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2013-03-24 10:03:51 AM  
Yeah we should have invaded them, considering the nationalities of the insane murders who started the 'war on terror' (or the 'war on freedom', depending on your perspective.)

I will not visit Saudi Arabia or Dubai both of those countries stink.

Bit like I cannot understand why the Chinese can buy land in my country but I cannot buy land in theirs, I do not understand why we allow tourists (or students) from these countries.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander (or not.)
 
2013-03-24 10:05:59 AM  

lumiere: As someone who lived there for over a decade, I had a great time visiting some unforgettable sites and doing things many would consider impossible based on the limited knowledge many have of the country.  To list a few: driving dune bugs through beautiful sand dunes by the beach, surfing, hiking, visiting old souks where it seems like time is stopped because of archaic practices, camping out in the desert, etc...

I'm the first person to biatch about women not being able to drive, political and religious motivated sermons that promote extremism in the mosques, public executions, the treatment of Asian laborers, strict business and visa requirements for foreigners, among other things.  But I have fond memories of how Saudi was prior to Desert Storm and I do my best to not judge it based on the religious extremists who seem dead set against any form of progress.

I'll most likely never be able to return and visit the place I grew up in but I had a perfect childhood there. It allowed me to live like a typical American child growing up in the 80s but it also allowed me an exposure to many cultures that would preclude me from spewing some of the crap I'm reading in this thread. I just wish our media wasn't so biased towards that region of the world that it's convinced some of you a country deserves bombing simply because of a small group of morons. You don't see me wanting to bomb all of Kansas because of the Westboro Church douchebags.


Ummm. - if you grew up in Saudi Arabia during the '80s how do you know what it was like to grow up in the US during the '80s?

I'm not saying we should bomb Saudi Arabia. They're a little farked up is all. Yeah, the US is farked up too, just in different ways.
 
2013-03-24 10:21:07 AM  
Gyrfalcon:

And Western women would go, and would disobey in droves, both on purpose and from total ignorance and because "Hey, we're spending $$$$$ in your freaking country, you better let me drive a f*** car!" and Saudi Arabian police would dragged them kicking and screaming into the mid-20th 15th century prisons and/orhave them lashed which would strain diplomatic relations with Western nations. The rulers know it, the imams damn well know it, and that's why they'd rather not have western tourists.

FTFY. Westerners are not above the low in most middle eastern countries unless they are bringing in literally boatloads of cash and are on good terms with the local royalty. A lot of westerners find this out the hard way.
 
2013-03-24 10:52:15 AM  
NO PROBLEM!!!!
 
2013-03-24 11:09:39 AM  

Tellingthem: I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


Clubs? LOL Public life is not even remotely like public life in the civilized world. There are no clubs in Saudi Arabia. No bars, no movie theaters, no discos. Restaurant seating is divided into "Men's area" and "Family area," with women only being allowed to sit in the latter. Accompanied by their male relatives and children, of course. If a restaurant is too small, there is no "Family area" and women are not allowed to eat there at all. That's just one small reason why Saudi is not a good place to visit, especially if you're female.

/was there for Desert Storm, and still disgruntled about Saudi culture.
//The food was excellent, though.
///Best stargazing ever.
 
2013-03-24 11:12:04 AM  
HASSAN CHOP!
 
xcv
2013-03-24 11:34:48 AM  
For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.
 
2013-03-24 11:42:21 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.


Didn't mean to break a rule.
s21.postimg.org
 
2013-03-24 11:54:06 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.

You realise that your profile just melted down? I do not understand why department chairs and deans try so hard to avoid failing people who deserve it.

First time I catch academic dishonesty, it's a zero for the assignment. Second time it's a zero for the course and a referral to a disciplinary committee. Thankfully, no one ever got to step two.


I do a similar thing for academic dishonesty, but I know some of my colleagues don't. I regularly fail students, and the woman (yes, woman) in control of their academic scholarships gets mad at them, not me. In 7 years (including summers) I have only had problems with 4 students in regard to respect. Most of them are very nice and respectful, though many lazy and entitled.
 
2013-03-24 12:08:31 PM  

xcv: For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.


The religion is extremists. The extremist in islam are the ones who do not follow it and are more westernized. The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.
 
2013-03-24 12:37:50 PM  

dr-shotgun: In all dealings with Saudi Arabia, it should be remembered that this is a country that proudly places their tool of execution on the national flag.

Honestly, we should never have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq; we should have invaded Saudi Arabia.


You mean one of the countries where some of the 9/11 highjackers actually came from?

The hell you say!
 
2013-03-24 01:19:00 PM  

Tellingthem: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless you're on a hajj, I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Seriously, I've been there, and it's sand, heat, and a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense to the average tourist yet will get you in serious shiat if you break them.

That part of the world is best avoided, and is hardly an ideal place for you to relax and unwind.

I would love to go there for the historical things. Same with places like China. I really don't care about fancy cities, clubs, beaches, or any of that. But old dusty things that were built ages ago interest me greatly. So for me that would be amazing.


I've been to China twice now for a sum total of slightly over a month.  Sadly, most of the historical stuff is now surrounded in a sea of urbanization.  My wife's from Beijing, so we spent most of our time there.  We went to Xi'an and saw the Terracotta Warriors, which was cool.  I'm hoping for a side trip to Mongolia next time we go.
 
2013-03-24 01:56:38 PM  

Happy Hours: lumiere: As someone who lived there for over a decade, I had a great time visiting some unforgettable sites and doing things many would consider impossible based on the limited knowledge many have of the country.  To list a few: driving dune bugs through beautiful sand dunes by the beach, surfing, hiking, visiting old souks where it seems like time is stopped because of archaic practices, camping out in the desert, etc...

I'm the first person to biatch about women not being able to drive, political and religious motivated sermons that promote extremism in the mosques, public executions, the treatment of Asian laborers, strict business and visa requirements for foreigners, among other things.  But I have fond memories of how Saudi was prior to Desert Storm and I do my best to not judge it based on the religious extremists who seem dead set against any form of progress.

I'll most likely never be able to return and visit the place I grew up in but I had a perfect childhood there. It allowed me to live like a typical American child growing up in the 80s but it also allowed me an exposure to many cultures that would preclude me from spewing some of the crap I'm reading in this thread. I just wish our media wasn't so biased towards that region of the world that it's convinced some of you a country deserves bombing simply because of a small group of morons. You don't see me wanting to bomb all of Kansas because of the Westboro Church douchebags.

Ummm. - if you grew up in Saudi Arabia during the '80s how do you know what it was like to grow up in the US during the '80s?

I'm not saying we should bomb Saudi Arabia. They're a little farked up is all. Yeah, the US is farked up too, just in different ways.


Complicated to explain but I was born here and then moved to Saudi where I attended an American School a stone's throw from the Consulate.  The school catered to a very diverse student group but was all American system and most of my friends were other Americans who came with their expatriate fathers. And every summer for three months was spent back here in the US. But in Saudi, we still had American cartoons, movie theaters, garbage pail kids cards, etc. Granted, Coca Cola and good American candy were banned in Saudi for a good part of the 80s but that ban was lifted, and there's very little I did differently than your average kiddo growing up to 80s music, Guns n Roses posters, leg warmers (in that heat) jelly bracelets, and fast food.

Yes, Saudi is farked up in more ways then one but for me it's very easy to understand why.  To quote Oscar Wilde's quote:

"America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between."

With Saudi it's a million times worse because their issues were compounded with Wahabism, a demented form of religion, tribal and religious intolerance (shiates vs Sunnis in addition to not allowing others to practice Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism), ignorance and a general fear of plunging themselves into Western ideas too fast.

The Saudis brought expatriates from all over the world to do jobs they were not trained or qualified to do and had a plan of Saudization, expecting to kick foreigners out once their own people were trained to take over. It's 2013 and that plan has not gone well.  As someone said previously in this thread, things go VERY slow over there but the numerous wars in the region since the 70s may have contributed to that as well.
 
2013-03-24 02:29:04 PM  
This is a country that treats women as badly as Michael Vick treats animals, why the HELL would you go there?

And just as a side note, if you get in to any sort of accident while you're there... It's your fault. Legally park a car and somebody who is a citizen runs in to it? That's your fault according to their laws.
 
2013-03-24 03:03:25 PM  

dr-shotgun: Honestly, we should never have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq; we should have invaded Saudi Arabia.


Well, the Saudis who attacked us were operating out of Afghanistan.  On the theory that everyone has to be somewhere, we should have demonstrated that any nation that hosts terrorists who attack the US will be obliterated.  But yeah, the lie that Saudi Arabia is an "ally" has to end.
 
2013-03-24 03:06:47 PM  

edmo: You know what the business community thinks of you? They think that a hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other's heads off and that's where you'll be in another hundred years


That was a good scene in the movie and it's true. For people who brag about how much money they have they are way behind the times when it comes to being up with developed worlds.
 
2013-03-24 03:17:42 PM  
Lets play touch the meteorite.
www.ynaija.com
 
2013-03-24 03:25:52 PM  
OK.

/Wasn't planning on a visit anyway.
//Too Jewish.
 
2013-03-24 03:31:21 PM  
I don't have a problem with this at all, and all the "rag heads",  "towell heads", or since they are small folded sheets on there heads, and "sheet heads" can go back to where they came from as well. Or turn the whole place into a dead zone with a nuke in every city. Those people have been fighting since the dawn of time and know nothing else, so leave them to it, and leave them alone.
 
2013-03-24 03:37:10 PM  

theBigBigEye: BalugaJoe: I would rather go on vacation to Nazi Germany.

Over 70 years too late.

I'd visit North Korea before visiting the culturally and politically unstable pile of crazy that is Saudi Arabia.


At least North Koreans will drink with you.
 
2013-03-24 03:54:01 PM  
randomjsa: This is a country that treats women as badly as Michael Vick treats animals, why the HELL would you go there?

$$$

And just as a side note, if you get in to any sort of accident while you're there... It's your fault. Legally park a car and somebody who is a citizen runs in to it? That's your fault according to their laws.

In other middle eastern countries I've lived in this isn't that big a deal as long as you don't try to fight the system. Go along with it, let your insurance company cough up for repairs and damages and get on with your life.
 
2013-03-24 05:17:37 PM  
We have enough trouble with conservatives here in the US where normal people keep them in check. In Saudi Arabia they have total control.
 
2013-03-24 05:49:51 PM  

atomicmask: xcv: For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.

The religion is extremists. The extremist in islam are the ones who do not follow it and are more westernized. The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.


Ah. I see FARK's resident kook has come to shiat on the thread.
 
2013-03-24 06:13:06 PM  
Bunch of saud students in my classes. IF they show up to class at all, they usually have no idea what the hell is going on, and disrupt class to no end. they have been caught cheating, but they give the university to much money to boot then out, so they just fail the class and are forced to retake the class. The university knows a cash cow when they see it. So in 20 years, when the saudi students finally figure out that the universities have been fleecing them, perhaps then they'll wise up. I doubt it, though.
 
2013-03-24 06:49:42 PM  

atomicmask: xcv: For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.

The religion is extremists. The extremist in islam are the ones who do not follow it and are more westernized. The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.


Oh please do send some of what you are smoking my way! I too would like to be completely and utterly disconnected with reality.
 
2013-03-24 08:03:49 PM  

Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.


Your boss sounds gutless. I would have failed the bastards even if it cost me my job. I have no dependents whereas you may have so I can understand why you may have passed them as instructed.
 
2013-03-24 08:11:56 PM  

atomicmask: xcv: For centuries extremists in that region waged a campaign to destroy early Islamic historical sites to prevent them from being venerated by religious pilgrims or to stop these locations from becoming powerful symbols for alternative forms of Islam. Even in Mecca and Medina, quite a number of these sites have come under attack and have already been destroyed. I can't imagine pre-Islamic pagan sites have it any better.

The religion is extremists. The extremist in islam are the ones who do not follow it and are more westernized. The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.


Except that it isn't true.

Most muslims do not want to chop off anyone's head. Saying otherwise is like saying all Americans are loud mouthed, ignorant, obese, gun toting war mongers. In other words it's bigoted bullshiat.
 
2013-03-24 08:28:15 PM  
Too, not to. You know where.
 
2013-03-24 09:36:04 PM  

kg2095: Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.

Your boss sounds gutless. I would have failed the bastards even if it cost me my job. I have no dependents whereas you may have so I can understand why you may have passed them as instructed.


I have no dependents either but unfortunately, it wasn't my call. Cultural differences aside, it was a supporting science course and these students were civil engineering students. As an engineer, I was hoping these people to be weeded out. Reports from other students that these guys have been cheating their way through everything. But no one would fail these students or dismiss them because of the cultural differences. They didn't want to start a problem. So the buck is passed and they get an engineering degree. Irritates me to no end.
 
2013-03-25 12:23:23 AM  
TFA:

"From the outside, I think, Saudi Arabia doesn't look like such a nice place. But once you are here, you fall in love. If more people could visit, they would better understand our country and our traditions."

Your traditions demanded that over a dozen schoolchildren be locked inside a building on fire and burn to death.  The only visit you need is a nuclear bomb.  There is absolutely nothing of your culture worth preserving.  Get farked by a rabid herd of swine and die.

No other country in the Middle East disgusts me, except that one.  Had I the money and time I would love to play tourist in any of them, except that one.  The literary history of the whole are is astounding.

To the people of the rest of the region, who are okay with kids escaping burning buildings even when random firemen are standing outside, السلام عليكم and peace out.
 
2013-03-25 12:24:31 AM  

over_and_done: No other country in the Middle East disgusts me, except that one.  Had I the money and time I would love to play tourist in any of them, except that one.  The literary history of the whole area is astounding.


FTFM.  Too sleepy.
 
2013-03-25 02:06:46 AM  
It's a great place for a romantic getaway.

melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-25 05:58:31 AM  

atomicmask: The Normal muslims are the ones who wanna chop off heads and kill infidels and rape western women. No amount of bullshiat hides the truth of this.


Speaking as someone with very many muslim colleagues; you're full of shiat.

i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-25 09:06:07 AM  

Coastalgrl: kg2095: Coastalgrl: Here is a true story for farkers.

I work at a University which has a high percentage of students from Saudia Arabia, Iran and Iraq. I'd say roughly 30% of the student body. I see women walking in groups in full burka or some variation there of daily. Throngs of males running around in high fashion with fast cars. Both sexes will stare and point at me. I suspect its the red hair flying in the breeze and pale skin. With way too much cologne. I had a Saudia Arabian student in my class who was having trouble but was working really hard. Had been in the US for several years and very Western-ized. He loved South Park and actually wanted to learn. Was fun to work with. In addition to him, there was a group of 5 students (I called them the Fab Five), three of which were brothers. None of them would not speak to me which made teaching hard. They would steal other students material and copy from it, intimidated myself and other students. This behavior continued all semester. I noticed that my Saudi friend stayed away from him. I finally asked him what the deal was and he said "I don't associate with those kind" referring to the other students. Conversation ended there. Will never forget that.

My boss told me to pass them since he didn't want any trouble. These students are getting degrees in English and can not even form a sentence in the language.

As much as I enjoy other cultures, if you aren't willing to respect mine in my own country, go home yourself.

Your boss sounds gutless. I would have failed the bastards even if it cost me my job. I have no dependents whereas you may have so I can understand why you may have passed them as instructed.

I have no dependents either but unfortunately, it wasn't my call. Cultural differences aside, it was a supporting science course and these students were civil engineering students. As an engineer, I was hoping these people to be weeded out. Reports from other students that these guys have been cheating their wa ...


Heh...buddy of mine was in the Air Force back in the 90's...they lost a few foreign national jet pilots in retardedly stupid training accidents for similar reasons.

Lost the jets they were in too, unfortunately.
 
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