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(Phys Org2)   Papers link top China university to army 'hacking' unit - confirmed by satellite images of nearby dumpsters filled with empty Mountain Lew bottles and Choutos bags   (phys.org) divider line 41
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2013-03-24 11:34:04 AM
look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.

so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience.  it's gonna happen no matter what.
 
2013-03-24 12:11:53 PM

Weaver95: look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.

so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience.  it's gonna happen no matter what.


That's the spirit!
Give up!

There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.
 
2013-03-24 12:12:10 PM
Choutos bags

Made by Dew-Lay?
 
2013-03-24 12:12:35 PM
Meh.. We're trying to hack them just as much. It's not who's doing what, it's who's getting caught.. Everyone is guilty..
 
2013-03-24 12:12:41 PM
This is worse than that whole "pee-pee in the coke" scare a few years back.
 
2013-03-24 12:14:23 PM
choutos?  wouldnt they be bags of prawn chips?

/ like crack they are
 
2013-03-24 12:17:09 PM

Weaver95: look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.

so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience.  it's gonna happen no matter what.


hey man, if it's a legitimate hacking, there are ways to shut the whole thing down. namely, killing the mains.
 
2013-03-24 12:19:19 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.


I knew I had you labeled as a troll for a reason. That's good stuff right there.

/Ohwaityou'reserious.jpg
 
2013-03-24 12:19:27 PM
tenpoundsofcheese:

That's the spirit!
Give up!

There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.


the ONLY way we're going to stop the chinese from hacking into our systems is by doing things you'd consider 'excessive government regulation'.
 
2013-03-24 12:21:45 PM

styckx: Meh.. We're trying to hack them just as much. It's not who's doing what, it's who's getting caught.. Everyone is guilty..


well...I think the problem is more with industrial espionage and copyright infringement than it is with critical infrastructure here in the states.  companies cover up a LOT of security breeches that would make their investors shiat bricks if they knew how much had been stolen.
 
2013-03-24 12:21:48 PM
Didn't Richard Clarke cover this 2 or 3 years ago in his book Cyber War? I think I recall him saying in the book that he warned Clinton of this.
 
2013-03-24 12:22:36 PM
Remember when one country hacking through another country actually meant blood, carnage and fatherless children being raised for revenge?

Ahh those where the days.
 
2013-03-24 12:22:38 PM

Weaver95: so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience. it's gonna happen no matter what.


William?
 
2013-03-24 12:25:57 PM

AuralArgument: Remember when one country hacking through another country actually meant blood, carnage and fatherless children being raised for revenge?

Ahh those where the days.


In my day, hacking meant something.

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-24 12:36:11 PM
i105.photobucket.com
What Choutos might look like.
 
2013-03-24 12:38:09 PM
Links like the way most of the big US universities have links with the military?

/yawn
 
2013-03-24 01:02:24 PM
Pretty sure the Chinese word for cheetos is Qi Duo. 奇多。Ch'i-to in Wade Giles. It means 'plentiful oddity' or 'wtf'
 
2013-03-24 01:08:34 PM
Looks like all those student visas and MIT scholarships paid off

GO USA!
 
2013-03-24 01:14:41 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.


Pfft, thats a lie and you know it. Have you seen Wargames? That coward Reagan let that kid get away with almost starting WW3!
 
2013-03-24 01:39:52 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

That's the spirit!
Give up!

There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.

the ONLY way we're going to stop the chinese from hacking into our systems is by doing things you'd consider 'excessive government regulation'.


Having toilet paper in the "over" configuration in the public bathrooms in Congress is excessive to him.
 
2013-03-24 01:50:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.

so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience.  it's gonna happen no matter what.

That's the spirit!
Give up!

There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.


Wow, you have NO grasp on technology, do you?
 
2013-03-24 01:56:52 PM

Weaver95: the ONLY way we're going to stop the chinese from hacking into our systems is by doing things you'd consider 'excessive government regulation'.


Because computer security is something only the government is capable of doing or pushing for?
 
2013-03-24 02:09:13 PM
It's CHEETOS.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-03-24 02:12:03 PM

Weaver95: look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.


That's why Huawei exists, courtesy of the complete dismantling of Nortel.  While that may have been a Canadian business, same thing happened.

At least the US doesn't hand even more stuff like entire cities (Vancouver?) to them, entire oil pipelines, much less leadership (Harper's willingness to deal with China).


Turbo Cojones: Looks like all those student visas and MIT scholarships paid off


Time to preemptively give whites Affirmative Action status, taking it away from Asia?  At least it would be acknowledging a minority status and doing what the law intended.
 
2013-03-24 02:31:07 PM
Turbo Cojones: Looks like all those student visas and MIT scholarships paid off

Time to preemptively give whites Affirmative Action status, taking it away from Asia?  At least it would be acknowledging a minority status and doing what the law intended.


asians dont qualify for affirmative action moran, only blacks, hispanics, and native.  asians are the people universities take slots away from in favor of the less qualified.
 
2013-03-24 02:45:28 PM

Weaver95: styckx: Meh.. We're trying to hack them just as much. It's not who's doing what, it's who's getting caught.. Everyone is guilty..

well...I think the problem is more with industrial espionage and copyright infringement than it is with critical infrastructure here in the states.  companies cover up a LOT of security breeches that would make their investors shiat bricks if they knew how much had been stolen.


Does the zipper stay up?

We could always just sell them the secret technology; see A123 battery.
 
2013-03-24 02:46:22 PM

Weaver95: look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.

so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience.  it's gonna happen no matter what.


How about for every semi proven instance cancel some debt.
 
2013-03-24 02:52:05 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Choutos bags

Made by Dew-Lay?


No, made by Flito-Ray.  Sirry Amelican.
 
2013-03-24 03:01:25 PM

lack of warmth: Sock Ruh Tease: Choutos bags

Made by Dew-Lay?

No, made by Flito-Ray.  Sirry Amelican.


With extra peepee.
 
2013-03-24 03:22:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: look - we all know china is trying to hack into our computer networks.  they also are heavily involved in industrial espionage against the US and US based corporations.  they're doing some very bad things and they manage to succeed more often than you'd think.  But we're not gonna do anything about it.  they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls.

so ya might as well relax and enjoy the experience.  it's gonna happen no matter what.

That's the spirit!
Give up!

There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.


Also, internet.
 
2013-03-24 03:31:48 PM
American companies and agencies view IT security as a cost item to be reduced during budget cuts. IT security is not profitable (unless you are an IT security contractor) and is not the "core business".

In other words, just lie back and think of England, honey.
 
2013-03-24 03:38:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: There is a lot more hacking now than when Reagan was President because Reagan would not have stood for this.


I'm sure the non-existence of the World Wide Web had something to do with it. And one of the most legendary hacking-type attacks in the history of the Internet, the Morris Worm, occurred during Reagan's second term.

But hey, why curtail your rants due to pesky things like facts or intelligence?
 
2013-03-24 04:21:22 PM

thisiszombocom: Turbo Cojones: Looks like all those student visas and MIT scholarships paid off

Time to preemptively give whites Affirmative Action status, taking it away from Asia?  At least it would be acknowledging a minority status and doing what the law intended.

asians dont qualify for affirmative action moran, only blacks, hispanics, and native.  asians are the people universities take slots away from in favor of the less qualified.


Then they haven't done enough to notice if that's the case.  Places like MIT and Berkeley didn't get their notoriety for nothing(or whatever snark you want to bring).
 
2013-03-24 05:18:53 PM
Black lotus division?
 
2013-03-24 05:23:09 PM

pedrop357: Weaver95: the ONLY way we're going to stop the chinese from hacking into our systems is by doing things you'd consider 'excessive government regulation'.

Because computer security is something only the government is capable of doing or pushing for?


the industry can't and won't police itself.
 
2013-03-24 06:26:39 PM
Hue Hau Kew
 
2013-03-24 10:37:11 PM

Fano: Black lotus division?


No system is safe.
 
2013-03-25 02:40:57 AM
This is not me, the Chinese have taken over my laptop and it is them typing this.  I'm watching them do it now and they know there's nothing I can do because if I disconnect that would be no fun at all.

When Reagan was president he had the USSR that was in dismantle mode, China who was still in a technological stone age, a handful of terrorist groups in the ME and Sandinistas.  Being in the military at that time (which I was having retired a few years back) was a picnic.  So Ronnie Raygun didn't have near the threats that we have now with the exception of those that the average right-whinger likes to dream up because fear seems to get them off.  Get them off is apparently the end of it being that so many are chicken hawks.
 
2013-03-25 11:47:23 AM

pedrop357: Weaver95: the ONLY way we're going to stop the chinese from hacking into our systems is by doing things you'd consider 'excessive government regulation'.

Because computer security is something only the government is capable of doing or pushing for?


It's a classic externality; if identity thieves steal your data from, say, Equifax, the cost of mopping up the damage lies with you, not them. Econ 101 says the solution to externalities is for government regulation to cause those costs to be internalized (e.g. tax or ban pollution). In the case of infosec the free-market-iest solution is to require service providers to bear civil liability for breaches. There are other solutions, e.g. requiring standard practices like PCI does for machines that see credit card numbers.
 
2013-03-25 11:53:23 AM

Weaver95: they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls


As trading partners we have each other by our collective balls (NTTAWWT).

If either of us put a stop to trading, the following things happen:
- Big burst of inflation in the US as things cost more
- Chinese domestic economy implodes
- Chinese people lose jobs, American robots gain jobs

Not really a win for either of us, but probably more of a loss for China.

wow just wow: How about for every semi proven instance cancel some debt.


Most US government debt is owed to Americans. The Chinese own a lot of the (20% IIRC of our total) debt we owe to foreigners, but that's because it's how they maintain(ed) their currency peg to the dollar.
 
2013-03-26 11:30:17 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: Weaver95: they're a major trading partner and they've got us by the balls

As trading partners we have each other by our collective balls (NTTAWWT).

If either of us put a stop to trading, the following things happen:
- Big burst of inflation in the US as things cost more
- Chinese domestic economy implodes
- Chinese people lose jobs, American robots gain jobs

Not really a win for either of us, but probably more of a loss for China.

wow just wow: How about for every semi proven instance cancel some debt.

Most US government debt is owed to Americans. The Chinese own a lot of the (20% IIRC of our total) debt we owe to foreigners, but that's because it's how they maintain(ed) their currency peg to the dollar.


Which is more of a reason to set China off by repudiating the debt and getting a bit closer to the EU.  Then tell the Middle Kingdom to fark off.
 
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