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(IGN)   Ten reasons why Obi-Wan Kenobi was the worst Jedi ever   (ign.com) divider line 73
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2013-03-24 10:05:14 AM  
Star Wars is LOADED with plot holes (as many movies are!).

For a long time, the RPG source books, video games and extended universe served as a means of explaining those plot holes. But then the prequels came out and determined to provide Lucas's "official" explanations to questions that had already been largely resolved by the extended universe.

So now, the problem is that the official canon is stupid and once-great characters are now revealed to be the inevitable idiots they always were. And that gives IGN's "writers" the ability to post linkbait garbage to not only state the obvious, but also to prove what inevitable idiots THEY are.

Star Wars has become a circle of stupidity, thanks to those prequels.
 
2013-03-24 11:48:37 AM  

Gonz: grinding_journalist: making me realize how much I'm looking forward to introducing my yet-unborn son to Star Wars.

/starting with ANH, of course

ANH, ESB, TPM, AotC, RotS, RotJ. Show him the films in that order.

Think about it- it's the best way to preserve the narrative.


This. The cliffhanger of ESB leads to the backstory and you get the reveal of twins at the end of RotS to lead to RotJ
 
2013-03-24 12:00:28 PM  

grinding_journalist: The best thing about that "article" was the clip at the end of the son watching the ESB reveal, and making me realize how much I'm looking forward to introducing my yet-unborn son to Star Wars.

/starting with ANH, of course
//was unaware of the existence of other films than ESB/RotJ
///we'll manage to squeeze in some stick time on TIE Fighter/X-Wing


Let me validate you. My fiancee had never seen Star Wars, For those saying it's just for kids, she was thrilled by the reveal at the end of ESB. She had somehow managed to avoid knowing over a lifetime ANYTHING about it. Yes, your kid will love it.
 
2013-03-24 12:08:26 PM  

secularsage: Star Wars is LOADED with plot holes (as many movies are!).

For a long time, the RPG source books, video games and extended universe served as a means of explaining those plot holes. But then the prequels came out and determined to provide Lucas's "official" explanations to questions that had already been largely resolved by the extended universe.

So now, the problem is that the official canon is stupid and once-great characters are now revealed to be the inevitable idiots they always were. And that gives IGN's "writers" the ability to post linkbait garbage to not only state the obvious, but also to prove what inevitable idiots THEY are.

Star Wars has become a circle of stupidity, thanks to those prequels.


This. In short, the prequels answered all the questions nobody was asking, and made stupider answers out of stuff already taken care of. REALLY, the Stormtroopers are clones of Boba Fett's dad? Is that why Vader likes Fett or something? Why does everything revolved around Tattooine? I mean shiat, everything happens out there. Why do people not remember Jedi? It's only been 20 ye- you know fark it. Let's just say it made things dumber.
 
2013-03-24 12:55:21 PM  

schpanky: This. The cliffhanger of ESB leads to the backstory and you get the reveal of twins at the end of RotS to lead to RotJ


I kinda agree with you, but to a four year old, the "time jumping" might get a bit confusing, and my other worry is that since youth colors your memories with nostalgia, I'd rather his first exposure to Star Wars be the original trilogy, so that it's the first Star Wars he sees.
 
2013-03-24 01:22:04 PM  
A celibate, religious monk sucks at raising children? Ya don't say!
 
2013-03-24 02:51:32 PM  

Flint Ironstag: All these reasons come down to "Because Lucas just made it up as he went along" and then when he made the prequels just came up with any old plot to shoehorn characters in even though the original trilogy didn't even hint that they were connected.


Basically this. Most of these things have to do with the prequels, which as far as Obie Wan's backstory is concerned, has incredible inconsistencies with his portrayal and dialogue in the original trilogy.

A New Hope: "Anakin was a good friend"

All the Prequels: "Geez you're so annoying. Stop being so annoying."
 
2013-03-24 03:05:49 PM  

bifford: Most of these reasons are pretty damn weak.  I regarded Obi-Wan as overall a pretty competent Jedi.  His only major mistake in the film was not finishing off Anakin after cutting off his legs.  I understand why he was so distraught, but had he just stabbed Anakin through the heart he would have denied the Emperor his most powerful agent.


Anakin was helpless. If you go by the other films, striking down a defenceless person leads to the Dark Side. Anakin killing Dooku in cold blood showed he was on the path to the Dark Side. The Emperor wanted Luke to strike him down to convert him. Obi Wan could kill an enemy in combat but not slaughter one who was already defeated.
 
2013-03-24 04:00:12 PM  

Gordon Bennett: bifford: Most of these reasons are pretty damn weak.  I regarded Obi-Wan as overall a pretty competent Jedi.  His only major mistake in the film was not finishing off Anakin after cutting off his legs.  I understand why he was so distraught, but had he just stabbed Anakin through the heart he would have denied the Emperor his most powerful agent.

Anakin was helpless. If you go by the other films, striking down a defenceless person leads to the Dark Side. Anakin killing Dooku in cold blood showed he was on the path to the Dark Side. The Emperor wanted Luke to strike him down to convert him. Obi Wan could kill an enemy in combat but not slaughter one who was already defeated.


I got to thinking about this the other day:

Darth Vader was never really that evil.  Sure, he killed Dooku after Palpatine's triple-dog-dare, but when he faced Obi-Wan in the Death Star and the 'mentor' who had crippled him and left him to burn lowered his guard, Vader gave him a quick clean death and lightly stomped on his clothes.  True evil would have given Obi-Wan the same Monty Python's Black Knight treatment that Obi-Wan had given him and then dragged the bloodied corpse through the Death Star's hallways until he reached a trash furnace or something.  Eye for an eye and all that.
 
2013-03-24 05:16:54 PM  
Pratchett had the right idea about plot holes. Most can be explained away as meddling by the History Monks, and the rest are because of Quantum.
 
2013-03-24 05:29:53 PM  

Gordon Bennett: bifford: Most of these reasons are pretty damn weak.  I regarded Obi-Wan as overall a pretty competent Jedi.  His only major mistake in the film was not finishing off Anakin after cutting off his legs.  I understand why he was so distraught, but had he just stabbed Anakin through the heart he would have denied the Emperor his most powerful agent.

Anakin was helpless. If you go by the other films, striking down a defenceless person leads to the Dark Side. Anakin killing Dooku in cold blood showed he was on the path to the Dark Side. The Emperor wanted Luke to strike him down to convert him. Obi Wan could kill an enemy in combat but not slaughter one who was already defeated.


I really hate that trope. The whole "I killed legions of people who were a nominal threat in battle but killing a powerful enemy who got heavily maimed during combat who can be rehabilitated is somehow evil." As if killing a single stormtrooper, who is about as dangerous to a jedi as an army of farmers is to a lvl 35 Bhaalspawn, is somehow morally better than two more or less equally powerful warriors fighting to the death.


Slight spoiler warning.

That is why I am considering to stoo watching "once upon a time" the moron killed numerous enemy guards yet killing the person who killed your mother and simultaniously saving someone's life somehow caused the heart to be "darkened."
 
2013-03-24 06:06:34 PM  
Something I've noticed about Anakin and Luke is throughout their respective trilogies, they're both being manipulated. Anakin got manipulated by Palpatine, and Luke was manipulated by Obi-Wan and Yoda.

"Yeah, when exactly  were you guys going to tell me Darth Vader was my father?"
 
2013-03-24 08:41:39 PM  

DerAppie: I really hate that trope. The whole "I killed legions of people who were a nominal threat in battle but killing a powerful enemy who got heavily maimed during combat who can be rehabilitated is somehow evil."


Oh, I know it's irrational but this is one of the times in which I think Lucas did get it right in the prequels. Obi Wan had plenty of motivation to kill Anakin. Anakin had betrayed the Jedi, betrayed Obi Wan, helped kill Mace Windu, slaughtered the Jedi in the temple and assaulted Padme.

But to kill him for any of those while he lay helpless and, as he didn't know that Palpatine was on the way to rescue him and stick him in the Darth Vader suit no longer a credible threat to anyone, would have been out of anger and/or revenge. Yoda had already established in ESB that killing for those reasons led to the Dark Side. Anakin's revenge killing of the Tusken Raiders in AotC had been his first major step towards the Dark Side. Obi Wan couldn't be turned. He needed to be there to mentor Luke in ANH.

Which also, indidentally, is part of why that overdrawn, overblown lightsabre fight was such a failure in the first place. You know as soon as it begins that both will survive the encounter, which drains what little suspense hadn't already been ruined by the completely unreal, cartoonish over the top direction hadn't already destroyed.

I don't want to be in the position of defending a trilogy that I think was fatally flawed* to begin with, but as I said on this point I will.

*In brief, I think Lucas made a huge mistake early on in choosing whose story to tell. He wanted to make it about Luke's father. Which is fine, tell the tale of the father before the son. I think had he chosen it to be about Obi Wan, Luke's spiritual father rather than Anakin, it would have been much more focused and wasted far less time on the weakest parts such as the ridiculous adventures of Little Annie the appalling and embarrassing love story between Anakin and Padme and the long, dull chats with Palpatine.
 
2013-03-25 12:40:39 AM  
Meh, this author was just trying to stir controversy by saying stupid stuff.

Obi Wan's greatest mistake is that he does use the Dark side. He uses his anger to defeat Darth Maul. His anger over what Anakin did to become Darth Vader (killing the children) drove him to let DV suffer by being burnt alive. Probably in the interim between 3 and 4 Obi Wan figures out that DV coming about is his mistake, and so he vows to not let his anger get the best of him. That's also why he tries desperately to pull the wool over Luke's eyes, in a sense, by not only telling him that DV killed his father but also trying to convince him to not use his anger to fight DV in EPS.

I'm kinda surprised that he didn't kill Anakin when he was being a whiney Padawan. Obi's official backstory is even more depressing than Anakin's, in a sense, and yet he is still a badass.
 
2013-03-25 03:38:37 AM  

rogue49: 11.  He raised Anakin into the most whiny snot-nosed doucebag in the galaxy.


I can't blame you for not reading TFA after all the comments, but this one was in there at #3.
 
2013-03-25 08:47:12 AM  
All wrong. Obi Wan is the true hero of the entire series. He saved Amidala from Anakin. He stopped General Grievous. He sacrificed himself to get Luke on the proper path. Without him, Luke and Leia are never born and never lead the Rebellion to victory and the Emperor wins.
 
2013-03-25 10:05:49 AM  
My own gripe says just as much about the Empire as it does about Obi-wan, but here goes:

At the end of Episode 3, they hide the twins and get out of Dodge.  Yoda goes to Dagobah.  Antilles becomes a detective in NYC.  And Obi-wan goes to Vader's HOME PLANET to lay-low from the Empire.  But he's no chump, he's gonna disappear, so he changes his name ... to BEN Kenobi.  Yeah, that'll throw 'em off your scent.

VADER:  Lieutenant, have you located Obi-wan Kenobi?
LIEUTENANT:  Not yet, Lord Vader.  All we have found is that "BEN" Kenobi, living a few miles from where you grew up.
 
2013-03-25 10:08:56 AM  
Oh, and then there's Obi-Wan's "gotcha" to Anakin, during the big face off:

ANAKIN:  If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!
OBI-WAN:  Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

Disregard the irony of Obi-Wan's comeback for a minute and compare/contrast it with Yoda's "Try not!  Do; or do not.  There is no try."

My Jedi faith crisis is complete.
 
2013-03-25 10:09:29 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Anakin was helpless. If you go by the other films, striking down a defenceless person leads to the Dark Side.


And allowing a person to slowly, horribly burn to death, instead of giving them a quick and painless death? Where does that lead?

/yeah, he didn't actually die, but...
 
2013-03-25 11:45:24 AM  

shift_DAWG: Oh, and then there's Obi-Wan's "gotcha" to Anakin, during the big face off:

ANAKIN:  If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!
OBI-WAN:  Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

Disregard the irony of Obi-Wan's comeback for a minute and compare/contrast it with Yoda's "Try not!  Do; or do not.  There is no try."

My Jedi faith crisis is complete.


The Do or Do not quote is not talking about absolutes. Yoda was telling Luke not to "try" but to do it! Trying means you can half ass it and not use your full potential. Doing it means you put everything you got into it, even if you fail, you know you did what you could.

Anakin on the other hand, was dealing in absolutes. You are not with me, then you are against me. No middle ground which Obi Wan could of stood in as both Anakin's master and Anakin's brother. Anakin only saw black and white and no shades of grey.
 
2013-03-25 12:28:38 PM  
yves0010:
Anakin on the other hand, was dealing in absolutes. You are not with me, then you are against me. No middle ground which Obi Wan could of stood in as both Anakin's master and Anakin's brother. Anakin only saw black and white and No Shades of Grey.

Lucky him.
 
2013-03-25 02:52:18 PM  

shift_DAWG: Oh, and then there's Obi-Wan's "gotcha" to Anakin, during the big face off:

ANAKIN:  If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!
OBI-WAN:  Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

Disregard the irony of Obi-Wan's comeback for a minute and compare/contrast it with Yoda's "Try not!  Do; or do not.  There is no try."

My Jedi faith crisis is complete.


My eyes rolled back in my head at the time because it seemed like a very ham-fisted George w. Bush commentary "you're either with us or against us." And the response was equally lackluster "I shall do my best."
 
2013-03-26 11:01:56 AM  

Bondith: yves0010:
Anakin on the other hand, was dealing in absolutes. You are not with me, then you are against me. No middle ground which Obi Wan could of stood in as both Anakin's master and Anakin's brother. Anakin only saw black and white and No Shades of Grey.

Lucky him.


Wow... I did not even noticed I did that. Thank you for that. Needed a laugh this morning.
 
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