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2013-03-23 07:48:53 PM
It's like rain on his wedding day.
 
2013-03-23 08:04:08 PM

Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?
 
2013-03-23 08:06:32 PM
Freedom: It's not for everybody.
 
2013-03-23 08:29:33 PM
I guess he got busy dying.
 
2013-03-23 08:30:13 PM

Atomic Spunk: I guess he got busy dying.


Done in 4

/Came here to post that. Work is done.
 
2013-03-23 08:30:21 PM
Probably ate at McDonalds on his first day out.
 
2013-03-23 08:30:36 PM
Is NYS one of the states that has a law on the books requiring payments to the wrongly convicted? If so, I'd make sure that autopsy is very thorough, including tests for toxic substances you wouldn't normally look for.
 
2013-03-23 08:32:04 PM

Radak: It's like rain on his wedding day.


He waited his whole damn life to take that flight, and as the plane crashed down he thought,
"Well, why not use the ironic tag..."
 
2013-03-23 08:32:11 PM
Uh, never mind that autopsy comment. Looks from TFA which I should really read before I post that he isn't ready to go on the cart quite yet.
 
2013-03-23 08:33:16 PM
Do you know what's sad?

We took care of his sorry ass for 23 years and now we have to pay for this?

/Window seat, bitte
 
2013-03-23 08:33:41 PM
That's what happens after 23 years of prison and visiting the strip club right after you get out.
 
2013-03-23 08:33:46 PM
Well..... I'm sure his insurance will cover everything so no worries.
 
2013-03-23 08:34:44 PM

doglover: Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?


The job of the DA isn't to determine guilt or innocence.  That's why we have Judges/Juries \.  Their job is to argue their case as best they can.
 
2013-03-23 08:37:35 PM
It sounds like his conviction was thrown out, not that he was exonerated.

I'm not saying that there's a chance that he's innocent, there very well may be. I just feel like it's a distinction that should be made.
 
2013-03-23 08:39:05 PM
What sucks even more is that these days real murderers often serve no more than half the time he served.  And, I doubt if anyone in law enforcement offered up a sincere apology.

/freedom's just another word...
//sure hope he has the time and good enough health to do some things he enjoys in life
 
2013-03-23 08:43:13 PM
I had to look closely at the picture in TFA before I saw he was kissing someone's head.  I thought he was doing a HNNNNNNG impression in the courtroom.
 
2013-03-23 08:45:09 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: doglover: Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?

The job of the DA isn't to determine guilt or innocence.  That's why we have Judges/Juries \.  Their job is to argue their case as best they can.


And with hold exculpatory evidence, lie and frame innocent people.

Worked in the system
 
2013-03-23 08:47:51 PM
Paramedics found this scrawled on the wall:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-23 08:50:17 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: doglover: Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?

The job of the DA isn't to determine guilt or innocence.  That's why we have Judges/Juries \.  Their job is to argue their case as best they can.


No, their job is help prosecute criminals by presenting a fair and accurate report to the judge and jury.

They shouldn't be rewarded for convictions, they should rewarded for accuracy. And consequently they should also be punished for willful inaccuracy and grabbing at straws. Far better if an actual murderer gets off for want of an aggressive DA than if an innocent man goes to jail for a crime he did not commit. Anyone who does not agree but works in law should be culled.
 
2013-03-23 08:53:21 PM
Over in one.

At least he didn't have to crawl through a river of shiat to come out clean on the other side.
 
2013-03-23 08:55:36 PM

doglover: They shouldn't be rewarded for convictions, they should rewarded for accuracy. And consequently they should also be punished for willful inaccuracy and grabbing at straws. Far better if an actual murderer gets off for want of an aggressive DA than if an innocent man goes to jail for a crime he did not commit. Anyone who does not agree but works in law should be culled.


That's how it should work. But, when the first thing you hear about a prosecutor is their conviction rate, that should be your clue it isn't how it does work.
 
2013-03-23 09:02:32 PM

KiwDaWabbit: doglover: They shouldn't be rewarded for convictions, they should rewarded for accuracy. And consequently they should also be punished for willful inaccuracy and grabbing at straws. Far better if an actual murderer gets off for want of an aggressive DA than if an innocent man goes to jail for a crime he did not commit. Anyone who does not agree but works in law should be culled.

That's how it should work. But, when the first thing you hear about a prosecutor is their conviction rate, that should be your clue it isn't how it does work.


And that's why you make examples of the worst of them. Punish prosecutors with improper convictions horrifically enough that those of weak moral character leave the field or stop trying to win. Reward the the super anal guys who are laser focused not on winning, but on the truth. Let the truth speak for itself and execute the shysters for treason.
 
2013-03-23 09:04:29 PM

doglover: And that's why you make examples of the worst of them. Punish prosecutors with improper convictions horrifically enough that those of weak moral character leave the field or stop trying to win. Reward the the super anal guys who are laser focused not on winning, but on the truth. Let the truth speak for itself and execute the shysters for treason.


I don't disagree with you, except for maybe the execution/treason thing.
 
2013-03-23 09:06:37 PM
You can't handle the freedom!!!
 
2013-03-23 09:08:13 PM

peterthx: Paramedics found this scrawled on the wall:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x331]


Life is what they sentence you to, and life is exactly what they take.
 
2013-03-23 09:09:20 PM
Institutionalized
 
2013-03-23 09:09:33 PM
Bummer. Almost (but not quite) beats the story about a guy who was killed in a car accident driving home from his retirement party.
 
2013-03-23 09:13:22 PM

KiwDaWabbit: doglover: And that's why you make examples of the worst of them. Punish prosecutors with improper convictions horrifically enough that those of weak moral character leave the field or stop trying to win. Reward the the super anal guys who are laser focused not on winning, but on the truth. Let the truth speak for itself and execute the shysters for treason.

I don't disagree with you, except for maybe the execution/treason thing.


It's high treason. People who work for the government and misuse that authority to cause great harm to private citizens for personal gain are basically a fifth column endangering the very fabric of society. It is no different in effectiveness than espionage and arguably far more damaging because right now we have no swift recourse against a dirty DA so they can continue to do dirty deeds for YEARS before they're caught and even then probably will never be punished. Treason is the perfect word for it.
 
2013-03-23 09:18:34 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: doglover: Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?

The job of the DA isn't to determine guilt or innocence.  That's why we have Judges/Juries \.  Their job is to argue their case as best they can.


It's also to ensure justice is done.  Intentionally convicting an innocent person is not doing justice.
 
2013-03-23 09:18:38 PM

doglover: KiwDaWabbit: doglover: And that's why you make examples of the worst of them. Punish prosecutors with improper convictions horrifically enough that those of weak moral character leave the field or stop trying to win. Reward the the super anal guys who are laser focused not on winning, but on the truth. Let the truth speak for itself and execute the shysters for treason.

I don't disagree with you, except for maybe the execution/treason thing.

It's high treason. People who work for the government and misuse that authority to cause great harm to private citizens for personal gain are basically a fifth column endangering the very fabric of society. It is no different in effectiveness than espionage and arguably far more damaging because right now we have no swift recourse against a dirty DA so they can continue to do dirty deeds for YEARS before they're caught and even then probably will never be punished. Treason is the perfect word for it.


Except that its not treason.

Treason is explicitly written in the Constitution. That is the only definition concerning law.
 
2013-03-23 09:20:15 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: doglover: Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?

The job of the DA isn't to determine guilt or innocence.  That's why we have Judges/Juries \.  Their job is to argue their case as best they can.



Yeah, that's the way "successful" DA's look at their "job", but that's why the most "successful" DA's are soulless scumbags.

They don't give a shiat as to whether the person on trial is actually guilty or innocent, the ONLY thing they care about is winning, and if (as is often the case) the defendant is stuck with some slimy, lazy, bottom of the barrel court-appointed schmuck for an attorney, he's farked.

Criminal court is not a chess game or a debate match. Someone's life hangs in the balance.

If prosecutors were held civilly (and where applicable CRIMINALLY) liable for the malicious withholding of exculpatory evidence (etc), AND if defense attorneys, like doctors, were held liable for negligence / malpractice, you'd see an entirely different sort of "justice" system - AND an entirely new cast of characters haunting the courtrooms, as the current crop of prosecutors would scatter like cockroaches.
 
2013-03-23 09:22:20 PM
England hanged an innocent man named Timothy Evans in 1950 for murdering his wife and baby daughter.  It was later found out a man named John Christie killed them and several other women.

Oops.
 
2013-03-23 09:25:59 PM

cman: Except that its not treason.


Fine, we'll hang 'em for "Shysterism" and justify it under the 10th.
 
2013-03-23 09:30:06 PM
Amos Quito:
Yeah, that's the way "successful" DA's look at their "job", but that's why the most "successful" DA's are soulless scumbags.

They don't give a shiat as to whether the person on trial is actually guilty or innocent, the ONLY thing they care about is winning, and if (as is often the case) the defendant is stuck with some slimy, lazy, bottom of the barrel court-appointed schmuck for an attorney, he's farked.

Criminal court is not a chess game or a debate match. Someone's life hangs in the balance.

If prosecutors were held civilly (and where applicable CRIMINALLY) liable for the malicious withholding of exculpatory evidence (etc), AND if defense attorneys, like doctors, were held liable for negligence / malpractice, you'd see an entirely different sort of "justice" system - AND an entirely new cast of characters haunting the courtrooms, as the current crop of prosecutors would scatter like cockroaches.


I've always been of the opinion that the DA and the Public Defender should be the same department, with equal resources. Even better, assign two attorneys to the case, but don't tell them which side they'll be arguing until right before trial, so they can understand both sides and argue it effectively.

Of course, this will never happen. Hell, my state had to pass a constitutional amendment to remove the public defender's office from the Department of Corrections.Think about that...the agency that was responsible for housing prisoners was supposedly in charge of keeping them out. Our former DA governor was vehemently opposed to that, but the citizens didn't fall for it.
 
2013-03-23 09:30:36 PM

doglover: cman: Except that its not treason.

Fine, we'll hang 'em for "Shysterism" and justify it under the 10th.


If we're going for the 10th amendment, we have to allow the states to decide. Lethal injection, firing squad, and eaten by bears are all viable options.
 
2013-03-23 09:33:20 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: doglover: Find the DA who put him away and SKIN THE farkER ALIVE. Then hang the skin up above the entrance to the DA's office doors with a big legend in block letters so they can read it:

ARE YOU SURE?

The job of the DA isn't to determine guilt or innocence.  That's why we have Judges/Juries \.  Their job is to argue their case as best they can.


That's really cute that you think that way.  Except for times that they are shown to suppress evidence, badger, obfuscate and any other dirty trick they can pull to keep their conviction rate at the highest level possible for career advancement. Not saying that happened here.  Not saying they all do it.  I suspect doglover was hinting at the other real-life situations where that has happened in the past.  Go on never questioning authority for yourself though.
 
2013-03-23 09:34:36 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: doglover: cman: Except that its not treason.

Fine, we'll hang 'em for "Shysterism" and justify it under the 10th.

If we're going for the 10th amendment, we have to allow the states to decide. Lethal injection, firing squad, and eaten by bears are all viable options.


Old stone quarry, catapult on top, at least 100' of air onto rocks, and a guy with a hammer at the general landing site just in case.
 
2013-03-23 09:35:38 PM

doglover: It's high treason. People who work for the government and misuse that authority to cause great harm to private citizens for personal gain are basically a fifth column endangering the very fabric of society. It is no different in effectiveness than espionage and arguably far more damaging because right now we have no swift recourse against a dirty DA so they can continue to do dirty deeds for YEARS before they're caught and even then probably will never be punished. Treason is the perfect word for it.


U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.  No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.  The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

The only criminal law in the US Constitution is a very, VERY specific definition of Treason.  Made that way because the charge was thrown around so casually by the British during the Colonial era.

So no, it's not treason, not under US law.  You could call it a lot of things, a lot of very scummy things, but not treason, that word has special meaning under the law in this country.
 
2013-03-23 09:36:57 PM

Hector Remarkable: Radak: It's like rain on his wedding day.

He waited his whole damn life to take that flight, and as the plane crashed down he thought,
"Well, why not use the ironic tag..."


I submitted this with the ironic tag.
 
2013-03-23 09:38:28 PM
The guy was still involved in the robbery as a lookout and helped plan it, so he was part of a crime where someone was killed. Can't say I feel sorry for him.
 
2013-03-23 09:38:52 PM
I'm guessing he discovered internet porn for the first time.
 
2013-03-23 09:39:23 PM

Radak: It's like rain on his wedding day.


Or, a free ride when you've already paid!
 
2013-03-23 09:41:38 PM
From CNN's writeup:   When questioned by detectives, Ranta initially denied any involvement in the killing. Then he acknowledged knowing one of the jail inmates who identified him, according to prosecutors. He admitted he had been near the scene and knowing his friends had planned a holdup. Then he admitted he had been involved in planning the diamond heist, acted as the lookout and had seen the other men with the gun.
 
2013-03-23 09:42:39 PM

Silverstaff: doglover: It's high treason. People who work for the government and misuse that authority to cause great harm to private citizens for personal gain are basically a fifth column endangering the very fabric of society. It is no different in effectiveness than espionage and arguably far more damaging because right now we have no swift recourse against a dirty DA so they can continue to do dirty deeds for YEARS before they're caught and even then probably will never be punished. Treason is the perfect word for it.

U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.  No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.  The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

The only criminal law in the US Constitution is a very, VERY specific definition of Treason.  Made that way because the charge was thrown around so casually by the British during the Colonial era.

So no, it's not treason, not under US law.  You could call it a lot of things, a lot of very scummy things, but not treason, that word has special meaning under the law in this country.


Spending your life putting innocent citizens into jail for personal gain sounds like a war to me.

But we've already established the charge is "shysterism" and the penalty is death, the manner of which varies from state to state. Do try to keep up.
 
2013-03-23 09:46:07 PM

cman: Do you know what's sad?

We took care of his sorry ass for 23 years and now we have to pay for this?

/Window seat, bitte


The ironic part is that if he'd had his heart attack two days earlier his medical care would have been free from the state. Now probably not so much. No word on whether he has insurance or not.
 
2013-03-23 09:46:13 PM

Atomic Spunk: I guess he got busy dying.


Came for this.
 
2013-03-23 09:47:50 PM
ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2013-03-23 10:00:48 PM
Well at least it seems he's okay - being treated. Guess the whole thing was too much for him.
 
2013-03-23 10:00:52 PM
I don't have any sympathy for this guy. It sounds as if he was involved in the robbery to begin with, in which some one was murdered. He may not of pulled the trigger but he should still be held accountable.
 
2013-03-23 10:01:10 PM

buzzcut73: Amos Quito:
Yeah, that's the way "successful" DA's look at their "job", but that's why the most "successful" DA's are soulless scumbags.

They don't give a shiat as to whether the person on trial is actually guilty or innocent, the ONLY thing they care about is winning, and if (as is often the case) the defendant is stuck with some slimy, lazy, bottom of the barrel court-appointed schmuck for an attorney, he's farked.

Criminal court is not a chess game or a debate match. Someone's life hangs in the balance.

If prosecutors were held civilly (and where applicable CRIMINALLY) liable for the malicious withholding of exculpatory evidence (etc), AND if defense attorneys, like doctors, were held liable for negligence / malpractice, you'd see an entirely different sort of "justice" system - AND an entirely new cast of characters haunting the courtrooms, as the current crop of prosecutors would scatter like cockroaches.

I've always been of the opinion that the DA and the Public Defender should be the same department, with equal resources. Even better, assign two attorneys to the case, but don't tell them which side they'll be arguing until right before trial, so they can understand both sides and argue it effectively.



That's brilliant.

Better still, make 'em face the possibility of switching sides at "half-time" - based on a coin toss.

Prosecutor, you are now defending.

Defense attorney, you are now prosecuting.

Imagine the lulz!
 
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