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2013-03-24 03:58:04 AM  

L.D. Ablo: For a source, rip everything and use something like an AppleTV to stream it to a DAC connected to your stereo. Most DACs are fine, even the cheap ones. That's a solved engineering problem. So are amplifiers. Well-made inexpensive solid state is fine.

However, you want to put some money into good speakers. They've really improved over the past 10-15 years thanks to advanced computer modeling. If someone wants to look at the state-of-the-art, check out Linkwitz' new LX521. Not cheap, but anyone with a moderate salary can afford them. They're better than the five and six-figure stuff, too. Those are mostly audio jewelry.


You're making it a lot less fun to hate on audiophiles, with your rationality, coherence and everything.
 
2013-03-24 06:14:57 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: The 8x interpolation feature is great for getting rid of those digital artefacts THAT ARE PRODUCED WELL ABOVE THE HIGHWAY FREQUENCY HUMANS CAN PERCEIVE AND WHICH ARE FILTERED OUT BY THE LOW PASS BEHAVIOUR OF YOUR SPEAKERS ANYWAY.


Harmonics, how do they work?
 
2013-03-24 06:55:24 AM  
I'm guessing this will work great - but I still have audio problems with my Linux installs.  Drives me crazy....like it's 1995 again.
 
2013-03-24 07:10:32 AM  

styckx: Who cares about Linux running it? What's the point except flaunting "Linux".. Linux runs embedded in a variety of shiat and has for a long ass time.. Why suddenly now it is a buzzword technology?


Because they are trying to sell a computer with a high end sound card and cdrom drive that someone could build for about $450 for $4,500 dollars. When you are trying to do fleecing like that you have to use all the buzzwords you can think of.
 
2013-03-24 07:11:09 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: wambu: I see lot's of adjectives and superlatives on that site.

I see an extra apostrophe.


All sizzle; no steak.  NO STEAK COMMA DAMMIT.
 
2013-03-24 07:15:40 AM  
It's useless. The colour doesn't match the feng shui of my living room.
 
2013-03-24 08:14:58 AM  
I have a 1917 Edison Phonograph. It does not require electricity, nor expensive oxygen free cables. Does not play Adele's latest hits, though. She would sound awesome coming through it's massive speaker cone.
 
2013-03-24 08:45:52 AM  
I know this....


i.imgur.com


It's a Linux system.
 
2013-03-24 09:12:55 AM  
Even Apple hasn't got the balls to try and sell something that mundane for that sort of price, that's impressive.

/I'll take two
 
2013-03-24 09:28:35 AM  
After spending 2 days trying to install ubuntu on an older machine and hitting wall of errors one after another, I'm now hoping that all Linux evangelists get a bad case of explosive hemorrhoids.

I've never seen an OS has so many freaking issues and just keeps refusing to install... I think I finally am getting it via a vitual box... but dang.. this has been an exercise in frustration.
 
2013-03-24 09:33:37 AM  

Glitchwerks: L.D. Ablo: You joke, but have you heard of  Brilliant Pebbles?  Look up Shakti Stones, the Clever Little Clock and Mpingo Discs, while you're at it.



LOL, no way!  Please tell me that's a joke.


Then you probably don't want to know the price for the high-fidelity celo-tape required to properly secure the magic beans to the sound hole.
 
2013-03-24 09:44:55 AM  

Farker Soze: Using a CD-ROM drive for playing CDs, the "Halo CD 1″ sucks in the CD's contents at 4x normal speed, giving its CPU time to detect and eliminate disc errors before outputting near-perfect audio.

Oh great, now teh CDs will sound even more sterile and unnatural.  Call me when they make a Lunix $10,000 turntable.  Real audiophiles need the warmth of vinyl.


Funny. On reading how this CD player outputs "near-prefect audio," my first thought was, so it reads the disc, reverses the over-compression, presses the reconstructed signal in to vinyl, and plays from an internal turntable?

The issue with multi-thousand dollar CD players that perfectly reproduce sound from the disc is the sound on the disc had been mixed and compressed horribly and doesn't deserve to be reproduced perfectly.
 
2013-03-24 09:49:56 AM  
Normal people listen to music. Audiophiles listen to their speakers.
 
2013-03-24 10:05:48 AM  

mcmnky: The issue with multi-thousand dollar CD players that perfectly reproduce sound from the disc is the sound on the disc had been mixed and compressed horribly and doesn't deserve to be reproduced perfectly.


CDs are not compressed, they are quantized.
 
2013-03-24 10:07:15 AM  
No wooden volume knob for those natural tones? NO SALE!
 
2013-03-24 10:09:33 AM  

L.D. Ablo: GreenAdder: This is basically my retirement plan. I'm going to just get a bunch of rocks and spraypaint them all orange. Then I'm going to have some "expert" come out and write articles in a bunch of music blogs. He'll write something like, "place a GreenAdder-brand orange rock on top of each piece of equipment. It gets rid of audio thetans."

Since audiophiles will pretty much buy anything as long as it's expensive and has a bunch of woo attached to it, I should have a few million dollars in no time.

Just as my orange rock supply is getting depleted, I'll pay my "expert" to reach out to the blogs again. "Orange rocks are still worthwhile," he'll write, "but the new GreenAdder-brand red pinecones are the newest in warding off equalization chupacabras."

You joke, but have you heard of  Brilliant Pebbles?  Look up Shakti Stones, the Clever Little Clock and Mpingo Discs, while you're at it.

I'll out myself as an audiophile here.  But I DIY my stuff and believe in science.

This CD player is ridiculous.  All those "advantages" are beyond the limits of human hearing.  A $29 DVD player from Wal-Mart will sound the same (assuming they're level-matched).

For a source, rip everything and use something like an AppleTV to stream it to a DAC connected to your stereo.  Most DACs are fine, even the cheap ones.  That's a solved engineering problem.  So are amplifiers.  Well-made inexpensive solid state is fine.

However, you want to put some money into good speakers.  They've really improved over the past 10-15 years thanks to advanced computer modeling.  If someone wants to look at the state-of-the-art, check out Linkwitz' new LX521.  Not cheap, but anyone with a moderate salary can afford them.  They're better than the five and six-figure stuff, too.  Those are mostly audio jewelry.


Well said.  Especially the DAC bits.  I was reading tfa and it was extolling such awesome 1990s era 8x oversampling and a THD that is probably .02% than an OTS player like you state at Target.

I was surprised that they didn't list interleaved data-prevents massive loss in ecc where conditions are less than ideal.  Or a faulty plug- for those times when you are just sure that Millicent has been on with the gardener again.  lol

/Thanks for the tip on the speakers.  I'll have to keep an eye out :)  Looking to upgrade my audio engineer rig of cast out components a bit as we are upgrading our living square footage finally yay :)
//will be able to turn the bass back up and occasionally get drunk to music without headphones.
///Neighborhood fishbowl= Aquarium lol.
 
2013-03-24 10:26:18 AM  

theorellior: L.D. Ablo: Look up Shakti Stones

I did, blinked, and then closed my browser. A fool and his money, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Reverend Monkeypants: Also also, upsampling a 44.1/16 CD to anything greater just gives you.... O nevermind.

My audio-loving self in 1995 is wondering where the 192KHz/48bit CDs are, now that it's 2013.


I think, much like not wanting to see all the newscasters pores when watching HDTV news, you may not want to hear it.
 
2013-03-24 10:45:46 AM  

fortunesmith: mcmnky: The issue with multi-thousand dollar CD players that perfectly reproduce sound from the disc is the sound on the disc had been mixed and compressed horribly and doesn't deserve to be reproduced perfectly.

CDs are not compressed, they are quantized.


I'm thinking dynamic range compression, not file size compression.
 
2013-03-24 11:35:15 AM  
www.wired.com

I'm sorry, why EXACTLY isn't this a Seabreacher thread now? Because this is now how I plan to go out in life. As the leader of a roving gang of sharkmariners (different trim option, the X model instead of pictured Y).
 
2013-03-24 12:50:15 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: I think, much like not wanting to see all the newscasters pores when watching HDTV news, you may not want to hear it.


I'm the guy who wants to hear the left-cheek sneak the third violinist tried to pull off during the quite movement of Beethoven's Fifth, I'd be okay with that.
 
2013-03-24 01:15:27 PM  

fortunesmith: mcmnky: The issue with multi-thousand dollar CD players that perfectly reproduce sound from the disc is the sound on the disc had been mixed and compressed horribly and doesn't deserve to be reproduced perfectly.

CDs are not compressed, they are quantized.


There are a couple of different meanings of "compression" being confused here. There's data compression (lossless like FLAC, or lossy like MP3, AAC, etc.), and there's dynamic range compression which can be applied to any audio signal, analog or digital. The latter boosts quiet passages and/or knocks down loud ones.

When used carefully and sparingly, dynamic range compression can be a good thing, but when it is used to make a recording sound louder than everyone else's it just sucks. Metallica's Death Magnetic and the Red Hot Chili Peppers' Californication are classic examples of recordings ruined by excessive dynamic range compression. On the other hand, a classical recording that is mostly quiet with a few loud peaks can sometimes benefit from a touch of compression - otherwise you might need a truly heroic stereo to bring out the quiet stuff out to proper listening level without blowing out your speakers on the peaks.
 
2013-03-24 01:51:13 PM  
I can't find the sources, but I remember once that somebody made a blind test to determine what was the best high-end cd player. The result was that the best was the...

Sony PlayStation One
 
2013-03-24 02:19:11 PM  

padraig: I can't find the sources, but I remember once that somebody made a blind test to determine what was the best high-end cd player. The result was that the best was the...

Sony PlayStation One


Not the best cd player, but maybe the best cd player *bargain*, when you only pay $5 at a thrift.  And not every PSOne, but the ones with RCA audio out.

"I expected one of those hip affordable products that sounds a little edgy or a little tinny, but gets the notes and beats really right. The truth was different. Sony's PlayStation 1 offered some of the least edgy, least tinny digital sound I've heard. And got the notes and beats really right.

Compared with the kind of performance I'm used to hearing from high-end CD players, the PS1 had a very un-hi-fi sound. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing will depend on your point of view. If certain other audio reviewers are right, it may even have to do with the time of day when you were born
.
I think it's a good thing. So does my wife, who thought the PS1 was consistently more engaging than any other digital player she's heard in a long time. If John DeVore doesn't mind, we're going to write him a check-the cost of shipping the player was about three times the cost of buying it-and we'll keep this PS1 for ourselves."

"During all this audio fun, my pal Pete Riggle stopped by with an audio underground digital favorite, the Sony Playstation 1 (Model No. SCPH-1001). I had heard rumors of just how good this particular version of the PS1 is when used as a CD player and was curious to give it a listen. This kid's video game player really does have outstanding audio performance. I'm guessing you'd have to spend more than $6000 on a one-box CD player to equal let alone better it."
 
2013-03-24 02:26:58 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: SB16


Everything you post gets exactly one vote for "smart" and for "funny" even though your posts are seldom either of these. You should create a few more alts to vote for yourself so it's not so obvious.
 
2013-03-24 08:29:58 PM  
L.D. Ablo:
You joke, but have you heard of  Brilliant Pebbles?  Look up Shakti Stones, the Clever Little Clock and Mpingo Discs, while you're at it.


Machina Dynamica is great, I have been looking through the whole site after I saw the pebbles. I am busting a gut. Only after I Googled the site did I realise that many people don't understand that it is satire. The 'Teleportation Tweak' is hilarious.

"The Teleportation Tweak has a profound effect on the sound and video picture: (1) Clearer, (2) More information, (3) Greater frequency extension and (4) Lower distortion.The Teleportation Tweak is obtained during a phone call to Machina Dynamicafrom your landline phone or cell phone; you can make the call from any room in your house. The audio or video system does not have to be ON at the time the call is made. The tweak itselftakes about 20 seconds and will sound like a series of mechanical pulses."
 
2013-03-24 09:08:43 PM  
spacebison.com
 
2013-03-24 09:10:50 PM  

GreenAdder: This is basically my retirement plan. I'm going to just get a bunch of rocks and spraypaint them all orange. Then I'm going to have some "expert" come out and write articles in a bunch of music blogs. He'll write something like, "place a GreenAdder-brand orange rock on top of each piece of equipment. It gets rid of audio thetans."

Since audiophiles will pretty much buy anything as long as it's expensive and has a bunch of woo attached to it, I should have a few million dollars in no time.

Just as my orange rock supply is getting depleted, I'll pay my "expert" to reach out to the blogs again. "Orange rocks are still worthwhile," he'll write, "but the new GreenAdder-brand red pinecones are the newest in warding off equalization chupacabras."


Shut up and take my money!
 
2013-03-24 09:34:42 PM  

lordargent: styckx: Who cares about Linux running it? What's the point except flaunting "Linux".

It's a codphrase to linux enthusiasts that it's hackable and/or DIYable.

// $4500? Ben Heck could slap one together from some spare xbox 360 parts.


Codphrase? Is that related to a codpiece in any way?
 
2013-03-25 08:20:36 AM  

the_rhino: the year of Linux on the walkman


Now that you mention it....
 
2013-03-25 10:00:22 AM  

Glitchwerks: American Decency Association: and Exact Audio Copy will re-read a section up to 82 times if necessary on error detection

That's what I came here to say.  EAC, store the files as FLAC, save yourself $4,500.


Meh.  If I don't spend $4500 on a CD player, I'm just going to blow it on a set of monogrammed his-n-hers titanium alloy can openers...
 
2013-03-25 10:08:45 AM  

GreenAdder: This is basically my retirement plan. I'm going to just get a bunch of rocks and spraypaint them all orange. Then I'm going to have some "expert" come out and write articles in a bunch of music blogs. He'll write something like, "place a GreenAdder-brand orange rock on top of each piece of equipment. It gets rid of audio thetans."

Since audiophiles will pretty much buy anything as long as it's expensive and has a bunch of woo attached to it, I should have a few million dollars in no time.

Just as my orange rock supply is getting depleted, I'll pay my "expert" to reach out to the blogs again. "Orange rocks are still worthwhile," he'll write, "but the new GreenAdder-brand red pinecones are the newest in warding off equalization chupacabras."


Pfft.  Audiophiles aren't going to buy orange spray-painted rocks.  It'll clash with their mahogony-paneled listening rooms.

I suggest a range of products, depending on the type of music being listened to.  Discs made from 1000-year-old Kauri wood from Australia are best for classical.  Jazz requires a dodecahedron sculpted from the finest British limestone, and rock/heavy metal enthusiasts should go for the amphorous blob of vintage 1970's slag from a Pittsburgh steel mill.
 
2013-03-25 07:19:13 PM  

CheekyMonkey: amphorous


Did you mean "amorphous"? "Amphorous" is the name for one of those two-handled, long-necked clay jars the ancient Egyptians loved.
 
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