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2013-03-24 01:06:32 AM
8 votes:
Told of the indignation produced by Jihad's shirt, the single mother, who works as a secretary, apologized for causing trouble and said she had no intention of conveying a political message via her toddler.

I don't buy this, because no matter how stupid a 35 year-old single mother you are, you know this:

"I am a bomb," the shirt said on the front. The back read, "Jihad Born Sept. 11."

Isn't the kind of t-shirt you put on a three year-old if you don't have any intention of conveying a political message.  The kid doesn't know any better, but if the parent claims they don't, that's asinine.
2013-03-24 12:36:17 AM
8 votes:

cman: Only in America can you get away with all of that


Are you serious? If children in U.S. are getting in trouble for biting a toaster pastry in what appears to be a gun or for drawing a picture of a gun, what makes you think an American school wouldn't go all zero tolerance on the kid? They wouldn't even take into consideration that he's only 3-years old.
2013-03-24 05:13:10 AM
4 votes:

Moriel: Happy Hours:
That said, it has taken on a very bad connotation especially in the western world.

Too bad. There's a lot of things that have "bad connotations", but that doesn't excuse punishing people for it. We don't shame people born on April 20, do we? That'shiatler's birthday, you know, so I guess you'll have to start getting angry at people who have the audacity to have birthday parties on that day. And gods forbid that such a person think they're a good cook, what with using ovens and all.

There is absolutely no evidence that this family in France was in any way expressing support for terrorism, so there is absolutley no reason to punish them.


Well, except for everything written on the kid's t-shirt.

Sorry to point out the truth.

4/20 is also celebrated by pot smokers. It's also the day of the Columbine shootings

Nobody thinks this kid's mother is a terrorist sympathizer because her kid was born on 9/11. They think she's a terrorist sympathizer because she makes her kid wear a t-shirt saying he is a bomb and because she named him Jihad and proudly proclaims his birthday as the date of the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the world.

Like I said earlier, it probably should be protected speech, but France - and most of Europe does not have the same First Amendment rights to free speech that exist in the US. She is clearly celebrating terrorism. If I saw her and her kid walking around in the US I would tell her she was a piece of shiat and should go back to wherever the fark she came from. The only reason I wouldn't spit in her face and kick the shiat out of her is because that would be illegal and I don't want to get arrested. Telling her that she's a piece of shiat and should leave my country is protected speech though.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I sort of doubt Adolph is a very popular name in Germany anymore. And Hitler is a perfectly valid surname to have, but I bet a lot of people who had that name went out of their way to change it. I've never met anyone named Adolph or Hitler.
Naming your kid Jihad is defensible though perhaps a bit insensitive. Making him wear a t-shirt that says he is a bomb and proudly proclaiming his birthday is 9/11 is not defensible.

She shouldn't be charged with a crime, but IMO France should deport her ass back to Morocco.
2013-03-24 03:36:00 AM
4 votes:

Moriel: For crying out loud, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.  I'm just a nobody from Texas, but even I know that "Jihad" is a perfectly normal name for Muslim men.  Don't believe me?  Look it up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_%28disambiguation%29

 For the ignorant who are also too lazy to click the link, here's a list of people named Jihad who are famous enough to hav etheir own Wikipedia pages.


Jihad Azour, Lebanese (Christian) Minister of Finance
Jihad Ballout, Communications Director of Al Arabiya
Jihad Harik (born 1960), Lebanese American television actor
Jihad Helwi (born 1985), Lebanese football player
Jihad Ahmed Jibril (1961-2002), assassinated son of Ahmed Jibril, founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command
Jihad Khodr (born 1983), Brazilian professional surfer
Jihad Makdissi, Foreign ministry spokesman of the Syrian government from 1998 to 2012
Mohammad Jihad al-Laham, Syrian speaker of parliament

The only terrorists mentioned in that article are the pre-school teacher, the mayor, and the prosecutor who have nothing better to do than use their own ignorance and fear to try and justify destroying the lives and innocent people!


Yes, we know. Jihad just means "struggle" or something like that and we all struggle with things at times. That said, it has taken on a very bad connotation especially in the western world.

Naming your kid "Jihad" might still be okay, but giving him a t-shirt that says he is a bomb and bragging about being born on 9/11? No, that's not okay.
2013-03-24 12:54:02 AM
4 votes:
French mother on trial for son Jihad's T-shirt

cman: Only in America can you get away with all of that

2013-03-24 02:50:31 AM
3 votes:
For crying out loud, the ignorance in this thread is astounding.  I'm just a nobody from Texas, but even I know that "Jihad" is a perfectly normal name for Muslim men.  Don't believe me?  Look it up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_%28disambiguation%29

 For the ignorant who are also too lazy to click the link, here's a list of people named Jihad who are famous enough to hav etheir own Wikipedia pages.


Jihad Azour, Lebanese (Christian) Minister of Finance
Jihad Ballout, Communications Director of Al Arabiya
Jihad Harik (born 1960), Lebanese American television actor
Jihad Helwi (born 1985), Lebanese football player
Jihad Ahmed Jibril (1961-2002), assassinated son of Ahmed Jibril, founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command
Jihad Khodr (born 1983), Brazilian professional surfer
Jihad Makdissi, Foreign ministry spokesman of the Syrian government from 1998 to 2012
Mohammad Jihad al-Laham, Syrian speaker of parliament

The only terrorists mentioned in that article are the pre-school teacher, the mayor, and the prosecutor who have nothing better to do than use their own ignorance and fear to try and justify destroying the lives and innocent people!
Ral
2013-03-24 01:26:00 AM
3 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Only in America can you get away with all of that

Are you serious? If children in U.S. are getting in trouble for biting a toaster pastry in what appears to be a gun or for drawing a picture of a gun, what makes you think an American school wouldn't go all zero tolerance on the kid? They wouldn't even take into consideration that he's only 3-years old.


Because terrorist speech is okay, and being pro-gun is not.  You need to remember that zero tolerance rules are only enforced to stamp out the stuff that the ruling elite don't like.  It has nothing to do with safety.  It's about control and promoting "correct" ideas.
2013-03-24 12:45:05 AM
3 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Only in America can you get away with all of that

Are you serious? If children in U.S. are getting in trouble for biting a toaster pastry in what appears to be a gun or for drawing a picture of a gun, what makes you think an American school wouldn't go all zero tolerance on the kid? They wouldn't even take into consideration that he's only 3-years old.


Maybe you are right. However I am sure as hell right when it comes to the naming of your child part
2013-03-24 03:03:12 PM
2 votes:
#1 rule of baby naming: Don't name the kid something that's obviously  going to create outrage/controversy.

that kid is going to be a huge bully target in a few years too. Way to go, idiot mom.
2013-03-24 09:23:02 AM
2 votes:

Lsherm: Told of the indignation produced by Jihad's shirt, the single mother, who works as a secretary, apologized for causing trouble and said she had no intention of conveying a political message via her toddler.

I don't buy this, because no matter how stupid a 35 year-old single mother you are, you know this:

"I am a bomb," the shirt said on the front. The back read, "Jihad Born Sept. 11."

Isn't the kind of t-shirt you put on a three year-old if you don't have any intention of conveying a political message.  The kid doesn't know any better, but if the parent claims they don't, that's asinine.


I think the discussion really ought to be about wether or not the family deserves jail time for percieved differences in opinion. Or in other words, there's a internationally known thought-crime trial going on in France right now. That's what's farked up about this situation. The trollish mother should be able to go tback to work tomorrow, and the kid should be back in his crib tonight, and the conservative morons in the French government need to suck it up, thoughts should never be criminalized.

Perhaps the French population ought to demand a freedom of speech clause in their constitution. In fact I don't know of any country in Europe that has such a clause.
2013-03-24 08:46:35 AM
2 votes:
For those that DNRF, the mother apologized but has since (with the uncle) been taken to court by the Mayor and the regional prosecutor, her and her family members

However tasteless and stupid the t-shirt stunt was it certainly doesn't merit the rabid anti-Muslim (and essentally anti-immigrant) response from the French government.
2013-03-24 07:53:50 AM
2 votes:

pup.socket: More like maximum stupidity than maximum trolling.


Wrong.  She knew exactly what she was doing - whoring for attention.
2013-03-24 01:44:15 AM
2 votes:

Lsherm: Told of the indignation produced by Jihad's shirt, the single mother, who works as a secretary, apologized for causing trouble and said she had no intention of conveying a political message via her toddler.

I don't buy this, because no matter how stupid a 35 year-old single mother you are, you know this:

"I am a bomb," the shirt said on the front. The back read, "Jihad Born Sept. 11."

Isn't the kind of t-shirt you put on a three year-old if you don't have any intention of conveying a political message.  The kid doesn't know any better, but if the parent claims they don't, that's asinine.


Yeah - I came to say the same thing. In fact, I copied the exact same sentence FTA.

She knew what she was doing when she named her kid. Should it be allowed as free speech? Well, probably except schools often have regulations about wearing disruptive messages on clothing and that's alright.

If someone thinks they can do this and NOT be scrutinized by authorities they've got another thing coming.
2013-03-24 01:27:53 AM
2 votes:
Farking coont.

Told of the indignation produced by Jihad's shirt, the single mother, who works as a secretary, apologized for causing trouble and said she had no intention of conveying a political message via her toddler.

Sorry.   Stupid, farking coont.
2013-03-24 01:27:37 AM
2 votes:

Lsherm: Told of the indignation produced by Jihad's shirt, the single mother, who works as a secretary, apologized for causing trouble and said she had no intention of conveying a political message via her toddler.

I don't buy this, because no matter how stupid a 35 year-old single mother you are, you know this:

"I am a bomb," the shirt said on the front. The back read, "Jihad Born Sept. 11."

Isn't the kind of t-shirt you put on a three year-old if you don't have any intention of conveying a political message.  The kid doesn't know any better, but if the parent claims they don't, that's asinine.


Particularly given that the mother and the uncle (who bought the shirt) were born in Morocco, not France. Morocco is a Northwest African nation whose main religion is Islam and whose primary language (and official language) is Arabic. I call bullshiat on the mom's and uncle's claims. No one in their thirties--and no one from an Arabic-speaking nation whose main religion is Islam claims not to know they're causing a stir and not to intend to do so by naming a child born on September 11 "Jihad" and putting the child in a t-shirt that states he is an explosive device.
2013-03-24 01:23:58 AM
2 votes:
The kid's picture on the other hand, is hilarious.

media.rtl.fr
2013-03-24 01:14:33 AM
2 votes:
ha! same age as my 9/11 baby......which will mean about as much when he's my age as my friend from elementary school born on the 'day of infamy' december 7
2013-03-24 08:03:06 PM
1 votes:

Dedmon: I understand and appreciate your points. I think, however, it's rather universially assumed that the woman is a trollish asshole. I don't really believe it necessitates restating a nearly universal opinion that she's just some obnoxious attention craving social reject.

If the authories in bumfark kentucky wanted to jail and confiscate the children of the grand wizard dragon pony of the ku klux klan, I'd stand up for their rights of freedom of speech, without having to address that assumed fact that the KKK father is an evil bastard.


Well, that's why I pointed out that the French have a bizarre concept of freedom of speech.   You can be jailed for insulting your wife.  As a matter of fact, they have a bizarre concept of freedom of religion, at least as Americans understand it.
2013-03-24 06:29:23 PM
1 votes:

Omahawg: ha! same age as my 9/11 baby......which will mean about as much when he's my age as my friend from elementary school born on the 'day of infamy' december 7


Agreed the day will decrease in significance to a new generation, but the date itself will remain more relevant than December 7 if only because that event is referred to as "Pearl Harbor" or the Pearl Harbor attack, etc, rather than referred to by date, as 9/11-September 11 will continue to be.
2013-03-24 12:12:16 PM
1 votes:

Okoboji: This didn't happen in the US?  I'm actually stunned!


If it happened in the US someone would have shot the kid.

Dedmon: I think the discussion really ought to be about wether or not the family deserves jail time for percieved differences in opinion.


It can be about both.  The mother can still be a stupid trollish coont and the French can still suck at freedom of speech.  Holocaust denial is still a criminal act in France - they don't take FOS as seriously as we do.
2013-03-24 11:34:05 AM
1 votes:
Mom is hot as a firecracker:
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2013-03-24 10:20:01 AM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: God-is-a-Taco: France is so farked.
I hope a get a chance to visit it while French people are still living there.

I am from the future and I am telling you, learn Mandarin.


Why?  They're only going to hire Chinese.  Kind of like now. really.
2013-03-24 09:05:52 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Happy Hours: Like I said earlier, it probably should be protected speech

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of said speech. It just means the government can't stop you from expressing yourself.

She's gonna send her kid to school with a shirt that says "I'm a bomb. Jihad, born 9/11" that's entirely OK. There's no reason the government should let her ever see her child again, though.


I get kind of sick of people repeating this stupid mantra. I could say Obama is a Kenyan-born homosexual Muslim who wants to destroy the US and the government won't lift a finger to stop me. Yes, there would be consequences if I said that. People would think I was crazy and it might close some doors for career advancement.

But if I just added a few words and threatened his life or encouraged other people to assassinate him, the Secret Service or the FBI or some other government agency would be breaking down my door before the sun came up....and the sun is coming up right now.

What you're saying applies to any country in the world. If someone living in the Soviet Union under Stalin said that Stalin was a tyrannical dictator they would have faced consequences of their speech too, but they still could have said that.

Someone living in North Korea could say that Kim Jong Un has a small penis. They are "free" to do that. I don't think it would go very well for them, but they could probably say those words.

It's a meaningless statement unless you distinguish that which the government will do to you and what society in general will do to you.
There are limits and maybe I didn't read the article closely enough, but I'm not even sure exactly what she's charged with. I assumed she's being charged with something since it mentioned criminal courts.

But the statement that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences is like saying I'm free to commit murder as long as I don't mind being convicted of murder which still carries a potential death sentence in much of the US. I am most certainly not free to commit murder.

/And I don't think Obama is a Kenyan-born homosexual Muslim (just to set the record straight)
//And Kim Jong Un does have a small penis - and he enjoyed every inch of Dennis Rodman's dick when they got together.
2013-03-24 08:14:29 AM
1 votes:
in a France increasingly ill at ease with its growing Muslim population.

Come on France. Don't you know everything needs to change to make the muslims happy? How dare you not change your way of life to suit them!
2013-03-24 07:46:12 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Like I said earlier, it probably should be protected speech


Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of said speech. It just means the government can't stop you from expressing yourself.

She's gonna send her kid to school with a shirt that says "I'm a bomb. Jihad, born 9/11" that's entirely OK. There's no reason the government should let her ever see her child again, though.
2013-03-24 07:35:14 AM
1 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: France is so farked.
I hope a get a chance to visit it while French people are still living there.


I am from the future and I am telling you, learn Mandarin.
2013-03-24 04:26:44 AM
1 votes:
The mom is more attractive than I imagined.
2013-03-24 04:22:49 AM
1 votes:
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2013-03-24 03:58:25 AM
1 votes:
Happy Hours:
That said, it has taken on a very bad connotation especially in the western world.

Too bad. There's a lot of things that have "bad connotations", but that doesn't excuse punishing people for it. We don't shame people born on April 20, do we? That'shiatler's birthday, you know, so I guess you'll have to start getting angry at people who have the audacity to have birthday parties on that day. And gods forbid that such a person think they're a good cook, what with using ovens and all.

There is absolutely no evidence that this family in France was in any way expressing support for terrorism, so there is absolutley no reason to punish them.

I'm really reminded of this article from a couple of years ago:

Poppy lapel pins

In England, poppies are a symbol of remembrance of those who died in World War I. But in China, poppies are a symbol of British repression and encouragement of drug addiction. So were the british politicians wrong to wear poppy pins while in China? It certainly wasn't polite, but at least the Chinese didn't charge anyone with a crime for it. Imagine that! The Chinese had more respect for freedom then than the French are having now.

Quelle surprise!
2013-03-24 03:19:51 AM
1 votes:

Moriel:  For the ignorant who are also too lazy to click the link, here's a list of people named Jihad who are famous enough to hav etheir own Wikipedia pages.


Jihad Azour, Lebanese (Christian) Minister of Finance
Jihad Ballout, Communications Director of Al Arabiya
Jihad Harik (born 1960), Lebanese American television actor
Jihad Helwi (born 1985), Lebanese football player
Jihad Ahmed Jibril (1961-2002), assassinated son of Ahmed Jibril, founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command
Jihad Khodr (born 1983), Brazilian professional surfer
Jihad Makdissi, Foreign ministry spokesman of the Syrian government from 1998 to 2012
Mohammad Jihad al-Laham, Syrian speaker of parliament

The only terrorists mentioned in that article are the pre-school teacher, the mayor, and the prosecutor who have nothing better to do than use their own ignorance and fear to try and justify destroying the lives and innocent people!



It's like that one time I greeted my friend Jack when I saw he was on the same flight as me.
2013-03-24 01:48:50 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-24 01:47:01 AM
1 votes:

jaytkay: Thanks Merci, Obama!


FTFY
2013-03-24 01:43:34 AM
1 votes:
I named my baby Obamacare and make him wear a onesie that says "I am a death panel."
2013-03-24 01:30:02 AM
1 votes:
political grandstanding by the authorities and stupidity on the part of the mother and uncle. the mayor should be cock punched just because. ok and the DA too.

and the french en mass for that stupid all purpose crime thing "apology for crime,"  great jesus that would never pass here even on 9/2/2001.

be nice if we could apply it to pam geller though.
2013-03-24 01:25:36 AM
1 votes:
Ok.  I'm the biggest D-A-D fan I know, but I still wouldn't name my child after the second track of their "No Fuel Left for the Pilgrims" album.
I would have named him ZCMI.
2013-03-24 01:24:03 AM
1 votes:
Thanks, Obama!
2013-03-24 01:16:12 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, I would probably send the boy home.
2013-03-24 01:15:58 AM
1 votes:
[to jihad] your momma's so dumb, they slapped her when you were born.
2013-03-24 01:15:24 AM
1 votes:
Poor kid has a farkin' moron for an egg donor.
2013-03-24 01:12:21 AM
1 votes:
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Here's Daddy, changing little Jihad's diaper
 
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