrake: Also, nonbinding resolution.  So, meaningless waste of time

Like it has a chance in the House. I'm sure Grover& co. will throw a tantrum and start threatening primaries if this ever comes close to passing

Well, maybe that fuzzy tub of goo will prove useful for once.

You guys are dreaming.  It's a sales tax, AKA a tax that hits the poor more than the rich, AKA the kind that anti-tax "fiscal conservatives" like and propose all the time.

I wonder what percentage of their money poor people spend online.  I don't recall any "EBT Welcome" icons.


It's funny that people are hungry!!
 
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