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(The Atlantic)   Don't get too overconfident Libbys. Here are a few things you need to change to keep your lead over the Cons. Take it or lose it, your choice   (theatlantic.com) divider line 207
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2013-03-23 01:28:41 PM  
I don't think "intellectual firepower" is the precisely correct characterization for the Heritage Foundation nor American Enterprise Institute. However, the author works for another (liberal) "think tank" himself, so it's an understandable confusion.

Still, there's several very sensible points in there... which Democrats may listen to, and are unlikely to kvetch about much. Which seems a major difference between the parties, at this point.
 
2013-03-23 01:32:18 PM  
www.seeklogo.com
 
2013-03-23 01:57:40 PM  
Politics are cyclical.

There are never any permanent issues. People evolve and sides get mixed. Democratic party might be in a good position right now, but things are always subject to change.
 
2013-03-23 02:53:53 PM  
subby sounds concerned.
 
2013-03-23 02:58:04 PM  
Interesting that according to NYT 0bama has lost his huge lead in who the public trusts to handle the economy.

Used to be 54:36, now it is 44:40

0bama lost big, GOP picked up points.

Now that people realize that the world didn't end with the sequester cuts reduction in the growth of spending they see that 0bama was totally wrong.
 
2013-03-23 02:59:55 PM  
I haven't seen a Libby so overconfident since Ms. Hoeler pressed "send".
 
2013-03-23 03:16:52 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama . . .  0bama . . . 0bama


Every time I start to question the wisdom of your posts, you go and use the "0" instead of the "O", and totally redeem yourself!

High five, man!

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2013-03-23 03:19:21 PM  

abb3w: I don't think "intellectual firepower" is the precisely correct characterization for the Heritage Foundation nor American Enterprise Institute. However, the author works for another (liberal) "think tank" himself, so it's an understandable confusion.

Still, there's several very sensible points in there... which Democrats may listen to, and are unlikely to kvetch about much. Which seems a major difference between the parties, at this point.


"Statistical firepower" would be more like it.  Doesn't take any intellect, just the ability to run Excel until it shows what you want.

"Democrats need to expand their coalition, particularly among faith voters and lower-income whites."

This is plentiful and low-hanging fruit.  It shouldn't be difficult to quote the Bible, particularly the New Testament.
 
2013-03-23 03:22:27 PM  
It is absolutely frightening that 40 percent of the polled people would hand the economy back to the republicans. Some people just want the country to burn.
 
2013-03-23 03:50:01 PM  

Godscrack: [www.seeklogo.com image 200x200]


On the label, label, label.
 
2013-03-23 03:52:03 PM  
"National Democrats' massive digital and organizing edge will be wasted if they are not shared with and adopted by candidates running for state legislatures."

Truer words have not been spoken.  The Dems trounced the GOP in aggregate votes for the House, yet still lost the majority for this very reason.  Not to mention, this is precisely how the GOP plans to reapportion electoral votes for 2016 and beyond.  Look for a Republican president with a popular vote minority near you soon.
 
2013-03-23 03:57:49 PM  
Hispanic/Latino is not the voting block you think it is.

When will los Estadounidenses que no hablan español understand this?
 
2013-03-23 04:07:38 PM  
Ever wonder why Republicans seem to beat Democrats off the blocks in defining the terms of so many public debates on issues from spending to healthcare?

No.  Lots of Americans are stupid and easily frightened.  How the f*ck else do you explain Bachmann, King, King, Broun, Gohmert, Inhofe, Cruz, etc, etc ad nauseum?

Pretty good points, though, for the most part.
 
2013-03-23 04:22:30 PM  
John Kerry supporters stand in the figurative and metaphorical rain on Election Night 2004. (Reuters)

That rain looks pretty literal as well
 
2013-03-23 04:34:53 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "Statistical firepower" would be more like it. Doesn't take any intellect, just the ability to run Excel until it shows what you want.


That's closer, yes. I'm thinking more "intellectual drums" -- loud, and thus widely heard, but hollow; making prescriptive predictions that are simple, obvious, and wrong. The glint of fool's gold, rather than the quiet ring of truth.

BarkingUnicorn: This is plentiful and low-hanging fruit. It shouldn't be difficult to quote the Bible, particularly the New Testament.


Some of the crowd, yes. The difficulty is the mirror image of the GOP's problem -- doing so without turning off the religiously unaffiliated part of the Democratic coalition. Perhaps worse, because the unaffiliated are a rising demographic.
 
2013-03-23 04:52:20 PM  
And did you know that the DNC doesn't even provide childcare for convention delegates? Democrats shouldn't force parents to choose between their children and their party.

 The author really seems to be selling the party/government should take care of all your problems doesn't he?  I think if you can drop everything in your life for 4 days to fly across the country to attend a pep rally maybe you should be able to figure out how to take care of your own kids for those 4 days.
 
2013-03-23 04:54:28 PM  
Skips half TFA. Starts reading.
 
2013-03-23 04:55:33 PM  

doyner: Look for a Republican president with a popular vote minority near you soon.


you mean again ...
 
2013-03-23 04:57:56 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: This is plentiful and low-hanging fruit. It shouldn't be difficult to quote the Bible, particularly the New Testament.


The New Testament is for pinkos and lamers.  No True Christian uses it.
 
2013-03-23 04:58:55 PM  

abb3w: BarkingUnicorn: "Statistical firepower" would be more like it. Doesn't take any intellect, just the ability to run Excel until it shows what you want.

That's closer, yes. I'm thinking more "intellectual drums" -- loud, and thus widely heard, but hollow; making prescriptive predictions that are simple, obvious, and wrong. The glint of fool's gold, rather than the quiet ring of truth.

BarkingUnicorn: This is plentiful and low-hanging fruit. It shouldn't be difficult to quote the Bible, particularly the New Testament.

Some of the crowd, yes. The difficulty is the mirror image of the GOP's problem -- doing so without turning off the religiously unaffiliated part of the Democratic coalition. Perhaps worse, because the unaffiliated are a rising demographic.


Don't kid yourself. This is one of the situations where you can pick off 5% of Republican voters by changing your messaging slightly, and we're really only taking about candidates in the Midwest and plains. Even IF a national candidate for the Dems was a smidge more religious the unaffiliated aren't jumping ship. Stats show that those voters that aren't religious consider religious affliation after they've decided based on other positions. People who make their choices based on religion first are the ones you go after.
 
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2013-03-23 04:58:57 PM  
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"You didn't say the penis goes *there*."
 
2013-03-23 05:01:06 PM  
I suggest encouraging libertarians. They're loud enough to Nader GOP candidates in upcoming elections but have no real shot at any real power.
 
2013-03-23 05:02:31 PM  
If you have a problem and the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, and Cato Institute are the solution, then I say keep the problem.

It'd be like buying arthritis medication from a TV commercial and ignoring the warnings about anal leakage.
 
2013-03-23 05:03:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Now that people realize that the world didn't end with the sequester cuts reduction in the growth of spending they see that 0bama was totally wrong.


They're still arranging the deck chairs.  We'll see what happens when they can't anymore, when stuff like this might happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/faa-will-clo se -149-airport-towers-on-heels-of-sequester/2013/03/22/e3973ecc-9302-11e 2-a31e-14700e2724e4_story.html
 
2013-03-23 05:07:08 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: BarkingUnicorn: This is plentiful and low-hanging fruit. It shouldn't be difficult to quote the Bible, particularly the New Testament.

The New Testament is for pinkos and lamers.  No True Christian uses it.


You are wrong there,
they use John 3:16 to prove only Christians are of any concern to God, well accept something about Jews and Israel.  They also use Revelation to prove that they don't need to worry about the enviroment as the world is going to burn up soon enough anyways.
 
2013-03-23 05:07:52 PM  
I'm excited to see how the political realignment that follows the collapse of the current GOP shakes out.

But not overly hopeful. I don't see any way that the factions could fit together where a party would be both good and electable.
 
2013-03-23 05:10:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Ever wonder why Republicans seem to beat Democrats off the blocks in defining the terms of so many public debates on issues from spending to healthcare?

No.  Lots of Americans are stupid and easily frightened.  How the f*ck else do you explain Bachmann, King, King, Broun, Gohmert, Inhofe, Cruz, etc, etc ad nauseum?

Pretty good points, though, for the most part.


Phrasing!
 
2013-03-23 05:11:56 PM  
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Platform of the libertarian party.
http://www.lp.org/platform
Notice that anyone who aligns themselves with Republicans is not a libertarian. That include Ron Paul and Rand Paul and all the grifters.
No one shall make a law or rule that forbids ownership of ones own body, along with the contents there of.
 
2013-03-23 05:12:51 PM  
I always like when an author claims to know what liberals/progressives should do, then promptly exposes the fact that they don't even know what liberal/progressive means by pretending it's the same as being a Democrat.
 
2013-03-23 05:13:19 PM  
www.wallsave.com

Libby?
 
2013-03-23 05:13:55 PM  

abb3w: BarkingUnicorn: This is plentiful and low-hanging fruit. It shouldn't be difficult to quote the Bible, particularly the New Testament.

Some of the crowd, yes. The difficulty is the mirror image of the GOP's problem -- doing so without turning off the religiously unaffiliated part of the Democratic coalition. Perhaps worse, because the unaffiliated are a rising demographic.


I think it's less of a problem for Dems than for Reps.  Dems tend to understand that different language  can be directed at different groups to convey the same message.  Reps are hung up on "a foolish consistency."  Most of the religiously and politically unaffiliated are more tolerant and diversity-embracing than either party.
 
2013-03-23 05:14:34 PM  
"Democrats need to expand their coalition, particularly among faith voters and lower-income whites."

Article's main point that now is not the time for progressives to just kick back and watch the right implode while munching fistfuls of yummy popcorn is well taken. Obviously one should spend a little time enjoying the schadenfreudy goodness here but then it's time to start thinking of better integrating the traditional Dem base's concerns into policy while making inroads into the saner portions of GOP base with winning economical and moral arguments/policies thus leaving the wingnutty bible belters who can never be swayed by rational argument on the wrong side of history, morality and common sense.

/The "moar money for progressive think tanks like the one I'm a senior fellow at" argument resonates as well but not as much.
 
2013-03-23 05:16:29 PM  
Rapeublicans, Emocrats, who cares?  Your time is coming to and end.  Your policies of hate and division are sowing the seeds of revolution.  From the ashes of 80+million of your dead fascists bodies the new nation will arise.  A nation of true liberty and freedoms.  We shall call it...  Farkia
 
2013-03-23 05:17:06 PM  
Why am I not surprised that the advise to liberals seeking to make the Democratic party into an actual liberal, if not outright leftist, party, is to become 1960s Republicans sans the racism, homophobia, and misogyny? Is that really the best we can hope for as leftists, to have a party which is a charismatic leader away from "One People, One Homeland, One President" as its campaign slogan, and another party which is center-right trolling us by saying "whatcha gonna do bout it, vote Green and get Herr Bush again?"?

I'd start learning the Canadian national anthem now, but I'm an AZ native and Canuckistan is COLD, and my Spanish isn't good enough to live on the other side of the border... plus I'm not quite ready to cede my homeland to the Republic of Caucasian Jesus.
 
2013-03-23 05:19:03 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Rapeublicans, Emocrats, who cares?  Your time is coming to and end.  Your policies of hate and division are sowing the seeds of revolution.  From the ashes of 80+million of your dead fascists bodies the new nation will arise.  A nation of true liberty and freedoms.  We shall call it...  Farkia


The only thing more hilarious than having faith in our current elected officials is having faith that the General Public can properly govern itself in any short-term future.
 
2013-03-23 05:20:38 PM  

Emposter: I always like when an author claims to know what liberals/progressives should do, then promptly exposes the fact that they don't even know what liberal/progressive means by pretending it's the same as being a Democrat.


And we're done. Author's a chucklehead, subby should feel shame for even submitting the "article", and life goes on.
 
2013-03-23 05:21:18 PM  
"Since you guys are beating us, here's what you SHOULD do to keep beating us! No really, we're trying to help!"
 
2013-03-23 05:21:24 PM  
I notice that none of these "fixes" seem to have anything to do with real solutions to real problems.
 
2013-03-23 05:21:32 PM  

Wadded Beef: I suggest encouraging libertarians. They're loud enough to Nader GOP candidates in upcoming elections but have no real shot at any real power.


This and fund a new Moral Majority party. Split the base of the bastards and let them bicker themselves away into oblivion.
 
2013-03-23 05:25:43 PM  

MacWizard: I notice that none of these "fixes" seem to have anything to do with real solutions to real problems.


Yeah it's mostly just about "taking seriously" that they've got an advantage now, and not pissing off existing supporters.

Well, sure. Okay.
 
2013-03-23 05:26:50 PM  

LasersHurt: Smeggy Smurf: Rapeublicans, Emocrats, who cares?  Your time is coming to and end.  Your policies of hate and division are sowing the seeds of revolution.  From the ashes of 80+million of your dead fascists bodies the new nation will arise.  A nation of true liberty and freedoms.  We shall call it...  Farkia

The only thing more hilarious than having faith in our current elected officials is having faith that the General Public can properly govern itself in any short-term future.


You mean you wouldnt' trust Drew and the modmins to run the country?  How about we nominate PocketNinja and Spentmiles to do it?  For the lulz of course
 
2013-03-23 05:27:02 PM  
1) Get this gun-control crap over and done with ASAP, it ain't helping.
2) On the local level, get people's goats up over gerrymandering, and pour some money into electable state-level candidates who'll work against it, while being for/against whatever other things fly/don't fly in that state. This is the only way to take back the House before, say, 2025.
3) On the national level, don't back down on civil rights issues, gay marriage, abortion rights. You don't want folks splintering off, and trends indicate these positions are less and less a liability as the old guard social-issue voters are replaced by generations x, y, z, alpha, beta, etc.
4) Hammer on incoming disparity without sounding like socialists. It's a fine line, but if you can convince people that large-scale corporate interests are in fact squelching the American dream of the hard-working little guy bettering himself and his offspring, you'll siphon off about 2/3 of Republican support.
5) Quietly implement Obamacare and watch people become dependent on it.
6) Please find someone other than Hillary to run in 2016!
 
2013-03-23 05:27:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: LasersHurt: Smeggy Smurf: Rapeublicans, Emocrats, who cares?  Your time is coming to and end.  Your policies of hate and division are sowing the seeds of revolution.  From the ashes of 80+million of your dead fascists bodies the new nation will arise.  A nation of true liberty and freedoms.  We shall call it...  Farkia

The only thing more hilarious than having faith in our current elected officials is having faith that the General Public can properly govern itself in any short-term future.

You mean you wouldnt' trust Drew and the modmins to run the country?  How about we nominate PocketNinja and Spentmiles to do it?  For the lulz of course


At least it would be a hilarious dystopia.
 
2013-03-23 05:28:12 PM  

simplicimus: It is absolutely frightening that 40 percent of the polled people would hand the economy back to the republicans. Some people just want the country to burn.


The areas of the country that are burning economically aren't Republican dominated ones.
 
2013-03-23 05:30:55 PM  
What the Democrats have to do is take control over more state legislatures and state houses so they can gerrymander Republicans out of Congress after the 2020 census.  That's the only way the Republicans have manged to hold on.
 
2013-03-23 05:31:13 PM  

spongeboob: And did you know that the DNC doesn't even provide childcare for convention delegates? Democrats shouldn't force parents to choose between their children and their party.

 The author really seems to be selling the party/government should take care of all your problems doesn't he?  I think if you can drop everything in your life for 4 days to fly across the country to attend a pep rally maybe you should be able to figure out how to take care of your own kids for those 4 days.


Yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I thought it was funny that the reader was supposed to be outraged that the Democratic Convention doesn't "provide childcare".
 
2013-03-23 05:32:14 PM  

simplicimus: It is absolutely frightening that 40 percent of the polled people would hand the economy back to the republicans. Some people just want the country to burn.


I this case maybe they're thinking it's more like hot potato with a pathetic economy.
 
2013-03-23 05:32:34 PM  

Mrbogey: simplicimus: It is absolutely frightening that 40 percent of the polled people would hand the economy back to the republicans. Some people just want the country to burn.

The areas of the country that are burning economically aren't Republican dominated ones.


Southern Idaho ring a bell?  We're not doing too bad at all.  There ain't a commie pinko to be seen outside of the north end of Boise
 
2013-03-23 05:32:40 PM  

Wadded Beef: I suggest encouraging libertarians. They're loud enough to Nader GOP candidates in upcoming elections but have no real shot at any real power.


libertarians, teahadists, pro-rape, ...
The list goes on and on.
You dont even need to false flag these races. Just point out that the "rational" candidate is soft on abortion or big government or or or
 
2013-03-23 05:34:03 PM  

Emposter: I always like when an author claims to know what liberals/progressives should do, then promptly exposes the fact that they don't even know what liberal/progressive means by pretending it's the same as being a Democrat.


Because many if not most liberals/progressives/Democrats all use the terms interchangeably depending upon the audience. Most "liberals" aren't liberals.
 
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