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2013-03-24 08:59:48 AM
"Because of the offensiveness, I was worried about the safety of the kids,"

Really?
 
2013-03-24 09:04:03 AM
So, the students face consequences for creating these pages.
What happens when a former or non-student sets up a page?

The FBI?
 
2013-03-24 09:07:53 AM

mrlewish: "Because of the offensiveness, I was worried about the safety of the kids,"

Really?


It's ALWAYS about the safety of the students, duh. I like how that's school administrators go-to when something they don't like happens. It's their job to protect these fragile angels.
 
2013-03-24 09:15:34 AM
They do know the story behind the creation of Facebook, don't they?  Rating what female students put out is the reason it exists.
 
2013-03-24 09:19:06 AM
Note to administrators: in loco parentis  does not mean Crazy Parent.

/it's Latin, not Spanish, dumbass
 
2013-03-24 09:23:18 AM
Fark it. These kids and their parents will figure out soon enough out how libel works once the girl's parents see the webpages. The school should stay out of it. Once you start making up rules about what your students can do off campus and online, then you open yourself up to all kinds of liability about who should be informed about what.
 
2013-03-24 09:23:50 AM
Schools and their administrators are in the habit of telling everyone what to do by profession Sadly, they want to CONTROL everything these kids do all the time at all locations.

It educators had a political party it would be equivalent to the Nazis. "We know what's best for you."

I'm glad to see kids are still kids. Just help them grasp the difference between parody and bullying. And concepts like consent, the word "no", posting on the internet is forever, etc.
 
2013-03-24 09:24:13 AM

mrlewish: "Because of the offensiveness, I was worried about the safety of the kids,"

Really?


Really.  This is a legit issue, on that front.

Making a page that demeans bunches of students, notably women, LGBT, and such, can help perpetuate certain treatment as 'acceptable'.  Kids push boundaries; they're supposed to.  It's a part of exploring independance.  But something like this causes a lot of fear about any of the girls listed as 'sluts' being put into very dangerous scenarios based on rumors.

'Think of the children' is an overused pile of bullshiat, but in this case?  It's totally legit.
 
2013-03-24 09:27:18 AM
But, but, they signed a code of conduct! It's a legally binding contract!
 
2013-03-24 09:28:55 AM
So I guess the 1st Amendment is captured at the schoolhouse door?

Glad I got out of high school in 1980.
 
2013-03-24 09:30:52 AM
I going lol when my kids get to middle school and higher.  Lots of school in the area require that the kids turn over their log in info for facebook so that the school can remove anything the think is not good for the school. Any child who doesn't faces detention.  My kids don't have facebook yet they are to young(atm I let them post stuff on mine and us my page for the games).  I have let them post stuff bout when teacher do something stupid and I agree with it(after talking to the teacher to find out what happened). Right now the kids don't know my password as I have it saved on the system so that when they put in my username the system puts in the password for them.  This is how I am going setup the kids facebook pagpes.  So when the school tell my kids that they need the info my kids can say sorry daddy logs me in and I don't know the password.  If the school then calls and demands the info I going reply got a court order?  Then I will tell them if they punish my kids for what I have done they will be talking to a lawyer bout it.  Yes I know the kids could try and setup a facebook account that I don't know bout but the only system they can get on is beside mine so I see what they do when I go to bed the power to that system is turned off and the breaker box is in my bedroom.
 
2013-03-24 09:33:15 AM

jmr61: So I guess the 1st Amendment is captured at the schoolhouse door?


Well, only if the girls actually ARE sluts and you were telling the complete and unvarnished truth. ;)
Otherwise, you can be sued.
 
2013-03-24 09:34:20 AM
"West High Sluts." sounds like something attacking individual young ladies at the school, not the school itself.  That's different.  You dont need cyberbullying laws to deal with that.  Existing harassment, libel, etc. etc. laws will suffice (in the hands of a DA who gives a damn).
 
2013-03-24 09:40:46 AM
Slambook 2k
 
2013-03-24 09:40:54 AM

jmr61: So I guess the 1st Amendment is captured at the schoolhouse door?

Glad I got out of high school in 1980.


It has always been that way.  I finished high school in 1984, and I remember the school trying to keep a guy out of the National Honor Society for one reason:  He had a pierced ear.
 
2013-03-24 09:42:37 AM
The solution to all problems is making new laws.
 
2013-03-24 09:46:18 AM
Subby: Schools are shocked, SHOCKED that students would set up derogatory high school Facebook pages

FTA:

"Cobb had been aware of a handful of West High-centered gossip pages popping up on Facebook over the last few weeks..."

"In 2011, School District 2 added cyberbullying to its hazing and bullying policy, listing specific online behavior that could land students in trouble."

"Zorzakis, working with administrators at Lewis and Clark two years ago, initially raised the issue with SD2 trustees of having a strong cyberbullying policy on the books. "We saw this coming," he said."


So by "shocked," you mean "not shocked?"
 
2013-03-24 10:11:58 AM
There have been several stories about kids that have committed suicide after lengthy bouts of cyber-bullying on Facebook. I guess my question is this: Why didn't any of these victims simply change their privacy settings to disallow the bullies from posting? What about removing them from your Friends list?

I bet many of these victims grow up, start accounts on Fark, and brag about how 'ignore lists are for the weak.'
 
2013-03-24 10:14:25 AM
Wow, forget the students i'd like to bully the person who made the mobile website
 
2013-03-24 10:21:42 AM
This is total BS. Schools have no business policing the internet.
 
2013-03-24 10:34:54 AM

edmo: Schools and their administrators are in the habit of telling everyone what to do by profession Sadly, they want to CONTROL everything these kids do all the time at all locations.

It educators had a political party it would be equivalent to the Nazis. "We know what's best for you."

I'm glad to see kids are still kids. Just help them grasp the difference between parody and bullying. And concepts like consent, the word "no", posting on the internet is forever, etc.


Six posts to Godwin, in a thread about high school kids being assholes. I did not see that coming.
 
2013-03-24 10:39:40 AM

jumac: I going lol when my kids get to middle school and higher.  Lots of school in the area require that the kids turn over their log in info for facebook so that the school can remove anything the think is not good for the school. Any child who doesn't faces detention.  My kids don't have facebook yet they are to young(atm I let them post stuff on mine and us my page for the games).  I have let them post stuff bout when teacher do something stupid and I agree with it(after talking to the teacher to find out what happened). Right now the kids don't know my password as I have it saved on the system so that when they put in my username the system puts in the password for them.  This is how I am going setup the kids facebook pagpes.  So when the school tell my kids that they need the info my kids can say sorry daddy logs me in and I don't know the password.  If the school then calls and demands the info I going reply got a court order?  Then I will tell them if they punish my kids for what I have done they will be talking to a lawyer bout it.  Yes I know the kids could try and setup a facebook account that I don't know bout but the only system they can get on is beside mine so I see what they do when I go to bed the power to that system is turned off and the breaker box is in my bedroom.


And we were worried about the schools being Nazis?
 
2013-03-24 10:41:31 AM
If you have been bullied in your life, and you want somebody to handle it for you because you can't, kill yourself.
 
2013-03-24 10:49:09 AM
wiredroach:
So by "shocked," you mean "not shocked?"
yes.

snag.gy

snag.gy
 
2013-03-24 11:08:58 AM
What an appalling waste of FBI resources.
 
2013-03-24 11:18:22 AM

dmax: jumac: I going lol when my kids get to middle school and higher.  Lots of school in the area require that the kids turn over their log in info for facebook so that the school can remove anything the think is not good for the school. Any child who doesn't faces detention.  My kids don't have facebook yet they are to young(atm I let them post stuff on mine and us my page for the games).  I have let them post stuff bout when teacher do something stupid and I agree with it(after talking to the teacher to find out what happened). Right now the kids don't know my password as I have it saved on the system so that when they put in my username the system puts in the password for them.  This is how I am going setup the kids facebook pagpes.  So when the school tell my kids that they need the info my kids can say sorry daddy logs me in and I don't know the password.  If the school then calls and demands the info I going reply got a court order?  Then I will tell them if they punish my kids for what I have done they will be talking to a lawyer bout it.  Yes I know the kids could try and setup a facebook account that I don't know bout but the only system they can get on is beside mine so I see what they do when I go to bed the power to that system is turned off and the breaker box is in my bedroom.

And we were worried about the schools being Nazis?


My kids are 8 9 11 atm Its more of i don't want them getting into stuff that is not good for their age.(in regards to the system) As they get older I let them do more when I am not around. As for the school.  sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school.  If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.
 
2013-03-24 11:22:22 AM
"It's an epidemic"


Same old BS line used to describe anything that bothers someone...
 
2013-03-24 11:25:37 AM

karlandtanya: yes.


I don't think so...especially with the Stupid tag applied.
 
2013-03-24 11:32:30 AM

jmr61: So I guess the 1st Amendment is captured at the schoolhouse door?

Glad I got out of high school in 1980.


"All I need to know about the Constitution is what I learned in high school."

No, it isn't.
 
2013-03-24 11:35:05 AM

SBinRR: jmr61: So I guess the 1st Amendment is captured at the schoolhouse door?

Glad I got out of high school in 1980.

It has always been that way.  I finished high school in 1984, and I remember the school trying to keep a guy out of the National Honor Society for one reason:  He had a pierced ear.


From whom did he get it?  Did he use it as a key fob?
 
2013-03-24 11:36:21 AM

edmo: It educators had a political party it would be equivalent to the Nazis. "We know what's best for you."


Educators do have a political party.  In the US, it's called The Democratic Party.  In Canada, it's called the New Democratic Party.  And both adhere to the principle that onl they know what is right an good for you.
 
2013-03-24 11:44:39 AM

jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.


If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.
 
2013-03-24 11:45:07 AM

dmax: jumac: I going lol when my kids get to middle school and higher.  Lots of school in the area require that the kids turn over their log in info for facebook so that the school can remove anything the think is not good for the school. Any child who doesn't faces detention.  My kids don't have facebook yet they are to young(atm I let them post stuff on mine and us my page for the games).  I have let them post stuff bout when teacher do something stupid and I agree with it(after talking to the teacher to find out what happened). Right now the kids don't know my password as I have it saved on the system so that when they put in my username the system puts in the password for them.  This is how I am going setup the kids facebook pagpes.  So when the school tell my kids that they need the info my kids can say sorry daddy logs me in and I don't know the password.  If the school then calls and demands the info I going reply got a court order?  Then I will tell them if they punish my kids for what I have done they will be talking to a lawyer bout it.  Yes I know the kids could try and setup a facebook account that I don't know bout but the only system they can get on is beside mine so I see what they do when I go to bed the power to that system is turned off and the breaker box is in my bedroom.

And we were worried about the schools being Nazis?


at least schools know how to set masks in routers to disallow access to certain sites.
 
2013-03-24 11:59:48 AM

BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.


The schools job is to teach children while they are in class. It is not to police a students entire life. The school authority should end when the student leaves school grounds. You sound like one of those lazy, nosy teachers who sends a lot of homework home because you can't do your job. It's the only profession where employees get payed to make parents do their job for them.
 
2013-03-24 12:00:10 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: There have been several stories about kids that have committed suicide after lengthy bouts of cyber-bullying on Facebook. I guess my question is this: Why didn't any of these victims simply change their privacy settings to disallow the bullies from posting? What about removing them from your Friends list?

I bet many of these victims grow up, start accounts on Fark, and brag about how 'ignore lists are for the weak.'


Or maybe cyber-bullying may be overblown media horseshiat, since no hard data on it actually exists.
 
2013-03-24 12:49:45 PM

Mija: BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.

The schools job is to teach children while they are in class. It is not to police a students entire life. The school authority should end when the student leaves school grounds.


The school's authority extends to whatever behavior affects a student's ability to benefit from the school's educational efforts.  The effects of bullying do so, wherever the bullying occurs.
 
2013-03-24 01:03:39 PM
TFA:  National news stories about students committing suicide after experiencing online bullying and shaming have become distressingly commonplace.


Uh, if that is even close to being true, why aren't they on Fark on daily, weekly, monthly basis? That happens like what once a year out of seven billion people?

More people kill themselves with alcohol, drink underage, and are beaten/abused/killed by alcoholics. Why not work on banning that instead of bullying if you really care?
 
2013-03-24 01:03:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The school's authority extends to whatever behavior affects a student's ability to benefit from the school's educational efforts. The effects of bullying do so, wherever the bullying occurs.


Yeah, that's not a blank check for the schools to do whatever they want or anything.
 
2013-03-24 01:09:08 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.


Just as soon as we all are allowed to stop paying for that school.
 
2013-03-24 01:11:26 PM

AndreMA: What an appalling waste of FBI resources.


It isn't really a waste because they have nothing better to do. The problem is we have way too many FBI resources.

Step one to fixing this country is to fire half of the police, from the local cops who are so bored that they have time for speeding tickets to the FBI who lounge around the office dealing with this shiat.
 
2013-03-24 01:13:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.


False. As a taxpayer the teachers are his employees. Amusing that you would give a government entity the same rights as a citizen though. I bet you're one of the people who cries about businesses having rights because they are collections of individuals.
 
2013-03-24 01:17:58 PM

pedrop357: BarkingUnicorn: The school's authority extends to whatever behavior affects a student's ability to benefit from the school's educational efforts. The effects of bullying do so, wherever the bullying occurs.

Yeah, that's not a blank check for the schools to do whatever they want or anything.


No, it isn't.  Here is an example.
 
2013-03-24 01:21:21 PM

Bullseyed: BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.

False. As a taxpayer the teachers are his employees.


No, they are not.  A shareholder is not an employer.
 
2013-03-24 01:45:30 PM

BarkingUnicorn: pedrop357: BarkingUnicorn: The school's authority extends to whatever behavior affects a student's ability to benefit from the school's educational efforts. The effects of bullying do so, wherever the bullying occurs.

Yeah, that's not a blank check for the schools to do whatever they want or anything.

No, it isn't.  Here is an example.


Good link, but that's not what you said.  See your comment above and the rather broad powers you espoused.
 
2013-03-24 01:46:57 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bullseyed: BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.

False. As a taxpayer the teachers are his employees.

No, they are not.  A shareholder is not an employer.


Still a largely one way relationship.  As a shareholder, I get a say in the company's affairs and its policies towards employees.  The corporation and its employees do not get a corresponding say in how I run my own life or household affairs.
 
2013-03-24 02:34:40 PM

pedrop357: BarkingUnicorn: pedrop357: BarkingUnicorn: The school's authority extends to whatever behavior affects a student's ability to benefit from the school's educational efforts. The effects of bullying do so, wherever the bullying occurs.

Yeah, that's not a blank check for the schools to do whatever they want or anything.

No, it isn't.  Here is an example.

Good link, but that's not what you said.  See your comment above and the rather broad powers you espoused.


The only word I would add is, "substantially."  It's in SCOTUS decisions on this subject.
 
2013-03-24 02:40:02 PM

pedrop357: BarkingUnicorn: Bullseyed: BarkingUnicorn: jumac: As for the school. sorry as far as I am concerned what happens off school grounds or not at a school event is non of their business. If my kids think their teacher(s) are jerks and after finding out what happened I agree with it sure I let them post bout it. Sorry the school has no control on what I as a parent let my kids do when they are not in school. If they think they can punish my kids for what I let them do at home they have another thing coming to them.

If the school has to keep its nose out of your home, I assume you keep you keep your nose out of school.

False. As a taxpayer the teachers are his employees.

No, they are not.  A shareholder is not an employer.

Still a largely one way relationship.  As a shareholder, I get a say in the company's affairs and its policies towards employees.  The corporation and its employees do not get a corresponding say in how I run my own life or household affairs.


If your behavior disrupts the corporation's business, holding shares will not grant you immunity from prosecution or civil litigation.
 
2013-03-24 04:13:58 PM
One of the consistent factors I notice in stories like this is how the adults act more immature (or at least as immature) as the kids.
 
2013-03-24 04:19:44 PM
i dont have a facebook page, but i had to create one for work since we were creating an app that needed to use their API.  facebook wanted valid id before i could create a dummy account - drivers license, passport, etc, along with a phone number.  wtf?   how do you create a fake acct like this?

/ i thought expecting id to create an account was rather presumptuous and arrogant of them.
// i let a coworker take care of it
/// i played around with the twitter api
 
2013-03-24 05:08:24 PM
Bullseyed:
Uh, if that is even close to being true, why aren't they on Fark on daily, weekly, monthly basis? That happens like what once a year out of seven billion people?

because... Fark doesn't run every story ever, maybe?  Because there wasn't a hot or beer-goggle teacher catching student tail in every story?  Because we're selective?

I don't know whether you are right or wrong, but your reasoning sucks.  However, by typing 'teen suicide rates bullying' into google, the 2nd link I got back was this pdf from the National Association of School Psychologists which looks legit.

So... now you've seen it on Fark, I guess?
 
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