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2013-03-24 12:58:31 AM  
6 votes:
Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.
2013-03-24 12:32:40 AM  
6 votes:
The only tourists to Saudi Arabia from America should be military tourists, unleashing depleted uranium rounds that tears the flesh of the wicked backward people who live there, leaving their offspring as mutants, soldiers working to destroy everything in their path, with only the screams of terror being heard from the endless assault, for like, I don't know, ten farking years.
2013-03-24 09:02:05 AM  
5 votes:
Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.
2013-03-24 01:43:55 AM  
5 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.


I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.
2013-03-24 06:10:23 AM  
4 votes:
Am I the only one who is thinking "who would want to go to that backwards-ass shiathole anyway?"
2013-03-24 05:41:31 AM  
4 votes:
In all dealings with Saudi Arabia, it should be remembered that this is a country that proudly places their tool of execution on the national flag.

Honestly, we should never have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq; we should have invaded Saudi Arabia.
2013-03-24 07:41:51 AM  
3 votes:
Vanity Fair had a story about tourism to Saudi Arabia a couple years back and the people in charge of tourism have to be the most clueless people I've ever come across. It's like they can't even conceive of what tourism is, let alone why they should promote it. Sad thing is, your average Saudi is likely to be a wonderful person, who happens to be stuck being ruled by people who have an almost comical lack of clue when it comes to ruling a nation. Forget the religious stuff, when it comes to ruling it's like someone gave a country to an eighth grade student government.
2013-03-24 06:51:10 AM  
3 votes:
As someone who lived there for over a decade, I had a great time visiting some unforgettable sites and doing things many would consider impossible based on the limited knowledge many have of the country.  To list a few: driving dune bugs through beautiful sand dunes by the beach, surfing, hiking, visiting old souks where it seems like time is stopped because of archaic practices, camping out in the desert, etc...

I'm the first person to biatch about women not being able to drive, political and religious motivated sermons that promote extremism in the mosques, public executions, the treatment of Asian laborers, strict business and visa requirements for foreigners, among other things.  But I have fond memories of how Saudi was prior to Desert Storm and I do my best to not judge it based on the religious extremists who seem dead set against any form of progress.

I'll most likely never be able to return and visit the place I grew up in but I had a perfect childhood there. It allowed me to live like a typical American child growing up in the 80s but it also allowed me an exposure to many cultures that would preclude me from spewing some of the crap I'm reading in this thread. I just wish our media wasn't so biased towards that region of the world that it's convinced some of you a country deserves bombing simply because of a small group of morons. You don't see me wanting to bomb all of Kansas because of the Westboro Church douchebags.
2013-03-24 06:17:08 AM  
3 votes:
Been there several times for work-- it is my favorite place to leave.


There is no such thing as a KSA tourist visa.

All this aside, even Saudis hate Saudi Arabia. Smart ones were educated in the US or UK.
2013-03-24 06:04:19 AM  
3 votes:

log_jammin: because one of two things would have to happen. They either let the western women do what ever the men are allowed to do, which would get their women asking "If they can, why can't we?". Or they make western women obey the same laws as their women, which would open them up to some huge international incidents when someone either purposefully disobeys, or does something illegal in ignorance.


These.

And Western women would go, and would disobey in droves, both on purpose and from total ignorance and because "Hey, we're spending $$$$$ in your freaking country, you better let me drive a f*** car!" and Saudi Arabia would be dragged kicking and screaming into the mid-20th century. The rulers know it, the imams damn well know it, and that's why they'd rather not have western tourists.

And in a few more decades when the oil starts to run dry, it will be Dubai and the Emirates that get the tourist traffic and Saudi will return to a deserted tribal wasteland. Best thing for them, really.
2013-03-24 08:11:56 PM  
2 votes:

atomicmask: xcv: For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.

The religion is extremists. The extremist in islam are the ones who do not follow it and are more westernized. The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.


Except that it isn't true.

Most muslims do not want to chop off anyone's head. Saying otherwise is like saying all Americans are loud mouthed, ignorant, obese, gun toting war mongers. In other words it's bigoted bullshiat.
2013-03-24 01:56:38 PM  
2 votes:

Happy Hours: lumiere: As someone who lived there for over a decade, I had a great time visiting some unforgettable sites and doing things many would consider impossible based on the limited knowledge many have of the country.  To list a few: driving dune bugs through beautiful sand dunes by the beach, surfing, hiking, visiting old souks where it seems like time is stopped because of archaic practices, camping out in the desert, etc...

I'm the first person to biatch about women not being able to drive, political and religious motivated sermons that promote extremism in the mosques, public executions, the treatment of Asian laborers, strict business and visa requirements for foreigners, among other things.  But I have fond memories of how Saudi was prior to Desert Storm and I do my best to not judge it based on the religious extremists who seem dead set against any form of progress.

I'll most likely never be able to return and visit the place I grew up in but I had a perfect childhood there. It allowed me to live like a typical American child growing up in the 80s but it also allowed me an exposure to many cultures that would preclude me from spewing some of the crap I'm reading in this thread. I just wish our media wasn't so biased towards that region of the world that it's convinced some of you a country deserves bombing simply because of a small group of morons. You don't see me wanting to bomb all of Kansas because of the Westboro Church douchebags.

Ummm. - if you grew up in Saudi Arabia during the '80s how do you know what it was like to grow up in the US during the '80s?

I'm not saying we should bomb Saudi Arabia. They're a little farked up is all. Yeah, the US is farked up too, just in different ways.


Complicated to explain but I was born here and then moved to Saudi where I attended an American School a stone's throw from the Consulate.  The school catered to a very diverse student group but was all American system and most of my friends were other Americans who came with their expatriate fathers. And every summer for three months was spent back here in the US. But in Saudi, we still had American cartoons, movie theaters, garbage pail kids cards, etc. Granted, Coca Cola and good American candy were banned in Saudi for a good part of the 80s but that ban was lifted, and there's very little I did differently than your average kiddo growing up to 80s music, Guns n Roses posters, leg warmers (in that heat) jelly bracelets, and fast food.

Yes, Saudi is farked up in more ways then one but for me it's very easy to understand why.  To quote Oscar Wilde's quote:

"America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between."

With Saudi it's a million times worse because their issues were compounded with Wahabism, a demented form of religion, tribal and religious intolerance (shiates vs Sunnis in addition to not allowing others to practice Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism), ignorance and a general fear of plunging themselves into Western ideas too fast.

The Saudis brought expatriates from all over the world to do jobs they were not trained or qualified to do and had a plan of Saudization, expecting to kick foreigners out once their own people were trained to take over. It's 2013 and that plan has not gone well.  As someone said previously in this thread, things go VERY slow over there but the numerous wars in the region since the 70s may have contributed to that as well.
2013-03-24 11:09:39 AM  
2 votes:

Tellingthem: I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


Clubs? LOL Public life is not even remotely like public life in the civilized world. There are no clubs in Saudi Arabia. No bars, no movie theaters, no discos. Restaurant seating is divided into "Men's area" and "Family area," with women only being allowed to sit in the latter. Accompanied by their male relatives and children, of course. If a restaurant is too small, there is no "Family area" and women are not allowed to eat there at all. That's just one small reason why Saudi is not a good place to visit, especially if you're female.

/was there for Desert Storm, and still disgruntled about Saudi culture.
//The food was excellent, though.
///Best stargazing ever.
2013-03-24 08:40:06 AM  
2 votes:
The House of Saud has been in trouble for awhile; they just keep it well-hidden.
2013-03-24 07:03:54 AM  
2 votes:
Archaic criminal justice system.
Overtly sexist family law system
Overtly sexist laws, period.
Foreigners protections based on the concept of dhimmitude
Nothing of significant world historical import (gotta go to Egypt for the Pyramids, or the remains of the library at Alexandria for that)
Of course, you can visit the site where <a data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls%27_ school_fire" data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls%27 _school_fire">the scores of girls were beaten back into the burning building by the police because they weren't dressed modestly enough to be on  the street while their dormitory burned.
2013-03-24 06:17:10 AM  
2 votes:

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Am I the only one who is thinking "who would want to go to that backwards-ass shiathole anyway?"


Yep. Hell most Muslims don't want shiat to do with them but they are in control of Mecca so they have to play nice.
2013-03-24 05:52:53 AM  
2 votes:

Tellingthem: I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


Many of the old, dusty things in China are in the middle of the cities. Just saying.

/also like the way some of the new buildings incorporate new and old
//haven't been there since the 90s
GBB
2013-03-24 05:47:34 AM  
2 votes:
NEW?   This has ALWAYS been their tourist slogan.
2013-03-24 05:38:59 AM  
2 votes:

Tellingthem: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.

I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


We have clubs, beaches, and all that crap here.  I'm with you, bring on the ancient historical sites.
2013-03-24 01:51:49 AM  
2 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.


I feel slightly bad trying to time my hajj during a time when it's the least hot time if the year there. I'm surprised more people don't drop dead during it. Either that, or I'll go one year where Ramadan fasting isn't 16 hours long.

I've met many Saudis and they're all very nice. But besides being mandated by my faith, i don't have any want to visit....mainly because of the public executions and the fact that women can't drive.
2013-03-24 09:36:04 PM  
1 votes:

kg2095: Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.

Your boss sounds gutless. I would have failed the bastards even if it cost me my job. I have no dependents whereas you may have so I can understand why you may have passed them as instructed.


I have no dependents either but unfortunately, it wasn't my call. Cultural differences aside, it was a supporting science course and these students were civil engineering students. As an engineer, I was hoping these people to be weeded out. Reports from other students that these guys have been cheating their way through everything. But no one would fail these students or dismiss them because of the cultural differences. They didn't want to start a problem. So the buck is passed and they get an engineering degree. Irritates me to no end.
2013-03-24 08:03:49 PM  
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.


Your boss sounds gutless. I would have failed the bastards even if it cost me my job. I have no dependents whereas you may have so I can understand why you may have passed them as instructed.
2013-03-24 06:13:06 PM  
1 votes:
Bunch of saud students in my classes. IF they show up to class at all, they usually have no idea what the hell is going on, and disrupt class to no end. they have been caught cheating, but they give the university to much money to boot then out, so they just fail the class and are forced to retake the class. The university knows a cash cow when they see it. So in 20 years, when the saudi students finally figure out that the universities have been fleecing them, perhaps then they'll wise up. I doubt it, though.
2013-03-24 03:54:01 PM  
1 votes:
randomjsa: This is a country that treats women as badly as Michael Vick treats animals, why the HELL would you go there?

$$$

And just as a side note, if you get in to any sort of accident while you're there... It's your fault. Legally park a car and somebody who is a citizen runs in to it? That's your fault according to their laws.

In other middle eastern countries I've lived in this isn't that big a deal as long as you don't try to fight the system. Go along with it, let your insurance company cough up for repairs and damages and get on with your life.
2013-03-24 03:25:52 PM  
1 votes:
OK.

/Wasn't planning on a visit anyway.
//Too Jewish.
2013-03-24 03:03:25 PM  
1 votes:

dr-shotgun: Honestly, we should never have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq; we should have invaded Saudi Arabia.


Well, the Saudis who attacked us were operating out of Afghanistan.  On the theory that everyone has to be somewhere, we should have demonstrated that any nation that hosts terrorists who attack the US will be obliterated.  But yeah, the lie that Saudi Arabia is an "ally" has to end.
2013-03-24 02:29:04 PM  
1 votes:
This is a country that treats women as badly as Michael Vick treats animals, why the HELL would you go there?

And just as a side note, if you get in to any sort of accident while you're there... It's your fault. Legally park a car and somebody who is a citizen runs in to it? That's your fault according to their laws.
2013-03-24 01:19:00 PM  
1 votes:

Tellingthem: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.

I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


I've been to China twice now for a sum total of slightly over a month.  Sadly, most of the historical stuff is now surrounded in a sea of urbanization.  My wife's from Beijing, so we spent most of our time there.  We went to Xi'an and saw the Terracotta Warriors, which was cool.  I'm hoping for a side trip to Mongolia next time we go.
2013-03-24 12:08:31 PM  
1 votes:

xcv: For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.


The religion is extremists. The extremist in islam are the ones who do not follow it and are more westernized. The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.
2013-03-24 11:54:06 AM  
1 votes:

ChubbyTiger: Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.

You realise that your profile just melted down? I do not understand why department chairs and deans try so hard to avoid failing people who deserve it.

First time I catch academic dishonesty, it's a zero for the assignment. Second time it's a zero for the course and a referral to a disciplinary committee. Thankfully, no one ever got to step two.


I do a similar thing for academic dishonesty, but I know some of my colleagues don't. I regularly fail students, and the woman (yes, woman) in control of their academic scholarships gets mad at them, not me. In 7 years (including summers) I have only had problems with 4 students in regard to respect. Most of them are very nice and respectful, though many lazy and entitled.
xcv
2013-03-24 11:34:48 AM  
1 votes:
For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.
2013-03-24 10:21:07 AM  
1 votes:
Gyrfalcon:

And Western women would go, and would disobey in droves, both on purpose and from total ignorance and because "Hey, we're spending $$$$$ in your freaking country, you better let me drive a f*** car!" and Saudi Arabian police would dragged them kicking and screaming into the mid-20th 15th century prisons and/orhave them lashed which would strain diplomatic relations with Western nations. The rulers know it, the imams damn well know it, and that's why they'd rather not have western tourists.

FTFY. Westerners are not above the low in most middle eastern countries unless they are bringing in literally boatloads of cash and are on good terms with the local royalty. A lot of westerners find this out the hard way.
2013-03-24 10:03:51 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah we should have invaded them, considering the nationalities of the insane murders who started the 'war on terror' (or the 'war on freedom', depending on your perspective.)

I will not visit Saudi Arabia or Dubai both of those countries stink.

Bit like I cannot understand why the Chinese can buy land in my country but I cannot buy land in theirs, I do not understand why we allow tourists (or students) from these countries.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander (or not.)
2013-03-24 09:49:22 AM  
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.


You realise that your profile just melted down? I do not understand why department chairs and deans try so hard to avoid failing people who deserve it.

First time I catch academic dishonesty, it's a zero for the assignment. Second time it's a zero for the course and a referral to a disciplinary committee. Thankfully, no one ever got to step two.
2013-03-24 09:34:37 AM  
1 votes:
Backwards Islamic nations who enforce morality with capital punishment can go stew in their own poverty and ignorance, while the wealthy oil sultans rule the country with an iron fist. That leaves out almost the entire Middle East.
2013-03-24 09:18:14 AM  
1 votes:
Having worked in Saudi for a few years in the late 70's and early 80,s, I would advise any sane person; not on a religious pilgrimage to lose any thought of visiting the least hospitable most culturally backward  spot on the planet. While I met some Saudis that were very pleasant, most sneered at you as a filthy infidel. Everything there is geared to assuring you will enjoy NOTHING. On my first arrival I thought they should put a sign out that said "THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS IS NO!"
2013-03-24 09:15:00 AM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.


My aunt and uncle went a couple of years ago.  My uncle's a civil engineer, and did a lot of work there in the late 1960s and early 1970s, when the oil money was starting to pour in and the Saudis started building a modern state (and also before the fundamentalists took control of all things political and religious).

My aunt is the very definition of a liberated, modern woman, and I couldn't understand why she wanted to go.  She explained that she wanted to see the things her husband had helped build before they met, which makes sense to me.  They ended up booking a package tour, as it was the only easy way to deal with all the rules and restrictions on non-pilgrim tourists, which had to be hard for them, as the two of them haves traveled all over the world on their own.
2013-03-24 08:53:24 AM  
1 votes:
Wait until the oil runs out, they'll have PR guys all over the world trying to drum up some tourists.
2013-03-24 08:33:51 AM  
1 votes:

big pig peaches: Hey, stop badmouthing our allies "allies".


FIFY.

/ "frenemy" would also be acceptable
2013-03-24 07:38:36 AM  
1 votes:
I've been to Jeddah for a job interview. Saw the aftermath of a horrible car wreck. Guy was ejected. People were gathered around stealing his shoes and rifling through the car.

I'll gladly stay away.
2013-03-24 07:04:56 AM  
1 votes:
Let's not go there. T'is a silly place.
2013-03-24 06:38:42 AM  
1 votes:
I hear North Korea is beautiful at this time of year!
2013-03-24 06:20:32 AM  
1 votes:
i.qkme.me

Saudi Minister of Tourism?
2013-03-24 06:06:42 AM  
1 votes:

Tellingthem: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.

I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


If I had an unlimited supply of money and could spend the rest of my life constantly touring the world, I think I could skip Saudi Arabia. One could probably spend a lifetime just touring China.

And even if I converted to Islam and went on hajj, I somehow don't think I would feel very welcome there.
2013-03-24 05:41:44 AM  
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EmmaLou: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.

I feel slightly bad trying to time my hajj during a time when it's the least hot time if the year there. I'm surprised more people don't drop dead during it. Either that, or I'll go one year where Ramadan fasting isn't 16 hours long.

I've met many Saudis and they're all very nice. But besides being mandated by my faith, i don't have any want to visit....mainly because of the public executions and the fact that women can't drive.


You have a different definition of "very nice" than I do.
2013-03-24 05:01:55 AM  
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because one of two things would have to happen. They either let the western women do what ever the men are allowed to do, which would get their women asking "If they can, why can't we?". Or they make western women obey the same laws as their women, which would open them up to some huge international incidents when someone either purposefully disobeys, or does something illegal in ignorance.
2013-03-24 03:24:27 AM  
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The Saudis don't like head-strong American tourists with the ability to have their Government pull a strong political pressure on the House of Saud when they decide to bend that American over and fark them right up the ass with a sword.

They prefer to take their slave labor indentured servants foreign workers and "visitors" from countries which don't really give two shiats if they get railroaded through a legal system designed at every turn to fark them.
 
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