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(WCAX Vermont)   Cool: Entrepreneur begins distillery using his retirement savings. Asinine: NIMBYs with "small, organic berry farm" try to bleed him dry   (wcax.com) divider line 67
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2013-03-23 02:55:04 PM
Screw the whiskey guy. If he doesn't want to deal with environmental regulation there's always Jersey.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-23 03:25:08 PM
Yes, it's pretty asinine of those farmers to not want to be put out of business.
 
2013-03-23 03:32:46 PM
"Emotions are high. You have a titanic lunatic with a budget who's abusing the time of everyone here," said Raj Bhatka, who owns WhistlePig.

Bhatka says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his neighbors on this issue, and his neighbors say they've spent tens of thousands.
 
2013-03-23 03:46:53 PM
Trolltastic, submitter.

The organic berry farm is the one whose owners are using their retirement fund
 
2013-03-23 03:57:49 PM

Chariset: The organic berry farm is the one whose owners are using their retirement fund


READING IS HARD
 
2013-03-23 04:15:48 PM

flucto: Screw the whiskey guy. If he doesn't want to deal with environmental regulation there's always Jersey.


Why IS this even in court?
Isn't this a simple matter of flagging down an inspector and pointing out the guy isn't handling his emissions properly?
 
2013-03-23 04:18:43 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: flucto: Screw the whiskey guy. If he doesn't want to deal with environmental regulation there's always Jersey.

Why IS this even in court?
Isn't this a simple matter of flagging down an inspector and pointing out the guy isn't handling his emissions properly?


They're arguing there is no way he can handle the emissions from a distillery properly so they want the permit denied.  The guy isn't distilling whiskey currently, he is trucking it in from Canada and bottling it.
 
2013-03-23 04:22:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "Emotions are high. You have a titanic lunatic with a budget who's abusing the time of everyone here," said Raj Bhatka, who owns WhistlePig.

Bhatka says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his neighbors on this issue, and his neighbors say they've spent tens of thousands.


After reading TFA, it screams of old crusty farmers pissed that the foreign brown guy moved into town. The main "issue" is a type of mold that both sides admit has no actual harm, just an aesthetic one.
 
2013-03-23 04:59:25 PM

flucto: Screw the whiskey guy. If he doesn't want to deal with environmental regulation there's always Jersey.


vpb: Yes, it's pretty asinine of those farmers to not want to be put out of business.


And we're done. They're not arguing that he be shut down. They're arguing that, if he's going to put in a distillery, that the distillery's emissions be monitored per law. If he can't meet the legal requirements, that's too damned bad. The owner's trying to dodge Vermont's environmental regulations - he's been ignoring the permit process for two years now, and he's being taken to court by a farmer less than a mile away from him to force him to get the friggin' permits.

No one's asking him to shut down, and given that he's been there for a few years, I highly doubt we're seeing an "old crusty farmer pissed that the foreign brown guy moved into town." From an article explaining the situation in more detail:
Reporter Gina Bullard: When it comes to WhistlePig, do they need an act 250 permit?

Geoffrey Green/Agency of Natural Resources District 9 Coordinator: Yes, and we notified them two years ago that they needed one.

But WhistlePig never got one. The company never even applied. And the state just realized it after a recent complaint from a neighbor. George Gross lives three-quarters of a mile away. He's fighting WhistlePig, citing concerns over black mold that can be a byproduct of whiskey production. Gross wouldn't talk on camera, but the state is looking into his complaint.
He's breaking the law, and now trying to claim that people are picking on him for it. Tough. Get the damned permit, get the required equipment, and shut the fark up. It's simple, really... stop breaking the law.
 
2013-03-23 05:13:22 PM
Whiskey vs. hippies?  Regardless of the issue the hippies ought to lose
 
2013-03-23 05:15:18 PM
Get the damned permit, get the required equipment, and shut the fark up. It's simple, really... stop breaking the law AND stop making it seem like you are the one being oppressed for being asked to follow the law.This isn't Nam... there are rules.
 
2013-03-23 05:16:51 PM

FormlessOne: And we're done. They're not arguing that he be shut down. They're arguing that, if he's going to put in a distillery, that the distillery's emissions be monitored per law. If he can't meet the legal requirements, that's too damned bad.


No, they're arguing that he won't meet standards.  It's a given that you have to meet standards on anything you build.  I'd bet money that the organic berry farmers have an illegal dump site on their property.

As for the distiller, I'd go to the neighboring town and tell them that if the town will give him some tax forfeited land he'll put the distillery there instead.  Bet his permitting trouble clears up within a day or two after that.
 
2013-03-23 05:17:16 PM
Or, conversely: Galt-like bootstrapper distiller wannabe versus family farmers.
 
2013-03-23 05:18:01 PM
"Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.
 
2013-03-23 05:22:54 PM
I don't drink alcohol.. I could care less who wins.
 
2013-03-23 05:23:52 PM

houstondragon: BarkingUnicorn: "Emotions are high. You have a titanic lunatic with a budget who's abusing the time of everyone here," said Raj Bhatka, who owns WhistlePig.

Bhatka says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his neighbors on this issue, and his neighbors say they've spent tens of thousands.

After reading TFA, it screams of old crusty farmers pissed that the foreign brown guy moved into town. The main "issue" is a type of mold that both sides admit has no actual harm, just an aesthetic one.


And aesthetics never harm sales, do they?
 
2013-03-23 05:35:29 PM

NASAM: "Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.


Bullshiat.  It's great for mixing in with tea when you're sick or for making sauces.
 
2013-03-23 05:51:22 PM

Smeggy Smurf: NASAM: "Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.

Bullshiat.  It's great for mixing in with tea when you're sick or for making sauces.



Thanks for proving my point.
 
2013-03-23 06:13:28 PM

texanjeff: Get the damned permit, get the required equipment, and shut the fark up. It's simple, really... stop breaking the law AND stop making it seem like you are the one being oppressed for being asked to follow the law.This isn't Nam... there are rules.


This.  Serious just shut up and do what you got to do to make whiskey.
 
2013-03-23 06:18:06 PM

houstondragon: BarkingUnicorn: "Emotions are high. You have a titanic lunatic with a budget who's abusing the time of everyone here," said Raj Bhatka, who owns WhistlePig.

Bhatka says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his neighbors on this issue, and his neighbors say they've spent tens of thousands.

After reading TFA, it screams of old crusty farmers pissed that the foreign brown guy moved into town. The main "issue" is a type of mold that both sides admit has no actual harm, just an aesthetic one.


He's trying to bring Indian business practices to the US - ie: rape the locals for everything possible and bribe your way out of any regulation
 
2013-03-23 06:21:01 PM
Boy, lots of high-flung rhetoric on both sides of this article. Eating walnuts and inviting lookie-loos from New Jersey to observe the poor victims of regulation living in penury? vs. They don't respect their neighbors and are gonna mold our berries! It's an outrage!

These guys need to sit down and burn a fattie together.
 
2013-03-23 06:24:46 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Boy, lots of high-flung rhetoric on both sides of this article. Eating walnuts and inviting lookie-loos from New Jersey to observe the poor victims of regulation living in penury? vs. They don't respect their neighbors and are gonna mold our berries! It's an outrage!

These guys need to sit down and burn a fattie together.


pdhomes.net
 
2013-03-23 06:27:16 PM

Smeggy Smurf: NASAM: "Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.

Bullshiat.  It's great for mixing in with tea when you're sick or for making sauces.


Or when a bullet has to be dug out.
 
2013-03-23 06:28:11 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Whiskey vs. hippies?  Regardless of the issue the hippies ought to lose


OMG, you got it so right on the head!  You should be a CEO.
 
2013-03-23 06:29:18 PM

Lost Thought 00: houstondragon: BarkingUnicorn: "Emotions are high. You have a titanic lunatic with a budget who's abusing the time of everyone here," said Raj Bhatka, who owns WhistlePig.

Bhatka says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his neighbors on this issue, and his neighbors say they've spent tens of thousands.

After reading TFA, it screams of old crusty farmers pissed that the foreign brown guy moved into town. The main "issue" is a type of mold that both sides admit has no actual harm, just an aesthetic one.

He's trying to bring Indian business practices to the US - ie: rape the locals for everything possible and bribe your way out of any regulation


Bhatka was born in Philly and made his "retirement fund" in investment banking.  It's all homegrown rape and bribery.
 
2013-03-23 06:31:56 PM
I side with the distillery because bourbon.
 
2013-03-23 06:36:34 PM

bingo the psych-o: Smeggy Smurf: Whiskey vs. hippies?  Regardless of the issue the hippies ought to lose

OMG, you got it so right on the head!  You should be a CEO.


Funny you should mention that.  I am the CEO of a small online based residential design company.  Once all the plans have been converted to Revit we will be back up and running.
 
2013-03-23 06:38:31 PM

diaphoresis: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Boy, lots of high-flung rhetoric on both sides of this article. Eating walnuts and inviting lookie-loos from New Jersey to observe the poor victims of regulation living in penury? vs. They don't respect their neighbors and are gonna mold our berries! It's an outrage!

These guys need to sit down and burn a fattie together.

[pdhomes.net image 340x260]


Precisely! Man, I used to roll 'em like that in Hawaii. Ah, the good ol' days...
 
2013-03-23 06:41:45 PM

Lost Thought 00: He's trying to bring Indian business practices to the US - ie: rape the locals for everything possible and bribe your way out of any regulation


Sounds American to me.
 
2013-03-23 07:08:49 PM
Another fake-ass, spoiled-child "lolbertarian" story.
Asshole wants to build distillery, not follow rules.
Neighbors want rules followed.
Asshole whines about "nimbys".
We're supposed to hate on "nanny state" regulations that stop greedy pigs from ruining even more shiat than they already have.
Asswipes.
 
2013-03-23 07:21:18 PM
As an alcohol producer, I feel no empathy for a guy that does not hire someone who knows the process to make sure he has all his permits together and ducks in a row.  I hope he loses his life savings in the process.  Paperwork and taxes take up half of my time (and money).  He was just trying to skirt the law.  Also, Vermont sucks.  Stick to maple syrup.
 
2013-03-23 07:28:00 PM
AmbassadorBooze:  Also, Vermont sucks.  Stick to maple syrup.


Yeah, no.

digboston.com
 
2013-03-23 07:36:59 PM
Don't try to get around or ignore environmental laws. Not even if you have enough money to bribe state representatives into making a loophole for you - this was done in Hawaii for the Superferry, which received so much local opposition that it folded anyway. The state supreme court eventually ruled against it and it ended up having to stop all services.

Trying to get around these laws will just make people pissed, and when everyone hates you things generally turn out badly.  Just comply with the laws.
 
2013-03-23 07:43:00 PM

AmbassadorBooze: Also, Vermont sucks. Stick to maple syrup.


Go **** yourself.

media.marketwire.com
 
2013-03-23 08:03:39 PM

Satanic_Hamster: AmbassadorBooze: Also, Vermont sucks. Stick to maple syrup.

Go **** yourself.

[media.marketwire.com image 300x251]


Then die in a fire.
 
2013-03-23 08:44:41 PM
There's nothing i hate more then people abusing the legal system to shut down competition in the free market
 
2013-03-23 09:41:33 PM

Satanic_Hamster: AmbassadorBooze: Also, Vermont sucks. Stick to maple syrup.

Go **** yourself.

[media.marketwire.com image 300x251]


You just provided proof of his statement.
Good job.
 
2013-03-23 09:58:28 PM
The article sounds like he's an assclown who doesn't want to get the permit to set up a distillery. Screw him then.
 
2013-03-23 10:21:25 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The article sounds like he's an assclown who doesn't want to get the permit to set up a distillery. Screw him then.


Sounds like pretty much everyone is being an asshat.
Whistlepig guy is biatching about having to get his permit and comply with laws.
This makes him an asshat.
Also based on the name of his distillery he either is a police informant or plans to use his distillery to dispose of small furry mammals.
Alternatively he could have just chosen a douchebaggy hipster name for his business.
Any of these options makes him an asshat.


Crusty old farmer neighbors don't like the newfangled city fella that moved in down the road changin' things and they are going to court to try to stop him from getting his permit even though he's spending a few hundred grand to try to jump through all the hoops and comply with the laws.
This makes them asshats.

Local authorities are allowing crusty old farmers to make trouble without saying 'bullshiat, your complaint admits that it's not a major issue. If he fails to comply with local regs he will be fined and shut down. complaint denied.'
This makes them asshats.

The reporter did a shiatty job writing a fair and balanced article- the piece is designed to drum up sympathy for the first asshat.
This makes the reporter an asshat.
The reporter also fails to provide adequate citation to easily verify any claims made, which once again makes the reporter an asshat.

And then there's the fact that this all happened in Vermont.

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.


Everyone involved is a 5th degree Yankee. +5 asshattery.

TL;DR: They are all asshats. The only way any of them could be worse is if one of them were a regulation dodging, slant writing, reporter who eats pie for breakfast and leaves insufficient citations.
 
2013-03-23 10:22:17 PM

Lost Thought 00: houstondragon: BarkingUnicorn: "Emotions are high. You have a titanic lunatic with a budget who's abusing the time of everyone here," said Raj Bhatka, who owns WhistlePig.

Bhatka says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his neighbors on this issue, and his neighbors say they've spent tens of thousands.

After reading TFA, it screams of old crusty farmers pissed that the foreign brown guy moved into town. The main "issue" is a type of mold that both sides admit has no actual harm, just an aesthetic one.

He's trying to bring Indian business practices to the US - ie: rape the locals for everything possible and bribe your way out of any regulation


He should find himself welcome in Texas.
 
2013-03-23 10:43:34 PM

veive: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The article sounds like he's an assclown who doesn't want to get the permit to set up a distillery. Screw him then.

Sounds like pretty much everyone is being an asshat.
Whistlepig guy is biatching about having to get his permit and comply with laws.
This makes him an asshat.
Also based on the name of his distillery he either is a police informant or plans to use his distillery to dispose of small furry mammals.
Alternatively he could have just chosen a douchebaggy hipster name for his business.
Any of these options makes him an asshat.


Crusty old farmer neighbors don't like the newfangled city fella that moved in down the road changin' things and they are going to court to try to stop him from getting his permit even though he's spending a few hundred grand to try to jump through all the hoops and comply with the laws.
This makes them asshats.

Local authorities are allowing crusty old farmers to make trouble without saying 'bullshiat, your complaint admits that it's not a major issue. If he fails to comply with local regs he will be fined and shut down. complaint denied.'
This makes them asshats.

The reporter did a shiatty job writing a fair and balanced article- the piece is designed to drum up sympathy for the first asshat.
This makes the reporter an asshat.
The reporter also fails to provide adequate citation to easily verify any claims made, which once again makes the reporter an asshat.

And then there's the fact that this all happened in Vermont.

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.


Everyone involved is a 5th degree Yankee. +5 asshattery.

TL;DR: They are all asshats. The only way any of them could be worse is if one of them were a regulation dodging, slant writing, reporter who eats pie for break ...


Mmmmm.  Pie for breakfast.  "Apple pie without some cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."
 
2013-03-23 11:11:59 PM
Darn it.  Now I want pie.

There really are no winners here.  There's a couple who seem to be trying to shut this down on a technicality (I suspect increased traffic is their real concern) and a holier-than-thou would-be distillery owner who mocks them and calls them insane without addressing any of their grievances.
 
2013-03-23 11:28:35 PM

veive: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The article sounds like he's an assclown who doesn't want to get the permit to set up a distillery. Screw him then.

Sounds like pretty much everyone is being an asshat.
Whistlepig guy is biatching about having to get his permit and comply with laws.
This makes him an asshat.
Also based on the name of his distillery he either is a police informant or plans to use his distillery to dispose of small furry mammals.
Alternatively he could have just chosen a douchebaggy hipster name for his business.
Any of these options makes him an asshat.


Crusty old farmer neighbors don't like the newfangled city fella that moved in down the road changin' things and they are going to court to try to stop him from getting his permit even though he's spending a few hundred grand to try to jump through all the hoops and comply with the laws.
This makes them asshats.

Local authorities are allowing crusty old farmers to make trouble without saying 'bullshiat, your complaint admits that it's not a major issue. If he fails to comply with local regs he will be fined and shut down. complaint denied.'
This makes them asshats.

The reporter did a shiatty job writing a fair and balanced article- the piece is designed to drum up sympathy for the first asshat.
This makes the reporter an asshat.
The reporter also fails to provide adequate citation to easily verify any claims made, which once again makes the reporter an asshat.

And then there's the fact that this all happened in Vermont.

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.


Everyone involved is a 5th degree Yankee. +5 asshattery.

TL;DR: They are all asshats. The only way any of them could be worse is if one of them were a regulation dodging, slant writing, reporter who eats pie for break ...


What I may or may not have ingested some kind of organic cannaboid in my college days and actually eaten pie for breakfast? I'm not admitting to anything, because I have the utmost respect for the law.

I'm just playing hypotheticals since pie for breakfast was mentioned.
 
2013-03-23 11:38:50 PM

Warlordtrooper: There's nothing i hate more then people abusing the legal system to shut down competition in the free market


there is no free market
 
2013-03-24 12:37:30 AM

Smeggy Smurf: NASAM: "Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.

Bullshiat.  It's great for mixing in with tea when you're sick or for making sauces.


My bottle of Whistlepig 111 frowns on your contempt. It is a fantastic rye whiskey. I think I may have to have some now just because.
 
2013-03-24 01:04:55 AM

cybrwzrd: Smeggy Smurf: NASAM: "Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.

Bullshiat.  It's great for mixing in with tea when you're sick or for making sauces.

My bottle of Whistlepig 111 frowns on your contempt. It is a fantastic rye whiskey. I think I may have to have some now just because.


That heretofore he did not distill himself.
 
2013-03-24 01:15:11 AM

zerkalo: cybrwzrd: Smeggy Smurf: NASAM: "Canadian Whiskey".
And there's where you lost me. Canadian Whiskey is garbage.

Bullshiat.  It's great for mixing in with tea when you're sick or for making sauces.

My bottle of Whistlepig 111 frowns on your contempt. It is a fantastic rye whiskey. I think I may have to have some now just because.

That heretofore he did not distill himself.


Same for Templeton Rye from my home state of Iowa. It is not distilled there yet. Regardless, it is still is a fine product.

My bottle of 111 was given to me from a friend who lives in VT. Anyways, good whiskey trumps the need for berries.
 
2013-03-24 01:17:22 AM
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:

What I may or may not have ingested some kind of organic cannaboid in my college days and actually eaten pie for breakfast? I'm not admitting to anything, because I have the utmost respect for the law.

I'm just playing hypotheticals since pie for breakfast was mentioned.


That depends on the context: were you hypothetically in Vermont at the hypothetical time of the hypothetical piefest?

If so, +6 asshattery, and as a special lifetime offer for reaching maximum level yankeeism +6 douchebaggery as well.

However if you were  hypothetically outside of Vermont at the hypothetical time of the hypothetical piefest no such penalties occur since you are ineligible for the 5th rank and thus cannot qualify for the 6th.
 
2013-03-24 01:19:27 AM

FreetardoRivera: there is no free market


Only Zuul!
 
2013-03-24 01:50:35 AM
As an Oregonian, I hope most vineyard owners in the Willamette Valley see all of their crops die for decades.

These arrogant f*cks are trying to destroy a long-standing agricultural industry.
 
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